It just seems like a weird thing to invoke and personally I don't know what it's supposed to prove anyway.
"Oh, you love Lawrence of Arabia? Well no wonder you didn't like this movie!"
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It just seems like a weird thing to invoke and personally I don't know what it's supposed to prove anyway.
"Oh, you love Lawrence of Arabia? Well no wonder you didn't like this movie!"
EightBitNate
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You could go back to any of the threads before the release of the movie and see the same posters calling it shit.
brandonh83
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Some made up their minds with the set photos.
EightBitNate
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Some made up their minds when the new trilogy was announced.
sankt-Antonio
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Saw the movie yesterday. I really liked the scenes where spiderman was actually fighting crime and cracking jokes while at it. Best representation of spidey imo. The rest of the movie was rather weak.
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EightBitNate
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Well we did say some
yo I was nothing but down on this movie before last weekend and ended up enjoying it.
It's easy to say some people made their minds up about the movie and just didn't want to like it or something, but a lot of times it's just that the concerns you have about a movie before seeing it end up getting justified.
EightBitNate
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Completely understand that. Just think lots of people online have trouble going back on their word.
brandonh83
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You just said you don't think it's a good movie.
I get that you still enjoyed it, I enjoy Spider-man 3, but not thinking it's good is still being down on it.
I don't think that's it, the people that don't like it, I truly believe that they don't like it.
Some of them made up their minds before the first movie came out because Peter was a "hipster".
TheKaeptain
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I remember that thread.
sankt-Antonio
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Oh and that electro theme was actually fucking awesome.
Rated-Rsuperstar
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Caught the movie this morning. Didn't like it but it was better then the boring rehash that was the first film. However there was some weird problem with the end of the film. There's like 5 minutes of some random airplane disaster movie spliced in that has nothing to do with anything. I'm not sure why it was there.
chickdigger802
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so how does one get rid of the webs? Do they wash away with water?
You just said you don't think it's a good movie.
I get that you still enjoyed it, I enjoy Spider-man 3, but not thinking it's good is still being down on it.
Jesus Christ...
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They dissolve after an hour.
I think they just disappear after a while
they went away eventually
unlike Tobey's nasty unsanitary webs which stuck around tainting the city
I've already listed my thoughts on the movie, and I was a lot nicer than Sculli and CFK lol. If you want to see the film get absolutely shit on, see RedLetterMedia's review lol. I don't hate it, I just don't think it was a good movie.
There were things I enjoyed about it, and I liked it more than most of MCUs output. Spider-Man deserves much much better though, and I'm not talking about the actors because the films have some pretty good ones.
I was also A LOT easier on TASM, and thought the franchise had a lot more potential than just TASM. I actually liked it when I first saw it (found this one more entertaining though, for both good and bad reasons). I pardoned most of the films flaws and waited for the sequel because I really thought that they'd establish the franchises identity in the sequel. I was a huge fan of Spider-Man 2, and thought the first one was good but nothing special (most of my problems with SM2 were nothing more than fanboyish nitpicks- not so much the actual film). So hey, why not expect some improvement?
I really wanted to love this movie, but after seeing it 3 times, I can't say I do. The script is pretty bad, and the movie doesn't really have a plot. It has some great visuals and action, and a few scenes were well done. I liked the actors, but they could have been much better if given better material. I enjoyed Spider-Man in this, and once again liked Gwen. I think a lot of people are overlooking the films flaws because they enjoyed Garfield's Spider-Man, and Emma's Gwen. I think Dehaan Goblin is the franchises best villain, and he gets about as much screentime as Peter's boring dad plot. I also tolerated Electro more than most. Garfield does the character justice.. the overall film though? Yeah, no.
Many on here have posted some legitimate reasons as to why they don't like the film, and most of it doesn't come off as straight up hating. People should stop using hating to discount opinions that conflict with theirs. It would make some sense with drive by post but I haven't seen much of that.
tl;dr: why settle with just bad or ok, when you can have good or great?
EightBitNate
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I mean it's not like a major plot point or anything...
brandonh83
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The sheer level of stigma attached to these movies is truly insane.
Damon Lindelof wrote a great piece on...Vulture I think?...last year about how Hollywood has certain rules for blockbusters, and how bigger and bigger stakes have to be introduced in every conflict no matter how artificial it comes off. I don't think there's any better example of that than the near-plane crash at the end of this movie -- it comes out of nowhere, involves absolutely no one we know, and is resolved within minutes, never to be heard of or cared about again.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Did anyone notice that Spideys webbing was still on the kids school project around a year later? Or am I mistaken?
