I rewatched the Star Wars prequels for the first time in years ..

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The strange thing is, something crazy must have happened to Lucas between the PT and the OT. He basically WAS just and ideas man for those. He didn't like directing and was very adamant of others working on scripts too.

To go from that to controlling EVERYTHING in the PT... There's obviously some kind of either power trip or "duty" to fans going on.
 
I remember liking the Tatooine-scenes that were ripped off from Ben-Hur in Episode 1. I also remember liking the detective scenes that led up to the clones in Episode 2. In Episode 3 I don't remember liking a single thing.
 
I hope for your sake you get your wish.. but for me personally, the Clone Wars are literally the only place I do not want to see again for a good long while. Between the latter two prequels and 2 different cartoon series, that's where we've spent the last 12 years of Star Wars... it's such an incredibly small part of the universe too.

But it's huge armies of faceless clones fighting huge armies of droids... what could be more exciting than that?!
 
The strange thing is, something crazy must have happened to Lucas between the PT and the OT. He basically WAS just and ideas man for those. He didn't like directing and was very adamant of others working on scripts too.

To go from that to controlling EVERYTHING in the PT... There's obviously some kind of either power trip or "duty" to fans going on.

I think the OT was a whirlwind for him, establishing ILM, having to be in so many places at once, sequels needing to come on a timely basis.... He probably needed to pass the torch out of necessity.

But the PT was him sitting fat and pretty on his throne at head of his Empire, making his movies when he was good and ready, and it took him 16 years to get there. It was probably an ideal situation for him to make the movies he wanted... but a pity for us that what we loved about Star Wars was built with others' input.

But it's huge armies of faceless clones fighting huge armies of droids... what could be more exciting than that?!

Tell me you're saying that with knowing sarcasm ;)
 
I hope for your sake you get your wish.. but for me personally, the Clone Wars are literally the only place I do not want to see again for a good long while. Between the latter two prequels and 2 different cartoon series, that's where we've spent the last 12 years of Star Wars... it's such an incredibly small part of the universe too.

Personally, I agree, but if there's one movie that was going to be set in The Clone Wars era, this is the one I would want. Just because Obi Wan is such a fantastic character, and Ewan Mcgregor is one of my favorite actors and looks like what young Obi Wan would like at that age.
 
Personally, I agree, but if there's one movie that was going to be set in The Clone Wars era, this is the one I would want. Just because Obi Wan is such a fantastic character, and Ewan Mcgregor is one of my favorite actors and looks like what young Obi Wan would like at that age.

I'm really turned off by Ewan Obi Wan... BUT that's because of the story of the prequels coloring my impression. Ewan himself is a great actor.. so if he were to return in a film that really utilized his talents and could really redeem himself in the role, I'd be down.
 
I'm really turned off by Ewan Obi Wan... BUT that's because of the story of the prequels coloring my impression. Ewan himself is a great actor.. so if he were to return in a film that really utilized his talents and could really redeem himself in the role, I'd be down.

He never really got much of a character in the prequels except for "guy who doesn't really like what's going on" - that's about it. I think the closest he got to being an actual character was Attack of the Clones, where he was a detective. But even then - it was sorta thrown away (as was most of the movie)

And I'm only through Season 3 of The Clone Wars - but he's not much better there. He's kind of an arrogant asshole even when he's the nicest guy on the screen.

The longer I stick around in the Prequel Era, the less I like either Anakin OR Obi-Wan. They're just not written to be endearing in the least. And I get WHY they're not, but there's gotta be a better way to write these guys to end up at their tragic endpoints.
 
Does anybody even understand the logic of The Clone Wars? In AOTC, Obi Wan is sent on the path of an assassin (Jango Fett). Then he stumbles onto the giant cloning facility on Kamino. Apparently some Sifodias guy placed a huge order for clones. No idea who this Sifodias guy is. It feels like part of a huge sinister conspiracy. And then at the end of the movie... they just decide to appropriate and use all these clones as their Republic army to fight off the droids. And it's all perfectly accepted. Nobody cares who had the clones cloned in the first place. Nobody cares about Sifodias. It's just... "Hey, accept that now we have these clones working for us, and they're the good guys. It all makes sense."

WTF?

