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How? One may be more negative than the other but they are the exact same level of generalization.

I'd say by the definition of the term only. There are many layers to racism.

I do agree that it isn't fair to judge and entire race's attractiveness based on someone's limited knowledge and ignorance. Though saying someone is racist as a blanket term is kind of unfair. Though I do see the relation.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

i truly cannot understand people of this viewpoint.

white girls are hot.
asian girls are hot.
black girls are hot.
native american girls are hot.
arab girls are hot.

come on.

Just like the Calvin Harris song.

 

[RM8]

It is absolutely possible to learn to be sexually attracted to things. That's how fetishes come into existence, for example.

So people with a thing for feet or furry stuff eventually "learned" to feel attraction for those things?

I think that's rather hard to qualify in the field of instinctive attraction lol.

Is it? I think a naturally right-side-brained person is more likely to be okay with conformism, for example.

 

[StuBurns]

The relation to how white children are viewed is the major takeaway from the study.

"Our research found that black boys can be seen as responsible for their actions at an age when white boys still benefit from the assumption that children are essentially innocent."

Indeed, I'm just questioning if I think that constitutes racism. The two points aren't separate, right, that's the point? If someone showed me fifty ten year olds, representing various ethnicities, I was told all the children range from eight to twelve, and I was to assign ages to each of them, the people I believe were twelve I would naturally consider to be less innocent, just because being four years older does mean someone is more responsible, they're more cognitive of their actions.

So then it's just a question of how well I can guess people's ages. I really have no idea if ethnicity would impact my ability to guess that, but if for whatever reason, I guess the white kids pretty well, thought the Asian kids were younger than they are, and the black kids were older, then I think the sense of innocence would be skewed without 'racism', that's just an incompetence for guessing ages.

I do think black people tend to age better actually, but I have no idea when it comes to kids.

 

[Always-honest]

I never stated it was.

I know. But some here obviously take half a truth as the whole truth.

 

[theignoramus]

hey, it's not my fault I'm attracted to beautiful soft mermaids and not brute-looking monkeys. You can't deny that every race has characteristics, and I have yet to find a single beautiful monkey. . #teammermaid

Human kind at its finest.

edit: I confused you for some other poster. n/m. carry on

 

[Always-honest]

Perfection.

Wow.. Yeah i noticed her in GoT. Very attractive for me. But GoT has quite a few gorgeous women.

 

[Enzom21]

I'd say by the definition of the term only. There are many layers to racism.

I do agree that it isn't fair to judge and entire race's attractiveness based on someone's limited knowledge and ignorance. Though saying someone is racist as a blanket term is kind of unfair. Though I do see the relation.

It's completely fair. If someone thought that every black person was stupid based on a few encounters with black people who were stupid, then that person would be a racist.

Limited knowledge and ignorance is not an excuse for broad generalizations.

 

[cwmartin]

seems kinda weird, idk about racist though

 

[Earendil]

hot + british accent = win

Wow, she's lovely.

 

[jmood88]

I've never understood having a "preference" for a certain race but that could be because I'm mixed and my family has a bunch of mixed-race people.

 

[Trey]

So then it's just a question of how well I can guess people's ages. I really have no idea if ethnicity would impact my ability to guess that, but if for whatever reason, I guess the white kids pretty well, thought the Asian kids were younger than they are, and the black kids were older, then I think the sense of innocence would be skewed without 'racism', that's just an incompetence for guessing ages.

A bit hard to call it simply incompetence at guessing ages when it (seemingly) leads to disproportionate application of force by police and by courts. Perhaps to you or any regular joe, but then why would you assume it be their age and not their apparent lack of innocence you're responding to?

So going back to your first statement, it's not about how well you or anyone can guess the kid's age. It's about how your response to a certain demographic can lead to a mischaracterization of them which is biased against a control - what you consider "normal" (or what you can "guess pretty well"). Which of course can lead to further problems if many people within a population can hold similar biases.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

It's completely fair. If someone thought that every black person was stupid based on a few encounters with black people who were stupid, then that person would be a racist.

