it's not even confirmed there was a second guy, or has some new info surfaced on the matter?
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it's not even confirmed there was a second guy, or has some new info surfaced on the matter?
Eighty Deuce
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Yea I think it might have changed the outcome. His mind was warped and the centerpiece of his thoughts was his virginity and not having female interaction.
Deified Data
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What happened here was a critical failure of compassion from several different sources.
I think.
I think.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Okay?
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A few different elements here. Clearly the entitlement angle comes to the forefront again, along with the dissonance he feels over his social class and how it contrasts with his actual social status and how his environment actually treats him. The success of his family may have made him feel like that much more of a failure himself as all the things he mentions are probably him coasting on that success.
But the most interesting part is how he flips out at the video getting more attention than he had anticipated? Not sure if this is genuine, as he could have easily made the video private or there is another struggle between crying for attention and feeling failure when people do notice and give him more negative attention. He's posting under his real name and provided multiple pieces of evidence to substantiate his claims so I'm not sure if we can take this at face value. The BB forum is also quite known for being less than friendly to these types of people so I wonder if he truly wanted their acceptance or was expecting to be made fun of further in order to eventually justify the course of action he was already quite determined to take.
Wildly speculating here and aware that there's a lot of things I can't possibly know and draw conclusions from but it's such weird case that I'm tempted to try and understand what went on. Kinda doubt there's a second guy, rather than crowd confusion.
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I feel sorry for all involved. Kid had a real problem. I know somebody that like him, has never been with a girl and some of the things he says are eerily similar to this.
Intimate contact with another human being is very powerful, especially for people that never receive any form of kindness from anyone. Even if it is with "just" a prostitute.
So, to answer you question, yes, buying a prostitute could have been the beginning of normalizing his problematic thinking. But sadly in the US paid sex is harder to find and less accepted than guns.
My guess is that he posted them up because he wanted attention from sympathetic females and got attention from mean dudes instead.
Maaaan... Watching his channel is like watching a sinister version of a cross between American Psycho and Drive. All this driving to the sappiest and blandest adult contemporary 80's music accompanied by his narrative is quite something.
There's a video where he's saying his life sucks and how much better it was when he was a kid... taken from the balcony of his father's house on a California hillside overlooking what looks like a pretty well-off neighborhood. Probably took his BMW down to the beach after too.
The disconnect between how he feels and how good he has it is striking. It brings a whole new meaning to the saying "Money doesn't bring happiness". I'd go so far as to say it's probably not that different from what some children of noble families felt in the past.
I hope a movie or documentary is made about his case. His story and his videos need to be put into context and explained by psychologists and psychiatrists. It's a great example of a lot of things: rejection, bullying, wasted youth, Internet vs real-life, the vast audience of the Internet vs the ego, etc. etc.
There's a video where he's saying his life sucks and how much better it was when he was a kid... taken from the balcony of his father's house on a California hillside overlooking what looks like a pretty well-off neighborhood. Probably took his BMW down to the beach after too.
The disconnect between how he feels and how good he has it is striking. It brings a whole new meaning to the saying "Money doesn't bring happiness". I'd go so far as to say it's probably not that different from what some children of noble families felt in the past.
I hope a movie or documentary is made about his case. His story and his videos need to be put into context and explained by psychologists and psychiatrists. It's a great example of a lot of things: rejection, bullying, wasted youth, Internet vs real-life, the vast audience of the Internet vs the ego, etc. etc.
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But isn't that forum fairly known for having its fair share of mean dudes?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Was just saying. He talk like he so beautiful
FortuneFaded
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Anybody can suffer from depression, regardless of circumstances. It has nothing to do with how rich his family is or what kind of car he drives.
ChubbyHuggs
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PirateKing
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Sorry I meant the Youtube video. It sounds like he's saying "I'm so awesome. You girls can date unworthy dudes, but here are several reasons why I'm better than them."
Not to say there weren't multiple people in the car, but eye-witness accounts is notoriously unreliable. I'd definitely take it with a grain of salt.
Unhandled Exception
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It may have delayed a violent outburst but the underlying psychological problems would've remained and possibly surfaced at a later date. The legality of prostitution is not nearly as important as proper psychiatric care in this case and any others like it.
figadapaura
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I am beyond creeped out. That laugh.
My thoughts go out to all the families involved. We desperately need more mental health awareness.
My thoughts go out to all the families involved. We desperately need more mental health awareness.
POWERSPHERE
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I don't beleive in hell but I will if you can promise this horrid turd is rotting in it.
HolyBaikal
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I'm going to try to avoid this subject and thinking about it any more because I can already feel it starting to ruin my whole day. This world is so sad. :<
It sounds like he was really really misogynistic and placed too much value on sex.
I do think that we should try to understand why people do things like this so we can hopefully stop it from happening as much. It sounds like he was really misogynist. And maybe he didn't just place so much value on sex and degrade others because he was selfish, but because society and hegemonic masculinity pressured him into thinking that he was supposed to have sex by a certain age.
