Seven Dead, Several Hospitalized in Isla Vista Mass Shooting

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I'm not using it to label him, only to understand his actions. When faced with an irreconcilable problem like he must've thought he had before him, he chose the cowardly route of going with the obviously wrong actions. You can tell by the forced "evil laughs" in his video that he had resigned himself to a violent impulse rather than actually putting in the work to deal with the problem. He made sure he isn't around to deal with the consequences of his actions as well.

Cowardly doesn't mean choosing the wrong option though, it's really not a function of right or wrong it's when you lack courage to do something. this guy did something. I don't necessarily subscribe to the 'suicide is the cowards way out' line either, it is a trivialization of far more complex and long standing issues.
 
They should enroll these psychos into courses for 'how to fap for absolute dummies'.

Fapping does very little other than temporarily relieving the body of excess sperm. The endorphins and physical release that is experienced with a female is much, much different than simply having an orgasm.
 
Insanely interesting how much of an internet footprint he left. Thanks op for aggregating. While dude was crazy, I also think he had a sense of self-awareness. Subtle cues in the videos give it away.
 
Cowardly doesn't mean choosing the wrong option though, it's really not a function of right or wrong it's when you lack courage to do something. this guy did something. I don't necessarily subscribe to the 'suicide is the cowards way out' line either, it is a trivialization of far more complex and long standing issues.

Coward can also mean to be afraid of emotional pain. He didn't deal with his emotional pain. From the looks of it he didn't even try. The idea of killing others came up in his mind when he thought about his emotional wounds and yet no help was sought for it. He's a coward. Is he an emotionally and mentally damaged coward? Sure. He's a coward none the less. He removed the people from this world who wounded him and removed himself so his actions come without consequence to him.
 
Cowardly doesn't mean choosing the wrong option though, it's really not a function of right or wrong it's when you lack courage to do something. this guy did something. I don't necessarily subscribe to the 'suicide is the cowards way out' line either, it is a trivialization of far more complex and long standing issues.

Neither of your points take in the context of the situation. He didn't just choose any wrong option, he chose to murder people instead of working on himself. He didn't just choose to kill himself, he did it after he murdered people. Two cowardly acts in the context of what transpired.
 
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Insanely interesting how much of an internet footprint he left. Thanks op for aggregating. While dude was crazy, I also think he had a sense of self-awareness. Subtle cues in the videos give it away.

i think youre definitely right. he even went for a purposefully villainous sounding fake laugh: 'muahahaha'.
 
Insanely interesting how much of an internet footprint he left. Thanks op for aggregating. While dude was crazy, I also think he had a sense of self-awareness. Subtle cues in the videos give it away.

There was a moment in that video where he forgot his line, stuttered and looked down to his feet as if to remember what his next pre-rehearsed sentence was, before getting a glint in his eye like 'i remember' then popping his head back up and continuing on with his tale. That moment absolutely terrified me.
 
It was the car line in one of them that sealed it for me. Says he has a nicer car than all them brahs, then it hits him and remembers he drives a bmw in cali, which is like driving a civic anywhere. You can see he remembers this and then says.. well better than 90%.. lol.
 
It is sad that people have died, because what he said is so outrageously self-entitled that it could have been worth a thread of its own so that we could have laughed at the absurdity.

Hopefully this will go to show that you can be a creep no matter how good looking you are, or how rich you are, and that if all you can do is complain about how unfair life is then you'll probably not end up getting what you desire.

That is the truly scary thing, that the things he has said has been made fun of time and time again when overweight "losers" have said them. There must be thousands of young men out there saying exactly this sort of shit on tumblr or facebook, so the question is when and what will make them blow up like this guy did.
I don't get this creep paradigm in this situation. Dude was mentally ill. This wasn't some frustrated chump.
 
Yeah, I think him being rich has little to do with people being happy. Those of us who has grown up poor have a difficult time understanding. For what that car have cost he could have traveled the world and had eye opening experiences and become a different person.

I think a poor judgement lead him down this road. The entire thing about "whining" about your problems in a youtube video, is so self depricating to making yourself attractive. I don't think the guy could help himself.

