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[diaspora]

If only there were mutants or avengers in this universe who could have popped in to help.

The Sinister Six have beaten the Avengers before anyway.

 

[Zeyphersan]

The "any volunteer gets an Oscorp mech suit" foreshadowing of the Sinister Six is such a cop out of potential origins. It's really a shame.

Everything to do with Richard Parker should be excised from this series. Not only is it boring, it's also confusing as all hell and completely unnecessary. The origin of Spider Man is able to be so simple: Student gets bit by radioactive spider on field trip. This movie adds layers and layers of garbage onto that.

Electro should've also been eliminated from this movie. The entirety of the character was incredibly cheesy. (Also where did Electro get that sweet outfit when he and Harry teamed up? It had a lightning bolt on it and everything?)

Let's name all the movies where a nerd becomes a supervillain: Batman Forever / Batman and Robin, Iron Man 3, The Incredibles... any others?

Overall, this movie was pretty cool, but the individual parts were pretty bad.

The Richard Parker is something they drew from the Ultimate Spider-Man series, but they must have just heard about it without actually reading it, because in the comics he's only relevant for the beginning of the Venom stuff, before falling back into his rightful place of "doesn't even matter."

I'm convinced that this movie would have been 200% better without Electro. He was so poorly mishandled (not that I consider Electro a top-tier villain anyway) that I struggle to think of which villain was worse, Electro or The Lizard from ASM1.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Why did they cut this out and put the Rhino suit in its place?

That's the symbiote, yeah?

 

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Let's name all the movies where a nerd becomes a supervillain: Batman Forever / Batman and Robin, Iron Man 3, The Incredibles... any others?

"Nerd turned supervillain" wasn't invented by Joel Schumaker, as people here have contended.

Superman 3 has Richard Pryor as a nerd/programmer.

Batman Returns has Michelle Pfeiffer as a nerdy secretary. Her transformation into Catwoman is equally as dumb and improbable as Electro's.

 

[mgarnica89]

For once in these superhero movies, i would like a villain that is evil. Not turned evil, no jealousy, no revenge... just evil. A bad person. A villain in which he/she would be a villain even if there was no superhero. Spider-man needs that.

 

[Zeyphersan]

For once in these superhero movies, i would like a villain that is evil. Not turned evil, no jealousy, no revenge... just evil. A bad person. A villain in which he/she would be a villain even if there was no superhero. Spider-man needs that.

Carnage, if I remember correctly

 

[brandonh83]

For once in these superhero movies, i would like a villain that is evil. Not turned evil, no jealousy, no revenge... just evil. A bad person. A villain in which he/she would be a villain even if there was no superhero. Spider-man needs that.

That almost describes Harry in this movie. He's a prick in every single scene he's in. Even when he's out skipping rocks with Peter, his dialogue and aura come off a bit... dark and brooding.

 

[Sorian]

The Sinister Six have beaten the Avengers before anyway.

And? In a world where Squirrel Girl has beaten Thanos, why would I care about anyone's track record against anyone else?

That almost describes Harry in this movie. He's a prick in every single scene he's in. Even when he's out skipping rocks with Peter, his dialogue and aura come off a bit... dark and brooding.

You need to get your eyes checked because he was only sending off bad vibes when Peter first showed up (which was because he was on edge being stuck with the douchebag brigade trying to take his company from him) and then not again until after Peter started having push back on the whole blood thing. There was no "dark and brooding" in between. Even past that Harry is still nothing like what you quoted, mortality staring him in this face was what made him evil not just because he was inherently evil.

 

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For once in these superhero movies, i would like a villain that is evil. Not turned evil, no jealousy, no revenge... just evil. A bad person. A villain in which he/she would be a villain even if there was no superhero. Spider-man needs that.

Isn't that essentially Joker in The Dark Knight?

It's pretty difficult to give supervillains interesting motivations, because most of them are smart or talented enough to amass a great deal of wealth on their own. It makes little sense for them to be robbing banks, or running minor crime syndicates. The only remotely believable motivations tend to be something involving their own mortality or someone else's mortality. Harry Osborne is trying to save his own life -- Mr. Freeze is trying to save his wife.