It's like if right after 9/11, we start going to war with the Taliban. And then... we somehow discover a bunch of high tech robotic drones that were constructed by some mysterious guy named "Osomo." And we don't know who he is or what he wanted to do. But we decide to just incorporate all these drones into our military, with them fighting by our side in Afghanistan, as well as guarding all our important installations in the United States. We just own them now, and it's totally cool.

Who would agree to this? How would this be an acceptable course of action to anyone?

Complaints like this are the complaints I see thrown around about the prequels that grate on my nerves and seem like reaching. Did you miss the entire plot? It was a massive conspiracy theory planned out by Sidious.
 
Yeah they really suck, though tbh I'm kind of just done with Star Wars after seeing all of them a billion times especially when they air on Spike TV. If I had to rank all the Lucas stuff I'd go for...

V > VI > IV > Clone Wars tv series > III > Clone Wars movie >>> I >>>>>>>> II
 
Did you miss the entire plot? It was a massive conspiracy theory planned out by Sidious.

He obviously understands what the plot is SUPPOSED to be. He's just pointing out that it doesn't seem feasible. Or good. It barely makes sense. It works because it has to work, not because the machine is actually operational.

To make a gaming analogy, the plotting is a lot like setting up a busted dev-kit and running a blu-ray of what you want the footage to look like. You wind up with good images coming out of a box that has no way of actually creating them internally.
 
No, that happened in Jedi too. Part of Death Star II's space battle is just tracked Trench Run music, for example.

I know which one you're talking about, but I'm 99% sure that that's re-recorded, because there's a part where there was a trumpet that flubbed a note that wasn't in Star Wars.

The main point of this whole thing is that re-using recordings, especially in movies where the music is as important as Star Wars, it comes across as cheap and almost fanfilm-ish.
 
Complaints like this are the complaints I see thrown around about the prequels that grate on my nerves and seem like reaching. Did you miss the entire plot? It was a massive conspiracy theory planned out by Sidious.

How does that conspiracy work exactly? What if Obi-Wan hadn't found those clones? What id the Jedi council voted against using them in war? For everything to work out as it did in the movies, everything had to work perfectly. Every guy working for Palpatine had to be incompetent and lose their fights with the main Jedis in order for the plot to work. And the Jedi council had to be full of idiots who never question anything that happened.

Sure, Palpatine could have controlled everything with force, but that's just a "wizard did it" answer. A space wizard.
 
He never really got much of a character in the prequels except for "guy who doesn't really like what's going on" - that's about it. I think the closest he got to being an actual character was Attack of the Clones, where he was a detective. But even then - it was sorta thrown away (as was most of the movie)

And I'm only through Season 3 of The Clone Wars - but he's not much better there. He's kind of an arrogant asshole even when he's the nicest guy on the screen.

The longer I stick around in the Prequel Era, the less I like either Anakin OR Obi-Wan. They're just not written to be endearing in the least. And I get WHY they're not, but there's gotta be a better way to write these guys to end up at their tragic endpoints.

As my good friend GentlemanCrow alluded to earlier in the thread, use X-Men: First Class as a model for their friendship. We watched it together recently, and while it is a very solid if unremarkable film overall, it nails Xavier and Magneto's brotherly relationship perfectly and manages to do more in one film than the prequels did in three.

Some observations/ideas:

- James McAvoy as Xavier would be an ideal young Obi Wan type- effortlessly mature and classy even in youth, but warm and possessing a cheeky sense of humour. He even looks like he could be a young Alec Guinness when bearded.

- Michael Fassbender as Magneto is a physically imposing man in his prime (a la Vader), nomadic, a man of few words but innately sympathetic and likeable. Fassbender is masculine and has shown that he has the acting chops to suddenly and convincingly turn "bad" within the space of one film- perfect for Anakin (although this turn should ideally span two films).

- Anakin is an adult and has a dark past from the off, like Magneto. Replace the Nazi camp with a slaver camp, and only allude to it sparingly. Like First Class or Star Trek '09, Anakin's troubled childhood could perhaps be addressed in a brief prologue and then cut to present day. We don't need to dwell on it.

- Anakin could initially be on a quest to hunt down his former slaver and exact his revenge. He has had inexplicable force powers since childhood and works as a smuggler in adulthood.

- Obi Wan crosses paths with Anakin and helps him to develop his burgeoning force powers as a Jedi in Episode I, but cautions him not to seek revenge. He offers support and guidance, but he is his equal, not a disciplinarian.