I feel like many men are taught that they need to have sex for other people to give them respect and love. I don't think that so many people would think that having sex is this important if they didn't think it would make them loved. Which makes misogyny and acting predatory worse.
Hegemonic masculinity must have contributed to him becoming so horrible. And worse, a lot of people are reacting to this by doing the same horrible sorts of behavior he did in some ways. Calling him, an awful misogynist, a "pussy", comparing him to a woman. Or comparing him to a homosexual.
I feel like misogynist, homophobic and femmephobic behavior like that is what creates people with such terrible misogynistic ideas as him. Just labeling someone as "crazy" is ableist and doesn't help anything. He was someone who lived in a patriarchal society and believed in its values.
I should stop thinking about this because this is going to make me really depressed. I'm so sad that people died. I'm so sad that he was led to be an awful misogynist who wanted to kill innocent people. I'm so sad that people are responding to what he did by reinforcing misogyny and behavior that probably led to him becoming the person that he did.
It sounds like he was really really misogynistic and placed too much value on sex.
I do think that we should try to understand why people do things like this so we can hopefully stop it from happening as much. It sounds like he was really misogynist. And maybe he didn't just place so much value on sex and degrade others because he was selfish, but because society and hegemonic masculinity pressured him into thinking that he was supposed to have sex by a certain age.
I feel like many men are taught that they need to have sex for other people to give them respect and love. I don't think that so many people would think that having sex is this important if they didn't think it would make them loved. Which makes misogyny and acting predatory worse.
Hegemonic masculinity must have contributed to him becoming so horrible. And worse, a lot of people are reacting to this by doing the same horrible sorts of behavior he did in some ways. Calling him, an awful misogynist, a "pussy", comparing him to a woman. Or comparing him to a homosexual.
I feel like misogynist, homophobic and femmephobic behavior like that is what creates people with such terrible misogynistic ideas as him. Just labeling someone as "crazy" is ableist and doesn't help anything. He was someone who lived in a patriarchal society and believed in its values.
I should stop thinking about this because this is going to make me really depressed. I'm so sad that people died. I'm so sad that he was led to be an awful misogynist who wanted to kill innocent people. I'm so sad that people are responding to what he did by reinforcing misogyny and behavior that probably led to him becoming the person that he did.
Completely agreed. Though I do think his problems were more deeprooted than what he presents to us on the surface with the lack of sex or intimacy. Given his status, physical looks and his background, just saying he's the son of the guy who directed Hunger Games would have helped him talk and score with girls
It was his entire approach at communicating with someone outside his mind. He was someone that just came off as sadistic and off putting to the normal folks. Its difficult to help people who are unsociable to begin with. But he needed help gravely with that.
Why didn't this kid do something about it? If he had crappy friends, he should have dumped his crappy friends. If he had shitty parents, he should have called them out on their stupidity. If he felt like a loser, he should have started with small accomplishments. If he couldn't get a girlfriend, maybe he was trying too hard. Who cares if someone doesn't have a girlfriend. Killing people wow, so cool. What a fucking worthless idiot piece of shit asshole.
Sounds like a guy that got bullied before college. He's one of the ones that didn't adjust after though and let it consume him. For him women seems to represent the type of guy he wants to be and getting one would make him that type of guy. It wasn't about sex for him because if it was he could have paid for it. A disturbed guy for sure.
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I see a lot of posts condemning the kid to hell for his actions, and a lot of posts absolving him due to mental illness. I won't weigh in on which one I agree with because I don't know the circumstances of his life or mental well-being, but whatever the case, where do we draw the line of accountability? Clearly not all people who kill are mentally ill. Who's to say whether his rampage was inspired by delusion or simple hatred of the world?
Wow, seeing this blown up on CNN makes me glad that this awful kid youtubed the whole thing prior to his attack. Otherwise we'd never know why. Not saying that we need to know why, but more than enough times, people wanted to know why the asshole that shot up the street would go into lengths this way and ask for the killer's identity more time this shit passes in the news.
Frothing for justice and all that, but because of the kid's rich family, this would had been all swept in the rug eventually too. But because of the videos and huge amount of photo/video evidence (his car license plate and the timing of his death threat videos), its all out there in the internet to see now.
Shit's fucked up. Sincerely though, I'm personally all for better examinations of mental illnesses now.
Frothing for justice and all that, but because of the kid's rich family, this would had been all swept in the rug eventually too. But because of the videos and huge amount of photo/video evidence (his car license plate and the timing of his death threat videos), its all out there in the internet to see now.
Shit's fucked up. Sincerely though, I'm personally all for better examinations of mental illnesses now.
Homeschooled, father in Hollywood, mother on the French version of the Real Housewives... I think we're getting a good part of the picture already.
I disagree.
He's mentally disturbed.
Did you miss out on the bit where he said he was bullied and forced into home schooling? How his parents are divorced?
That kid is fucked in the head. If he fucked a prostitute he would end up killing someone else for another reason.
He was never going to be ok.
Well that explains the lack of social development during childhood. Its just tragic.