 

[brandonh83]

You need to get your eyes checked because he was only sending off bad vibes when Peter first showed up (which was because he was on edge being stuck with the douchebag brigade trying to take his company from him) and then not again until after Peter started having push back on the whole blood thing.

I could not disagree more. He felt like bad news the whole time to me. When he rolled up in the car and rolled down the window I could literally smell the asshole emanating from the car. Then his dad is like you're dying you little bitch, then the boardroom scene, then being an ass to Peter right off the bat, being completely unenthusiastic while they were hanging out, then it all spiraled out of control when Peter/Spider-man denied giving him the blood which IMO just pushed an alright off-kilter person over the edge.

I'm not saying he was purely evil from the get-go, but he was very snide to me the entire film.

 

[mgarnica89]

If somehow they could have Green Goblins identity unknown. It would have been perfect.

Imagine this, Gwen dies because of Goblin. Peter doesn't know that Harry is Goblin. Harry is even at Gwens funeral "consoling" peter. Imagine the setup for the next movie.

 

[Calamari41]

For once in these superhero movies, i would like a villain that is evil. Not turned evil, no jealousy, no revenge... just evil. A bad person. A villain in which he/she would be a villain even if there was no superhero. Spider-man needs that.

Loki is pretty close to this. Though he's not so much evil as just a massive asshole-ish troll.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Loki is such a shitty villain. I can't believe they've trotted him out as many times as they have (I can). The threat isn't there with him.

 

[Calamari41]

Loki is such a shitty villain. I can't believe they've trotted him out as many times as they have (I can). The threat isn't there with him.

Your thoughts on the quality of various MCU characters are well documented, but I am talking about his motivations.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Your thoughts on the quality of various MCU characters are well documented, but I am talking about his motivations.

I agree with you on his motivations.

 

[PBY]

I could not disagree more. He felt like bad news the whole time to me. When he rolled up in the car and rolled down the window I could literally smell the asshole emanating from the car. Then his dad is like you're dying you little bitch, then the boardroom scene, then being an ass to Peter right off the bat, being completely unenthusiastic while they were hanging out, then it all spiraled out of control when Peter/Spider-man denied giving him the blood which IMO just pushed an alright off-kilter person over the edge.

I'm not saying he was purely evil from the get-go, but he was very snide to me the entire film.

He was a rich yuppie. That's it.

He and Peter were super chill together.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

How can you be snide when hugging your long-lost bestie, followed by skipping stones?

Harry is the tragic hero of this film. Peter's a menace, getting girls killed and forcing council workers to clean up bridge-long love messages, spending the city's money.

 

[Killing_Joke]

I don't get the whole Harry using Peter stuff. It's not like he was asking him to chop off a limb or something. Just simply ask a dude he knows a question. The disease was clearly spreading at a fast rate and scaring the shit out of him. I would give him a pass for coming off as impatient or a little selfish.

 

[Zeyphersan]

How can you be snide when hugging your long-lost bestie, followed by skipping stones?

Harry is the tragic hero of this film. Peter's a menace, getting girls killed and forcing council workers to clean up bridge-long love messages, spending the city's money.

They dissolve....

Unless you were being sarcastic. In which case, I enjoy this post.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I don't get the whole Harry using Peter stuff. It's not like he was asking him to chop off a limb or something. Just simply ask a dude he knows a question. The disease was clearly spreading at a fast rate and scaring the shit out of him. I would give him a pass for coming off as impatient or a little selfish.

Yeah but if Peter agreed to let him sample his blood, Harry might find a cure. Or worse, he could get Spider-powers too and then he'd have competition for all that sweet Spider-Man loving pussy out there.

Whoops. He couldn't do that. In two hours I find out that my blood is special and that being Spider-Man is only available to me because of destiny-blood. Because that's important to know.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

They dissolve....

