The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marc’s Webb

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Saw it a second time because some relatives wanted to see it.

Yep, it's still good. Sorry about the hate, but I'll never understand it. I mean, it has flaws most definitely, and the Xmen promo was outright insulting, but on the whole it was my favorite Spidey movie that has hit the big screen.
 
Yeah, I think I liked this as much as SP1 and SP2. I also really liked ASM1. Coming into these types of threads (about movies) usually makes me feel stupid and naive for not understanding the deeper intellectual film-speak and nuanced problems of movies that apparently make or break films, but I loved it. I don't even know what I pick out as a glaring flaw (I'm also not a reader of the comics) so that my context and Iducking loved it. Andrew and Emma are the best couple.

So are people actually upset that Gwen died? In the OP it was said that "Otto would have never let this happen". What does they mean?
 
Pyrokai said:
Yeah, I think I liked this as much as SP1 and SP2. I also really liked ASM1. Coming into these types of threads (about movies) usually makes me feel stupid and naive for not understanding the deeper intellectual film-speak and nuanced problems of movies that apparently make or break films, but I loved it. I don't even know what I pick out as a glaring flaw (I'm also not a reader of the comics) so that my context and Iducking loved it. Andrew and Emma are the best couple.

So are people actually upset that Gwen died? In the OP it was said that "Otto would have never let this happen". What does they mean?
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No one is upset, since that happens in the comic books. And the whole "Otto would have never let this happen" refers to Superior Spider-man, where
Otto mind swaps with Peter Parker, takes control of his body, "kills" Peter, and vows to be a better Spider-man than Peter could have ever been.
 
Is firestar part of the Spiderman license, similar to Kingpin? Also Cloak & Dagger appeared first in spiderman related media, so I wonder if there are shared rights.

Maximum Carnage storyline should happen after venom movie. Scarlet spider should happen, too. I would love to see spectacular even though it may be hard for the masses to accept.

I still wish for him to come back to the mcu.
 
Watched this earlier with my nephew. Enjoyed the Spider-man parts, not the Peter Parker parts.

Where was the payoff for the Richard Parker storyline? Peter finds his dad's secret lab in a secret subway station and learns that the spiders were somehow coded to his DNA, making their venom worthless to non-Parkers. All that so we wouldn't be surprised when Harry had a bad reaction to it? But they already had two scenes of Spider-Man telling him his blood could have bad side-effects.
 
Salamando said:
Watched this earlier with my nephew. Enjoyed the Spider-man parts, not the Peter Parker parts.

Where was the payoff for the Richard Parker storyline? Peter finds his dad's secret lab in a secret subway station and learns that the spiders were somehow coded to his DNA, making their venom worthless to non-Parkers. All that so we wouldn't be surprised when Harry had a bad reaction to it? But they already had two scenes of Spider-Man telling him his blood could have bad side-effects.
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He didn't know his blood could have side-effects, but yeah there was no point to that whole bit. It was pointless, and as I've said before, it undermined Uncle Ben's death.
 
EightBitNate said:
Is it me or was Electro the good guy
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He's going to come back and help Spider-Man fight the Sinister Six. After he rematerializes, and Spidey shows him his old Oscorp name tag. Proving that Spider-Man did actually remember his name, and did not set him up. The Lizard will comeback to help him too.

#believe
 
The movie was all over the place but Gwen's death scene gave me the feels. Garfield and stone have great on screen presence.
 
Trike said:
Why would you draw this conclusion?
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He gets tossed around the whole film.

First, just regular people treated him like shit, with no acknowledging him except for Spider-Man, who is kinda sarcastic about it.

And then everyone at Oscorp are dicks to him (on his birthday of all days!) and he almost dies. Then they try to cover it up and erase him.

But he returns to the streets and now people notice him but they're terrified of him, like it's his fault what happened. Police aim their guns at him and the only reason they don't shoot is because Spider-Man tells them not to. He literally has done nothing wrong but be blue and sparky at this point.

Then there's the misunderstanding with the gunshot and Electro attacks. You could say that this Electro's fault for attacking, but how is he to know that Spider-Man had not signaled the attack? Risk dying because Oscorp fucked you over or defend yourself? And the crowd is now cheering Spider-Man on like Electro poses a serious threat.