Extra Sauce
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Decent-looking rich young dude driving a BMW unable to get any in college.
Clearly girls could smell the crazy on him.
Clearly girls could smell the crazy on him.
HolyBaikal
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I just want to say that if you believe that men can be "alpha" or "beta" or these other silly and offensive and disturbing ideas, you hold the same values as he did.
And calling him a "pussy" or other sexist, homophobic, femmephobic, or other problematic and degrading terms, it won't bring back the poor people who died. It will only reinforce the social values that made him the way he was.
It doesn't accomplish anything to just blame everything on him and his parents, even though what he did was horrible. We as a society need to take responsibility for creating people who feel like he did. And try to prevent that from happening again.
I feel like crying.
And calling him a "pussy" or other sexist, homophobic, femmephobic, or other problematic and degrading terms, it won't bring back the poor people who died. It will only reinforce the social values that made him the way he was.
It doesn't accomplish anything to just blame everything on him and his parents, even though what he did was horrible. We as a society need to take responsibility for creating people who feel like he did. And try to prevent that from happening again.
I feel like crying.
POWERSPHERE
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A theory on what makes a kid like this from his speech. raised being told he's perfect, he's the greatest and can do no wrong. Reassured he's beautiful, smart and will have everything. He needs for nothing, and has all the time, money and resources to analyze and dissect things when they don't pan out how he sees they should, and can sway most things in his favour, but can't buy respect from his peers. His parents perhaps are too busy to raise him personally and he spends a good amount of his upbringing with staff. This makes a boy who desperately wants what other people gain from living a life of learning how to interact with other humans. When he doesn't get this by virtue of privilege he's lost, alienated and confused whilst 'lesser' beings are getting attention. He was promised the keys to all his desires but was never given the vehicle.
w1gglyjones
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People who are in control of their actions are held accountable. People who are not in control are not. That doesn't really affect society's action's when it comes to making sure everyone can live in safety - it just effects how society should react to a particular individual's actions.
I disagree. People like this almost never seek psychiatric care and you can't force it on them if it's just a youtube video or comment. If you could do that, you should lock up hundreds of thousands of people, looking at the average youtube comment.
But yeah, I think you are underestimating the importance of intimate contact on the human psyche. I guess it's hard to value something that's available in abundance to most people.
Unhandled Exception
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I could see it being a combination of both of these with a little hopelessness for himself thrown in. I think a large amount of cowardice played a role as well, clearly at some point he hit a mental wall that he chose not to reconcile with. Get help, change who you are or how you think or go out as miserable as you already are and make some others miserable too. He was accountable for any actions he had a cognitive decision process for but determining such things is impossible now.
The kid had more money than most do in a lifetime. If he wanted a prostitute, he would've had his pick. It's plainly obvious the issue is deeper than the surface level manifestation.
Your post makes me feel like crying. Individuals bear responsibility.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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((Kenshin001
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No prostitute would have loved him either, they probably would have mocked him or done the job but been repelled by his weirdness. It's fitting seeing people compare him to Patrick Bateman because had he started paying prostitutes he probably would have ended up killing one. While what he did is terrible the guy was obviously disturbed and needed some kind of therapy or treatment. I don't think he would have ever been "right" though. Just sad all round, mostly for the innocent victims.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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That is a textbook psychopath. It was probably inevitable that he would end up killing, regardless if others gave him what he wanted.
Sad deal all around, feel for the kid cause he was bullied and felt rejected. And from reading it sounds like this all could have been prevented too, parents seemed to be aware of the videos. Really sad for the victims in this, who had no roles what so ever, whom were just minding their own business.
And I really find it hard to believe that finding a prostitute would have helped, from what I gathered he was after some sort of relationship, not sex per-say. Prostitutes don't love people.
And I really find it hard to believe that finding a prostitute would have helped, from what I gathered he was after some sort of relationship, not sex per-say. Prostitutes don't love people.
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I've be on the internet for like 20 years now and this is one of the most unsettling things I've seen. There's a lot of layers to this.
you tuped misogyny like 10 times in that post.
and this shit didn't have anything to do with misogyny, he clearly was a troubled individual and was a ticking bomb. there's a lot of people in the world that are lonely and that have similar thinking to this piece of shit but you don't see them killing people.
this guy should have received mental help a long time ago but he didn't and this is what happened.
it has nothing to do with misogyny.
w1gglyjones
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People here thinking that prostitution could have changed the outcome. No, you are not listening to what he is saying and how he is thinking.
"I can't get laid."
"Girls reject me"
"I'm a virgin"
"I will punish you girls for denying me."
"Girls want to fuck these douchebags but not me"
then it'll just be
"Girls forced me to pay for sex. How humiliating"
"I lost my virginity to a prostitute. How degrading."
"I will punish you girls"
"I can't get laid."
"Girls reject me"
"I'm a virgin"
"I will punish you girls for denying me."
"Girls want to fuck these douchebags but not me"
then it'll just be
"Girls forced me to pay for sex. How humiliating"
"I lost my virginity to a prostitute. How degrading."
"I will punish you girls"
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