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[Aquamarine]

They abandoned the WiiU because it has sold like garbage for the past 2 YEARS.

Why invest in a system that has been lapped by the XB1 and PS4 twice?

It is less powerful and is still tied to DVDs as a storage media...

Lets face it, the WiiU is this generation's GameCube.

It's less that the Wii U isn't selling well....and more that 3rd-party games on the Wii U generally don't sell all that great.

In Ubisoft's case, their hardcore games (Splinter Cell, Assassin's Creed, etc.) sold poorly on the console. Why bother to support the Wii U if the sales results aren't going to be worth the time developing them?

 

[CoolZombie]

They abandoned the WiiU because it has sold like garbage for the past 2 YEARS.

Why invest in a system that has been lapped by the XB1 and PS4 twice?

It is less powerful and is still tied to DVDs as a storage media...

Lets face it, the WiiU is this generation's GameCube.

I'm pretty sure the discs aren't DVDs. I'm sure Lego City is like a 21gb download on the eshop and that is of course available on disc too.

 

[Hasney]

I'm pretty sure the discs aren't DVDs. I'm sure Lego City is like a 21gb download on the eshop and that is of course available on disc too.

Yeah, it isn't. It's a "custom disc format" with such rounded edges that holds up to 25gb I believe. I don;t know if double layer is possible.

 

[Acorn]

They abandoned the WiiU because it has sold like garbage for the past 2 YEARS.

Why invest in a system that has been lapped by the XB1 and PS4 twice?

It is less powerful and is still tied to DVDs as a storage media...

Lets face it, the WiiU is this generation's GameCube.

Not really the gamecube at least still had enough market to release the annual titles. WiiU doesn't even get that.

 

[params7]

Please let the AC for ps3/360 be set in the crusades again.

 

[John_RiticelloEA]

I'm pretty sure the discs aren't DVDs. I'm sure Lego City is like a 21gb download on the eshop and that is of course available on disc too.

Ah ha, they are a proprietary disc made for Nintendo with Panasonic with built in DRM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U_Optical_Disc#Optical_disc

However, the WiiU cannot read or play Blu-Rays....

 

[Mithos]

Let's say for example the Wii U is technically more or less on par with the PS3 and 360, maybe the CPU is worse, the GPU is better, etc, but more or less on par.

Firstly you have the normal launch issues, the tools and libraries are bad, support is bad, platforms are changing notably with every FW, etc.

Then consider the fact you're basically coming in at the very end of the generation, when devs have had an entire generation to get to know the PS3 and 360.

We went from this: http://s21.postimg.org/p1iudldl3/PDZ.jpg
To this: http://s15.postimg.org/s30cl1kd7/BTS.jpg

And you expect developers to be able to hit par on day one, despite having had a fraction of the time with the system? I think your expectations were hugely too high.

I expected them to put more effort into the games yes, I mean they "almost" hit par and almost instantly, a little more work and they would have been at par or better.
Just look what Criterion did in under 5 months, now imagine what they could have made IF they had spent/been allowed to spend as much time with the Wii U version as they did with PS360... My guess perfectly stable framerate at 30fps, at least.

Porting Mass Effect 3 probably cost a couple of million, maybe three, making a big high quality 3D platformer for the Wii U launch would have cost comfortably more than twenty million.

If they spent that much, they overpayed by A LOT, I'd say they spent less then that, so ~1-2 million perhaps on ME3.

 

[Metallix87]

Ah ha, they are a proprietary disc made for Nintendo with Panasonic with built in DRM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U_Optical_Disc#Optical_disc

However, the WiiU cannot read or play Blu-Rays....

So?

 

[Zombie James]

Can't really blame them.

 

[tsab]

So?

Dat 25GB space of no ubi games.


Sega will save the WiiU with Shenmue

Believe

 

[Zombie James]

Dat 25GB space of no ubi games.


