The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marc’s Webb

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In Spider-Man 3, Peter does tell Harry that Norman killed himself. Harry tells him to shut up and keeps attacking him.

When Harry asks about Peter killing his father in SM2, Peter tells him there are bigger things happening right now then his and Harry's problems. Ock is about to blow up NYC and kill MJ. He doesn't have time to get into it with Harry right then.
 
Scullibundo said:
In Spider-Man 3, Peter does tell Harry that Norman killed himself. Harry tells him to shut up and keeps attacking him.

When Harry asks about Peter killing his father in SM2, Peter tells him there are bigger things happening right now then his and Harry's problems. Ock is about to blow up NYC and kill MJ. He doesn't have time to get into it with Harry right then.
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Peter lets Harry slip into a noticeable decline, for a long time, before saying anything. If Harry had been a living happy carefree life after Norman's death, then it's worth the secret. But when Harry is drinking himself half to death and obsessing over revenge because he thinks Spider-Man killed his father, then Pete's not helping anyone by keeping that secret.
 
You often see tv shows or movies where a character has a 'wall of obsession' with photos and things taped up. And you think, "This would never happen in real life."

This movie had two of those characters: Max's wall for Spider-Man and Peter's wall for his father.

Also, the music playing while Peter made his wall of insanity was bad, but the "Do I have to lose you too?" note to himself about Gwen was actually worse.
 
Blader said:
Peter lets Harry slip into a noticeable decline, for a long time, before saying anything. If Harry had been a living happy carefree life after Norman's death, then it's worth the secret. But when Harry is drinking himself half to death and obsessing over revenge because he thinks Spider-Man killed his father, then Pete's not helping anyone by keeping that secret.
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Agreed, but to be fair we don't know how long Peter waited to tell him after SM2's ending. I personally don't count Spider-Man 3 since it's garbage.
 
thecouncil said:
You often see tv shows or movies where a character has a 'wall of obsession' with photos and things taped up. And you think, "This would never happen in real life."

This movie had two of those characters: Max's wall for Spider-Man and Peter's wall for his father.

Also, the music playing while Peter made his wall of insanity was bad, but the "Do I have to lose you too?" note to himself about Gwen was actually worse.
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Oh man, I forgot about the music playing in that scene. LOL Webb.
 
thecouncil said:
...but I really just want someone to explain to me the point of the entire plane subplot at the end.

Maybe you guys forget but there were a lot of control tower scenes. There was a new woman character there...

What was that about? Who was that woman?

It was like I was watching another movie. ...wait... was I?
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Another bit that could have been either completely removed or replaced with something that was closer to the vicinity of the actual fight.
It was just, so out of fucking nowhere. Like it was from an entirely different film and I kept thinking Goblin or something was gonna show up as some sort of homage to Twilight Zone lol
 
Rhythm battle feat. Electro

I'll admit that was a creative use of dubstep, rest of the soundtrack was mediocre-to-"I wanted to cover my ears".
 
thecouncil said:
Or shoot Spider Man while he was just standing there talking to the kid...

The kid running out there was incredibly cheesy and nonsensical, but at least Spider-Man showed up and saved us from what could've been an even worse scene.

That was basically the movie in a nutshell: At least Spider Man showed up and saved us from an even worse scene.
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that scene was just insanely bad.
 
thecouncil said:
I did love some stuff though. Spider-Man and that kid in the alley, the opening scene with Spider-Man, the Times Square scene (confused about why Electro went from loving Spider Man to wanting to kill Spider-Man as Spider-Man never did anything wrong: was really nice, remembered his name, etc.) and, pretty much the last 20 minutes or so.
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Spidey needed to be reminded of his name. It was getting through to Max that he was just receiving one of Spider Man's signature stock phrases: he wasn't special, he wasn't needed.

I really loved the early character development of Electro, but it was kinda wasted as it went further into the movie.
 
I didn't really like how there was no opening title/logo, and I always hate stupid long CG emblems at the end of movies, like the one here and the one at the end of Catching Fire. Then again I also don't like when they drop the title of the movie before the end credits. Yes, I know what I just watched. That stuff is just really corny to me.

After the last shot cuts to black it should have just went straight to credits.
 
Just came from seeing it, it was actually pretty damn good. But I already enjoyed ASM1, so what the hell do I know.

