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[hipbabboom]

Eh, this doesn't really take into account a lot of things like region, country, whether these are immigrants or born and raised etc.

It is shocking though at the rates for black females, and even the fact that black females responded to black males less than they did Asian males or even Indian males.

A western culture that devalues certain races over others such that its it permeates through in media and marketing. Of course that's going to be the result. It would be more shocking if the stats were inverted.

 

[royalan]

Yes, I did read his post. I asked you if you feel that way, and if so, is it right for you to truly be angry and dismissive of people for social conditioning? He even admitted it probably isn't right but he can't help it. If that is the case do you look down on him for it?

No, I don't feel the same way he does. I don't have a racial preference, I thought that had been made fairly obvious by this point.

Do I look down on him for his preferences? No, because he's at least acknowledging the forces at play here. I do think it's a little sad, though, that it's harder for him to see the beauty in women who look like him because of the images he's been bombarded by.

 

[Kadayi]

That's nonsense. We can infer the impact of the media and of social norms without measurable quantifiable data.

Unless you're idea of 'without measurable quantifiable data' somehow excludes the notion of polling people I'm intrigued to hear how? But still the inherent problem remains that short of separating a group out in order to act as a control it's pretty hard to do so with any degree of certainty, especially when it comes to such a complex arena as this without making some pretty broad assumptions regarding the relationship people have with media. Who watches the watchmen?

I get the allure of 'media says jump> populace says how high?' but it's only one model of how media works and is a fairly simplistic one at that, that denies the consumer of any critical role within the relationship. It might sit well on the paper, it sits less well when you think about your own relationship with the media in terms of what you take on board and reject as a matter of course (Julia Roberts sex symbol? Not by the hairs of my chinny chin chin Hollywood). Amusing as it is to presumes ones natural superiority in these matters over the proles surprisingly I'm less inclined to get behind the idea that the masses are as passive as our mutual friend would like us to believe.

 

[Bold One]

Yeah I'm also not attracted to women taller than I am so does that make me a heightist?

No, just really insecure which in a roundabout way explains a lot about those in the I don't find such and such race attractive.

so thank you, you may have ended this thread.

 

[OrangeJulius]

No, I don't feel the same way he does. I don't have a racial preference, I thought that had been made fairly obvious by this point.

Do I look down on him for his preferences? No, because he's at least acknowledging the forces at play here. I do think it's a little sad, though, that it's harder for him to see the beauty in women who look like him because of the images he's been bombarded by.

Thanks for the answer. I will say I've not read the entire thread so I don't know the extent of what you've said here. If I asked you things that seemed redundant that is why.

I still maintain that your tone comes off a bit hostile for someone who claims to be more saddened by that type of situation then outraged. There are undoubtedly social and cultural aspects at play in what we find attractive. I guess I'd just like to see you admit that sometimes a person just likes what they like and there is no greater reason for it.

I realize that probably won't happen though and will not press the issue further.

 

[StuBurns]

No, just really insecure which in a roundabout way explains a lot about those in the I don't find such and such race attractive.

so thank you, you may have ended this thread.

They're insecure? About what?

 

[Figboy79]

It's pretty brutal to have someone actually say to your face they don't think your race is attractive, she should have just pretended to be involved with someone or gay or any of the normal things.

It's happened to me on more than one occasion. Feels bad, man.

 

[Zoe]

No, just really insecure which in a roundabout way explains a lot about those in the I don't find such and such race attractive.

so thank you, you may have ended this thread.

What if they're just too lazy to stand on their toes?

 

[Sneds]

Unless you're idea of 'without measurable quantifiable data' somehow excludes the notion of polling people I'm intrigued to hear how? But still the inherent problem remains that short of separating a group out in order to act as a control it's pretty hard to do so with any degree of certainty, especially when it comes to such a complex arena as this without making some pretty broad assumptions regarding the relationship people have with media. Who watches the watchmen?