I thought I saw that too lol
and yeah I'm pretty sure I've argued with SpinDasher over TASM 1
now that the sequel is established does it make you feel any different about the first movie?
brandonh83
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It didn't really offend me but just felt like it was there to add even more importance to getting the power restored. I do imagine a severe power outage like that could lead to something like that, but it didn't necessarily need to be shown.
Still, not nearly as bad as the ferry bullshit in The Dark Knight.
Okay.
I'm borderline thinking this movie was good, if I am in fact borderline that probably means it doesn't fall in the good category.
I'll just say this, Captain America 2 was far far far better
Well yeah, no shit, that's the whole reason stakes are ever introduced in a movie: To imbue urgency and importance into a conflict.
The difference is that the ferries were introduced and set up well in advance of Batman and Joker's fight, and play into the movie's themes (however heavy-handedly). The planes, on the other hand, just immediately appear on the spot and have absolutely no bearing on anything that's happening; none of the characters even know they're there!
If you were to cut the ferries from TDK, you miss a big element of that movie's philosophy. If you cut the planes from ASM2, nothing changes at all and the movie continues on completely unaffected by their loss.
brandonh83
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I still thought the ferries thing was poorly handled and very ham-fisted, but fair enough. There was just so little of the planes thing that it didn't really bother me either way, but every scene with the ferries was just eye-rolling to me.
DXLelouch153
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saw the movie today
knew Gwens death was coming a mile away from all that obvious foreshadowing(plus ive read the comics)
Rhino was an idiot as he should be
Norman OBVIOUSLY faked his death and will show up later as Ultimate Green Goblin(those claws)
Electro isnt dead because you cant kill electricity
i prefer this Spiderman because he isnt an over emotional cry baby and he makes jokes as hes known to do
knew Gwens death was coming a mile away from all that obvious foreshadowing(plus ive read the comics)
Rhino was an idiot as he should be
Norman OBVIOUSLY faked his death and will show up later as Ultimate Green Goblin(those claws)
Electro isnt dead because you cant kill electricity
i prefer this Spiderman because he isnt an over emotional cry baby and he makes jokes as hes known to do
Seriously loved this movie. I absolutely can't believe Gwen died (never read the comics) and...yeah.....what a crazy feeling I have inside me right now. I just came back from the movie, btw.
So what foreshadowing was there that she was going to die? I don't see these things in movies that are apparently always there.
So what foreshadowing was there that she was going to die? I don't see these things in movies that are apparently always there.
WrenchNinja
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Peter breaking his promise with George Stacy
Gwen planning to move away
Aunt May talk about secrets having a cost
Peter telling Harry about Gwen
Gwen showing up to save Peter when it was clearly too dangerous for her to be there
Peter talking about being with Gwen forever on the bridge
And not narrative related, Her wearing the outfit she wore when she died in the ASM #121
Eh aside from the outfit, I wouldn't class those as foreshadowing as such. Lots I movies would have those kinds of warnings and shrug them off as the hero defying the dangers. Sure she's not the hero, but that's how you kind of create tension even if you never go through with it.
I thought the airline thread was so out of place at the time, but to make gwen's death more tragic I guess they wanted to show how she actually saved the city.
The One and Done
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It was very awesome.
The Broken Ska Record
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She did utter the line "I am not immortal." That and the whole graduation speech was a bit hamfisted.
and yeah I'm pretty sure I've argued with SpinDasher over TASM 1
now that the sequel is established does it make you feel any different about the first movie?
In hindsight (or any sight) the Lizard was a shit villain, and the film didn't really do much to push Spider-Man forward. In years to come, I think more people will open their eyes and acknowledge the franchises problems instead of giving it a pass. I think it says something when Spider-Man 2 is being talked about 10 years later, and is still considered by many as the best in the genre (even though I have a few qualms with it).
However, I think TASM better written and pieced together better than this film lol. It might be a little more boring to watch, but the storytelling was nowhere near as offensive. Like I've said before, for every thing that makes this feel like it has Webb's touch, there's another thing that makes it feel like it has a studio execs touch. And I liked 500 Days of Summer more than most of GAF I believe. So it's not like I have any sort of grudge against Webb either.
Just to be clear, I wasn't lashing out at you in anyway lol. Just had to make a post to reference whenever people try to pull the, "you have an agenda against this franchise" card
. I agree, Cap 2 was better.DXLelouch153
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In hindsight (or any sight) the Lizard was a shit villain, and the film didn't really do much to push Spider-Man forward. In years to come, I think more people will open their eyes and acknowledge the franchises problems instead of giving it a pass. I think it says something when Spider-Man 2 is being talked about 10 years later, and is still considered by many as the best in the genre (even though I have a few qualms with it).