Electro was just a weird character in general. He made for badass fight scenes but his Max backstory was extremely campy and his arc was completely overshadowed by Harry's presence in the film. He felt wedged in there between all the characters and subplots.

Oh my god there were a ton of subplots. The friendship between Harry and Peter, Harry's disease and fall into Green Goblin, Peter + Gwen, Aunt May and nurse school, Max's/Electro's character, creation of the Sinister Six, and the parents and investigation subplot. Am I missing anything else? That's a ton of movie to pack in. That they wanted to introduce MJ on top of all this the film would've physically burst into dust.

But as a whole I think it kept the plot rolling pretty well and the action scenes were top notch. I know I'm committing "sacrilege" on GAF by saying this, but I'm liking this series a lot more than the Raimi films.

Zeyphersan said:
Oh yeah, her scenes tipped over, but every other scene in that movie was so vital
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Those are just scenes. You're asking for them to add yet another character and yet another subplot. Wouldn't have made a lick of sense to add her in because they really had no time left to develop her past cameo status.
 
I'm glad they killed off Gwen, every scene with her made me want to punch myself.

Then again I don't really like relationship scenes in movies so W/E. I'm sure they'll find another girl for him and I'll just punch myself again.
 
Regiruler said:
Rhythm battle feat. Electro

I'll admit that was a creative use of dubstep, rest of the soundtrack was mediocre to I wanted to cover my ears.
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No way

Loved Harry's themes. It, along with lots of closeups of DeHaan's crazy eyes, made his scenes pretty standout.

I did get a lol because I heard some samples that I know Zimmer used in Crysis2.
 
AgentOtaku said:
No way

Loved Harry's themes. It, along with lots of closeups of DeHaan's crazy eyes, made his scenes pretty standout.

I did get a lol because I heard some samples that I know Zimmer used in Crysis2.
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I meant moreso the licensed music they played in a few scenes.

The OST was OK-ish, and although I did like that scene it wasn't for the music. Only scene that I thought had good music was Times Square.
IDK really, movie soundtracks in general are so hard to remember.
 
Saw it today. Really enjoyed it. From Peter/Gwen, to Aunt May, to Max/Electro (the battles with him were amazing), to Harry. I do think the inclusion of Goblin was a bit rushed. Or at least I did until I saw the end where he's talking about using the weapons within Oscorp. I was worried he was being wasted but instead saw he was being setup to be used again in either part 3 or just the Sinister Six film. Which ever comes first. Plan on seeing it a second time sometime next week.

Isn't Rhino always a joke character? I remember him being such in the 90s cartoon. Never a real threat.
 
EatinOlives said:
Those are just scenes. You're asking for them to add yet another character and yet another subplot. Wouldn't have made a lick of sense to add her in because they really had no time left to develop her past cameo status.
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No, I'm saying when most of the movies characters/scenes went nowhere, taking out an MJ scene that would have set up a character for the next movie instead of some stuff we got makes no sense.

I'm not saying they should have just kept her stuff in. I'm saying there was a lot of stuff (a LOT) they could have taken out, and would have had more than enough room to throw that setup/fanservice in there. Depending on how it was shot and handled (obviously) it could have been far more satisfying to see than a lot of the stuff we got.
 
EatinOlives said:
Electro was just a weird character in general. He made for badass fight scenes but his Max backstory was extremely campy and his arc was completely overshadowed by Harry's presence in the film. He felt wedged in there between all the characters and subplots.
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I don't know. I honestly expected Foxx to be just blatant stunt casting, but the first scene with him and Spidey I legitimately loved. Reminded me oddly enough of his Max from Colleteral.
Super endearing scene period.

Regiruler said:
I meant moreso the licensed music they played in a few scenes.
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agree there good sir, fo sho
 
The licensed music in these movies really needs to go. It's cheap, and makes some cheesy scenes even worse (though I actually didn't mind the Coldplay use in ASM1...).

I liked the movie, but Peter putting that wall display and ending with "Do I have to lose you too????" was just...bleh.

SpinDasher said:
Speaking of walls. The biggest crime in this film was that Peter got rid of his Rear Window poster from the first film.
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Peter has moved on from Hitchcock to Antonioni.
 
AgentOtaku said:
I don't know. I honestly expected Foxx to be just blatant stunt casting, but the first scene with him and Spidey I legitimately loved. Reminded me oddly enough of his Max from Colleteral.
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I liked Electro's role in this because he was kind of a Frankenstein's monster but without a Dr. Frankenstein, and Harry jumped into that role though Electro thought he was actually "wanted" and not just being used. I also loved the mad scientist tone at the prison, it was corny as hell but clearly intentional.