Sega will save the WiiU with Shenmue

Believe

I can only begin to imagine the massive amounts of money Nintendo would need to give to land a big-name exclusive these days.

 

[prag16]

And now this: https://twitter.com/UbiTessa/statuses/469892904157478912

 

[Ludist210]

And now this: https://twitter.com/UbiTessa/statuses/469892904157478912

I bet it's in Nintendo's sizzle reel. That'd be my guess.

 

[georly]

And now this: https://twitter.com/UbiTessa/statuses/469892904157478912

It's just a way to get you to watch E3 to find out that the answer is 'No'

 

[Soph]

Nintendo: We won't be showing off any Ubisoft games at E3 this year

Hah take that!

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

They abandoned the WiiU because it has sold like garbage for the past 2 YEARS.

No it hasn't.
Go look at its release date.

Why invest in a system that has been lapped by the XB1 and PS4 twice?

No it hasn't.
PS4 is ahead, Xbone is behind in ww sales.

It is less powerful and is still tied to DVDs as a storage media...

No it isn't.
Its a high density proprietary format.

Lets face it, the WiiU is this generation's GameCube.

No it isn't.
GC had third party support. It even had third party exclusies.

 

[Petrae]

Nintendo: We won't be showing off any Ubisoft games at E3 this year

Hah take that!

And Nintendo fans cheered in unison, with shouts of "Their games are crap" and "We weren't gonna buy 'em anyway" resounding across the Internet.

 

[StevieP]

They abandoned the WiiU because it has sold like garbage for the past 2 YEARS.

Why invest in a system that has been lapped by the XB1 and PS4 twice?

It is less powerful and is still tied to DVDs as a storage media...

Lets face it, the WiiU is this generation's GameCube.

Might want to get your facts straight. Wii's storage medium was directly based on DVD. Wii U's storage medium is directly based on Blu ray. They aren't standard format but that doesn't really matter in regards to its drive. That the console doesn't play blu ray movies is entirely a licensing issue.

 

[Metallix87]

And Nintendo fans cheered in unison, with shouts of "Their games are crap" and "We weren't gonna buy 'em anyway" resounding across the Internet.

Isn't the latter true, though?

 

[DNAbro]

And now this: https://twitter.com/UbiTessa/statuses/469892904157478912

I would LOVE to buy Watch Dogs on the wii u, but it's not going to be the best version. That is my problem with the 3rd party support of the Wii U. I played AC4 on my shiny new PS4 rather than my shiny new Wii U cause it would be better on the PS4. If you own multiple consoles, I don't see why anyone would willingly buy 3rd party games that are better on other consoles.

My Wii U will be Nintendo games only, barring some 3rd party exclusives. Maybe if they created a console to compete with the PS4 and One, i would buy 3rd party games on it.

 

[komplanen]

Isn't the latter true, though?

NeoGAF may agree that Ubisoft doesn't make quality games but they do make games that sell a ton wether we agree or not.

 

[ChrisMahoney]

No it hasn't.
PS4 is ahead, Xbone is behind in ww sales.

Together they've lapped it twice.

 

[Bugz]

my WiiU is sitting under my bluray in the closet. So sad.

 

[JordanN]

Nintendo: We won't be showing off any Ubisoft games at E3 this year

Hah take that!

I don't get it.

Nintendo needs Ubisoft. Ubisoft doesn't need Nintendo.
I would be surprised if Iwata hasn't made secret phone calls to Yves Guillemot begging him to stay "Please, please. Don't leave us. We promise we'll do better. Just don't abandon us, please!"

 

[Petrae]

Isn't the latter true, though?

Well okay, then. So this is actually good news for fans. Cleans up some of the unwanted games and makes room for what really matters: Nintendo's own software.

If we're choosing to support the theory that consumers only buy Nintendo platforms to play Nintendo games, then this gets us one step closer to either proving or disproving it. For fans, it's the best scenario. For everyone else, it means that Nintendo likely is relegated to a secondary or tertiary hardware option.