The entire thing is unfair, man.
 
The Broken Ska Record said:
He didn't know his blood could have side-effects, but yeah there was no point to that whole bit. It was pointless, and as I've said before, it undermined Uncle Ben's death.
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He didn't know, but he sure foreshadowed it enough. We didn't need a plot thread of Sony Vaio's only to go "Yeah, but for reals, the spider stuff only works on Parkers".

We're also damn lucky that Electro is capable to turning his pants into pure electricity. Could've made for some awkward moments there.
 
Salamando said:
He didn't know, but he sure foreshadowed it enough. We didn't need a plot thread of Sony Vaio's only to go "Yeah, but for reals, the spider stuff only works on Parkers".

We're also damn lucky that Electro is capable to turning his pants into pure electricity. Could've made for some awkward moments there.
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Yeah and you just know Electro's got a huge dick
 
Salamando said:
Watched this earlier with my nephew. Enjoyed the Spider-man parts, not the Peter Parker parts.

Where was the payoff for the Richard Parker storyline? Peter finds his dad's secret lab in a secret subway station and learns that the spiders were somehow coded to his DNA, making their venom worthless to non-Parkers. All that so we wouldn't be surprised when Harry had a bad reaction to it? But they already had two scenes of Spider-Man telling him his blood could have bad side-effects.
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Yeah, he doesn't really work into anything.

Like, the end of the last movie: "Did you tell the boy about his father?" Tell him what? That he was experimenting on spiders? What's the big secret?
 
I thought the Parker family served a few functions, primarily tying up a missing piece of Peter himself as well as giving more insight into OSCORP's experiments. It was an emotional payoff for Peter, it explained why he reacted to the spider bite the way he did, and it sheds light on the fact that OSCORP is doing a lot of behind the scenes stuff that they shouldn't be doing, which in turn ties into the Sinister Six. While some of that may be kind of "duh" I was glad that they handled it in an emotional enough way. The reasoning is there, but obviously it comes down to whether or not you care about it.
 
brandonh83 said:
..It was an emotional payoff for Peter, it explained why he reacted to the spider bite the way he did...
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My feeling is Peter Parker was always the every man dork/underdog, accidentally got bitten by a radioactive spider, became a superhero and with it decided to do the greater good.

With this version I feel like with the convoluted sub-plot about his parents directly involved with the making of Spider-Man I feel like it undermines the point of Peter Parker which was anyone could have been Spider-Man

Nope, you gotta be special and born as a Parker to be Spider-Man...
 
ultracal31 said:
My feeling is Peter Parker was always the every man dork/underdog, accidentally got bitten by a radioactive spider, became a superhero and with it decided to do the greater good.

Nope, you gotta be special and born as a Parker to be Spider-Man...
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Peter's poking around in OSCORP while trying to find information about his parents is why he got bitten in the first place. Accident or not, it's still a curse to him but decides to use it for the greater good, as you said. I don't really see how it's that much different in the grand scheme of things.
 
brandonh83 said:
I thought the Parker family served a few functions, primarily tying up a missing piece of Peter himself as well as giving more insight into OSCORP's experiments. It was an emotional payoff for Peter, it explained why he reacted to the spider bite the way he did, and it sheds light on the fact that OSCORP is doing a lot of behind the scenes stuff that they shouldn't be doing, which in turn ties into the Sinister Six. While some of that may be kind of "duh" I was glad that they handled it in an emotional enough way. The reasoning is there, but obviously it comes down to whether or not you care about it.
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All of that stuff is completely tangential or unnecessary. Like, explaining why Pete reacted to the spider bite in that way. Why did that need explaining at all? It was the answer to a question that nobody was asking in the first place.
 
Blader said:
All of that stuff is completely tangential or unnecessary. Like, explaining why Pete reacted to the spider bite in that way. Why did that need explaining at all? It was the answer to a question that nobody was asking in the first place.
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It's one element of several. It's not the entire reason behind it.
 
I like the idea that his pursuit for the truth about his parent turned him into Spider-Man, but then they tried doing this long sort of stretched plotline about his parents that ended up being far less interesting than anything in the story.

He's actually responsible for like everything in TASM.
 