- Anakin is seduced by the Emperor and fully buys into his ideology. He is not tricked.

- By the end of Episode II, Anakin is Vader and wears the familiar black costume sans helmet, breathing mask and chest panel in battle. Through Episode III, he works on behalf of the Emperor. Obi Wan has been aware of this for some time, and faces his old friend as a last resort. He confronts him and eventually defeats him on Mustafar, knocking him into sulphuric waste or such like, the toxic fumes impairing his breathing. Obi Wan is chased away by Imperial forces that arrive on the scene, as Vader crawls out of the waste and is rescued by the Emperor. The helmet and breathing mask are organic and essential additions to his suit.

One of the biggest caveats with the above proposal is to not merely transplant First Class's tone (which is sombre and naturalistic and would be inappropriate for Star Wars), but approximate the general feel of Xavier and Magneto's relationship dynamic in that film. You'd have to tackle an innately dark character like Anakin with care and maintain enough levity and snappy banter throughout these alternate prequels to make it consistent in tone with OT.
 
He never really got much of a character in the prequels except for "guy who doesn't really like what's going on" - that's about it. I think the closest he got to being an actual character was Attack of the Clones, where he was a detective. But even then - it was sorta thrown away (as was most of the movie)

And I'm only through Season 3 of The Clone Wars - but he's not much better there. He's kind of an arrogant asshole even when he's the nicest guy on the screen.

The longer I stick around in the Prequel Era, the less I like either Anakin OR Obi-Wan. They're just not written to be endearing in the least. And I get WHY they're not, but there's gotta be a better way to write these guys to end up at their tragic endpoints.

That's definitely how I feel. I don't like either character, Anakin or Obi-Wan. They come across like arrogant, spoiled aristocrats.

Alec Guiness Obi-Wan though... loved that dude.
 

You should have written the prequels. Seriously, well done. That's what the prequels needed to do - introduce Anakin when he's older, allude to a troubled past, and focus more on developing the friendship between him and Obi-Wan as well as Anakin's time as Vader.

But of course by doing that you wouldn't get to make all the Clone Wars stuff as well as EU stories set between ROTS and ANH regarding Vader's time hunting down Jedi. ;)

I would have loved to see Vader as you describe - black suit sans breathing and life support systems. I also wish he had been closer to Obi-Wan's age, as the OT had seemingly suggested before the prequel development.
 
I liked some of the "artier" moments of episode 3.

I like the opera house scene.

Padme's funeral was amazing, too bad it was so short.

Also I think Anakin's and Obi-Wan's battle would have been so much better if they had different color light sabers.
 
The internet makes them sound like cancer-inducing childkillers. They aren't. They're just pretty shitty movies.

This. As a kid the only thing I remember is Darth Maul, something about Anakin and Padme being at the beach and slaughtering sand people and the entire second half of episode 3.

I actually fell asleep watching episode 2 TWICE. It took me a few years to watch it even as a kid.

I didn't see the original trilogy because the special effects where shit but a few years later I stumbled onto episode 4 and had a pretty enjoyable time. The drop in quality is ridiculous.

They are really shitty movies, like really bad. I can't understand how anyone liked them.

The clone wars show however is fantastic. I really like Anakin as a character and Obi-Wan is so fantastic.
 
I havn't watched the prequels since the time they first came out on dvd. I keep meaning to as i have watched iv, v and vi a few times since 2004.
 
The strange thing is, something crazy must have happened to Lucas between the PT and the OT. He basically WAS just and ideas man for those. He didn't like directing and was very adamant of others working on scripts too.

To go from that to controlling EVERYTHING in the PT... There's obviously some kind of either power trip or "duty" to fans going on.

Lucas got a serious girlfriend. No joke. And now he's like, 'ain't got time for this Star Wars shit anymore'
 
Also I think Anakin's and Obi-Wan's battle would have been so much better if they had different color light sabers.

Two blue sabers against each other is one of the best things about the fight.

I do agree that the opera scene is great though. Best scene in the movie.
 
Well about Attack of the Clones, at that time, the CGI was still progressing. I mean Spiderman came out around that time, and to me it shows it's age too. I agree that AOTC had alot of problems CGI, but there were alot of great uses of CGI in that movie too. I really liked the chase scene in the beginning of the movie, the fight with Jango Fett at Kamino. I agree that Yoda didn't look that good. But I loved that fight between Count Dooku and Yoda. Also, Revenge of the Sith they really improved his CGI model in that movie. I thought that the war on Geonosis looked outdated. The clones themselves looked very CGI. I feel that in Revenge of the Sith, the clones looked much better. Also, what improved in that movie CGI wise, is the worlds. They all look stunning to me, with my favorite being Kashyyyk and Felucia.

