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[Lernaean]

Guys, but that's not the point. It's not about if you like or not their games.
It's about keeping bridges to third parties and not burning the few that remain.
The WiiU needs to be in the conversation. It doesn't matter if it's a good game or not, but it needs games. It needs to be mentioned in a good aspect as a plataform that can play a lot of games... even the same games as PS4 and Xbone.
Whenever somebody creates a thread about a game going everywhere but the wiiu, this hurts the console a lot more than you guys imagine.

Worst part is that if this trend continues, forget about a radical change for nintendo´s next console. Third party sofware will be alienated to a point that the same thing will happen to the next nintendo console.

Nintendo need to build new "bridges". No matter what it takes.

I believe there is no bad publicity, there is only publicity.
And yea, publishers may be abandoning ship but that doesn't hurt the WiiU cause you can't hurt what's already dead.

Nintendo will keep doing their own thing and they will surely get back up, either by selling tons of NFC and resurrecting the WiiU or by building their infrastructure from now on leading to their next console.

And when Nintendo will start selling tons again, because only they can make it sell tons, not any third party, see the Wii if in doubt, then the third parties will jump back in.
Don't worry too much about them leaving now, they are as loyal as pet hyenas.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Serious Question:

In the 80s Nintendo was able to survive while actively treating 3rd parties like crap (though some made shell companies, and hacked cartridges to get around them) and they still had a compelling console, what different now?

Nintendo still has the same charm. Is it because the are still in that 80s mindset, and not growing or shifting with the industry winds?

They have actually competition now, where before their competition never got off the ground before they could plant a foot on their throat.

 

[Delio]

Sounds like there won't be a Rayman game this year. That, or Ubisoft is being stupid.

Or they will just release it on the PS4/Xbone. Same for Just Dance. I know a friend of mine who will be slightly upset IF Just Dance isnt coming to Wii U anymore. Ah well.

 

[moltonasty]

Serious Question:

In the 80s Nintendo was able to survive while actively treating 3rd parties like crap (though some made shell companies, and hacked cartridges to get around them) and they still had a compelling console, what different now?

Nintendo still has the same charm. Is it because the are still in that 80s mindset, and not growing or shifting with the industry winds?

Basically, yes. They live in a bubble, and have basically confirmed in interviews that they will not follow industry trends, for better or worse. Right now, it's mostly for worse.

 

[Petrae]

With such poor performance you really have to question if even fewer third parties will show up for Nintendo's next system launch? Remember when EA took a "wait and see" with Dreamcast? That's exactly what we're going to be seeing from third parties whenever Nintendo gets around to announcing their next console, and once again it will be on the ropes right out of the gate.

BINGO. It's going to take some fancy maneuvering from Nintendo to coerce major third-party publishers to back whatever platform succeeds WiiU. They've gone all-in on Sony and Microsoft, and the choice seems wise given the strong sales for PS4/XBO versus the weak sales of WiiU. Sony and MS will get the benefit of the doubt in Gen9, and Nintendo will have to do some begging-- or go it alone once again and hope that it can catch lightning in a bottle for the second time in three generations.

 

[Iggins]

And Nintendo is getting hurt because it's IP's are niche and appeal to a minimal fanbase atm

I think you're right here, that's a big part of the problem IMO. I imagine how a Earthbound Wii U game would skyrocket sales and then I ask myself whats wrong with Iwata.

I think Nintendo is fostering this kind of attitude......

True.

 

[evilromero]

Serious Question:

In the 80s Nintendo was able to survive while actively treating 3rd parties like crap (though some made shell companies, and hacked cartridges to get around them) and they still had a compelling console, what different now?

Nintendo still has the same charm. Is it because the are still in that 80s mindset, and not growing or shifting with the industry winds?

Difference is the Wii U is not a compelling console.

 

[Delio]

I believe there is no bad publicity, there is only publicity.
And yea, publishers may be abandoning ship but that doesn't hurt the WiiU cause you can't hurt what's already dead.