Limited knowledge and ignorance is not an excuse for broad generalizations.

The difference is that the standards of intelligence are easily measured and opinions of attractiveness vary from person to person and have no real measure. You can't prove to someone that you're attractive because the idea and vision of attractiveness is completely based on opinion, you can prove to them that you're intelligent.

You're comparing something that can only be measured by opinion to something that can be proven by fact. I could say every beauty contestant winner is ugly and you couldn't argue with me because it's my personal preference, if I said I was smarter then Steven Hawking it could easily be disproven because he could talk circles around me about science and other subjects and make me look like a fool.

 

[charsace]

I've never understood how anyone can only be attracted to a specific type. I've been attracted to women of all races and sizes.

 

[Enzom21]

The difference is that the standards of intelligence are easily measured and opinions of attractiveness vary from person to person and have no real measure. You can't prove to someone that you're attractive because the idea and vision of attractiveness is completely based on opinion, you can prove to them that you're intelligent.

What does that have to do with what I wrote?

 

[Shakala]

i truly cannot understand people of this viewpoint.

white girls are hot.
asian girls are hot.
black girls are hot.
native american girls are hot.
arab girls are hot.

come on.

Why are you racist against hispanics?

Spoiler

 

[StuBurns]

A bit hard to call it simply incompetence at guessing ages when it (seemingly) leads to disproportionate application of force by police and by courts. Perhaps to you or any regular joe, but then why would you assume it be their age and not their apparent lack of innocence you're responding to?

So going back to your first statement, it's not about how well you or anyone can guess the kid's age. It's about how your response to a certain demographic can lead to a mischaracterization of them which is biased against a control - what you consider "normal." Which of course can lead to further problems if many people within a population can hold similar biases.

I think it's about understanding your own limitations in those regards, and not having your assumptions cloud your actions.

I don't think not being able to judge people's ages accurately is a problem, even if it caused a hugely disproportionate weight towards believing black people are generally older, that's just incompetence/inability, etc, the solution is knowing your inability and making sure to compensate for that. So then it's an issue of if someone knows, if they do, and they choose to ignore that fact, and continue to allow their prejudice (even if it was innocent in origin) then it becomes racism to me.

I guess I would hope the people involved in that study found it eye opening, and they corrected their viewpoint accordingly. Certainly ignorance is not an excuse for the result, but I also don't think it can have come around without any innate racism.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

What does that have to do with what I wrote?

Because what you're arguing is a false equivalence.

You're comparing something that can only be measured by opinion to something that can be proven by fact.

By your logic everyone who has no attraction to large women now has a prejudice towards fat people.

 

[JJMorris]

From my experience, I know plenty of people who definitely don't date people of certain ethnicities.
Everyone seems to prefer light skin people, even consider them more physically attractive just because of it.
I see plenty of interracial couples where there are very attractive darker skin men/women with average white men/women.
I have been rejected in person because of someone's racial preference (I am mixed.)
I have had women flirt with me that I met in person, but who have also definitely rejected me on Tinder. The more walls between you and a person, the easier they are not to consider.
It feels like I have to work twice as hard at being a person, to be with someone who is the same or lighter skin color who is of equal attractiveness. I used to have preferences when I was a kid, but have not felt that way for a very long while. I don't want to settle because of the color of my skin.

 

[theignoramus]

The difference is that the standards of intelligence are easily measured and opinions of attractiveness vary from person to person and have no real measure. You can't prove to someone that you're attractive because the idea and vision of attractiveness is completely based on opinion, you can prove to them that you're intelligent.

You can generalize what is attractive and what isnt though, people with more facial symmetry are considered more attractive than those with less. Im sure there are a minority of people (half of them on Neogaf) who think Jada Pinkett Smith isnt an attractive woman for some silly, arbitrary reason, (like skin colour) but she has the facial characteristics commonly associated with women perceived to be attractive and desirable.