SpinDasher said:
I like the idea that his pursuit for the truth about his parent turned him into Spider-Man, but then they tried doing this long sort of stretched plotline about his parents that ended up being far less interesting than anything in the story. He's actually responsible for like everything in TASM.
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The mystery itself is usually tons more interesting than the actual solution/reason.

Prometheus anyone?
 
I don't see how it's some big stretched out convoluted subplot. It's extremely straightforward. Richard worked for OSCORP, began to meddle in things that others saw beneficial in all the wrong ways, he refused to take part in it and got the fuck out of dodge but that put his family in danger. That's literally about it, and it just happens to explain more about the spider venom and helps set up the Sinister Six.

I think people are making a bigger deal about the various story threads going on in these movies than need be. I like that they're there as I feel they provide some variety and help separate these films from the last batch. But to each his own. I never felt misled or confused or like I was being thrown around in a Tilt-a-Whirl while watching these. All of it felt very par for the course when it comes to superhero movies IMO.
 
I think I missed something.

is this Norman? Harry?
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Lone_Prodigy said:
Good thing the plane had a solid Internet connection. Though it wouldn`t be hard to not put the computer to sleep everytime its lid was closed.
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lol, I said this to my girlfriend too...that's one hell of a connection, offering that kind of upload speed while nosediving into the ocean.
 
Lone_Prodigy said:
Good thing the plane had a solid Internet connection. Though it wouldn`t be hard to not put the computer to sleep everytime its lid was closed.
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It also wouldn't have been hard to upload the video he recorded at his home from his home. Or did he just finish editing the video in the airport terminal?


I didn't think the subplot was convoluted, just very unnecessary. If they felt they must have it, then cut the scenes of Harry talking to Peter/Spidey to get some spider-blood.
 
brandonh83 said:
I don't see how it's some big stretched out convoluted subplot. It's extremely straightforward. Richard worked for OSCORP, began to meddle in things that others saw beneficial in all the wrong ways, he refused to take part in it and got the fuck out of dodge but that put his family in danger. That's literally about it, and it just happens to explain more about the spider venom and helps set up the Sinister Six.

I think people are making a bigger deal about the various story threads going on in these movies than need be. I like that they're there as I feel they provide some variety and help separate these films from the last batch. But to each his own. I never felt misled or confused or like I was being thrown around in a Tilt-a-Whirl while watching these. All of it felt very par for the course when it comes to superhero movies IMO.
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They advertise it as the biggest mystery ever, and decide to stretch it across two films. Pretty sure that the resolution shocked no one, and I had a "this is dumb" moment when he was crying in front of his dads exposition/confession screen. It could've been resolved in the first film, while this film could've used more time developing characters.

Lone_Prodigy said:
Good thing the plane had a solid Internet connection. Though it wouldn`t be hard to not put the computer to sleep everytime its lid was closed.
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You're giving the plane wifi too much credit, VAIO's are just that good.
 
I saw it a few hours ago and I thought it was a fine. It's certainly bloated in a lot of ways and a lot some scenes are rushed like Harry's transformation, but I was entertained. I really like Garfield's Spidey. He's just a friendly, charming dude. The same goes for Emma Stone's Gwen. She does a fantastic job.

The action scenes were really good this time around. They were a little bit more fantastical, but I kind of like it that way. I never liked the action scenes in Raimi's flicks so this was a nice surprise.
 
SpinDasher said:
They advertise it as the biggest mystery ever, and decide to stretch it across two films. Pretty sure that the resolution shocked no one, and I had a "this is dumb" moment when he was crying in front of his dads exposition/confession screen. It could've been resolved in the first film, while this film could've used more time developing characters.
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I agree it could have been resolved in the first film, but that's no guarantee that it would have led to this film having more character development. The scenes concerning his parents didn't take up much time at all. I think things would have played out roughly the way they did regardless. And why was it dumb? It was an unresolved thread for Peter who was looking for resolution and found it. I really don't see how it isn't completely harmless.
 
Salamando said:
Watched this earlier with my nephew. Enjoyed the Spider-man parts, not the Peter Parker parts.