I get the allure of 'media says jump> populace says how high?' but it's only one model of how media works and is a fairly simplistic one at that, that denies the consumer of any critical role within the relationship. It might sit well on the paper, it sits less well when you think about your own relationship with the media in terms of what you take on board and reject as a matter of course (Julia Roberts sex symbol? Not by the hairs of my chinny chin chin Hollywood). Amusing as it is to presumes ones natural superiority in these matters over the proles surprisingly I'm less inclined to get behind the idea that the masses are as passive as our mutual friend would like us to believe.

The ideas in the media and general public effect and reinforce one another so it's not a matter of "natural superiority in these matters over the proles". I didn't say that. But are you suggesting that the media has no impact on society?

 

[Skinpop]

It's pretty brutal to have someone actually say to your face they don't think your race is attractive, she should have just pretended to be involved with someone or gay or any of the normal things.

Wouldn't feel much better being told you have any kind of undesirable trait.

 

[221BakerStreet]

I used to only date Asian and white guys. I found everything from the cut of their jaw line to the shape of their mouths and lips to be absolutely beautiful. With that being said, other races have people that are absolutely mind blowingly beautiful. But they aren't my preference. My last bf was black, huge mistake. I think I forced myself to find him physically appealing but he was kind of cool. Now I know that black guys aren't my cup of tea. It's natural to like certain things. Variety is the spice of life. And if your variety is black, white, Asian, brown, blue or green, that's perfectly fine.

Spoiler

yes, I'm black.

 

[royalan]

I used to only date Asian and white guys. I found everything from the cut of their jaw line to the shape of their mouths and lips to be absolutely beautiful. With that being said, other races have people that are absolutely mind blowingly beautiful. But they aren't my preference. My last bf was black, huge mistake. I think I forced myself to find him physically appealing but he was kind of cool. Now I know that black guys aren't my cup of tea. It's natural to like certain things. Variety is the spice of life. And if your variety is black, white, Asian, brown, blue or green, that's perfectly fine.

Spoiler

yes, I'm black.

...uhhh...

 

[StuBurns]

It's happened to me on more than one occasion. Feels bad, man.

So strange, shooting someone down really never requires honesty, if you don't know the person, the "I have a girl/boyfriend/am gay, sorry", if you do know the person "I don't want to complicate things", etc.

Honesty is not always the best policy.

 

[RockTurtle]

I used to only date Asian and white guys. I found everything from the cut of their jaw line to the shape of their mouths and lips to be absolutely beautiful. With that being said, other races have people that are absolutely mind blowingly beautiful. But they aren't my preference. My last bf was black, huge mistake. I think I forced myself to find him physically appealing but he was kind of cool. Now I know that black guys aren't my cup of tea. It's natural to like certain things. Variety is the spice of life. And if your variety is black, white, Asian, brown, blue or green, that's perfectly fine.

Spoiler

yes, I'm black.

well at least you tried! and that will give you cookie points!

Spoiler

PS im confused for black american all the time...and indian...and middle eastern...

i will admit you black americans probably are justified in feeling slighted. Nothing like seeing a black cuban shittalk y'all about everything.

almost as funny as a black as hell dominican talking shit about haitians >_>

Given the proliferation of media sources, the innumerable motivators of the people generating content and the freedom of the individual to pick and choose that which they consume then I question the assumption of a commonality of cultural expression.

WORLDSTAR!

 

[Kadayi]

The ideas in the media and general public effect and reinforce one another so it's not a matter of "natural superiority in these matters over the proles". I didn't say that. But are you suggesting that the media has no impact on society?

Given the proliferation of media sources, the innumerable motivators of the people generating content and the freedom of the individual to pick and choose that which they consume then I question the assumption of a commonality of cultural expression.

 

[221BakerStreet]

well at least you tried! and that will give you cookie points!

Spoiler

PS im confused for black american all the time...and indian...and middle eastern...

i will admit you black americans probably are justified in feeling slighted. Nothing like seeing a black cuban shittalk y'all about everything.

almost as funny as a black as hell dominican talking shit about haitians >_>

I'm Haitian, and we talk shit on Dominicans and Cubans. But I'm super fair skinned so people think I'm just being racist. Nope, it's black on black crime.