Unless you were being sarcastic. In which case, I enjoy this post.

Do they dissolve? So that rotor that Spider-Man fixed for the kid is going to break again like an hour later? Goddamn Peter's a cunt.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Why did they cut this out and put the Rhino suit in its place?

Is this real? What trailer is it from?

 

[Calamari41]

Let's be honest here people. Knowing that the spider venom created Spider-Man, and not knowing that it was genetically locked to only work on the Parker family... Who here would not inject that shit straight into their arm?

 

[Sorian]

I don't get the whole Harry using Peter stuff. It's not like he was asking him to chop off a limb or something. Just simply ask a dude he knows a question. The disease was clearly spreading at a fast rate and scaring the shit out of him. I would give him a pass for coming off as impatient or a little selfish.

No way man, he is a massive asshole through and through. Nothing to do with seeing the father that he has hated his entire life, learning that he has a stricter time limit on his life than most, having to play stupid corporate games with dickheads like his father, and getting the shaft from a friend and a super hero.

I could not disagree more. He felt like bad news the whole time to me. When he rolled up in the car and rolled down the window I could literally smell the asshole emanating from the car. Then his dad is like you're dying you little bitch, then the boardroom scene, then being an ass to Peter right off the bat, being completely unenthusiastic while they were hanging out, then it all spiraled out of control when Peter/Spider-man denied giving him the blood which IMO just pushed an alright off-kilter person over the edge.

I'm not saying he was purely evil from the get-go, but he was very snide to me the entire film.

I'm with you until the bolded then you completely ignore the fact that he stepped out of a bad situation and was still on guard and then everything is chill between old friends but that means unenthusiastic somehow now.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Do they dissolve? So that rotor that Spider-Man fixed for the kid is going to break again like an hour later? Goddamn Peter's a cunt.

Yeah, the rotor would dissolve. In fact, in the last scene the kid spins the rotor again, so either A) the kid knew it was temporary and fixed it himself, or B) the writers forgot that the webs dissolve and didn't give enough of a shit to fix it.

I'm going with B

 

[Sorian]

Let's be honest here people. Knowing that the spider venom created Spider-Man, and not knowing that it was genetically locked to only work on the Parker family... Who here would not inject that shit straight into their arm?

Uh me, I've seen enough in comics and movies to know that you become an awesome superhero who gets all the pussy if it happens accidently and you are a villian and treated like shit if you try to force the power.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Yeah, the rotor would dissolve. In fact, in the last scene the kid spins the rotor again, so either A) the kid knew it was temporary and fixed it himself, or B) the writers forgot that the webs dissolve and didn't give enough of a shit to fix it.

I'm going with B

The next film is set six years later, the kid sees Spidey in the streets and says Hi. Spider-Man doesn't remember him and the kid becomes Carnage.

 

[diaspora]

Let's be honest here people. Knowing that the spider venom created Spider-Man, and not knowing that it was genetically locked to only work on the Parker family... Who here would not inject that shit straight into their arm?

I'd be pretty hesitant about injecting a foreign substance into my blood- especially after what Connors did.

 

[Pavaloo]

I'm pretty sure near the end it showed that kid's rotor thing still with webs on it lol

The next film is set six years later, the kid sees Spidey in the streets and says Hi. Spider-Man doesn't remember him and the kid becomes Carnage.

:lol when I saw the "I Love You" on the bridge I thought it was going to set up someone feeling neglected by Spider-Man's lack of follow up messages. I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME?! *que venom*

 

[Calamari41]

Uh me, I've seen enough in comics and movies to know that you become an awesome superhero who gets all the pussy if it happens accidently and you are a villian and treated like shit if you try to force the power.

Hahaha, good point!

 

[MrBadger]

For once in these superhero movies, i would like a villain that is evil. Not turned evil, no jealousy, no revenge... just evil. A bad person. A villain in which he/she would be a villain even if there was no superhero. Spider-man needs that.