 

[andymcc]

sure, not specifically why not black women, but you see I have a very narrow specific taste in women. I don't like blondes, I don't like big bones(not necessarily fat), don't like big asses, don't like curly hair and so on. I can appreciate the beauty in every ethnicity/race but I'm only attracted to a specific group of people.

does this impact your ability to get women within your narrow tastes?

 

[Enzom21]

Because what you're arguing is a false equivalence.


By your logic everyone who has no attraction to large women now has a prejudice towards fat people.

Try reading what I actually wrote.

Saying "Based on the few black women I have met who are ugly, I think all black women are ugly." is exactly the same as "Based on the few black people I met who are stupid all black people are stupid."

Do all black people look the same?

 

[StuBurns]

Try reading what I actually wrote.

Saying "Based on the few black women I have met who are ugly, I think all black women are ugly." is exactly the same as "Based on the few black people I met who are stupid all black people are stupid."

Do all black people look the same?

But you're wrong, the post didn't say all black people look the same.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

The difference is that the standards of intelligence are easily measured and opinions of attractiveness vary from person to person and have no real measure. You can't prove to someone that you're attractive because the idea and vision of attractiveness is completely based on opinion, you can prove to them that you're intelligent.

You're comparing something that can only be measured by opinion to something that can be proven by fact. I could say every beauty contestant winner is ugly and you couldn't argue with me because it's my personal preference, if I said I was smarter then Steven Hawking it could easily be disproven because he could talk circles around me about science and other subjects and make me look like a fool.

The measures, standards, and definitions of intelligence has been in contention among researchers for decades. Stephen Hawking shouldn't be more intelligent than you just because of his expertise in physics and mathematics.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

You can generalize what is attractive and what isnt though, people with more facial symmetry are considered more attractive than those with less. Im sure there are a minority of people (half of them on Neogaf) who think Jada Pinkett Smith isnt an attractive woman for some silly, arbitrary reason, (like skin colour) but she has the facial characteristics commonly associated with women perceived to be attractive and desirable.

Considered attractive by who? It's completely subjective. Just because a lot of people find Jada Pinkett Smith attractive doesn't mean someone who doesn't is generalizing. That COULD be the case, but there are also thousands of other reasons why someone might not find someone else attractive.

The measures, standards, and definitions of intelligence has been in contention among researchers for decades.

True, but my point was it's not completely subjective like someones attractiveness is.

Try reading what I actually wrote.

Saying "Based on the few black women I have met who are ugly, I think all black women are ugly." is exactly the same as "Based on the few black people I met who are stupid all black people are stupid."

Do all black people look the same?

But you're wrong, the post didn't say all black people look the same.

Exactly. You completely made up him saying that all black people look the same. For all you know he saw 100 different black women, recognized that they all looked different, and still didn't find any of them attractive.

 

[Enzom21]

But you're wrong, the post didn't say all black people look the same.

What post?

Exactly. You completely made up him saying that all black people look the same. For all you know he saw 100 different black women, recognized that they all looked different, and still didn't find any of them attractive.

I didn't make up shit. Saying you don't find black people attractive based on the few black people you have encountered is racist.

Even if he saw a 1000 different black women it is still not representative of all black women.

 

[WalkMan]

Try reading what I actually wrote.

Saying "Based on the few black women I have met who are ugly, I think all black women are ugly." is exactly the same as "Based on the few black people I met who are stupid all black people are stupid."

Do all black people look the same?

That's the argument people are trying to make here in this thread, they generalize based on what they think they know about a whole race and say they like it - the counter is just as bad to say they can dislike a whole race based on a few interactions.

Through and through there are some racist people on here, doesn't matter if it's what you call "positive" racism or negative racism.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

What post?


I didn't make up shit. Saying you don't find black people attractive based on the few black people you have encountered is racist.

Even if he saw a 1000 different black women it is still not representative of all black women.

So what you're saying is that someone needs to see every person on earth of a race before deciding that they don't find them attractive.

