Having an aesthetic racial preference

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I still fail to see how any of that explains why I don't find the features of Asian men or dark black skin attractive.

I can recognise that people with dark black skin can be attractive feature-wise, but the tone of their skin has always seemed unattractive to me. I've always assumed I'm most attracted to those who are closest to the skin colour I am out of some sort of biological reason.

I don't believe my sexual preferences have been shaped by the media like that. Attraction and beauty transcends that sort of influence. There's just something very basic within me that has no attraction to certain skin colours/facial features...
 
For whatever this is worth, I can't count the number of times Chinese women (in China) have said "wow, your skin is so white! I love it!" to me. Never bothered me one bit. I am who I am. If they like it, then I don't really feel there's a problem.

I've heard too many things that sound like they're out of some cheesy film full of stereotypes and male fantasy fulfillment. "Wow, foreign guys are so handsome!" "Wow, you're so tall!" etc.

Whatever. It is what it is. I think there might be a lot of fucked up cultural/historical things at play sometimes, but you can't make assumptions or really blame the individual all the time.
 
I still fail to see how any of that explains why I don't find the features of Asian men or dark black skin attractive.

I can recognise that people with dark black skin are attractive, but the tone of their skin has always seemed unattractive to me. I've always assumed I'm most attracted to those who are closest to the skin colour I am out of some sort of biological reason.

I don't believe my sexual preferences have been shaped by the media like that. Attraction and beauty transcends that sort of influence. There's just something very basic within me that has no attraction to certain skin colours/facial features...

I assume that you're referring to dark skin Asian men as well, then? Since this is all about dark skin tone?
 
I don't think that's a good comparison as homosexuality is genetic whereas I imagine a racial preference is not.
Why do you imagine that? I've heard plenty of genetic (or rather instinctual) reasons for attraction, odd things like an ability to discern if someone has a complementary immune system to your own, all sorts of bizarre shit. I would also doubt if being gay is really genetic, given homosexuality being ripe in certain civilizations historically, I seriously doubt the Greeks were just statistically more frequently genetically gay, they just existed within a culture where sexuality was more fluid.

I really don't know why I find some people attractive and not others, for example, generally in the GoT threads, it appears most people seem to find Natalie Dormer very attractive, but I don't at all, I can't pinpoint any aspect of her appearance which is displeasing or anything, she's just not attractive to me. I would even isolate that from being aesthetically beautiful actually, there are people I think are very good looking, but not attractive for whatever reason, there are even people I think aren't good looking but I think are attractive.
 
See IMO the reason why people find X attractive is because of sexual imprinting on them in their youth, and it's a fool's errand to decode it.

That imprinting might be guided by fair or unfair cultural circumstances... but once you like what you like, I don't think there's any avoiding it. You can't put affirmative action on who you find attractive.

Lol, this was kind of nicely straight forward. If what you had to be attracted to was equal opportunity, I would be completely stumped.

I think cultural differences is something that is far more powerful in attractiveness. I find myself attracted to cultures where women "allow men to be men, and handle their man responsibilities". Culturally, if women are encouraged to think that men are just "optional to have around", I steered clear of that cause I just don't find that attractive at all. Guess I just am old fashioned, but I don't think it would ever go out of style.
 
I wouldn't say I have a racial preference, but the women I find to be the most attractive tend to be brunettes. I've never really understood what it is about blondes people find so attractive.
 
I assume that you're referring to dark skin Asian men as well, then? Since this is all about dark skin tone?

With Asian men it's more about facial features for me. The eyes and the jaw structure. Though I lean a LOT more to women than men these days and I find the distinct Asian features on women very sexy so I don't know if that's more the gay in me speaking.

Skin colour is usually the biggest hurdle for me finding someone attractive though, yeah.
 
I'm speaking about encounters here in Canada, I'm not sure it matters where though.

My point is that it's perfectly okay to be loved because of what you are. In fact, you should be loved specifically because of your features: tall, short, funny, cool, blonde, dark-haired, funny, smart..... Whatever they are.