If Nintendo can sell enough hardware to get back to profitability using this model, that's great. Being number one may not matter much to Mr. Iwata and his staff. Maybe that's okay.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Together they've lapped it twice.

And WiiU +PS4 has lapped Xbone 3 times!

What an absolutely mental sales measurement.

 

[nephilimdj]

NeoGAF may agree that Ubisoft doesn't make quality games but they do make games that sell a ton wether we agree or not.

South Park, Children of light (did come to wiiu) and now Valiant Hearts: The Great War next month, ubisoft are on a roll lately. Which really doesn't help the WiiU

 

[Metallix87]

NeoGAF may agree that Ubisoft doesn't make quality games but they do make games that sell a ton wether we agree or not.

How does that answer my question, exactly? Fact is, this whole thread revolves around the fact that Wii U owners (a.k.a. Nintendo fans) aren't buying third party content, specifically Ubisoft games. Whether they're good or not or whether they sell well or not is irrelevant, the point is Nintendo fans are clearly not interested, for one reason or another.

 

[Darth Ghandi]

Can't say I'm surprised. A bit disappointed but not surprised.

Ubi put some great games on it imo. Splinter Cell was awesome the way they used the gamepad.
Thought AC4 was a solid game.
And ZombieU is a gem of a game.
Going to get child of light soon as well.

But i guess the games Ubi want to develop don't share the ams profile of games that sell well on the Wii U.
The funny part is that i own a Wii U and a PS4 and my Wii U get waaay more game time atm.

 

[Interceptor]

They abandoned the WiiU because it has sold like garbage for the past 2 YEARS.

Why invest in a system that has been lapped by the XB1 and PS4 twice?

It is less powerful and is still tied to DVDs as a storage media...

Lets face it, the WiiU is this generation's GameCube.

I found 2 lies in this comment. Who can top me?


Edit: Beaten like a Wii U.

 

[Quasar]

And Nintendo fans cheered in unison, with shouts of "Their games are crap" and "We weren't gonna buy 'em anyway" resounding across the Internet.

And that longheld stance is pretty much why I've never owned a Nintendo piece of hardware. I'm just unwilling to buy Nintendo hardware just for a handful of 1st party games, no matter how good they are.

 

[MisterGrey3000]

And Nintendo fans cheered in unison, with shouts of "Their games are crap" and "We weren't gonna buy 'em anyway" resounding across the Internet.

I bought Rayman Legends, and Child of Light. I'd love for Ubisoft to keep supporting the WiiU, but I'm not going to buy Splinter Cell or AC. It's just not the kind of game I'm down for on a Nintendo console. I understand that attitudes like this aren't going to help, but I really don't give a shit. Nintendo has created a healthy ecosystem for those kinds of games, and they're the kind of games I want.
:/
Make more platforming(or platformer RPG)games, and I'll buy them on my WiiU.

 

[axisofweevils]

And Nintendo fans cheered in unison, with shouts of "Their games are crap" and "We weren't gonna buy 'em anyway" resounding across the Internet.

You can only poison the well so many times before people stop wanting to draw water from it.

 

[nbnt]

Nvm. Sorry. Already posted here.

 

[Wolfgang Jr]

She ruined WLIIA; now she's trying to ruin E3

 

[EBreda]

Not even 3ds?
You would think Ubi could at least come up with another Rayman thing. Maybe port their iOS Run games and release it digitally.

Thats odd.

 

[David H Wong]

And WiiU +PS4 has lapped Xbone 3 times!

What an absolutely mental sales measurement.

So your position is that the WiiU is selling well?

Otherwise I can't tell what you're doing here.

 

[Village_Idiot]

Just realised that apart from zombiu they've never shown off a Wii u game at e3. Only mentioned the eventual release of ports... Except just dance.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

So your position is that the WiiU is selling well?

Otherwise I can't tell what you're doing here.

Nothing is selling well, why misrepresent what is actually happening with the console market?