Maybe his mother even tried telling him that doing shit like that was incredible off-putting but he kept going down this road for validation. And everywhere he kept getting met with failures. He failed completely at the internet, on BB, Youtube, facebook and other places. So instead of fixing it he kept spiraling into this victimhood mentality. And then the world becomes the enemy, and he can't see his own bullshit.


Fuck. People need friends and family to keep their bullshit in check. I think to a certain point a lot of people become so lonely they can't rationalize anything even more. But to take that feeling of isolation, need for validation as a incubator for wanting to kill people. It doesn't make sense because how could he rationalize that it would help him getting laid?
He must have contemplated enough that he was never going to get laid. So is that some sort of incredible low self-worth, self-loathing or depression? When people are low like this their narcissistic tendency's become even stronger.
 
I don't get this creep paradigm in this situation. Dude was mentally ill. This wasn't some frustrated chump.

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Really?
His views are pretty much in line with your average "nice guy", but he just happens to be better looking than most of them which presumably would turn his views even more extreme.
 
Some people in this thread are attempting to simplify his motives far, far too much. If you honestly think that mass murderers like this are driven solely by "wah, I can't get laid" then I think you need to think the details of this story through a bit more.

While i'm not aware of every detail of this kid's life, I really feel like his parents should have known enough about his mental state to get him some psychiatric help. One of the links references that his parents were at least aware of some of his Youtube videos so i'm not sure what their excuse is for not doing anything more beyond that. Reading through some of his posts on BB makes him seem desperate like he'd been in a state of depression for a very long time and that this wasn't some spur of the moment thing for him.

Either way, the fancy car he drives and his parents' income are irrelevant in the context of depression. Sitting around calling him privileged and questioning how some that lucky can commit a crime like this isn't going to help anyone in understanding why he did what he did.
 
I'm not blaming anyone, i'm saying we all are a result of the environment we grow in, our relationship with our parents, our friends or lack of, people around us affect us everyday in different ways. What i'm saying is we as a society should try harder to undestand that and do something about it. You don't think the school system failed him when he was forced to be home schooled after being bullyied? He is the only one responsinle for his crimes but people around him did contribute to the way he grew up in some part.

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So many failures around his life, clearly his parent failed him, schooll system failed him(beeing forced to be home schooled), society as a whole needs to find a way to identify these type of people amd lend a hand to them before it's too late.
As I stated, how did his school fail him if he got into another school? How did his parents fail him if he owns a BMW (and was even home schooled..therefore, they care). There's a comment on his videos which states he had to take his videos down because his parents weren't happy with them. Fair enough I agree with you in that you are shaped by your environment and yes he does seem to have low self esteem/some form of depression, but he's the one who acted out on that in the worst way. He could be mature and ignore stuff but instead he leaves hateful comments and then acted out his hate on people who he no connection to.

I'm also interested in facts. Can anyone confirm that he was mentally ill? Can anyone confirm that he was bullied? Because it's all been speculation and theories from internet detectives "Maybe his parents ..." "Maybe this person...." "Maybe his school....".

The proof is in the videos. His disregard and thoughts on women. His views on men. His thoughts on couples. How he saw himself. The comments he left on videos. He even had this planned out in the retribution video complete with a villainous laugh!

He's a completely pathetic, selfish, spoiled loser.

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As I stated when I first breached the subject.. in this particular case it would not.

But some of his underlying issues I am sure many.. many men go through and as a result act out violently because of it. Maybe not to the level of murder, but still act out.

In the same way that all poor people don't turn to a life of crime, all virgins don't murder. But being poor is typically a motivation for crime, just as being horny as hell and having large amounts of testosterone motivating you to do something about it can be a pusher of violence.

He was a virgin because he was mentally ill. He couldn't connect with people, and he made people uncomfortable around him because he was a psychopath. He had no empathy with others. He thought of other people as props, either they gave him what he wanted or they didn't. People were nothing to him.
 
It is funny, of course it is, but yeah, that he ended up killing people makes me reluctant to give him any attention post-death.

his video getting millions of views might inspire copycats and i was thinking the same, but psychoanalyticaly speaking, i can't deny that it's really interesting. So many parallels to the verginia tech massacre guys video that it almost makes you think there's a recipe for this:

- underlying sociopathic issues
- seeing themselves as a vehicle of 'divine' retribution
- rejection from women and cliques
- feeling the world owes them just for trying
- trying to channel a certain coolness for their videos that they just can't pull off
 
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Really?
His views are pretty much in line with your average "nice guy", but he just happens to be better looking than most of them which presumably would turn his views even more extreme.