Also, the thing about Attack of the Clones is that it was one of the first major films to be shot digitally, and the cameras that they used were primitive compared to today (I believe it only had 2K resolution), which is probably one of the reason why the visuals don't hold up today. For Revenge of the Sith, Lucas use a more advanced camera, and as a result, the visuals and effects work look a lot better than AOTC.
 
Also, the thing about Attack of the Clones is that it was one of the first major films to be shot digitally, and the cameras that they used were primitive compared to today (I believe it only had 2K resolution), which is probably one of the reason why the visuals don't hold up today. For Revenge of the Sith, Lucas use a more advanced camera, and as a result, the visuals and effects work look a lot better than AOTC.

Well, that actually explains alot. One of the reasons why I'm looking forward to Episode VII is due to the advancement to CGI. I just want the movie to be it's own thing than a retread of the original trilogy. I know nothing's really known about the film, but I want new planets, and I really really hope it's not just Hoth and Tatooine. I'm still keeping an open mind towards it, but I just hope as I said before that J J takes some risks. I want the sequel trilogy to be it's own thing like the original trilogy and prequel trilogy were different from each other. Even than, I'm just happy there's a new Star Wars movie coming out.
 
I just rewatched EP1 for the first time in a long while and holy shit, I didn't think it was nearly as bad as I remembered. It was totally watchable. I guess the reputation it has gotten really did make me go in with REALLY low expectations. The only thing I really didn't like was the Gungans and your Jar Jar moments. But I remember EP2 being much worse than this was. I need to rewatch that one too but it has always been my least favourite.

edit: and while I think Anakin is passable for a kid actor ect. his role in the last part when he gets on the ship is stoopid. Instead of showing him being a naturally great pilot like in the pod race he just bumbles on that one and happens to blow the baddies megaship by accident. ZZZ
 
As my good friend GentlemanCrow alluded to earlier in the thread, use X-Men: First Class as a model for their friendship. We watched it together recently, and while it is a very solid if unremarkable film overall, it nails Xavier and Magneto's brotherly relationship perfectly and manages to do more in one film than the prequels did in three.

Some observations/ideas:

- James McAvoy as Xavier would be an ideal young Obi Wan type- effortlessly mature and classy even in youth, but warm and possessing a cheeky sense of humour. He even looks like he could be a young Alec Guinness when bearded.

- Michael Fassbender as Magneto is a physically imposing man in his prime (a la Vader), nomadic, a man of few words but innately sympathetic and likeable. Fassbender is masculine and has shown that he has the acting chops to suddenly and convincingly turn "bad" within the space of one film- perfect for Anakin (although this turn should ideally span two films).

- Anakin is an adult and has a dark past from the off, like Magneto. Replace the Nazi camp with a slaver camp, and only allude to it sparingly. Like First Class or Star Trek '09, Anakin's troubled childhood could perhaps be addressed in a brief prologue and then cut to present day. We don't need to dwell on it.

- Anakin could initially be on a quest to hunt down his former slaver and exact his revenge. He has had inexplicable force powers since childhood and works as a smuggler in adulthood.

- Obi Wan crosses paths with Anakin and helps him to develop his burgeoning force powers as a Jedi in Episode I, but cautions him not to seek revenge. He offers support and guidance, but he is his equal, not a disciplinarian.

- Anakin is seduced by the Emperor and fully buys into his ideology. He is not tricked.

- By the end of Episode II, Anakin is Vader and wears the familiar black costume sans helmet, breathing mask and chest panel in battle. Through Episode III, he works on behalf of the Emperor. Obi Wan has been aware of this for some time, and faces his old friend as a last resort. He confronts him and eventually defeats him on Mustafar, knocking him into sulphuric waste or such like, the toxic fumes impairing his breathing. Obi Wan is chased away by Imperial forces that arrive on the scene, as Vader crawls out of the waste and is rescued by the Emperor. The helmet and breathing mask are organic and essential additions to his suit.