But ethnicity and culture is the biggest bundle of features at all, and it's ok/normal/healthy/expected to be judged and loved by such features!

Taking your point, the Korean girlfriend who you love for looking Korean shouldn't feel any more weirded out than a blonde girlfriend who you love for being blonde. People like traits. Not weird at all.

I agree and disagree.

I think features like being blonde, or being Asian or whatever are what get you through the door, so to speak. The initial attraction that leads to your approach or your attempts to get romantic should be more susceptible to these traits because they appeal to your primitive instincts and sexual drive.

But when you're talking about a relationship, it's much more evolved than aesthetic preferences. Simply having a trait like beautiful eyes can't sustain you over the long term. I would be disappointed if my girlfriend of 4 years cited my looks as a reason we're still together. Her looks made her attractive to me and I was attractive to her, but we're now involved at a level much deeper than looks can take you.
 
I still fail to see how any of that explains why I don't find the features of Asian men or dark black skin attractive.

I can recognise that people with dark black skin are attractive, but the tone of their skin has always seemed unattractive to me. I've always assumed I'm most attracted to those who are closest to the skin colour I am out of some sort of biological reason.

I don't believe my sexual preferences have been shaped by the media like that. Attraction and beauty transcends that sort of influence. There's just something very basic within me that has no attraction to certain skin colours...

Think what you will but your aren't programmed genetically to prefer one race of people over the other. Societal conditioning plays a huge role in that. It's possible that you were conditioned to favor a set of features without realizing it, which is how conditioning works.
 
I wouldn't say I have a racial preference, but the women I find to be the most attractive tend to be brunettes. I've never really understood what it is about blondes people find so attractive.

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I think you can't call this racism as it could be applied to any difference in appearance. Is the difference between a white person and a black person greater than the difference between a dark haired Italian and a ginger Irish even though they are both "white"?
 
Think what you will but your aren't programmed genetically to prefer one race of people over the other. Societal conditioning plays a huge role in that. It's possible that you conditioned to favor a set of features without realizing it.

Maybe, but I'd like to think I wasn't ;) It'd be interesting to really look in to it one day I guess.

At least it's only sexual attraction where I consider skin colour I suppose!
 
having a racial or ethnic preference is fine, people who categorically dismiss whole races or ethnic groups are generally suspect to me. Some of the people doing this have some innocuous reason I'm sure,you like what you like, but Ive encountered far too many that have some kind latent prejudice about the group(s) they wholly dismiss or reject.
 
With Asian men it's more about facial features for me. The eyes and the jaw structure. Though I lean a LOT more to women than men these days and I find the distinct Asian features on women very sexy so I don't know if that's more the gay in me speaking.

Skin colour is usually the biggest hurdle for me finding someone attractive though, yeah.

But don't you find it just a little bit funny--just the slightest bit peculiar--that in your last post went into a semi-long explanation about how you don't like dark-skinned black men and that you feel there might be a "biological" reason for your dislike of dark skin tones...but in the same post you a listed Asian men as not attractive, a lot of whom have very pale skin...but coincidentally aren't often depicted in western media as attractive, leading men?

You don't think society has a thing to do with what it is you find attractive?
 
Maybe, but I'd like to think I wasn't ;) It'd be interesting to really look in to it one day I guess.

At least it's only sexual attraction where I consider skin colour I suppose!

We're opposites. I find Asian girls with dark olive-toned skin to be the most attractive. White skin is a turn-off for me.
 
"If only the media hadn't brainwashed me I would find everyone sexy, regardless of race, weight, etc"

I don't buy it.
You don't need to buy into it for it to be a thing. I'm surprised that people honestly think they are genetically programmed to prefer "races" over one another.
 
Everybody has preferences.

Those preferences usually go out of the window the moment you meet someone you actually like though.

I have seen people drop the person they actually liked for the person they thought (or were told) they would like, only to end up terribly disappointed and unhappy.
 
