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[Eidan]

That video was absolutely disgusting. The guy was fucking pathetic.

 

[ICKE]

I just want to say that if you believe that men can be "alpha" or "beta" or these other silly and offensive and disturbing ideas, you hold the same values as he did.

And calling him a "pussy" or other sexist, homophobic, femmephobic, or other problematic and degrading terms, it won't bring back the poor people who died. It will only reinforce the social values that made him the way he was.

It doesn't accomplish anything to just blame everything on him and his parents, even though what he did was horrible. We as a society need to take responsibility for creating people who feel like he did. And try to prevent that from happening again.

I feel like crying.

Have to respond even if I wanted to stay away from the discussion. I understand your sentiment and there is definitely a bigger problem in our society as to what we expect from young men.

There is this notion that one becomes a man via having sex with a female or going through the rites of passage which means joining the army and learning how to kill for your country. This whole incident reminds me of my Irish history teacher who said in front of the whole class : "if you haven't scored any by the time your graduation dance is over and the last song has played, you probably never will and might want to consider offing yourself". We all laughed, 16-17 year old boys that we were, but that sort of peer pressure can definitely do a lot of harm - glorifying sex in such a way.

Nothing justifies going on a rampage however and I still personally don't believe this is just about a lack of human contact. These people tend to come from a specific socioeconomic background and we are not talking about poor minority families...

 

[Philia]

I've be on the internet for like 20 years now and this is one of the most unsettling things I've seen. There's a lot of layers to this.

Agreed. I think the fact that this guy was pretty much known all out there in the internet, putting pussy on the pedestal 100% and yet nothing is helping and very likely, the internet had made it much MUCH worse. Knowing this... is scary.

 

[AlexMogil]

Empathetic dissonance and the need to be right.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

I just want to say that if you believe that men can be "alpha" or "beta" or these other silly and offensive and disturbing ideas, you hold the same values as he did.

And calling him a "pussy" or other sexist, homophobic, femmephobic, or other problematic and degrading terms, it won't bring back the poor people who died. It will only reinforce the social values that made him the way he was.

It doesn't accomplish anything to just blame everything on him and his parents, even though what he did was horrible. We as a society need to take responsibility for creating people who feel like he did. And try to prevent that from happening again.

I feel like crying.

....and yet the only hate he got was from when he died. Calling him a "pussy" or other sexist, homophobic, femmephobic, or other problematic and degrading terms" is pointless but how is it damaging? None of his videos had hate comments UNTIL he died. Then "The Internet" lashed out on his videos. Basically, why are you upset about comments that he didn't receive until after he died and killed people?

If you look at his channel/and BB forum he talked about how guys are "certain guys are scumbags" and questioned why "this girl was with this guy".

The dude was the definition of upperclass first world problems and took out his anger on people who had nothing to do with him. Innocents died because of his selfish actions.

 

[Unhandled Exception]

Have to respond even if I wanted to stay away from the discussion. I understand your sentiment and there is definitely a bigger problem in our society as to what we expect from young men.

Over here there is a saying that boys become men only by having sex with a female or going through the rites of passage (joining the army and learning how to kill).

This reminds me of my history teacher who said in front of the whole class : "if you haven't scored any by the time your graduation dance is over and the last song has played, you probably never will and might want to consider offing yourself". We all laughed, 16-17 year old boys that we were, but that sort of peer pressure can definitely do a lot of harm. Glorifying sex in such a way.

Not to mention his exposure to some of the worst parts of Western culture was likely an every day thing just reinforcing the already present illness.

 

[Ashes]

That is a textbook psychopath. It was probably inevitable that he would end up killing, regardless if others gave him what he wanted.

Perhaps.

 

[Somnid]

I'm going to try to avoid this subject and thinking about it any more because I can already feel it starting to ruin my whole day. This world is so sad. :<

It sounds like he was really really misogynistic and placed too much value on sex.

I do think that we should try to understand why people do things like this so we can hopefully stop it from happening as much. It sounds like he was really misogynist. And maybe he didn't just place so much value on sex and degrade others because he was selfish, but because society and hegemonic masculinity pressured him into thinking that he was supposed to have sex by a certain age.