Nintendo will keep doing their own thing and they will surely get back up, either by selling tons of NFC and resurrecting the WiiU or by building their infrastructure from now on leading to their next console.

And when Nintendo will start selling tons again, because only they can make it sell tons, not any third party, see the Wii if in doubt, then the third parties will jump back in.
Don't worry too much about them leaving now, they are as loyal as pet hyenas.

I dont think Third Parties will ever jump back in. It's pretty clear their market is served with the Sony and MS platforms and now they can spread out onto PC even more. I think Indies will be some of the main third parties for Nintendo going forward..for better or worse.

 

[chickdigger802]

will there be any 3rd party stuff at e3 for wiiu?

was going to bet on batman but thats ps4/xb1/pc only.

Maybe some indie stuff i guess, and zelda musou is technically 3rd party.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I can understand no Wii U games, but no 3DS games as well makes me wonder if this is a bad blood move between both companies.

It's very likely Nintendo isn't willing to work/be supported by big AAA western third-parties, given how they designed Wii U, their approach toward them and their development philosophies. Third-parties in general, in response, aren't supporting it because of this business mentality.

This is very bad, very bad, indeed.



Yep. This is Nintendo's loyal fanbase biggest issue. They often are multisystem owner and play anything else on non-Nintendo platforms.
They bring excuses like shitty ports not up to other systems, but when they get solid versions, they still don't give a shit.

Solid how? Aint nothing wrong with not giving a shit. Not excuses they be facts. If they were on par with other consoles probably wouldve had bought them.

 

[Lernaean]

I think you're right here, that's a big part of the problem IMO. I imagine how a Earthbound Wii U game would skyrocket sales and then I ask myself whats wrong with Iwata.

I don't agree. A Mother game, either a new one or a western port of M3 will be heaven for me and as i see you too, but don't expect to skyrocket anything.
You want to skyrocket sales? Get a mainline exclusive GTA, that's what people play now.
Would i buy it? Hell no.

 

[213372bu]

I think if Iwata, or even a janitor at Nintendo, even acknowledged the loss of third-parties and "promised" to fix it, like he does everything else, they would be in a better situation.

You can't just say that Nintendo not giving a fuck about third-parties is a business plan. It doesn't take money hatting or the like to at least keep around the third-parties that were attempting to help you. Attempting to even care about anyone but yourself doesn't require full attention like most "fans" like to say.

As a Nintendo supporter, their recent actions are borderline vile and I believe anyone who believes that the same form isolation that is keeping their first-party titles great is the cause of third-parties abandoning should be sent to the nearest asylum.

I mean, is the quality of Nintendo's content and support of keeping existing third-parties around mutually exclusive, like many here have already insinuated?

Companies like Ubisoft, who were one of the biggest supporters of the Wii U, are the prime example of this. The fact that they let their biggest supporter slip isn't part of the business plan of Nintendo.

Solid how? Aint nothing wrong with not giving a shit. Not excuses they be facts. If they were on par with other consoles probably wouldve had bought them.

And I wonder why they can't be on par with other consoles without extensive development/costs and particular attention to developing for the gamepad like you desire?

 

[krypt0nian]

Nintendo, you in danger, girl.

 

[clav]

After the Rayman delay, Ubi's move is not surprising since most people are buying Nintendo products to play games with Nintendo characters.

 

[timetokill]

Or they will just release it on the PS4/Xbone. Same for Just Dance. I know a friend of mine who will be slightly upset IF Just Dance isnt coming to Wii U anymore. Ah well.

So you think they would be stupid and not deliver a Rayman game to the platform with the biggest audience for the game?

I think you're right here, that's a big part of the problem IMO. I imagine how a Earthbound Wii U game would skyrocket sales and then I ask myself whats wrong with Iwata.

There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

- The Mother series is incredibly niche. The idea that a sequel to a game that was famously overlooked by the game audience on the SNES, and then had its sequel only on the GBA and not even localized officially for the west, would somehow SKYROCKET sales for the Wii U is fucking hilarious.