But don't you find it just a little bit funny--just the slightest bit peculiar--that in your last post went into a semi-long explanation about how you don't like dark-skinned black men and that you feel there might be a "biological" reason for it...but in the same post you listed Asian men, a lot of whom have very pale skin...but coincidentally aren't often depicted in western media as attractive, leading men?

You don't think society has a thing to do with what it is you find attractive?

I'm not sure. Lots of Asian men have very distinct features that are unlike most other races. I feel like that might be more important to me for some reason than the pale skin. But yeah, I guess you're right, if it was biological I suppose that might not be such an issue?

I'm certainly not claiming I understand my desires at all. God knows I tried a lot in my teenage years to understand why I was starting to look at girls more than guys!

Interesting thread.
 
Why do you imagine that? I've heard plenty of genetic (or rather instinctual) reasons for attraction, odd things like an ability to discern if someone has a complementary immune system to your own, all sorts of bizarre shit. I would also doubt if being gay is really genetic, given homosexuality being ripe in certain civilizations historically, I seriously doubt the Greeks were just statistically more frequently genetically gay, they just existed within a culture where sexuality was more fluid.

I really don't know why I find some people attractive and not others, for example, generally in the GoT threads, it appears most people seem to find Natalie Dormer very attractive, but I don't at all, I can't pinpoint any aspect of her appearance which is displeasing or anything, she's just not attractive to me. I would even isolate that from being aesthetically beautiful actually, there are people I think are very good looking, but not attractive for whatever reason, there are even people I think aren't good looking but I think are attractive.

There seems to be some biological predisposition for sexuality: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

But that doesn't mean that society also can't have an impact, such as your Greek example.

I've yet to read anything suggesting a biological predisposition for finding certain races attractive.
 
My sisters and I were actually just on this subject last night. I generally don't find blondes or lighter-skinned men attractive, but I am also much more attracted to intellect and wit than I am to aesthetics. My "type" would likely be black, Latino, or a mix of the aforementioned with almost any other race. I don't know why, but black scientists are like crack to me. My younger sister, loves her Nords and anything blonde. Go figure
 
This thread is just funny.

Sometimes I wonder how Asian women must feel when they are constantly talked about as a prized possession more than a living breathing hard working trying to make her money Women.

Calling them "Asian", to me, using their race to address them or describe them feels to me that it completely dismisses them as humans because of looks. That can be said about other women of different ethnicity that are described by their race. This isn't even a feature thing but purely narrow-minded which ultimately becomes racist. Forget about the fact that all people act the same, personalities as well, they look different so that automatically creates a "preference".

I understand that you can be attracted to features such as eyes, hair, body language. All those things, but to dismiss them on other women because of race? It's ridiculous. Also the stereotyping is just as pathetic. Saying things like Asians have no ass, no breast, or the opposite as they are more loyal and cleaner or some other degrading thing.

I'm not opposed to any man. He could be of any ethnicity, nationality, etc but I think what's more important to me is he treats me right and we are both on the same level that I can vibe with. If I only had one preference for any guy it would be that he can hit it right. That's it.
 
Lol, this was kind of nicely straight forward. If what you had to be attracted to was equal opportunity, I would be completely stumped.

I think cultural differences is something that is far more powerful in attractiveness. I find myself attracted to cultures where women "allow men to be men, and handle their man responsibilities". Culturally, if women are encouraged to think that men are just "optional to have around", I steered clear of that cause I just don't find that attractive at all. Guess I just am old fashioned, but I don't think it would ever go out of style.

Making some assumptions of my own, but I think that borders on an unhealthy attitude. I don't know. Forced gender roles can be pretty harmful.

You don't need to worry about being vitally important to women as a man. That's what love is for.
 
I don't think he's saying he's not attracted to other races, but if he had to blindly choose a girl from a brothel based on race alone, he'd go with Asian.


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No, but he has a clear preference. And that's fine. So have i. Nothing i can do about it. My preference is with pale white women. Not a choice, but something that just grew on me over the years.

