Having an aesthetic racial preference
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You saying most black females dude.
Everyone's preferences are shaped in some form by society. We are social creatures, it's inevitable. Even if one tries to deny that they are influenced by it, subconsciously they still are.
Boom Boom Pow
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most = entire?
Wouldn't that make attraction way more uniform than it currently is? Everyone within a social group would have the same taste, and this is simply not the case. I think this is an answer that creates more questions.
"Racist" in the context Aristion is using doesn't need to include discrimination. You don't have to be intending to harm another human being physically or mentally for it to fit in the definition of racism.
For example, if I say all Indian people are stupid to a group of non Indian friends, I have made a racist statement, even if I haven't discriminated, harmed, and/or offended anyone by my statement.
That theory assumes everyone experiences the exact same social conditioning in the exact same way, which is impossible. Everyone will take it and adapt to it differently.
Most of your posts are all shit....
But stupid is an attempt at making an objective statement, 'stupid' is a general term used to apply to a number of factors, knowledge, information retention, equation processing, etc, but it's something which can be measured to an extent, and objectified. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Saying 'no black women are attractive', is a statement of the person's taste, not black women. To say 'Indian people are stupid' is a statement about them.
You can argue semantics all you want but you associating negative characteristics on a race except for a certain few based on the anecdotal few you have been in contact with is racist.
And, if we look at the women we see in the media, there is an understood 'uniform' ideal of beauty. It's not absolutely set in stone and people still have their own preferences but tall, slim, lightskinned women are definitely idealised in society.
But saying "I don't find [X] attractive" is not the same as saying "[X] people are stupid". I mean, that's the whole point.
Are there studies on this? I definitely would like to learn more about this, because attraction is something that has seemed mostly instinct-based to me.
In any case, do you think people can re-shape their "social conditioning" or something?
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EscoBlades
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I facepalmed so hard, i think i broke the sound barrier.
What seems like 'instinct' can be the result of social conditionining. It may seem like instinct to become nervous when you pass a young black man in a hoodie on the street late at night but that doesn't mean it's not due to social conditioning (I'm not suggesting you do that by the way. I'm just using it as an example).
And it is possible for people to re-shape their social conditioning I would say.
I have been attracted to girls from every race and not attracted to girls from every race.
blame space
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don't be exclusionary about entire groups of things or people you haven't experienced it makes you seem closed-minded.
velociraptor
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They change from person to person. Not all black women have dark skin, or big asses, or very curly hair. Not all white girls are blonde or pale. A large manner of attributes define a person beyond their direct ancestry that can be shared across populations and races.
A lot of people's perceptions are filled in by their upbringing and past experiences. Media, and how races are portrayed therein, have a huge effect on this. So when a person says they don't find an entire "race" of people attractive, which is comprised of many varieties of beauty (or lack thereof), it can come across as a lack of empathy brought about by cultural biases and lack of experience with the demographic in question.
For example, this study finds that black kids are viewed as older and less innocent than their white contemporaries. Why would that be?
Always-honest
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It's not the only influence
"I don't find black people attractive" is exactly the same as "Black people are stupid"
They both mean that black people are all the same... which is racist.
IMO that's completely different. You indeed learn to fear stuff, but I don't think you learn to feel sexual attraction towards stuff.
I understand this (I don't completely agree, though), but OP didn't say "I'm not attracted to [X]", he said "I find [X] more beautiful".
Zen_Arcade
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Paying attention to the context of a conversation easily fixes the confusion.
Given the perception of innocence is almost certainly directly linked with the perception of age, if a black kid does look older, of course people are also going to believe they are less innocent.
That's a stretch.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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How can anyone really know what they are attracted to if they haven't tried all the variations?
Red Mage
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I don't find a lot of women in the mainstream media attractive, white, black, or other. Angelina Jolie is supposedly a very attractive woman, but I find her rather unattractive. I've never found Beyonce, Rihanna, etc. attractive either.
Although I have always found Tamera Mowry very attractive. = B
Dark Octave
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You must live in the south or some fly over state.
Come to California if you want to wash the ignorance away.
How? One may be more negative than the other but they are the exact same level of generalization.
To take me as an example, I find women with short hair particularly attractive. I'm pretty sure it's because I associate short hair on women with non-conformity. That preference is something which comes from my experience of society but feels very instinctual. When I see a woman with short hair, I don't think "oh, there's someone who probably is a non-conformist", I think "wow, she's hot".
freenudemacusers
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she looks like she has a lot of attitude and wears streetwear. not really my thing.
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It's one of the topics of modern psychology and sociology, though I haven't delved too far into it. It's certainly eye-opening. Preferences can be reshaped, but it's more important that we understand the reasons for our preferences and not really the preference itself. If I had a preference for South Korean women, that in itself is just a general descriptive quality that I'd need to examine further - I could prefer them for their ethnicity or a set of physical traits, which could be further investigated as to whether or not I associate those physical traits with that ethnicity, assumed notions about that ethnicity, and so forth. This kind of introspection can reveal some things about ourselves we may find uncomfortable.
I never stated it was.
"Stupid" in the context I'm using it to describe an entire ethnic group, wouldn't be up for serious measurement and would be more in the realm of that person's personal opinion, and may or may not be referring to intelligence. Regardless, the comment is only meant to illustrate that discrimination is not a necessary factor for an act/statement to fit under racism.
Ok, let's pretend I said this instead going forward:
Also:
This isn't directed at the OP. It's related Aristion's comments to Boom Boom Pow.
Hmmm... not sure. I mean we can't be sure that's the reason why you like short hair, and it may be a post-rationalization of it. Now, if you're naturally attracted to non-conformity, then it's pretty much the same thing
I'm pretty sure that's offensive, lol. Simply not being attracted to someone is not, in my eyes. Also that this group of friends is not Indian doesn't matter, not sure why you mention it. You not being attracted to someone is something that should be okay with everyone.
So we agree that OP wasn't racist, right?Kreed said:
The relation to how white children are viewed is the major takeaway from the study.
"Our research found that black boys can be seen as responsible for their actions at an age when white boys still benefit from the assumption that children are essentially innocent."
Zen_Arcade
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Because one is voicing a personal preference and the other is attempting to state an opinion as fact that demeans an entire race.
What does what the OP said have to do with what you were responding to?
How is it a stretch?
"I am not attracted to black people"= All black people look the same.
"Black people are stupid"= All black people have the same level of intelligence.
Both are racist.
It is absolutely possible to learn to be sexually attracted to things. That's how fetishes come into existence, for example.
Hmmm... not sure. I mean we can't be sure that's the reason why you like short hair, and it may be a post-rationalization of it. Now, if you're naturally attracted to non-conformity, then it's pretty much the same thing
I think that's rather hard to qualify in the field of instinctive attraction lol.
Hmmm... not sure. I mean we can't be sure that's the reason why you like short hair, and it may be a post-rationalization of it. Now, if you're naturally attracted to non-conformity, then it's pretty much the same thing
Yeah, I can't know for sure. And, like StuBurns posted earlier, it's really difficult to know why anyone finds anything attractive at an individual level. But, as I said in a previous post, it's worth reflecting on our preferences because it might reveal some underlying prejudices. And it's certainly safe to say that the media and society idealise certain looks.
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