Where was the payoff for the Richard Parker storyline? Peter finds his dad's secret lab in a secret subway station and learns that the spiders were somehow coded to his DNA, making their venom worthless to non-Parkers. All that so we wouldn't be surprised when Harry had a bad reaction to it? But they already had two scenes of Spider-Man telling him his blood could have bad side-effects.
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To solidify what would happen to Harry when he tried it himself, though with all the foreshadowing it was pretty obvious it was going to happen anyway.

I think more than anything it just resolved the plotline of Peter Parker not knowing who his dad "really was". From his perspective it was nothing but FUD, even from his own aunt. Him finding out didn't really give the audience any new information, but I think it was just resolving that whole "omg mysterious briefcase with mysterious items what are they for" thing from the previous two movies.

I think the Richard Parker stuff was one of the weaker subplots of both films. He did dangerous research that never made it to formal human testing, and Peter underwent the "successful" version of the testing because Richard used his own DNA as a base. So nobody will replicate the research without him, and he would likely be vilified by those who wanted to take advantage of him. That's it, but it took them two movies and a ton of subplot, reveals, and mystery for those two sentences of backstory.
 
ultracal31 said:
My feeling is Peter Parker was always the every man dork/underdog, accidentally got bitten by a radioactive spider, became a superhero and with it decided to do the greater good.

With this version I feel like with the convoluted sub-plot about his parents directly involved with the making of Spider-Man I feel like it undermines the point of Peter Parker which was anyone could have been Spider-Man

Nope, you gotta be special and born as a Parker to be Spider-Man...
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no anyone could not of been spiderman
for example
not everyone would of been able to make web shooters
Uncle Bens death is what truly caused him to become Spider-Man
the spider just made him become a wrestler with spider powers who didnt give a shit until Uncle Ben died
 
Went in expecting it to be shit and came out happily surprised. It was honestly not bad at all. Definitely some cheesy moments that I absolutely hated but overall I thought it was great. Definitely better than Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Man of Steel, Thor 2, X-Men Origins, etc. which is why I'm surprised the rotten tomatoes score is so low.

I knew that Gwen death was gonna happen. Was still pretty sad about it... I guess I'm happy it wasn't a painful death like they have in GoT...
 
EightBitNate said:
He gets tossed around the whole film.

First, just regular people treated him like shit, with no acknowledging him except for Spider-Man, who is kinda sarcastic about it.

And then everyone at Oscorp are dicks to him (on his birthday of all days!) and he almost dies. Then they try to cover it up and erase him.

But he returns to the streets and now people notice him but they're terrified of him, like it's his fault what happened. Police aim their guns at him and the only reason they don't shoot is because Spider-Man tells them not to. He literally has done nothing wrong but be blue and sparky at this point.

Then there's the misunderstanding with the gunshot and Electro attacks. You could say that this Electro's fault for attacking, but how is he to know that Spider-Man had not signaled the attack? Risk dying because Oscorp fucked you over or defend yourself? And the crowd is now cheering Spider-Man on like Electro poses a serious threat.

The entire thing is unfair, man.
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The mistreated/Spider-Man fan angle was pretty interesting, but could have been executed better. But his first fight scene with the voices in his head was awesome. Electro was treated like shit to the point were it was comical, but that doesn't mean he is a good guy. Electro was bullied and when he got power he went crazy with it. Him being treated like crap doesn't excuse the things he does in the film. He knew he wasn't in danger when the bullets did nothing to him. It just caused him to become more confident in his powers. He is a bad guy because he does bad things, but it isn't like he is evil. It is okay to be sympathetic towards him, because you were supposed to.

Kyne said:
I think I missed something.

is this Norman? Harry?
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Ultimate Green Goblin, AKA Norman Osborn. Ultimate Hobgoblin was Harry, but he was orange/brownish. That line of toys are based off of the movie and the comics. That is why Superior Spider-Man, Carnage, and Black Cat are there.
 
FullMetalx117 said:
Went in expecting it to be shit and came out happily surprised. It was honestly not bad at all. Definitely some cheesy moments that I absolutely hated but overall I thought it was great. Definitely better than Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Man of Steel, Thor 2, X-Men Origins, etc. which is why I'm surprised the rotten tomatoes score is so low.