Funny enough asian girls (in general, but there are exceptions) don't do much for me... Not sure why.

Don't worry OP.
 
This thread is just funny.

Sometimes I wonder how Asian women must feel when they are constantly talked about as a prized possession more than a living breathing hard working trying to make her money Women.
Are you under the impression the people saying those things wouldn't also class an Asian man as 'Asian'? Does Wikipedia having an Asian people page offend you?

Ironically I don't like the term Caucasian, but that's probably just because I only ever hear it on TV or films when police are identifying a perpetrator, so I associate it with criminality.
 
I am almost exclusively attracted to caucasian people. (For what it's worth, I am ethnically half-Dutch, half-Welsh, and grew up in Australia.)

For instance, when porning, I will skip past non-caucasians. It just doesn't do anything for me. However, in social situations I can still develop feelings of attraction (based more so on personality), but it takes me much longer to warm up to them. Having said that, my last boyfriend was half Sri Lankan, half white, and that was attraction at first sight.

I dunno. Am I racist?

I'm Australian, so probably.
 
A lot of these "it's just my preference, there's nothing I can do about it!" responses remind me of a really good article Mumei (credit!) linked me to on racial privilege and how it relates to attraction, particularly within the gay community. Loving titled: Dear 'Anonymous': You're Racist

The entire article is a great read, but here's the bit I find to be especially relevant to this thread:

When reading your post, I couldn't help but think of Leon M. Bazile, the trial judge in Loving v. Virginia, who said:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such [interracial] marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."

This rationale was used to de-legitimize an interracial marriage half a century ago. And to be fair, you didn't say this. But here's what's similar: since you had no rational way of explaining your preference, you appealed to nature, to chemistry, to unknown bugaboos that take over when it hurts our heads too much to reexamine the assumptions of our lives - in order to absolve you from responsibility, and to distance yourself from the role you play in the oppression of others.

After all, in the words of poet Andrea Gibson, privilege is not having to think about it.

Anonymous, if you really want to absolve yourself, stop defending systems that help you and hurt others. Research them. Expose them. Then, fight against them.

It's only by trying to change the system that you will truly come to understand it. If you take nothing else away from this post, understand that when bigcockjohnny89 responds to you instantly on Grindr, it is because he's accustomed to associating beauty with whiteness - because our dominant culture is white. It takes more effort for your black friend to get attention because we aren't used to seeing blackness as equally beautiful.

This dynamic doesn't make you racist. Defending it and allowing yourself to benefit from this system of romantic advantage without challenging it makes you a racist.
 
A lot of these "it's just my preference, there's nothing I can do about it!" responses remind me of a really good article Mumei (credit!) linked me to on racial privilege and how it relates to attraction, particularly within the gay community. Loving titled: Dear 'Anonymous': You're Racist

The entire article is a great read, but here's the bit I find to be especially relevant to this thread:
A confusing stance, didn't all people come from Africa? Obviously the 'Almighty God' didn't do shit, but we come from the same stock historically.

Even if you take the religious stance, humanity was still derived from two people.
 
A lot of these "it's just my preference, there's nothing I can do about it!" responses remind me of a really good article Mumei (credit!) linked me to on racial privilege and how it relates to attraction, particularly within the gay community. Loving titled: Dear 'Anonymous': You're Racist

The entire article is a great read, but here's the bit I find to be especially relevant to this thread:

It's not relevant, it's a straw man. It's projection, and assumption, and it's placing blame on individuals for natural tendencies that exist in society.
 
So, in other words, you didn't read it?

I read the bit that you pasted into the quote box. If there is more to it than that which you find important, you should paste that as well. Expecting people to read entire articles you've cherry-picked to support your argument is asking a lot.
 
A lot of these "it's just my preference, there's nothing I can do about it!" responses remind me of a really good article Mumei (credit!) linked me to on racial privilege and how it relates to attraction, particularly within the gay community. Loving titled: Dear 'Anonymous': You're Racist

The entire article is a great read, but here's the bit I find to be especially relevant to this thread:

This is dumb as all hell. This assumption that one can't prefer a skin tone or physical features of a race without being a racist is just grasping for straws.