- Itoi is responsible for the Mother series, and he doesn't want to do them anymore.

- If it's IWATA's fault that they're not making it, I guess you're mad Iwata doesn't either enslave his friend Itoi, or have a non-Itoi person create the game? How would either of those scenarios please Earthbound fans?

 

[SonyToo!™]

Serious Question:

In the 80s Nintendo was able to survive while actively treating 3rd parties like crap (though some made shell companies, and hacked cartridges to get around them) and they still had a compelling console, what different now?

Nintendo still has the same charm. Is it because the are still in that 80s mindset, and not growing or shifting with the industry winds?

During the 80's Nintendo could get away with acting how it liked as the NES was almost the only successful gaming console at the time alteast in the US and probably Japan too, In Europe things were much more split with SEGA's Master System and the home computer boom.

 

[Delio]

So you think they would be stupid and not deliver a Rayman game to the platform with the biggest audience for the game?

I just think they will start transitioning to the Xbone/PS4. I DO think it's dumb to pull away from your biggest audience but maybe to them they hope that audience moves with them.

 

[StevieP]

After the Rayman delay, Ubi's move is not surprising since most people are buying Nintendo products to play games with Nintendo characters.

You might want to check where Rayman still managed to sell best in the face of 170 million other consoles.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Not a surprise. Take it we can write off Ubi for WiiU support after Watch Dogs comes out.

 

[Ponn]

Guys, but that's not the point. It's not about if you like or not their games.
It's about keeping bridges to third parties and not burning the few that remain.
The WiiU needs to be in the conversation. It doesn't matter if it's a good game or not, but it needs games. It needs to be mentioned in a good aspect as a plataform that can play a lot of games... even the same games as PS4 and Xbone.
Whenever somebody creates a thread about a game going everywhere but the wiiu, this hurts the console a lot more than you guys imagine.

Worst part is that if this trend continues, forget about a radical change for nintendo´s next console. Third party sofware will be alienated to a point that the same thing will happen to the next nintendo console.

Nintendo need to build new "bridges". No matter what it takes.

Do they at this point? In regards to their handelds they still have great third party support but its not because of their system but install base. Realistically for their third party support to improve they would not only need a bigger install base but in this age of multiplatform releases a console on parity. Its not going to happen. And looking at the replies in here confirms what we have known for multiple generations anyways, people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.

Question really, is that a bad thing? I mean if we ignore the fanboyish "you arent number one you are failing" argument is it possible for Nintendo to just have their console and survive as the lone publisher? For me and many others Nintendo consoles have made a very attractive 2nd console. I have to feel this is why Nintendo has become really apathetic towards third parties and have doubled down on their were not competing rhetoric.

 

[Lernaean]

I just think they will start transitioning to the Xbone/PS4. I DO think it's dumb to pull away from your biggest audience but maybe to them they hope that audience moves with them.

Not gonna happen. If they do a Rayman game it will be on Nintendo too.

Do they at this point? In regards to their handelds they still have great third party support but its not because of their system but install base. Realistically for their third party support to improve they would not only need a bigger install base but in this age of multiplatform releases a console on parity. Its not going to happen. And looking at the replies in here confirms what we have known for multiple generations anyways, people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.

Question really, is that a bad thing? I mean if we ignore the fanboyish "you arent number one you are failing" argument is it possible for Nintendo to just have their console and survive as the lone publisher? For me and many others Nintendo consoles have made a very attractive 2nd console. I have to feel this is why Nintendo has become really apathetic towards third parties and have doubled down on their were not competing rhetoric.

For me those plans of universal OS and account meaning you can play the exact same game in two or more different Nintendo consoles (home and handheld) instead of splitting their manpower to develop different games or ports for each console may be their savior.
Nintendo can survive if they release a constant stream of games. See all the games for WiiU and 3DS combined and imagine how good it would be if all those games could play on both handheld and home console. That's one big and high quality library. If they do that they will sell tons again and third parties will want to join in.
The plan is perfect, now all they need is to implement it.