Fight the black on black crime guys.

 

[Sneds]

Given the proliferation of media sources, the innumerable motivators of the people generating content and the freedom of the individual to pick and choose that which they consume then I question the assumption of a commonality of cultural expression.

I'm not suggesting that there's a unified media message but there are certainly trends and tropes. Various groups are often stereotyped in the same way in the mainstream media, e.g. young Hispanic men being drug dealers in the US, white working class people as 'chavs' here in the UK. The freedom of the individual to choose doesn't matter all that much when all the major media outlets portray groups in virtually the same manner.

 

[RockTurtle]

I'm Haitian, and we talk shit on Dominicans and Cubans. But I'm super fair skinned so people think I'm just being racist. Nope, it's black on black crime.

Fight the black on black crime guys.

yo cubans have some maaaaaad hate about haitians. moreso than dominicans. I've rarely met a cuban that didn't have something to say when the haitian topic comes up.

I get things like "how can you let those people in your side of the island?"

they love dominicans though. you don't know how many services and favors i've gotten done for free when a cuban found out i'm dominican. here's a funny story. had a guy come to my house to do a checkup on my car and change liquids etc. he thought i was black until i spoke spanish on the phone.

"Oh you're dominican? oye me encanta la republica, puerto plata is so beautiful and the island people so friendly and happy. I love going there every couple of years. you know what? i'll only charge you half. los hispanos we gotta stick together"

 

[Kadayi]

I'm not suggesting that there's a unified media message but there are certainly trends and tropes. Various groups are often stereotyped in the same way in the mainstream media, e.g. young Hispanic men being drug dealers in the US, white working class people as 'chavs' here in the UK. The freedom of the individual to choose doesn't matter all that much when all the major media outlets portray groups in virtually the same manner.

The latter statement seems contradictory to the former.

 

[Eidan]

I'm surprised at how difficult some people find articulating their tastes to be. I ask why you don't find black women attractive. You say you don't like dark skin. I ask why. I feel like you should be able to answer. Hell, I'll even help.

I don't personally like very pale skin. Why? I find that pale people bruise easily, or their bruises are just more visible. I find it off putting, as it reminds me of moldy bread. See? Is that so tough?

 

[Sneds]

The latter statement seems contradictory to the former.

Virtually the same doesn't equal unified message.

Edit: And I feel as though you're ignoring the substance of my point which is that various groups are often stereotyped and made the subject of tropes in the media.

 

[Brakke]

Given the proliferation of media sources, the innumerable motivators of the people generating content and the freedom of the individual to pick and choose that which they consume then I question the assumption of a commonality of cultural expression.

So you wanna say "this is a hard thing to quantify properly". Sure, yeah, social science: experiments are hard.

But setting any kind of precision aside, it is pretty easy to establish "more than zero".

And "some effect" is a much easier claim than "total brainwashing". Obviously. We're here talking about these effects, not these determinants. Plus, there do exist some people who are not capable of or interested in participating actively nor critically in their media consumption. "We can't measure it so it doesn't exist" isn't the right approach.

 

[OrangeJulius]

I'm surprised at how difficult some people find articulating their tastes to be. I ask why you don't find black women attractive. You say you don't like dark skin. I ask why. I feel like you should be able to answer. Hell, I'll even help.

I don't personally like very pale skin. Why? I find that pale people bruise easily, or their bruises are just more visible. I find it off putting, as it reminds me of moldy bread. See? Is that so tough?

That is so.....specific. What if someone was to say they don't like black skin/people because they have a chocolate allergy and brown/black skin reminds them of chocolate?

I mean, you realize that sounds completely nuts right? Moldy bread??? Bruises??? People never fail to surprise me.

Would you actually accept my chocolate excuse if I fed you that line of bull shit?

 

[Devolution]

There are studies about the impact of beauty standards. The most often cited one is how little black girls internalized white barbie as pretty and black barbie as ugly.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Having moved to Japan I have to admit there are a lot of pretty women, however I wouldn't say I have a preference for them as the OP does.