I read the bit that you pasted into the quote box. If there is more to it than that which you find important, you should paste that as well. Expecting people to read entire articles you've cherry-picked to support your argument is asking a lot.

This.
 
Making some assumptions of my own, but I think that borders on an unhealthy attitude. I don't know. Forced gender roles can be pretty harmful.

You don't need to worry about being vitally important to women as a man. That's what love is for.

Yeah, you're making some assumptions. In a general sense, if a women doesn't encourage or allow me to express masculinity, that doesn't attract me to them. Its a big turn off.

I don't find this in even the least bit unhealthy. It makes me feel good and useful.
 
Are you under the impression the people saying those things wouldn't also class an Asian man as 'Asian'? Does Wikipedia having an Asian people page offend you?

Ironically I don't like the term Caucasian, but that's probably just because I only ever hear it on TV or films when police are identifying a perpetrator, so I associate it with criminality.

It goes both ways for men as well but since this thread is about women, I was only talking about that. I'm not saying that biological people don't have a race, but I hate when it's used as a term to completely isolate people due to attraction. Let me not get started on the other terms Asians are called that are ridiculous due to fetishes. The minute someone says "I like race A over race B because of etc" it just sounds degrading. It become about race moreso than the type of person they are and that being the reason why they like them. I've been raised to see the ugliest person is the one who treats other like crap disregarding beauty.
 
Hmm, so in other words what rouses ones fancy?

I can't really see it in skin color/race but I guess it's like what you're after. Sometimes you just want a petite cutie other nights that beefy linebacker might need to be shown a thing or two, if he is up for it that is, perhaps that powercouple needs a helping hand or you just pay two beautiful people to have sex, gigolo and a madame, while you watch.

But always about ethnicity? Sigh, that sounds so boring.

And before you ask, I'm comfortable with myself.
 
Racial preferences are normal (often because of familiarity), but unfortunate. I hope you guys find something else that clicks. Liking things is nice.

I love white women, but gravitate towards certain features (dark hair, long lashes). Similarly, I freaking love long lashes and beautiful eyes on indian women, or afro-textured hair on african women. I still remember when an african woman came on the bus while I was heading somewhere sushi. Short afro, slim build, cute dress and aviator shades. She was gorgeous.
 
This is dumb as all hell. This assumption that one can't prefer a skin tone or physical features of a race without being a racist is just grasping for straws.
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That's not the point at all. It's the refusal to acknowledge the societal factors that play into what you're attracted to that makes you, potentially, racist.
 
A lot of these "it's just my preference, there's nothing I can do about it!" responses remind me of a really good article Mumei (credit!) linked me to on racial privilege and how it relates to attraction, particularly within the gay community. Loving titled: Dear 'Anonymous': You're Racist

The entire article is a great read, but here's the bit I find to be especially relevant to this thread:

My white friends never realized the "privilege" they have for online dating...until I showed them that 80-90% of the attractive girls that came up on Match.com only had "White/Caucasian" in the "What She's Looking For" section. Now they're just like, "Sorry bro".
 
I'd like to ask, if a girl from any race is found to be beautiful by all the other races, what does that mean?
Does that mean that certain beautiful features are deemed beautiful by everyone, and can be found in every race but sometimes differ a bit in shape/size? I always wonder about this.

What defines attractive or beautiful to people?
 
I'll describe this in the best way I can: the prettiest Asian female is, to me, prettier than the prettiest female of any other race or ethnicity. I've got that typical yellow fever. Japanese, Korean, Chinese, whatever. I just find myself more attracted to them.

I've talked to people who find this trait of mine to be off-putting, but I think it's pretty common and I believe that everyone has a preference. That's not to say that other girls aren't attractive to me - of course they are - but I still have my favorites.

Is there anything socially wrong with this? Does anyone else share these feelings?

Edit: Yes, I am a white male, and yes, I have an Asian girlfriend who is aware of this.