 

[SuomiDude]

"We won't be showing off any Nintendo games at E3 this year," a Ubisoft representative said."
But it could be that Nintendo will show some Ubisoft games instead ... though probably not.

But I've done my part buying Ubisoft games on Wii U: Zombi U, Splinter Cell: Blacklist and Assassin's Creed IV: Blacklist. Really liked all of them, especially ACIV. Btw, both SC and AC are my first games in the franchises I've played. So if they won't release anymore games for Wii U, then so be it, they've just lost sales, and I'll buy all the other great games coming to the console instead.

 

[clav]

Not a surprise. Take it we can write off Ubi for WiiU support after Watch Dogs comes out.

Not so fast.

If Nintendo improves its tools to port over X360/PS3 titles, then third party support might continue.

Xbox 360/PS3 support is not going away any time soon.

 

[Uno Venova]

They bothered with the Wii U longer than it deserved.

 

[Snakeyes]

Serious Question:

In the 80s Nintendo was able to survive while actively treating 3rd parties like crap (though some made shell companies, and hacked cartridges to get around them) and they still had a compelling console, what different now?

Nintendo still has the same charm. Is it because the are still in that 80s mindset, and not growing or shifting with the industry winds?

Because third parties had no other option than to deal with it if they wanted to release a console game that could sell. By the time Nintendo started listening to third parties in the early-mid 00s, Sony and Microsoft had already redefined the meaning of "courting third parties".

Modern day Nintendo is a saint compared to 80s Nintendo when it comes to third party relations. In fact, if Nintendo had its current mindset back then, I doubt a lot of them would have abandoned their consoles in the mid 90s. Thing is, their current mindset is not enough when Sony and Microsoft's entire business model is built around actively reaching out to and pleasing third parties.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Ubisoft supported the system more than any other third party. It's business, not a conspiracy. The games were not selling, how long do people expect it to go on for ?

It's easy to blame third party, Nintendo needs to look at themselves in my opinion.

 

[Delio]

Not gonna happen. If they do a Rayman game it will be on Nintendo too.

You say that as fact. I'm just cautious of Ubisoft wanting to still throw Nintendo anything.

 

[TreasureHunterG]

Solid how? Aint nothing wrong with not giving a shit. Not excuses they be facts. If they were on par with other consoles probably wouldve had bought them.

COD Ghosts and AC4 all came out at the same time as the other versions with similar performance. No shitty, late port excuse this time, Wii U owners simply ignored it. Can't blame third-parties now.

 

[Dicer]

Ubisoft supported the system more than any other third party. It's business, not a conspiracy. The games were not selling, how long do people expect it to go on for ?

It's easy to blame third party, Nintendo needs to look at themselves in my opinion.

Nice save edit....

3rd parties treat Nintendo like a bastard child and wonder why things don't sell, it's all a horrible circle of doom.

 

[Mr Swine]

Not so fast.

If Nintendo improves its tools to port over X360/PS3 titles, then third party support might continue.

Xbox 360/PS3 support is not going away any time soon.

Sales for last gen software is slowing down as all 3:rd party developers are starting to switching over to thee PS4/Xbone. So no developers won't port over their games to Wii U sadly. No minecraft on Wii U either :/

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I think Ubisoft's idiotic for not making some low-budget stuff for 3DS. Make another Shadow Wars or something!

I can't really say ditching WiiU isn't a smart choice, though.

 

[schaft0620]

Is Nintendo even showing games at E3 this year? I thought it was a Direct and playable smash at E3?

 

[Sendou]

COD Ghosts and AC4 all came out at the same time as the other versions with similar performance. No shitty, late port excuse this time, Wii U owners simply ignored it. Can't blame third-parties this time.