I feel like many men are taught that they need to have sex for other people to give them respect and love. I don't think that so many people would think that having sex is this important if they didn't think it would make them loved. Which makes misogyny and acting predatory worse.

Hegemonic masculinity must have contributed to him becoming so horrible. And worse, a lot of people are reacting to this by doing the same horrible sorts of behavior he did in some ways. Calling him, an awful misogynist, a "pussy", comparing him to a woman. Or comparing him to a homosexual.

I feel like misogynist, homophobic and femmephobic behavior like that is what creates people with such terrible misogynistic ideas as him. Just labeling someone as "crazy" is ableist and doesn't help anything. He was someone who lived in a patriarchal society and believed in its values.

I should stop thinking about this because this is going to make me really depressed. I'm so sad that people died. I'm so sad that he was led to be an awful misogynist who wanted to kill innocent people. I'm so sad that people are responding to what he did by reinforcing misogyny and behavior that probably led to him becoming the person that he did.

Good post. It's easy to say "dude was crazy" but ignore the cultural forces behind it. Even crazy people are bound by their culture and go crazy in particular ways and for particular reasons that are based on their cultural values.

 

[pants]

Where are you guys getting cowardice from? Which specific thing that he did makes you attribute that to this dude? I think the scary thing about him is that he is not a coward and actually acted out his internal 'wants' despite that it would end his life, also evidenced by those pitiful youtube videos he put up (which he must have known are pathetic) despite what people would think of him.. yeah, again I'm scared that this dude had the guts to go through with his extremely misguided thoughts.

 

[Anion]

I don't even know man. From watching his videos and reading his threads, it seems as if he expected the world

Spoiler

(mostly girls)

to flock to him.

Seems like an idiotic nutcase who didn't even try cause he was too impatient

 

[Zhengi]

Holy shit at that video. That was so disturbing. My condolences to the victims' families.

 

[Eidan]

I can't imagine what a guy like him would have even DONE with a girlfriend. He doesn't strike me as the kind, affectionate type.

 

[MercuryLS]

Decent-looking rich young dude driving a BMW unable to get any in college.

Clearly girls could smell the crazy on him.

If he's anything like he is in his videos, everyone can smell the crazy on him. Dude is straight creepy.

 

[Unhandled Exception]

Where are you guys getting cowardice from? Which specific thing that he did makes you attribute that to this dude? I think the scary thing about him is that he is not a coward and actually acted out his internal 'wants' despite that it would end his life, also that he pit up those pitiful youtube videos (which he must have known are pathetic) despite what people would think of him.. yeah, again I'm scared that this dude had the guts to go through with his extremely misguided thoughts.

It doesn't take guts to pull a trigger when you've already decided the world will never change for you even when you're the perfect human.

 

[Zamorro]

The kid had more money than most do in a lifetime. If he wanted a prostitute, he would've had his pick. It's plainly obvious the issue is deeper than the surface level manifestation.

http://www.shouselaw.com/engaging_in_prostitution.html

It's not that easy in California. Given this guy's character, he wouldn't be able to consider the humiliation of being arrested for soliciting sex.

 

[alterno69]

This is so sad. From the videos he looks really uncomfortable all the time, you can see part of it is an act. So many failures around his life, clearly his parent failed him, schooll system failed him(beeing forced to be home schooled), society as a whole needs to find a way to identify these type of people amd lend a hand to them before it's too late. Too many lives are lost everyday cause these fragile, unstable minds are laughed at for being diferent instead of being offered help.

Yes the dude was crazy but we are a result of our environment, we don't grow up in a vacuum, we are the result of the actions if hundreds of people around us everyday. At some point in his life he most have been a regular kid and somewhere along the road he turned into what he was in the end.

I'd like to kmow what his parents have to say, how can you raise a kid like that? Is money/work so important what you neglect your own son like he probanly was? It's clear you could see this dude problems from a mile away.

 

[TheExhaustedWalrus]

My condolences to families affected by this tragedy.

If you look into this kid's videos, you get a sense of "American Psycho"-esque insanity. Most videos are him driving around flaunting his attractiveness while listening to 80s music. It really is quite disturbing.

 

[_Ryo_]

This is very sad. My thoughts and hopes for the deceaseds family and friends. It is clear that this man was in serious need of help. And there are so many ways he could have helped himself also.