I'd be down for a movie about Carnage. I mean, Spiderman 3 nailed Venom perfectly, so we don't need to see him again.

 

[Zeyphersan]

The next film is set six years later, the kid sees Spidey in the streets and says Hi. Spider-Man doesn't remember him and the kid becomes Carnage.

$90 million opening weekend

I'm pretty sure near the end it showed that kid's rotor thing still with webs on it lol

Like I said, they don't give a shit

I'd be down for a movie about Carnage. I mean, Spiderman 3 nailed Venom perfectly, so we don't need to see him again.

We're going to have to agree to strongly disagree

 

[Sorian]

Uh me, I've seen enough in comics and movies to know that you become an awesome superhero who gets all the pussy if it happens accidently and you are a villian and treated like shit if you try to force the power.

Quoting myself because I realized Electro (and many of the other spider-man villians) were accidents as well but I was more talking about those people that are trying to become superpowered the way someone else did already. Anyway, Electro totally could have been a good guy in this movie, Spider-Man was ready for the team up when he met him. Imagine if they went for that curveball and gave Green Goblin all the screen time as the villian.

 

[diaspora]

Max was so goddamn unstable I can't possibly imagine him being an actual good guy for any longer than like a week.

 

[Calamari41]

Quoting myself because I realized Electro (and many of the other spider-man villians) were accidents as well but I was more talking about those people that are trying to become superpowered the way someone else did already. Anyway, Electro totally could have been a good guy in this movie, Spider-Man was ready for the team up when he met him. Imagine if they went for that curveball and gave Green Goblin all the screen time as the villian.

I think the thing is that people tend to turn into villains when injecting themselves or whatever because they do it hastily without thinking it through. The problem with the Harry thing, though, is that he would have turned into Spidey 2 if not for the genetic thing, which was kind of a cop out in my opinion. They should have had a serum that his scientists had just started testing that he injected against their advice.

 

[Pavaloo]

Yeah I was on Electro's side most of the time lol. They could've written him as an ally and then have him fuck off to Mars at the end of the movie like Dr Manhattan cause who cares anyway right.

 

[Sulik2]

Saw this last night. Overall I was surprised, a massive improvement over ASM1. Must better chemistry between Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone. Peter was much more likeable in this film. Spider-Man looked and move perfectly. Harry and the Green Goblin were absolutely perfect. Going to extremes to save his life actually gave him a motivation and he actually has a good reason to hate Spider-Man.I did have some complaints. I can't figure out it I thought Paul Giammati was incredibly stupid or hilariously awesome. The Richard Parker opening was actually pretty intense. They didn't whimp out on the Gwen Stacy death either. The score was awful. They tried to do a Tron esque score and failed miserably. I am not sure if the slow mo stuff was good or not, but it was a neat experiment to show off spider sense.

1) Max Dillon was a stupid, non-sensical character. If you edited this movie and removed Electro I am not even sure you would notice it was gone.

2) The Nazi Doctor was terrible.

3) The Richard Parker storyline had a bad conclusion, after the intro you needed to tease something major from the research Peter found. How were they planing to weaponize it? This is where something about symbiotes should have been mentioned. Instead it was just I didn't sell secrets and that was it.

4) In a post Winter Soldier soldier summer the actions scenes in this movie just don't cut it. The scenes we had looked kind of cool, but they lacked the impact and ferocity of the stuff we saw in WS. There was too little spidey action and the final Electro fight was just stupid. As soon as electro could go bodyless he should have been able to kill Spidey with ease. Goblin fight was pretty good though.

 

[diaspora]

I think the thing is that people tend to turn into villains when injecting themselves or whatever because they do it hastily without thinking it through. The problem with the Harry thing, though, is that he would have turned into Spidey 2 if not for the genetic thing, which was kind of a cop out in my opinion. They should have had a serum that his scientists had just started testing that he injected against their advice.

I don't think this in particular is that big of a cop out. While the movie does have writing issues the idea of someone with a genetic disease not taking well to a serum that affects normal human DNA all that unreasonable.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Yeah I was on Electro's side most of the time lol. They could've written him as an ally and then have him fuck off to Mars at the end of the movie like Dr Manhattan cause who cares anyway right.