People are more complex than internet caricatures. That's incredible simplistic way of looking at it.

It doesn't take a therapist to see he was messed up in the head beyond some sexual frustration.
 
It is funny, of course it is, but yeah, that he ended up killing people makes me reluctant to give him any attention post-death.

Analyzation is important to understand why and how these things happen so that people can be better educated about mental illness and how very real it is. It gets shrugged off a lot, people get uncomfortable talking about it, but it's a huge issue that needs to be addressed as a society. The media likes to demonize and counter cultures like to glorify these sorts of things when really both things make the situation worse and people more uncomfortable talking about mental illness.
 
Coward can also mean to be afraid of emotional pain. He didn't deal with his emotional pain. From the looks of it he didn't even try. The idea of killing others came up in his mind when he thought about his emotional wounds and yet no help was sought for it. He's a coward. Is he an emotionally and mentally damaged coward? Sure. He's a coward none the less. He removed the people from this world who wounded him and removed himself so his actions come without consequence to him.

I disagree. Cowardice for me, and what I think the general take on it is, is being rendered unable to perform an action due to being intimidated and or lacking the courage to perform an action.

Coward isnt a synonym for afraid, one can be afraid yet still take action when needed. Not seeking help isnt cowardice in this context since he did something about it. A choice isn't cowardice. Being unable to do something due to lack of courage is the cowardly thing to do.

Cowardice would be literally doing nothing and stewing in silence here imo.

Neither of your points take in the context of the situation. He didn't just choose any wrong option, he chose to murder people instead of working on himself. He didn't just choose to kill himself, he did it after he murdered people. Two cowardly acts in the context of what transpired.
Again, this has nothing to do with cowardice.
 
When I was hanging out with all the women in my life I wonder how many dudes like this guy have thought the same of me... I'm some unworthy dumb alpha brah. How do they know I'm not the perfect, beautiful, magnificent gentleman like them? At that point it's just delusion I'm assuming.
 
Again, this has nothing to do with cowardice.

This is a meaningless discussion if you're unable to accept the common definition of cowardice. Which is the following.

cow·ard·ice
noun \ˈkau̇(-ə)r-dəs, dial -(ˌ)dīs\

: fear that makes you unable to do what is right or expected
 
I know I'm in the minority wanting stricter gun laws, maybe this wouldn't happen like every week/month.

This dude was very ill, with ease of access getting a gun. That is the problem.
 
Why are you blaming everyone but him? Where are you getting the information from that he had people fail him? If school failed him then why is still attending? If his parents failed him, why does he have a BMW?

Nowhere has suggested (or confirmed) that he was mentally ill yet that's the excuse people are giving at the moment. "He couldn't have just been a jealous, misogynistic nutjob with a gun, no it must be to do with mental illness...and then while we're at it say how everyone around him failed him. Blame schools. Blame parents and blame society (which doesn't even have any meaning)".

Instead of questioning why and doing "let's pretend to be a mental detective", wish the best for the families instead.

Try not to look at this from such a one dimensional black or white perspective. That BMW statement made me chuckle a bit. Parents can drown their kids with expensive gifts but if they don't take part in their emotional development, the kids are being failed.

Looking back at his history, its apparent his deeprooted issues have been building up since childhood due to a combination of unfortunate circumstances. Its clear he never had the social experiences most kids go through which help them first, communicate with people and second deal with issues later in adolescences and adult life. There is personal blame first, but his environment and upbringing had a huge role to play. He comes off as a psychotic narcissist, but who have been studied to great detail, and when given the right platforms during their development stages have been shown to become extremely successful in life.

Everybody's thoughts and prayers are with the families. But its probably a good idea to understand why this happened so it can be prevented in the future. Labeling him simply as as an evil nutjob from hell only born to cause suffering is no answer.
 
Crazy asshole. I wonder if his parents had any clue of how disturbed he was...