He could have tried online dating. And if all that he wanted was just sex he could have tried relations with escorts or prostitutes. He clearly had the money for that sort of thing but I get the feeling he disagreed with such activities, especially in the way he objectifies women and calls all women who are interested in other men, not him whores. More evidence is what he said about women's choices in clothing. Like I said, it is very sad. I think if he would have tried to help himself a bit and had gone for therapy and to learn to not expect everything to come to him because he was loaded he could have recovered from his loneliness.

I don't understand why the site is taking down anything related either. Instead of making the forum not look bad it makes them appear to not care about the possibilities the guys messages might have for study and analysis which would aid in the understandings in mental illness and how to treat them medically and provide any evidence or rationale behind the guys thinking that might give the families of the deceased closure. So, while it is understandable to not want to be associated with such an event, it still makes the forum appear uncaring and douchey. UNLESS they are backing up all data and handing it over to the authorities and those wanting closure.

 

[Unhandled Exception]

http://www.shouselaw.com/engaging_in_prostitution.html

It's not that easy in California. Given this guy's character, he wouldn't be able to consider the humiliation of being arrested for soliciting sex.

Which wouldn't change even if it were legal.

 

[w1gglyjones]

Where are you guys getting cowardice from? Which specific thing that he did makes you attribute that to this dude? I think the scary thing about him is that he is not a coward and actually acted out his internal 'wants' despite that it would end his life, also evidenced by those pitiful youtube videos he put up (which he must have known are pathetic) despite what people would think of him.. yeah, again I'm scared that this dude had the guts to go through with his extremely misguided thoughts.

i think they are referring to his cowardice with respect to accepting and coping with his situation rather than try to impose on the rights of others to life, safety and freedom through violence?

 

[Mister Wilhelm]

If there's one thing in common with all of these pussies that go around killing innocent, unarmed people, it's an unbelievable sense of entitlement coupled with their inability to take responsibility for their own problems.

 

[Blood Red Sky]

Fuck a duck.

Women are human beings, not trophies to be earned or won. A beautiful woman isn't a gold medal - she's a person, and if she's with a guy it's because they met, talked and got along well. Not because he tilted the pinball machine.

 

[N.Domixis]

How did no one report these videos to higher ups, he was making mass murder threats.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

All the comments on the BB forum, I wonder if it contributed to him snapping? Surely he is his own individual, but did those comment help him snap?


I wonder if he was a psychopath. If he was that would be more reassuraring. The alternative that he was just a normal guy who became crazy because he didn't get laid is a lot more scary. If you check many of the reddit subforums, you can see a lot of people who are making threads about suicidal thoughts because they can't find anyone nice guys bla bla bla all girls are shallow bla bla bla.


Check your privilege, phaggot and all those other things people told him in the BB misc thread was probably not very constructive but probably made him more angry.

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

How did no one report these videos to higher ups, he was making mass murder threats.

they were posted a couple hours before

 

[Nvzman]

So how quickly does Fox news link this to Hunger games and demand it banned?

It's more like NBC linking this to violent video games as usual.

 

[alterno69]

All the comments on the BB forum, I wonder if it contributed to him snapping? Surely he is his own individual, but did those comment help him snap?


I wonder if he was a psychopath. If he was that would be more reassuraring. The alternative that he was just a normal guy who became crazy because he didn't get laid is a lot more scary. If you check many of the reddit subforums, you can see a lot of people who are making threads about suicidal thoughts because they can't find anyone nice guys bla bla bla all girls are shallow bla bla bla.


Check your privilege, phaggot and all those other things people told him in the BB misc thread was probably not very constructive but probably made him more angry.

Everything adds up IMO, not to say it's the forum fault, not at all. But the dude was clearly unstable and his perception of reality was way off. I'm sure all the comments in the bb forum were messing with his head someway too.

 

[Mariolee]

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the six students. This kid....
I want to think we're not getting the whole picture here, but it seems simply put that the kid was mentally unstable.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I thought this was a parody


http://youtu.be/7KP62TE1prs

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Whiney spoiled kid can't cope with learning how to earn what he wants (companionship, physical gratification) so he decides to go out in a blaze of glory and (his own deluded words) "Become a God".