When he started totally phasing in and out my thought was "Oh, it's Doctor Manhattan, brilliant."

 

[Calamari41]

I don't think this in particular is that big of a cop out. While the movie does have writing issues the idea of someone with a genetic disease not taking well to a serum that affects normal human DNA all that unreasonable.

I see what you're saying. The venom should have reacted poorly to his fucked-up genes, then. As it stands, though, the sole reason it didn't work is because it can only ever work on Peter, which comes across to me as something they added in at some point when they were trying to backpedal or something.

 

[Sorian]

I think the thing is that people tend to turn into villains when injecting themselves or whatever because they do it hastily without thinking it through. The problem with the Harry thing, though, is that he would have turned into Spidey 2 if not for the genetic thing, which was kind of a cop out in my opinion. They should have had a serum that his scientists had just started testing that he injected against their advice.

Destiny blood!

I think the explanation would have been less offensive if they had just come to a conclusion that a live spider needs to inject the venom in you. That's how bad I found their explanation to be. As much as I liked a lot of points of the film, there are times where the source material was not understood in the least.

 

[Calamari41]

Yeah it's not a huge deal and a bit of a nitpick, but it just made me roll my eyes because it made Peter's decision to not help the right one due to information he had no clue about.

 

[Sorian]

Yeah it's not a huge deal and a bit of a nitpick, but it just made me roll my eyes because it made Peter's decision to not help the right one due to information he had no clue about.

Peter can never be wrong or be blamed for any of his actions in this movie except for maybe the message to Gwen on the bridge but if that swayed her to stick around, she wasn't really going anywhere anyway.

 

[Pavaloo]

so if richard parker tested the venom with his own blood, is he also secretly a spider-man and secretly alive o: asm3 so hyp3

 

[Zeyphersan]

Peter can never be wrong or be blamed for any of his actions in this movie except for maybe the message to Gwen on the bridge but if that swayed her to stick around, she wasn't really going anywhere anyway.

She wasn't going to stick around, he was going to go to England with her

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

She wasn't going to stick around, he was going to go to England with her

Exactly.

He was going to do her the courtesy of putting her in danger in another country.

 

[Spinluck]

Yeah it's not a huge deal and a bit of a nitpick, but it just made me roll my eyes because it made Peter's decision to not help the right one due to information he had no clue about.

The blood wouldn't have been good for Harry, I am sure there were other ramifications to this as well. Like his blood being at the disposal of the villain factory.

so if richard parker tested the venom with his own blood, is he also secretly a spider-man and secretly alive o: asm3 so hyp3

Father son Spidey combo, vs father son Goblin combo.

Norman fakes his death, and Dick Parker was Jameson undercover the whole time watching over Peter.

 

[Quick]

so if richard parker tested the venom with his own blood, is he also secretly a spider-man and secretly alive o: asm3 so hyp3

He used his blood as the human component of the spiders, so the venom extracted only work within his own bloodline.

 

[diaspora]

He used his blood as the human component of the spiders, so the venom extracted only work within his own bloodline.

Clone Saga pls. If only for Kaine.

The blood wouldn't have been good for Harry, I am sure there were other ramifications to this as well. Like his blood being at the disposal of the villain factory.

Honestly, he'd have to be a massive chump to send a sample of his blood anywhere near Oscorp.

edit: This reminds me of when Mr. Negative almost uses a sample to make a gas made specifically for killing him.

So couldn't they just add the human blood of another person and replicate the formula with the venom they have and use it that way?

With the creator dead/missing idk if they can. It's like the Supersoldier serum which after 60+ years still hasn't been replicated and that wasn't even gene specific.

 

[Rojo]

He used his blood as the human component of the spiders, so the venom extracted only work within his own bloodline.

So couldn't they just add the human blood of another person and replicate the formula with the venom they have and use it that way?