What's undeniable is that Asian babies are cuter than white ones. Guess I'll have to settle for a haafu.

 

[God Dayumm]

I'm surprised at how difficult some people find articulating their tastes to be. I ask why you don't find black women attractive. You say you don't like dark skin. I ask why. I feel like you should be able to answer. Hell, I'll even help.

I don't personally like very pale skin. Why? I find that pale people bruise easily, or their bruises are just more visible. I find it off putting, as it reminds me of moldy bread. See? Is that so tough?

That's a very good reason to not like white skin. Also freckles are more noticeable, so that's a huge disadvange.

I still like blondes the most.

 

[RockTurtle]

I'm surprised at how difficult some people find articulating their tastes to be. I ask why you don't find black women attractive. You say you don't like dark skin. I ask why. I feel like you should be able to answer. Hell, I'll even help.

I don't personally like very pale skin. Why? I find that pale people bruise easily, or their bruises are just more visible. I find it off putting, as it reminds me of moldy bread. See? Is that so tough?

i don't like tanned skinned cause it's hard to find your mate in the dark

 

[Eidan]

That is so.....specific. What if someone was to say they don't like black skin/people because they have a chocolate allergy and brown/black skin reminds them of chocolate?

I mean, you realize that sounds completely nuts right? Moldy bread??? Bruises??? People never fail to surprise me.

Would you actually accept my chocolate excuse if I fed you that line of bull shit?

I find bruises and wounds unattractive. Bruises are more visible on pale skin, so I find pale skin to be less attractive. I should have made that more clear (no "as" in "as it reminds me of moldy bread").

You may find my reasoning crazy, but I think that's better than just saying "I don't like pale skin because I just don't like pale skin."

EDIT: I should also mention, I've been with pale women. It's just a preference. I'd never say, "I don't find pale women attractive."

 

[Mayyhem]

Pretty much everybody has this.

This is what I thought too

 

[Kadayi]

Virtually the same doesn't equal unified message.

Edit: And I feel as though you're ignoring the substance of my point which is that various groups are often stereotyped and made the subject of tropes in the media.

And you're looping back to the inherent weakness I highlighted in my post. There exists infinite media, infinite sources and everyone has finite time. A trope only has power if the viewer chooses to subscribe to it and act upon it.

But setting any kind of precision aside, it is pretty easy to establish "more than zero".

How? Without a control group there can be no certainty as to cause, only a presumption. To engender certainty one has to be able to eliminate all other potential influences.

 

[OrangeJulius]

I find bruises and wounds unattractive. Bruises are more visible on pale skin, so I find pale skin to be less attractive. I should have made that more clear (no "as" in "as it reminds me of moldy bread").

You may find my reasoning crazy, but I think that's better than just saying "I don't like pale skin because I just don't like pale skin."

EDIT: I should also mention, I've been with pale women. It's just a preference. I'd never say, "I don't find pale women attractive."

But you did just say you don't find pale skin attractive. You said you didn't like it. Also, the edit sounds awfully similar to the racist guy that loudly proclaims "but I have black friends!"

I still haven't heard a logical reason why people should need to explain any sort of reasoning for being attracted to what they are. As the thread has pointed out by various posters. It's equal parts social and cultural conditioning, and a little bit of who the fuck knows thrown in for good measure. Sometimes we just like or don't like certain things when it comes to measuring physical attractiveness, there doesn't need to be any strange reasoning involving inappropriate analogies.

 

[Yado]

But you did just say you don't find pale skin attractive. You said you didn't like it. Also, the edit sounds awfully similar to the racist guy that loudly proclaims "but I have black friends!"

I still haven't heard a logical reason why people should need to explain any sort of reasoning for being attracted to what they are. As the thread has pointed out by various posters. It's equal parts social and cultural conditioning, and a little bit of who the fuck knows thrown in for good measure. Sometimes we just like or don't like certain things when it comes to measuring physical attractiveness, there doesn't need to be any strange reasoning involving inappropriate analogies.