I'm gonna guess they were. He was homeschooled for a big portion of his school career and he mentioned taking the videos temporarily because it had caused a commotion with his family. I think they were aware but maybe didn't want to acknowledge the extent because they feared losing face if they had him committed or something. Or they buried themselves in their work and tried to ignore it. Again, I don't know these people and am forming a speculative narrative but it seems likely.

Their socio-economic status could also explain some stuff. Here's an interesting video about a rigged monopoly game in which one player gets substantial advantages like two dice and more starting money and how it impacts people's behavior towards the other player. People in this study recognized their advantage at the start, but by the end argued it was their strategy that made them win. Throughout the game they also became more rude towards other players and acted superior to them. They reason the wealthier you are the more likely you feel you're entitled to that wealth and I also suspect there was an underlying tension between the success of his parents and his own failure with girls and school.

There's also this article, which speculates about why rich kids commit crimes.

Studies have found that “chronically bored” individuals are more likely to engage in risky behavior. Dr. James Danckert, a neuroscientist at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, examined patients who suffered from traumatic brain injuries, or TBIs, and found they were more likely to engage in risky behavior post-accident: recreational drug use, skydiving, etc. He told Scientific American’s Anna Gosline that a combination of substantial endorphin release and regular ingestion of pain medication during the recovery process “may have literally raised these patients’ threshold for psychological pleasure and reward.” “Now instead of a coffee doing it for you, you need a triple espresso,” Danckert said. “Anything that used to give you pleasure now has to be ramped up in order to succeed.”

Is it possible that prolonged exposure to the highs of affluent adolescence induces a similar effect on young, privileged minds?
 
People are more complex than internet caricatures. That's incredible simplistic way of looking at it.

It doesn't take a therapist to see he was messed up in the head beyond some sexual frustration.

Yeah. The "he is rich, he should have checked his privilege" argument seems dumb. So many people who are in a good financial position are not doing good.
 
I know I'm in the minority wanting stricter gun laws, maybe this wouldn't happen like every week/month.

This dude was very ill, with ease of access getting a gun. That is the problem.

Rich, clean cut young guy. Most likely perfectly clean record. Pays immediately. Gun shops love these kind of customers. And obviously this kid knows how to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's his entire life. He's the toughest to discover by far. Even if there was a mental check I'm sure he could pass it.
 
He really repeats himself a lot in his videos, and seem to not comprehend how others might think - might be on the autistic spectrum.

And yeah, narcissistic personality disorder.
 
This is a meaningless discussion if you're unable to accept the common definition of cowardice. Which is the following.

cow·ard·ice
noun \ˈkau̇(-ə)r-dəs, dial -(ˌ)dīs\

: fear that makes you unable to do what is right or expected

where did you get that definition? lol From what I know cowardice is absolutely not right or wrong it is do or dont.

The reason I'm harping on this word is so we don't harp on this word, I want people to move away from branding people cowards or crazy and moving on.
 
I lack everything this dude lacked regarding relationships, but I don't see the point in hurting myself or anyone else for it. Why? Because the social concept that I ought to have those things is just that: a fucking concept. This guy depraved himself by taking that concept as an objective fact, and in turn impoverished himself to the point he felt he had to take out his anger on others. This could have easily been prevented if he simply learned to be fine with who he was and what he had instead of what he lacked in reference to an idea.

He took the usual social game of comparison and chasing things for the sake of chasing things to extreme, dangerous levels. It frightens me that he is probably not alone in taking ideas to extremes, for he is really no different than the religious extremists.

All of this, all of this unnecessary suffering, over fucking ideas...
 
Narcisistic personality disorder, taken to the extreme. This is pathetically sad. The kid could have been helped and possibly saved if the parents had taken him to a psychologist in time. Rest in peace to the unfortunate victims.
 
Bullshit. Loving and being loved back can mean so much to a person, it's life-changing. If he had just met the right girl, everything would have been different.

How do you know ? This right girl you speak of, his potential actions should they have split up could of been just as devastating.
 
where did you get that definition? lol From what I know cowardice is absolutely not right or wrong it is do or dont.

The reason I'm harping on this word is so we don't harp on this word, I want people to move away from branding people cowards or crazy and moving on.

I have 3 western dictionaries here that define cowardice the same way. Words are useful markers, how you use them is what's important. I don't believe I used the word as an empty label even if it happened that I wasn't using it correctly.
 
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