And it was boss as fuck when Electro and Harry were sort of playing buddy cops at OSCORP. That shit was hilarious when the little "finger" of electricity came out and politely closed the socket flap on the floor.
 
brandonh83 said:
I liked Electro's role in this because he was kind of a Frankenstein's monster but without a Dr. Frankenstein, and Harry jumped into that role though Electro thought he was actually "wanted" and not just being used. I also loved the mad scientist tone at the prison, it was corny as hell but clearly intentional.

And it was boss as fuck when Electro and Harry were sort of playing buddy cops at OSCORP. That shit was hilarious when the little "finger" of electricity came out and politely closed the socket flap on the floor.
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The Harry and Electro shit was just great period. Like I said, actors brought their A-Game and I was super enthralled.
 
AgentOtaku said:
The Harry and Electro shit was just great period. Like I said, actors brought their A-Game and I was super enthralled.
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I really wanted more of that pairing in the film. I'm hoping that Electro isn't actually dead but perhaps just dispersed through the electrical grid and needs time to reform.
 
brandonh83 said:
I liked Electro's role in this because he was kind of a Frankenstein's monster but without a Dr. Frankenstein, and Harry jumped into that role though Electro thought he was actually "wanted" and not just being used. I also loved the mad scientist tone at the prison, it was corny as hell but clearly intentional.

And it was boss as fuck when Electro and Harry were sort of playing buddy cops at OSCORP. That shit was hilarious when the little "finger" of electricity came out and politely closed the socket flap on the floor.
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"Time for the bonus round"
 
thecouncil said:
...but I really just want someone to explain to me the point of the entire plane subplot at the end.

Maybe you guys forget but there were a lot of control tower scenes. There was a new woman character there...

What was that about? Who was that woman?

It was like I was watching another movie. ...wait... was I?
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Oh God, I literally completely forgot the plane subplot. That was the most blatant case of post-release intervention I've ever seen. They literally did a test screen, got complaints of the last act lacking any form of tension - so they just added a countdown timer. Shameless.

Even wierder, why didn't they just take that chance to expand on the Aunt May storyline? She's at the hospital. Things clearly have to be going wrong when the power's out - people are probably dying every minute. That would've added tension, and not been a comically obvious afterthought.
 
What I love is how fucking terrible the two planes that were going to collide looked. What was the budget of this film again? Shit looked like the plane ride to Okinawa from Kill Bill, but Tarantino was at least going for the kitsch factor on purpose.
 
Did they make Harry's ear pointy and sticking out on purpose?

Really liked the movie. It was a huge step up from the first.
 
Electro in the city when he meets spider man is probably my favourite scene in a movie in a long time, the guy finally meets his idol face to face then goes mad and feels betrayed. The voices during the music was very well done and I just loved everything about it, which is why I hate that they made Max so stupid looking. The teeth, the hair, being clumsy, A FUCKING POCKET PROTECTOR ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Yes I understand he was never much of anything in the comics, but I feel like they did a really good job with him being a villian here. This movie just needed a fucking editor, get rid of rhino completely and just focus on electro then have goblin in the end. The fight was pretty good, the power was great, bass cannon music was fitting, I loved it. Then he gets hit by a car, is on the ground for the exact duration of their conversation and continues wrecking shit. What the fuck.

Then do Goblin for the 3rd movie have that lead to sinister 6. I just don't know, the movie was a frustrating mess to me, it had some good stuff with spider-man being enjoyable on screen to that stupid oxford scene "i'm a professor at harvard and this scene to just to wastes the audiences time when we can be spending this time on Harry dealing with his sickness or Electro" fuck that thing made me mad. The entire plane thing wasn't needed at all and Aunt May giving a "lets back to work guys" command like she has any sort of power made me roll my eyes pretty hard, 2 hour movie with 25 minutes of worthless footage. Now the next movie is basically only gonna be Sinister 5 since he beat Rhino unless they are gonna bring him back and give him a real fight making his 10 mins of screentime in ASM2 even more fucking pointless.

thecouncil said:
Electro had a power meter on the side of his head. It said "overload". Based on what exactly? Who was able to determine his capacity?
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Crazy German scientists have the answers to everything.
 