When you think of things in life you don't like don't you have a reason for not liking these things?

 

[IceCold]

That's a very good reason to not like white skin. Also freckles are more noticeable, so that's a huge disadvange.

I still like blondes the most.

Freckles can be hot dude.

 

[RockTurtle]

Freckles can be hot dude.

so can scat, to some people

Spoiler

PS I love freckles, but it's all subjective

 

[Eidan]

But you did just say you don't find pale skin attractive. You said you didn't like it. Also, the edit sounds awfully similar to the racist guy that loudly proclaims "but I have black friends!"

I still haven't heard a logical reason why people should need to explain any sort of reasoning for being attracted to what they are. As the thread has pointed out by various posters. It's equal parts social and cultural conditioning, and a little bit of who the fuck knows thrown in for good measure. Sometimes we just like or don't like certain things when it comes to measuring physical attractiveness, there doesn't need to be any strange reasoning involving inappropriate analogies.

I said I don't personally like very pale skin. I then said that that is not the same as saying "I don't find pale women attractive", as I have been attracted to pale women. Do you feel I'm being inconsistent?

As for why people should be able to explain their reasoning behind their attractions? I feel the less you are able to articulate why you are attracted to something, the more likely that attraction or lack there of can be attributed to the culture you grew up in. That's all. And honestly, I'm surprised that you think it's absurd to expect someone to be able to explain their own tastes.

 

[Mistel]

Freckles can be hot dude.

Yep they are take Aja Warren for example or Faye Reagan.

 

[OrangeJulius]

When you think of things in life you don't like don't you have a reason for not liking these things?

Depends on the thing obviously.

For example if I was to say I don't like bees because I'm allergic to them and getting stung hurts really bad that would make total sense to you. It's logical, there is a cause and effect. The bees cause me pain, the cause, hence I don't like them, the effect.

So much of sexuality and attractiveness is subjective and can't be measured in a lab and studied. Some of it can.

It's like asking a gay person why they are attracted to the same sex. They just are, you might get the occasional gay man that breaks it down by saying "ew vaginas lol" but I'd venture a guess and say the vast majority can't explain their sexuality that simply. Trying to break it down into reasons we can all understand seems highly, highly unlikely.

 

[Eidan]

Depends on the thing obviously.

For example if I was to say I don't like bees because I'm allergic to them and getting stung hurts really bad that would make total sense to you. It's logical, there is a cause and effect. The bees cause me pain, the cause, hence I don't like them, the effect.

So much of sexuality and attractiveness is subjective and can't be measured in a lab and studied. Some of it can.

It's like asking a gay person why they are attracted to the same sex. They just are, you might get the occasional gay man that breaks it down by saying "ew vaginas lol" but I'd venture a guess and say the vast majority can't explain their sexuality that simply. Trying to break it down into reasons we can all understand seems highly, highly unlikely.

I'd say the answer is likely genetic in this circumstance.

 

[Figboy79]

Yep they are take Aja Warren for example or Faye Reagan.

God I love Faye Reagan.

I find red hair and freckles incredibly sexy. Of course, I just find attractive women attractive. Who knew?

I can definitely explain what I find attractive about women:

The obvious first: Feminine features. I like shapely hips and behind, breasts (big or small doesn't matter, but I prefer anything B and up, but it's not a deal breaker if they're As), expressive eyes and lips.

That's about it, actually. Personality, skin color, ethnicity, height, weight, etc is taken on an individual basis. I certainly don't turn anyone away because they're black, white, Asian, Pakistani, etc, etc. There are too many beautiful people in this world for me to dismiss an entire ethnicity because of a few that I didn't particularly find attractive on an individual level. I mean, I've certainly had conversations with friends that go, "God damn, Brazilian women are fucking hot!" but in truth, I'm not actually excluding other women from that equation, because, well shit, I've seen fucking hot women from all corners of the globe. And forgive me for saying, if I could, I'd date/screw them all.