One of the biggest caveats with the above proposal is to not merely transplant First Class's tone (which is sombre and naturalistic and would be inappropriate for Star Wars), but approximate the general feel of Xavier and Magneto's relationship dynamic in that film. You'd have to tackle an innately dark character like Anakin with care and maintain enough levity and snappy banter throughout these alternate prequels to make it consistent in tone with OT.

he isn't completely tricked by palpatine. He intends to use him to save padme and then remove him from power with Padme and him taking over. There is some manipulation from Palpatine in his losing faith in the jedi but quite a bit of his disillusionment comes from his own disagreements with them.
 
Just rewatch the originals, in order. Don't watch anything else, it's not worth the hassle.

Watch 4-6, then 1-3. Make up your own mind. For what it's worth I think all the movies have bad acting and writing, and I firmly believe that if the original movies came out today everyone would openly shit all over them.

I would honestly say do...

Episode 1, then The Clone Wars tv series, then Ep 3, 4, 5, 6.

Just wiki what you need to know for the tv show. Which while the show does start out slow, get's VERY good.
Thanks guys! I talked with my GF and she wants to watch all of them, so no escaping the prequels for me. We started with New Hope, I think we're doing 4-5-6, then 1-2-3. She doesn't seem too interested in Clone Wars, our schedules don't sync up very well so trying to watch it together would be a complete nightmare. I'll probably have to cruise through that stuff on my own.

The realy question should be, holy shit you work at Lego?
Hahaha yeah I work at the Glendale Lego store. Hopefully some day I can get a gig doing design or something *__*

4 5 6

ignore the prequels. if you must watch them, watch them after the original trilogy. also, try to find the 2006 DVDs with the original, theatrical versions of the films, unless you like bad cgi in movies from the 70s/80s.

I only had access to the BluRays :\ She was amazed at the picture quality but I don't think she had ever even seen the Special Editions before because she was PISSED at all the new CGI crap they poured all over it.
 
You should have written the prequels. Seriously, well done. That's what the prequels needed to do - introduce Anakin when he's older, allude to a troubled past, and focus more on developing the friendship between him and Obi-Wan as well as Anakin's time as Vader.

But of course by doing that you wouldn't get to make all the Clone Wars stuff as well as EU stories set between ROTS and ANH regarding Vader's time hunting down Jedi. ;)

I would have loved to see Vader as you describe - black suit sans breathing and life support systems. I also wish he had been closer to Obi-Wan's age, as the OT had seemingly suggested before the prequel development.

Hey, cheers. Regarding the Vader suit, it would just make more sense for Anakin to have worn a basic version of it (again, no helmet or life support) prior to his accident for the dual purposes of protection and theatrical intimidation. Why would the Emperor have the fully-formed Vader suit just lying around to be immediately grafted onto Anakin in the rare event that he got burnt? It is too specific and unique a costume to have come out of thin air- you can almost imagine a bunch of nervous Imperial graphic designers presenting their ideas to a bored-looking Emperor around the time of Episode II.

To make yet another comparison to First Class, the shock of seeing Magneto in his full goofy regalia at the end of the film is somewhat mitigated by the fact that we have already seen Sebastian Shaw (coincidence) wearing the helmet to block out Xavier's psychic powers, which is explained to be made for this purpose by the Russians. In other words, the helmet is given dramatic significance in the story, and it isn't such a leap to assume Magneto wears the helmet of his former enemy to a) protect himself from Xavier and b) symbolically humiliate Shaw by adopting his clothing. The origins of Vader's iconic costume could have been similarly explained in a few lines of exposition, or even had some minor narrative significance.
 
You should have written the prequels. Seriously, well done. That's what the prequels needed to do - introduce Anakin when he's older, allude to a troubled past

I like the contrast of seeing Anakin when he's a kid and then seeing him burn to a crisp too much to agree.
 
The prequels could have been amazing too, it just sucks that there's so much wasted potential.

I really hope they don't give the old Star Wars characters too much to do in the new trilogy. Nostalgia should be an easter egg, not a drawcard. Start a new adventure with new characters for a new generation.
 
Rewatching Ep 2 now, about halfway through and it is so much worse than Ep 1 it's not even funny. Anakin is friggin creepy and annoying. I get that he is supposed to be a more rebellious Jedi but he feels like a guy who would be kicked out from the order in a few months :lol.

Jar Jar gets too much hate. Anakin at his worst is the true low point of prequels.
 
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