I knew that Gwen death was gonna happen. Was still pretty sad about it... I guess I'm happy it wasn't a painful death like they have in GoT...
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of course
Stan Lee created Spider-Man
not George R.R. Martin
otherwise Carnage would of been introduced way earlier
 
DXLelouch153 said:
no anyone could not of been spiderman
for example
not everyone would of been able to make web shooters
Uncle Bens death is what truly caused him to become Spider-Man
the spider just made him become a wrestler with spider powers who didnt give a shit until Uncle Ben died
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Even without the webshooters though - the agility, the spider sense, the increased strength, speed, durability (sticky fingers). If it bit a soldier or a martial artist...it would have created the best special forces dudebro in history.
 
TheKaeptain said:
What kind of people invest themselves in to blockbusters?
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Not so much the blockbusters, but the threads themselves.

People clearly get emotional about it since some posters may hold grudges over opinions and whatnot. Which is what Mr. Nobody was kind of saying.

I was just saying I don't really care anymore, and won't hold it against someone if they like or dislike the movie. Now if you're a blatant unapologetic troll that looks to stir shit up, that's different!
 
Saw it yesterday and loved it. Probably the best spidey movie. Also I love that they actually showed spidey protecting and helping people and really being a symbol of hope.

Also the guy who played harry was great. It's good that he will return in the future.
 
Trike said:
The mistreated/Spider-Man fan angle was pretty interesting, but could have been executed better. But his first fight scene with the voices in his head was awesome. Electro was treated like shit to the point were it was comical, but that doesn't mean he is a good guy. Electro was bullied and when he got power he went crazy with it. Him being treated like crap doesn't excuse the things he does in the film. He knew he wasn't in danger when the bullets did nothing to him. It just caused him to become more confident in his powers. He is a bad guy because he does bad things, but it isn't like he is evil. It is okay to be sympathetic towards him, because you were supposed to.
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I feel like some people rooted for Electro in that last fight, lol.
 
There must have been an awful lot cut from Harrys story. We got nothing about oscorp having Peter under surveillance, Harry saying we could change the world, asking about Peter and nothing about "we have plans for you Peter Parker". Trailers made it seem as if the Gentleman was orchestrating it all, whereas the film makes it seem as Harry is the main force.
 
ultracal31 said:
My feeling is Peter Parker was always the every man dork/underdog, accidentally got bitten by a radioactive spider, became a superhero and with it decided to do the greater good.

With this version I feel like with the convoluted sub-plot about his parents directly involved with the making of Spider-Man I feel like it undermines the point of Peter Parker which was anyone could have been Spider-Man

Nope, you gotta be special and born as a Parker to be Spider-Man...
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While true, it's just an interesting take on the tale.

There's was a spider-man comic I read once, may have been a once-off, where an elderly man approaches peter and knows who he is. Strangely, this gentleman has the same powers as spider-man.

He offers a thought that sort of makes him look at his origin differently - what if it wasn't the radioactive spider that was special and gave him powers, but rather he was special and the radioactive spider awakened his powers?

Obviously t takes away the "any guy" vibe, but it was a cool issue and made you think about something you've taken for granted in a new light.

The mysterious guy also offers other things that can't be coincidence and that was why are all spidey's villains animal totems?

It was just neat to turn it on its head for a brief moment.


But yeah, as mentioned not anyone could have been spider-man the hero. His intellect and moral centre is what drives the character.
 
DXLelouch153 said:
Uncle Bens death is what truly caused him to become Spider-Man
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Really? Sure doesn't seem that way.

ASM portrayed Peter becoming a Spiderman to find his uncle's killer, and proceed to become a hero later on for some reason after bullying an armed robber---which I can only assumed because he enjoyed being a cunt in a mask.
 
ultracal31 said:
Granted though in this movie series that first started off as finding Uncle Ben's killer which they basically dropped and didn't resolve.
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While they didn't "resolve" it, that was kind of the point. Peter was on this search for the killer and gets involved in some basic crime fighting as a side effect. It wasn't until he confronts the lizard that first time on the bridge and saves that boy, that he realises what being a "hero" means.

At least that's what I got out of it.

Even in the comics he doesn't really find the killer until some writer decides it would make a good story ages later.

It's kind of the point that the killer is nobody.
 
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