How his pain is somehow the fault of the entire world goes to show the twisted worldview this kid had.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

This is so sad. From the videos he looks really uncomfortable all the time, you can see part of it is an act. So many failures around his life, clearly his parent failed him, schooll system failed him(beeing forced to be home schooled), society as a whole needs to find a way to identify these type of people amd lend a hand to them before it's too late. Too many lives are lost everyday cause these fragile, unstable minds are laughed at for being diferent instead of being offered help.

Yes the dude was crazy but we are a result of our environment, we don't grow up in a vacuum, we are the result of the actions if hundreds of people around us everyday. At some point in his life he most have been a regular kid and somewhere along the road he turned into what he was in the end.

I'd like to kmow what his parents have to say, how can you raise a kid like that? Is money/work so important what you neglect your own son like he probanly was? It's clear you could see this dude problems from a mile away.

Why are you blaming everyone but him? Where are you getting the information from that he had people fail him? If school failed him then why is still attending? If his parents failed him, why does he have a BMW?

Nowhere has suggested (or confirmed) that he was mentally ill yet that's the excuse people are giving at the moment. "He couldn't have just been a jealous, misogynistic nutjob with a gun, no it must be to do with mental illness...and then while we're at it say how everyone around him failed him. Blame schools. Blame parents and blame society (which doesn't even have any meaning)".

Instead of questioning why and doing "let's pretend to be a mental detective", wish the best for the families instead.

 

[pants]

It doesn't take guts to pull a trigger when you've already decided the world will never change for you even when you're the perfect human.

I'm not specifically saying he has courage either, just that he is neither specifically a coward or a specifically courageous person. It's a weird label I see applied all the time.

i think they are referring to his cowardice with respect to accepting and coping with his situation

He obviously made up his mind and coped with it like he wanted to, what he did was terrible but he wasn't lacking in conviction. The second part of your sentence is unrelated to what we are talking about.

It honestly feels like you guys are just throwing labels around, I've seen this label being used in media often as well.

EDIT: Before anyone misreads, no I am not trying to, nor do I want to defend this guy at all. I want to have an honest discussion about him and people like him (what I truly want is more money going into studying people like this to identify and treat them early if possible) ideally we all want this to never happen again and I feel every time this has happened in the last decade people will rather sweep it under the rug by applying labels to the perpetrators and oddly being satisfied when the response by authorities is increased policing, which will never be the cure of the root cause, whatever that may be. Only honest, unprejudiced studies into these people with a view to forming help programs/treatments and destigmatization of root problem .

 

[EdibleKnife]

"I'm the perfect guy." - You know save for the fact that at your low point you decide that murder is your solution to sate your feelings and your opinions of your fellow man as ants that you'd take great pleasure in stepping on.

Praying for the families of the murdered students and this kids own family.

 

[Diablos]

He laughs like Seymour from Final Fantasy X and his spiteful commentary is straight out of a JRPG/animu.

Sigh. He was completely delusional.

 

[Cloud Strife]

What a piece of shit. I can't believe with everything else wrong with this world this guy decides to do what he did because he couldn't get laid.

"WAH WAH I'M SINGLE"

Holy shit.

 

[alterno69]

Why are you blaming everyone but him? Where are you getting the information from that he had people fail him? If school failed him then why is still attending? If his parents failed him, why does he have a BMW?

Nowhere has suggested (or confirmed) that he was mentally ill yet that's the excuse people are giving at the moment. "He couldn't have just been a jealous, misogynistic nutjob with a gun, no it must be to do with mental illness...and then while we're at it say how everyone around him failed him. Blame schools. Blame parents and blame society (which doesn't even have any meaning)".

I'm not blaming anyone, i'm saying we all are a result of the environment we grow in, our relationship with our parents, our friends or lack of, people around us affect us everyday in different ways. What i'm saying is we as a society should try harder to undestand that and do something about it. You don't think the school system failed him when he was forced to be home schooled after being bullyied? He is the only one responsinle for his crimes but people around him did contribute to the way he grew up in some part.

 

[Cromat]

Crazy asshole. I wonder if his parents had any clue of how disturbed he was...

 

[Unhandled Exception]

I'm not specifically saying he has courage either, just that he is neither specifically a coward or a specifically courageous person. It's a weird label I see applied all the time.