The real letdown comes with the Wii U version, which sees owners of Nintendo's console once again left with a sub-par experience marred by frequent frame-rate issues and some pretty striking texture quality problems that makes it hard to recommend when both 360 and PS3 offer up smoother gameplay and more enjoyable online play as a result.

With performance so far behind every other version of the game, it's hard to recommend the Wii U game at all

And you have notice that all of this is indeed on a system that is factually more capable than 360 and PS3.

 

[Miles X]

They're not gonna do another Rayman game for a while I don't think, they don't exactly sell well, surprised Legends exists tbh.

 

[213372bu]

Is Nintendo even showing games at E3 this year? I thought it was a Direct and playable smash at E3?

They have the biggest booth.

 

[Maxrunner]

They bothered with the Wii U longer than it deserved.

ITs about games not about what it deserves, and it already has a solid library...

 

[Lernaean]

You say that as fact. I'm just cautious of Ubisoft wanting to still throw Nintendo anything.

We are talking about Rayman. Ubi seriously fucked up with this one, spending more money and time porting it to the other consoles just to have the WiiU version outselling the other two, maybe even combined.
Accept it, platformers as other Ninty games too are niche, and their fanbase is mostly on Ninty. That's why Puppeteer and Tearaway both sold like shit and they both did not deserve it, especially Tearaway.

 

[Chinpoko_Master]

I'm amazed Ubi has held out as long as they have, they should've bailed the fuck out on this system a long time ago.

 

[Delio]

Is Nintendo even showing games at E3 this year? I thought it was a Direct and playable smash at E3?

Uh they still have a very large booth as big as Sony and Ms's.

 

[Snakeyes]

It doesn't take money hatting or the like to at least keep around the third-parties that were attempting to help you.

What would it take if their games just don't sell?

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Nice save edit....

3rd parties treat Nintendo like a bastard child and wonder why things don't sell, it's all a horrible circle of doom.

Which started with Nintendo themselves

 

[UberTag]

This is somewhat surprising as I was under the impression that Just Dance was paying Ubisoft's electricity bills in between their annual Assassin's Creed title and their litany of bombs.

I suppose now that they have Watch Dogs they don't need it any more.

 

[clav]

You might want to check where Rayman still managed to sell best in the face of 170 million other consoles.

So now Ubi is the dick then?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

COD Ghosts and AC4 all came out at the same time as the other versions with similar performance. No shitty, late port excuse this time, Wii U owners simply ignored it. Can't blame third-parties now.

Similar performance.. yes if you still playing on 360. And nobody blaming 3rd parties dude. "The secret drama of video games" There is no hidden reason why people dont buy the games. They either A, dont like the damn games or B, buy it somewhere else. Thats it

 

[axisofweevils]

Makes absolutely no difference to me.

The slow patching of the game-breaking Zombi U glitch, 7 month Rayman delay B.S., combined with Wii U getting the shaft on Watch Dogs showed me that my money was better spent elsewhere.

 

[popeutlal]

If Nintendo is barely putting games on Wii U...you can't expect others to support the console.

 

[w1gglyjones]

So now Ubi is the dick then?

way to change the direction of that conversation.

 

[rokkerkory]

It's really the end for Wii U.

It's better just to wrap things up, cut your loses and then move on and make a better system.

 

[Maxrunner]

Is Nintendo even showing games at E3 this year? I thought it was a Direct and playable smash at E3?

Whenever there's bad publicity regarding Nintendo, these type of uneducated posts appear right after.

 

[Delio]

We are talking about Rayman. Ubi seriously fucked up with this one, spending more money and time porting it to the other consoles just to have the WiiU version outselling the other two, maybe even combined.
Accept it, platformers as other Ninty games too are niche, and their fanbase is mostly on Ninty. That's why Puppeteer and Tearaway both sold like shit and they both did not deserve it, especially Tearaway.

I already know Platformers are niche. II just dont have this overwhelming faith in Ubisoft to make another exclusive Rayman on the Wii U. Future consoles? sure.