BHK3 said:
Electro in the city when he meets spider man is probably my favourite scene in a movie in a long time, the guy finally meets his idol face to face then goes mad and feels betrayed. The voices during the music was very well done and I just loved everything about it, which is why I hate that they made Max so stupid looking. The teeth, the hair, being clumsy, A FUCKING POCKET PROTECTOR ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Yes I understand he was never much of anything in the comics, but I feel like they did a really good job with him being a villian here. This movie just needed a fucking editor, get rid of rhino completely and just focus on electro then have goblin in the end. The fight was pretty good, the power was great, bass cannon music was fitting, I loved it. Then he gets hit by a car, is on the ground for the exact duration of their conversation and continues wrecking shit. What the fuck.

Then do Goblin for the 3rd movie have that lead to sinister 6. I just don't know, the movie was a frustrating mess to me, it had some good stuff with spider-man being enjoyable on screen to that stupid oxford scene "i'm a professor at harvard and this scene to just to wastes the audiences time when we can be spending this time on Harry dealing with his sickness or Electro" fuck that thing made me mad. The entire plane thing wasn't needed at all and Aunt May giving a "lets back to work guys" command like she has any sort of power made me roll my eyes pretty hard, 2 hour movie with 25 minutes of worthless footage. Now the next movie is basically only gonna be Sinister 5 since he beat Rhino unless they are gonna bring him back and give him a real fight making his 10 mins of screentime in ASM2 even more fucking pointless.
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You wanted the movie to focus on Electro? He was the most inconsequential part of that movie! He had no bearing on the plot (what little plot there was) whatsoever, and can mostly be removed without harming anything. A much better film would have been a focus on the Goblin, seeing as how he had the potential to be much more interesting instead of getting shoehorned in as a character, as a friend to Peter, and then as a villain at the end.

They would have to change a lot of stuff to make it so Electro had any relevance to the plot. It would be easier to remove him entirely, and make the focus on Harry and his devolution into the Goblin. It at least gives us one antagonist with a meaningful arc, instead of zero.
 
Zeyphersan said:
You wanted the movie to focus on Electro? He was the most inconsequential parts of that movie! He had no bearing on the plot (what little plot there was) whatsoever, and can mostly be removed without harming anything. A much better film would have been a focus on the Goblin, seeing as how he had the potential to be much more interesting instead of getting shoehorned in as a character, as a friend to Peter, and then as a villain at the end.

They would have to change a lot of stuff to make it so Electro had any relevance to the plot. It would be easier to remove him entirely, and make the focus on Harry and his devolution into the Goblin. It at least gives us one antagonist with a meaningful arc, instead of zero.
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It's basically one or the other, have the movie be about goblin, or about Electro and gwen/peter. Idk, have electro kill gwen or something, come up with something. "You meant the world to me Spider Man, you said I mattered to you, you were at my birthday party and you lied! Now tell your girlfriend she's gonna survive, lie to her like you did to me!"

I'm pretty sure I ripped that from something but whatever, harry having the super rare only 1 bloodline goblin disease I actually liked but it was really one or the other the movie should of focused on. The villains are getting bigger and crazier and that puts a strain on the gwen peter relationship, but since everything was so inconsequential it just felt like a waste.
 
Zeyphersan said:
No, I'm saying when most of the movies characters/scenes went nowhere, taking out an MJ scene that would have set up a character for the next movie instead of some stuff we got makes no sense.

I'm not saying they should have just kept her stuff in. I'm saying there was a lot of stuff (a LOT) they could have taken out, and would have had more than enough room to throw that setup/fanservice in there. Depending on how it was shot and handled (obviously) it could have been far more satisfying to see than a lot of the stuff we got.
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What they had planned was cameo status. They had no way of "setting her character up" besides just saying "this woman exists". You would've been here complaining MJ was barely in it if they hadn't cut her out. The movie was already completely full to the brim with characters jumping in and out of focus, going "OH AND MJ TOO" on a tiny footnote in the tail end of some scene somewhere would've added nothing.

What they needed to do was tighten the first half of the film and remove some random, pointless shit like the airplane "subplot" with the Electro fight, not add MORE characters because we're too impatient to wait for the next movie.

Scullibundo said:
High calibre bullets don't hurt Electro. Dude can expand himself.

Gets hit by Gwen in a car.
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He was in "solid" form when he was hit and didn't see it coming. And really wasn't visibly hurt by it, just thrown to the side.
 
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