However, I think TASM better written and pieced together better than this film lol. It might be a little more boring to watch, but the storytelling was nowhere near as offensive. Like I've said before, for every thing that makes this feel like it has Webb's touch, there's another thing that makes it feel like it has a studio execs touch. And I liked 500 Days of Summer more than most of GAF I believe. So it's not like I have any sort of grudge against Webb either.
Just to be clear, I wasn't lashing out at you in anyway lol. Just had to make a post to reference whenever people try to pull the, "you have an agenda against this franchise" card
Cap 2 was better and this is coming from a huge Spidey fan
i just want to see The Sinister Six on screen damit
and a much better Venom as well
Just to be clear, I wasn't lashing out at you in anyway lol. Just had to make a post to reference whenever people try to pull the, "you have an agenda against this franchise" card
No I didn't think you were. There's enough people on this forum that do lash out at me though.
My problem with the way they're doing it is that they're just tossing them in there. With the sole explanation being Harry Osborne and The Villain Factory need Spider-Man's blood (?). Maybe this will be explained more in the next film since they've been teasing the villains more than the reason they gang up on Spider-Man. I'm not asking for everyone to have an origin, because the film would be a disaster. Just something to help us buy into the villains.
Norman Osborne isn't dead, I think Cooper said he has a bigger role in TASM3.
Lol nah. Not me, I decided to not invest in these emotionally a while ago. Lol.
Eh, hamfisted means forced and out of place to me, of which the speech didn't feel too bad. Cheesy perhaps, but the cheesiness was fine. In love a bit of cheese in a fun movie like this.
God, Paul Giamatti was hamming it up SO bad. It was glorious and one of my favourite bits. I actually liked how the rhino bits book-ended the movie.
In hindsight (or any sight) the Lizard was a shit villain, and the film didn't really do much to push Spider-Man forward. In years to come, I think more people will open their eyes and acknowledge the franchises problems instead of giving it a pass. I think it says something when Spider-Man 2 is being talked about 10 years later, and is still considered by many as the best in the genre (even though I have a few qualms with it).
However, I think TASM better written and pieced together better than this film lol. It might be a little more boring to watch, but the storytelling was nowhere near as offensive. Like I've said before, for every thing that makes this feel like it has Webb's touch, there's another thing that makes it feel like it has a studio execs touch. And I liked 500 Days of Summer more than most of GAF I believe. So it's not like I have any sort of grudge against Webb either.
Just to be clear, I wasn't lashing out at you in anyway lol. Just had to make a post to reference whenever people try to pull the, "you have an agenda against this franchise" card
I think you're right about what people think about these movies in future.
I love these movies and think they're good fun, but largely they're unnecessary swing as they're really not treading new ground.
Personally I'm ok with them refining the spider-man stories and characters, because I grew up with him and have been wanting this rendition for a long time, but I can most definitely see these movies being seen as less innovative and novel.
You know, that said, imagine THESE were the movies we got as out first big-screen modern spider-man? They'd probably be looked upon quite differently.
I mean, people would probably rate them a lot better if they were released in a different context. Begs the question, How important is the context of a movie's release? Do you prefer to judge a movie on its own merits (like in a bubble)... or in context with other similar films or relative to other films in a series?
I still don't get the hate this movie is getting. I saw it in imax 3d and thought it was incredible. The experience of it in imax was top notch. Actually, we just re watched the amazing Spiderman on our 3d TV at home last week. Sony did an awesome job with the 3d, as I thought it was better done than almost any other home 3d I've seen. Back to asm2 though, are you guys seeing it in anything comparable to imax 3d? I could imagine a standard screen diminishing the wow factor quite a bit honestly.
The Broken Ska Record
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I'm totally okay with cheese in a superhero movie, but that was just too obvious and bad. It was completely unnecessary.
DXLelouch153
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i know Norman isnt dead
hence the claws
what kind of disease makes you have claws
i think what happened was he took the venom already
i mean both Harry(after the venom) and Norman had claws
broncobuster
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[Spoiled in-case it's used in future movies, a deleted scene, or never brought up again]
They filmed the mysterious guy / Gentleman walking away from Norm's severed frozen head in a high tech jar. Assuming it's another scene from the Villain Factory absent along with the symbiote.
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