Race is such a broad term. When you say Asian, you do realize that there are more to "asians" besides Japanese, Korean, and Chinese? Like the Vietnamese, Thai, Hmong, etc. What you really mean to say is that you prefer light skinned far-eastern Asian females. Because I'm gonna go on a limb and say you probably wouldn't think women from Thailand are prettier than those who are from Japan, correct me if I'm wrong though.

Also race =/= ethnicity. Does that mean a Japanese American woman is less prettier than a Japanese woman? How so? Is it because of the personalities that perceive is more desirable of one than the other?

I don't really think you thought this through or you tried to say

"I prefer women who look like my girlfriend over anyone else"

more than what it is, just a preference. You shouldn't get slack for it though. We have likes and dislikes. You can't make a person want to be attracted to every single type of person. That's 99.999999% impossible (not a scientific number)
 
I'd like to ask, if a girl from any race is found to be beautiful by all the other races, what does that mean?
Does that mean that certain beautiful features are deemed beautiful by everyone, and can be found in every race but sometimes differ a bit in shape/size? I always wonder about this.

What defines attractive or beautiful to people?

"found to be beautiful by all other races"? What, you mean like every human on the planet thinks she's beautiful? It's not like an entire race can have the same opinion of someone. Your question is weirdly worded and might reveal a fundamental flaw in your thought process on this subject.
 
It goes both ways for men as well but since this thread is about women, I was only talking about that. I'm not saying that biological people don't have a race, but I hate when it's used as a term to completely isolate people due to attraction. Let me not get started on the other terms Asians are called that are ridiculous due to fetishes. The minute someone says "I like race A over race B because of etc" it just sounds degrading. It become about race moreso than the type of person they are and that being the reason why they like them. I've been raised to see the ugliest person is the one who treats other like crap disregarding beauty.
I don't think people literally mean they fancy 'Asian women', they mean in their practical experience, they propositional find them more attractive. Let's say out of a hundred women of each race they see, they find a higher percentage of Asian women more attractive.

Which raises an interesting point actually, despite my personal experience, I would think people would find other races more attractive statistically, because they're exposed to them more frequently through media, which is selective. For example, Yunjin Kim is a very attractive Asian woman, but I know of her because she was cast in a popular TV show, and she was almost certainly partially cast because she's attractive. I've maybe known ten Asian women in my life, but I've seen hundreds from TV. If I'd only known ten white women in real life, but seen hundreds on TV, I would find them statistically more attractive, because the selection bias of media for beautiful people.

I don't think associating people with their race is degrading when discussing attractiveness, partially because it's not isolating individuals, but also because people are talking about the superficial aspects of a person. Even if someone said "I've never found a white woman attractive", I wouldn't take that to mean they couldn't be attracted to them on a human level, they just don't like the aesthetic. I had a white music teacher in college who said he'd only ever dated black women, that he finds the white skin tone unappealing and associates it with illness, which is very strange to me, but that it's just some base level thing that he doesn't like, I don't think it's unfair, or even distasteful to white women.
 
That's not the point at all. It's the refusal to acknowledge the societal factors that play into what you're attracted to that makes you, potentially, racist.

That's a tad weasley, though, isn't it? It's basically saying "You might not be racist, but you probably are, you just don't know it."
 
I'll describe this in the best way I can: the prettiest Asian female is, to me, prettier than the prettiest female of any other race or ethnicity. I've got that typical yellow fever. Japanese, Korean, Chinese, whatever. I just find myself more attracted to them.

I've talked to people who find this trait of mine to be off-putting, but I think it's pretty common and I believe that everyone has a preference. That's not to say that other girls aren't attractive to me - of course they are - but I still have my favorites.

Is there anything socially wrong with this? Does anyone else share these feelings?

Edit: Yes, I am a white male, and yes, I have an Asian girlfriend who is aware of this.

what i find off-putting is people who say they are only into certain types and nothing else. ex. you were to say that you only find asian and spanish women attractive.
 
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