If I say I don't find fat women attractive, despite the fact I haven't met every large woman, do I now have a prejudice against fat people?

 

[StuBurns]

What post?

I could find the quote, but I think it's funnier to quote the fact you already quoted him correctly previously.

"I don't find black people attractive" is exactly the same as "Black people are stupid"

They both mean that black people are all the same... which is racist.

 

[moltonasty]

It's interesting to me how these type of "preferences" develop over time. For example, I used to be very interested in all types of girls, and had girlfriends of different ethnicities. Then I had one Filipino girlfriend, and since then I've almost been exclusively attracted to Asian girls, just like OP. My past 2 girlfriends have been Japanese, and I pretty much find myself only checking out Asian girls at this point. Some of my friends think it's pretty weird, and I know girls are apparently disgusted by "yellow fever." But whatevz, man, I like what I like. You know the saying "once you go black you never go back", well for me just switch that out with Asian girls and it's kind of how I feel. I don't see what's wrong with having a preference TBH, but some people do. Oh well.

 

[VivaciousSoul]

I think I like everyone. I've yet to find a race with individuals that I didn't find attractive. If I absolutely had to choose one as the group that I am most attracted to, then I would have to choose my own race.

 

[Enzom21]

So what you're saying is that someone needs to see every person on earth of a race before deciding that they don't find them attractive.

If I say I don't find fat women attractive, do I now have a prejudice against fat people?

Do all black people look the same? Can you decide what every black person on this planet looks like based on some of the black people you don't find attractive?

 

[theignoramus]

True, but my point was it's not completely subjective like someones attractiveness is.

attractiveness and beauty are not completely subjective though, whether you want to admit it or not. ( though who you are personally attracted to obviously is.) Social scientists can identify the facial and body characteristics (in the Western world anyway) that are most commonly perceived to be attractive. It's not an exact science, but it allows us to come to grips with why X model/actor/celebrity is generally perceived by both one or both genders to be an attractive person.For example, Im not especially attracted to Alison Brie, but I'd be a fool not to admit she's a good looking woman.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Do all black people look the same? Can you decide what every black person on this planet looks like based on some of the black people you don't find attractive?

You could ask the same exact question about fat people.

 

[.GqueB.]

It isn't mostly chemical however. Society plays a large part in what is or isn't attractive. There are instinct-based attractive traits and there are socially determined attractive traits - thin women were most definitely not the standard of beauty in the 1700's for example. Understanding this is critically important to bettering our society insofar as both self-esteem for many people and why we have our preferences. Note that isn't saying preferences are bad, it's saying we should strive to understand the factors at play.

As Rm88 said, I think we give ourselves too much credit.

If society were telling us what we find attractive then there wouldn't be such a diverse sense of what we all as a society find attractive. Not everyone likes hot blondes. Not everyone likes skinny women. Not everyone likes overweight women. Not everyone likes large breast. What part of "society" are we talking about here?

I grew up in the same environment as many of my peers but my view of attraction is largely different from theirs. And what about people that didn't even have a "society" growing up? What if we were to lock someone away for the first 18 years of their lives denying them a "society". Would they come out not being attracted to anyone? Would they simply be attracted to ANYone. I'm willing to bet a preference would develop quicker than "society" can shape it for them.

All in all, I think it's silly to think that as complicated as this world can be and all we know (and don't) about how all this shit works, that we have somehow figured out how and why we are truly attracted to each other. We can talk it to death but I think it's all BS.

I just feel like all of this works on a very deep level and people like what they like and shy away from what they don't. Everything else is blog wank.

 

[Enzom21]

You could ask the same exact question about fat people.

Being black and being fat are not the same thing. So I will ask again. Do all black people look the same?

 

[StuBurns]

Being black and being fat are not the same thing. So I will ask again. Do all black people look the same?

What the fuck. Stop asking the same question that no one even suggested.

He said he doesn't find any black women attractive, that is nothing like saying all black women look the same.

 

[Brakke]

The difference is that the standards of intelligence are easily measured[...]