I admit that, growing up in Wisconsin, where the interracial couple makeup was a lot smaller than it is here in Los Angeles, I never imagined I'd have married a white woman. Interracial dating/marriages in Milwaukee were kind of frowned upon growing up. I definitely had my fair share of white girls turn me down because "I don't want to date a black guy," or "I'm just not into black guys," or, "If I brought a black guy home, my parents would disown me." So I just stuck to dating black girls or mixed girls.

I moved out to Los Angeles and met all different manner of women, and dated a few non-black girls, and eventually met my wife. When I look at her, I don't see her as being a white woman, but I do love it when I'm holding her in my arms, and my brown skin (I'm actually pretty light brown truth told), is contrasted against her pale skin. I think it looks lovely. But in the end, it doesn't really matter to me, because who she is is why I love her to begin with. Her ethnicity was never a concern when we started dating.

 

[Yado]

Depends on the thing obviously.

For example if I was to say I don't like bees because I'm allergic to them and getting stung hurts really bad that would make total sense to you. It's logical, there is a cause and effect. The bees cause me pain, the cause, hence I don't like them, the effect.

So much of sexuality and attractiveness is subjective and can't be measured in a lab and studied. Some of it can.

It's like asking a gay person why they are attracted to the same sex. They just are, you might get the occasional gay man that breaks it down by saying "ew vaginas lol" but I'd venture a guess and say the vast majority can't explain their sexuality that simply. Trying to break it down into reasons we can all understand seems highly, highly unlikely.

Do you think this would apply to someone who says they're willing to hire any race but black people because they're black people? Would you chalk it up to this person being born this way with no particular reason for taking this stance?
No racism, no stereotyping, no prejudice, just a preference?

 

[OrangeJulius]

I'd say the answer is likely genetic in this circumstance.

Maybe so, but it's completely irrelevant, which is my point in all this. A gay person has absolutely no obligation to explain why they are attracted to anyone. Anecdotal story time, I once had a gay friend who literally said he became gay the first time he smelled a vagina, no joke.

Nobody has to have a reason for their attractions or lack of.

Do you think this would apply to someone who says they're willing to hire any race but black people because they're black people? Would you chalk it up to this person being born this way with no particular reason for taking this stance?
No racism, no stereotyping, no prejudice, just a preference?

You are taking the conversation off a cliff. We are talking about physical attractiveness here. That is a discussion for a whole other thread.

 

[RockTurtle]

You are taking the conversation off a cliff. We are talking about physical attractiveness here. That is a discussion for a whole other thread.

well given some of the responses i've read here, it seems to me like some people think "you don't find me attractive. thus you might be racist. if you weren't race wouldn't even be a factor"

cause race is all physical

 

[Sneds]

And you're looping back to the inherent weakness I highlighted in my post. There exists infinite media, infinite sources and everyone has finite time. A trope only has power if the viewer chooses to subscribe to it and act upon it.

How? Without a control group there can be no certainty as to cause, only a presumption. To engender certainty one has to be able to eliminate all other potential influences.

But some media outlets have more influence than others, and therefore more of an impact on people's attitudes towards certain groups. For example, in the UK, the Sun newspaper has a massive daily readership. As a newspaper it has a claim to authority and many people believe what they read in it. They wouldn't buy it otherwise. It also has a right-wing agenda. I feel confident that I affects people's outlook on society and towards certain groups in society. But ultimately I can't 'prove' that in a quantifiable way.

Not everything can be nicely fit into the scientific method. Culture isn't quantifiable. You can't always have a control group. If you believe that to "engender certainty one has to be able to eliminate all other potential influences" then you're going to have to dispense with a lot of human knowledge including the entirety of the study of history.

 

[Yado]

Maybe so, but it's completely irrelevant, which is my point in all this. A gay person has absolutely no obligation to explain why they are attracted to anyone. Anecdotal story time, I once had a gay friend who literally said he became gay the first time he smelled a vagina, no joke.

Nobody has to have a reason for their attractions or lack of.



You are taking the conversation off a cliff. We are talking about physical attractiveness here. That is a discussion for a whole other thread.