 

[Kosma]

Nothing is selling well, why misrepresent what is actually happening with the console market?

Ps4 is selling better then anything ever.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Ps4 is selling better then anything ever.

in certain regions. In others its barely more than the WiiU.

 

[cafemomo]

Not even 3ds?
You would think Ubi could at least come up with another Rayman thing. Maybe port their iOS Run games and release it digitally.

Thats odd.

Ubisoft has no incentive to support the 3DS when it makes >1% of their sales

 

[Lernaean]

They abandoned the WiiU because it has sold like garbage for the past 2 YEARS.

Why invest in a system that has been lapped by the XB1 and PS4 twice?

It is less powerful and is still tied to DVDs as a storage media...

Lets face it, the WiiU is this generation's GameCube.

I love posts like this, let's roll.

Third party games sell like shit on the WiiU because they are mostly either shit ports or super-late ports. Good ports and first party games sell mostly good and the WiiU has an attach rate of almost 50% on certain games. I wonder if any other platform can claim the same.

Lapped by the X1 and PS4 twice? Not even close. X1 still struggles to reach WiiU numbers and the PS4 even though it sells great has a very long way before it reaches double WiiU numbers. In certain areas it sells almost as shitty as the WiiU.

The WiiU is indeed less powerful but it is not tied to DVD, it also indeed does not play Blurays. What it does play is games, and a lot of them look and certainly run better that those in the other more powerful machines, who would have guessed.

I absolutely hope it's this generation's GC. The GC was an awesome platform and by its end it had a great library of many high quality games not available anywhere else. That's quite a feat.

If many of you uninformed posters were gaming enthusiasts and not platform loyalists you would know that you are missing some great games and most likely you'd have a WiiU already, but alas.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Third party games sell like shit on the WiiU because they are mostly either shit ports or super-late ports.

They sell poorly, because there isn't an audience for them. This notion of some sort of super-elite connoisseur installed base that's simply too good to buy any of these terrible third party games is simply a bizarre fantasy constructed out of post-purchase rationalization.

Good ports ... sell mostly good.

Feel free to provide examples...

 

[Lernaean]

They sell poorly, because there isn't an audience for them. This notion of some sort of super-elite connoisseur installed base that's simply too good to buy any of these terrible third party games is simply a bizarre fantasy constructed out of post-purchase rationalization.
Feel free to provide examples...

No, i afree that there is no installed base for most of them, but they are bad and late ports too, and it adds to the problem.

NFS did not sell bad on WiiU, against expectations, and Rayman sold best on WiiU.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Nintendo should make WiiU development worthwhile , the device itself clearly is not favored by even some Nintendo fans.

 

[shinra-bansho]

No, i afree that there is no installed base for most of them, but they are bad and late ports too, and it adds to the problem.

NFS did not sell bad on WiiU, against expectations, and Rayman sold best on WiiU.

Huh? Need for Speed sold less than 10K (NPD) when it released on the Wii U, giving it something like a <1% attach rate.

It's not just installed base, it's audience within the installed base.

^This didn't outsell NBA 2K13 in December NPD 2012, because it was of fantastically superior quality.

Similarly, yes, Rayman sold better on the Wii U than other systems (it still sold poorly overall), but that only serves to reinforce the audience-dependent nature of software sales.

Which is why, while Ubisoft may not be announcing any Nintendo games, if they do put out another Rayman, it will be on the Wii U as well. What likely won't be coming is something like AC:Comet or another Splinter Cell or any sort of Far Cry game.

 

[FourMyle]

Wow it is amazing the amount of hurt feelings this statement has caused.

 

[pelican]

I doubt any of the big 3rd parties will have Nintendo presences.

If so which ones?

 

[pelican]

Nintendo should make WiiU development worthwhile , the device itself clearly is not favored by even some Nintendo fans.

Agreed. It is easily the worst Nintendo console for me personally.

Such a fall from the heights of the SNES, N64 and Gamecube.