Lol. No. Not even almost true.

 

[ISOM]

You could ask the same exact question about fat people.

Are you really trying to say there is an equivalency between being black and being fat so that you can make broad generalizations? Jesus..

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Being black and being fat are not the same thing. So I will ask again. Do all black people look the same?

In the context of the conversation they're exactly the same. Both are being judged because of their appearance and their attractiveness to other people. The answer to your question is no obviously. But the same exact line of thinking could be applied to overweight people, and no one seems to have a problem when someone says they don't find fat people attractive.

Probably because they understand that physical appearance isn't tied to character and saying that someone is unattractive isn't saying they are less of a person. You can find people unattractive and still think they're great human beings.

Are you really trying to say there is an equivalency between being black and being fat so that you can make broad generalizations? Jesus..

In the context of the conversation they're almost identical. It's two groups of people being judged on their attractiveness by their physical appearance. Frankly I think it's worse that you can't see the parallels.

 

[hipbabboom]

Why do these threads always devolve into someone trying to fond a sly way to tell the world just how much they can't get boners for black people. Who fucking cares?! More for me!

 

[ComputerMKII]

Persian girls > all

 

[Sneds]

What the fuck. Stop asking the same question that no one even suggested.

He said he doesn't find any black women attractive, that is nothing like saying all black women look the same.

No but it suggests that there's a common characteristic of black women that he finds unappealing. There is a lot of variety in how black women look, which is why I have said in previous posts that I find it odd that people can't name a single black woman that they find attractive, unless they have a total aversion to dark skin but even then many black women are relatively lightskinned.

 

[StuBurns]

No but it suggests that there's a common characteristic of black women that he finds unappealing. There is a lot of variety in how black women look, which is why I have said in previous posts that I find it odd that people can't name a single black woman that they find attractive, unless they have a total aversion to dark skin but even then many black women are relatively lightskinned.

And he responded and said it was the darker skin tones he didn't like.

And I don't find that skin color attractive. I don't even like particularly tan girls.

 

[Joel Was Right]

In every single thread like this, the "black is beautiful" posts that showcase photographic examples are themselves tinted with a certain irony. It reminds me of a conversation my East African mother once offered me about marriage: "don't marry a black girl", she said. It's a phenomena that knits itself around that region of Africa; people don't recognise themselves as "black". It's at this point that it's worth mentioning perhaps that there is no singular example of a black person; we come with different hair, different skin tones and different facial features.

And the images GAF posts in defence of black beauty? Often light skinned, straight hair and none of the features my mother identifies as "black"; dark skinned, a wide nose or full lips.

So when people say "I'm not attracted to black people", they could be referring to a variety of things but its more often than not those latter aspects - which is fine, it doesn't offend me.

It touches on the news in recent days that Lupita Nyong'o has been picked up to model a label. It was news because Lupita doesn't fit into the typical representation of black beauty that we see in this thread and in our media; she is dark skinned; she has nappy hair; she is cute; she is what few people would recognise as such.

 

[Pterion]

It reminds me of a conversation my East African mother once offered me about marriage: "don't marry a black girl", she said.

Black on black hate is da best

 

[And_Gignac]

Because they don't. Scientists don't even like to use the word race, because it is pretty much a social construct. What you should refer to is ethnicity. There is no ethnicity called "black", or "white". Two white people can be more genetically different than a white and a non-white person.

Oh god this. The way some social scientists love to spit the term "race" recks on pure ignorance.

 

[n00bsauce87]

Black on black hate is da best

/facepalm

So Ukraine and Russia is white on white hate?

 

[Eidan]

For those with racial preferences against certain races, can you articulate what you find unattractive about that race?

For example, "I find black women unattractive because....". Thanks in advance.

 

[Always-honest]

I am aracial preference. Too many beautiful woman from every race to hold any other in a higher regard imo. I don't think it's a problem if someone does have a preference, I just think they're missing out.

Sure. It's not by choice. Well it shouldn't be, at least.