Why not? They're both about exclusion based solely on race. I think it's closer to the subject at hand than your gay analogy.

 

[Eidan]

Maybe so, but it's completely irrelevant, which is my point in all this. A gay person has absolutely no obligation to explain why they are attracted to anyone. Anecdotal story time, I once had a gay friend who literally said he became gay the first time he smelled a vagina, no joke.

Nobody has to have a reason for their attractions or lack of.

Have to? No. But an inability to explain them is just pretty telling to me, as I noted earlier.

If someone tells me they don't like dark skin, and can only shrug when I ask why not, like I said, I think it says something about the culture in which they grew up.

Seriously, is explaining why you're attracted to something that fucking tough to some people? I don't like very thin women. Why? Low body fat is a characteristic I attribute to men, as men typically have less body fat than women. So I associate thinness to physical masculinity, and curves to physical femininity. There are limits to how much "femininity" in this circumstance, that I will be attracted to though. Typically all is good as long as the stomach does not extend beyond the breasts. "But Eidan, what about athletic women with low body fat? Do you not find them attractive?" I do, as strength is attractive, but I probably won't take notice as quickly to an athletic woman as I would your average woman with a nice plump ass.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Why not? They're both about exclusion based solely on race. I think it's closer to the subject at hand than your gay analogy.

Being physically attracted to someone or not is a completely different realm than discussing whether you would or would not hire someone because of race. You can't control what you are attracted too, otherwise gay people wouldn't be gay if they could just flip a switch and be straight.

Have to? No. But an inability to explain them is just pretty telling to me, as I noted earlier.

If someone tells me they don't like dark skin, can only shrug when I ask why not, like I said, I think it says something about the culture in which they grew up.

Seriously, is explaining why you're attracted to something that fucking tough to some people? I don't like very thin women. Why? Low body fat is a characteristic I attribute to men, as men typically have less body fat than women. So I associate thinness to physical masculinity, and curves to physical femininity. There are limits to how much "femininity" in this circumstance, that I will be attracted to though. Typically all is good as long as the stomach does not extend beyond the breasts. "But Eidan, what about athletic women with low body fat? Do you not find them attractive?" I do, as strength is attractive, but I probably won't take notice as quickly to an athletic woman as I would your average woman with a nice plump ass.

I don't know what to tell you. We clearly have different philosophies and won't be changing each others minds. I don't feel like innate preferences over certain physical features need to be explained in such a detailed why as you just did. I personally find attractive all sorts of people and don't categorize them into "too skinny, must be masculine" types and so on. I find it very strange and puzzling that you do that, much like you obviously are puzzled by my thinking.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Being physically attracted to someone or not is a completely different realm than discussing whether you would or would not hire someone because of race. You can't control what you are attracted too, otherwise gay people wouldn't be gay if they could just flip a switch and be straight.

...I see

 

[Yado]

Being physically attracted to someone or not is a completely different realm than discussing whether you would or would not hire someone because of race. You can't control what you are attracted too, otherwise gay people wouldn't be gay if they could just flip a switch and be straight.

um

So writing off an entire race is only acceptable in some circumstances, if you can choose not to then that's bad but if you were just born prejudiced then that's fine. Got it.

 

[OrangeJulius]

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So writing off an entire race is only acceptable in some circumstances, if you can choose not to then that's bad but if you were just born prejudiced then that's fine. Got it.

You are jumping to way, way far away conclusions. Who is talking about writing off a race of people? A person having physical characteristics they find sexually attractive and prefer in their chosen mates does not equal racism. But if you choose to see it that way, I can't change your mind.

We are talking about simple aesthetically pleasing traits that we find sexually attractive. Not hating people for ethnic background.

 

[theignoramus]

otherwise gay people wouldn't be gay if they could just flip a switch and be straight.

you say this like every gay person has some sort of repressed desire to be straight.

But to your point, I dont accept the idea that what you're attracted to is set in stone. Countless people with rigid, shallow perspectives on beauty and attractiveness have had an evolution of opinion on the matter.