I'm not using it to label him, only to understand his actions. When faced with an irreconcilable problem like he must've thought he had before him, he chose the cowardly route of going with the obviously wrong actions. You can tell by the forced "evil laughs" in his video that he had resigned himself to a violent impulse rather than actually putting in the work to deal with the problem. He made sure he isn't around to deal with the consequences of his actions as well.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

This dude does not care about getting some nookie just because. He already knows what kind of person he wants to be hes too prideful of his "standards"

 

[SquiddyCracker]

It is sad that people have died, because what he said is so outrageously self-entitled that it could have been worth a thread of its own so that we could have laughed at the absurdity.

Hopefully this will go to show that you can be a creep no matter how good looking you are, or how rich you are, and that if all you can do is complain about how unfair life is then you'll probably not end up getting what you desire.

That is the truly scary thing, that the things he has said has been made fun of time and time again when overweight "losers" have said them. There must be thousands of young men out there saying exactly this sort of shit on tumblr or facebook, so the question is when and what will make them blow up like this guy did.

 

[Real Hero]

Fucker thought the world owed him something

 

[Telephoto999]

People here thinking that prostitution could have changed the outcome. No, you are not listening to what he is saying and how he is thinking.

"I can't get laid."
"Girls reject me"
"I'm a virgin"
"I will punish you girls for denying me."
"Girls want to fuck these douchebags but not me"

then it'll just be

"Girls forced me to pay for sex. How humiliating"
"I lost my virginity to a prostitute. How degrading."
"I will punish you girls"

As I stated when I first breached the subject.. in this particular case it would not.

But some of his underlying issues I am sure many.. many men go through and as a result act out violently because of it. Maybe not to the level of murder, but still act out.

In the same way that all poor people don't turn to a life of crime, all virgins don't murder. But being poor is typically a motivation for crime, just as being horny as hell and having large amounts of testosterone motivating you to do something about it can be a pusher of violence.

 

[alterno69]

Crazy asshole. I wonder if his parents had any clue of how disturbed he was...

He did mention in the BB forum his parents made him take down some videos, who knows what videos but if they were anything like the ones surfscing now then they should have been really worried and paid more attention to them.

 

[mltplkxr]

Anybody can suffer from depression, regardless of circumstances. It has nothing to do with how rich his family is or what kind of car he drives.

Oh yeah, for sure. It never occurred to me that this guy was suffering from depression though. Depression, to me, involves a complete loss of energy to do anything whatsoever. I don't think that when you're depressed you go around driving, filming, and exposing yourself on Youtube. You pretty much just don't want to anything but die. It might be that I'm confounding depression with burn-out, which are related but different. Now that you mention it though, it's another interesting facet to this case.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Reminds me of the guy in this case:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Collier_Township_shooting

Similar motive: Couldn't get laid and VERY bitter about it.

 

[Windam]

Jesus this video is fucking creepy.

Guy is fucking coo coo..

http://youtu.be/7KP62TE1prs

Fuck, I have the same sweater that he's wearing in that video. Now I feel I have to burn it. Sick fuck.

 

[Unhandled Exception]

He did mention in the BB forum his parents made him take down some videos, who knows what videos but if they were anything like the ones surfscing now then they should have been really worried and paid more attention to them.

For all we know the parents may have thought in a similar manner as he did regarding his problems. "He's a good looking kid, maybe a BMW will sort things out."

 

[Skinpop]

Anybody can suffer from depression, regardless of circumstances. It has nothing to do with how rich his family is or what kind of car he drives.

same goes for psychopathy.

 

[muse41]

I'm not blaming the internet for what this kid did but I used to be a member on bodybuilding and posted on the Misc forum on that site.

Assuming that this kid probably had few friends and was very lonely, then I think reading a forum like that added a lot of pressure to him.

 

[Carcetti]

As I stated when I first breached the subject.. in this particular case it would not.

But some of his underlying issues I am sure many.. many men go through and as a result act out violently because of it. Maybe not to the level of murder, but still act out.

In the same way that all poor people don't turn to a life of crime, all virgins don't murder. But being poor is typically a motivation for crime, just as being horny as hell and having large amounts of testosterone motivating you to do something about it can be a pusher of violence.

They should enroll these psychos into courses for 'how to fap for absolute dummies'.