I think that's entirely too optimistic. Odds are, if he had a girlfriend or visited prostitutes, he would have just killed his girlfriend or targeted prostitutes, when they inevitably didn't live up to his expectations (or tried to end the relationship).
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I think that's entirely too optimistic. Odds are, if he had a girlfriend or visited prostitutes, he would have just killed his girlfriend or targeted prostitutes, when they inevitably didn't live up to his expectations (or tried to end the relationship).
His situation and mine is similar in many ways and so I can somewhat empathize. The key difference is that I see it as a personal failing and not the fault of others. If I had to kill someone it wouldn't be someone else. Displacing blame is the easier thing to do for some as it psychologically exonerates oneself from one's own shortcomings.
A terrible shame and what a terrible waste of lives.
A terrible shame and what a terrible waste of lives.
If you leave nature to nature, and try to take what is as it is from that perspective, I think that's the best route. A lot of that requires one to lose much of their ego, which is very hard to do because socially, it is all about ego. We impose our ideas, our desires, our views, over nature. That is the beginning of many sources of suffering and conflict. How we live is a perfect modern example of this. Even my conveyance of this involves ego.
You can see this type of liberation from that kind of imposition in monks, and feel free to ignore the dogma that comes with that. It becomes very hard for social beings such as ourselves conditioned from birth to feel certain things to try and remove those things from what's going on. But those that do seem to be at peace with the world, no matter what circumstances they're faced in. I think that is the totality of spirituality, though the ones with the fewest aspects of dogma are the best at accomplishing this, like science and zen.
Personally, I feel we'd all be better off taking those types of approaches instead of the social ideas of ought tos, have tos, must dos. This is where we make people struggle and always aim outwards, beyond what they are as they are. It becomes a never ending game to attain satisfaction, and all too often you hear of people who are unsatisfied as they chase along, never ever content with what's right in front of them. Normally that ends with self-harm, but cases like this are where it extends to malice behavior, to act out on others for one's own feelings of inferiority. The man had mass amounts of material wealth and privileges from that which most people in this country don't have, but he was focused on the things he didn't have to impoverish all of it.
This is a very sincere post. Thank you for making it.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Dude was straight up insane. Having a girlfriend and sex would have just led to his insanity manifesting in other ways. We'd probably see a story of him murdering her for cheating on him when all she did was say hello to some random handsome stranger on the street.
Dude was a fucking psycho.
I'd be worried about even minor things like disagreements or jealousy setting him off, or even if she just didn't fully meet the expectations he set in his head.
ChosenPredator
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yeah after watching the video I could just imagine how ballistic he'd go if a girl broke up with him or made him upset, he had some deeper issues that needed to be handled big time.
SuperAndroid17
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I've read that the deputies killed him and I hope they did.
Thatonemoor
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Trust me I'm not obsessed, I can say that I use to be but I've started taking antidepressants and started focusing on different things. It's just really creepy to he able to actually relate to the feelings the guy had. Just wished someone sat the dude down and told him that the problem isn't everyone else, the problem is you. That's what helped me anyway.
On the bodybuilding forum before his stuff was deleted he specifically posted about his hatred for women. He literally said in one post just "I hate women."
Edit: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161977463&p=1246604383&viewfull=1#post1246604383
I agree. He had a really focused view on "fairness", that the world should morph and form to his advantage just for him existing.
Yeah, plus who here wants to volunteer as an SO or a prostitute to soothe the fragile egos of psychopaths?
Man that's terrible. I always am concerned when things on the internet are often just outright dismissed as trolling. People don't understand that posts often come from somewhere more real than they might believe. And even just trolling sometimes is a cause for concern.
I hope those threads aren't getting deleted without police involvement. That would be a shitty thing to do.
I hope those threads aren't getting deleted without police involvement. That would be a shitty thing to do.
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But he also clearly ranted about how he couldn't stand the supposedly inferior males who did get those women he lusted after. Is there misogyny, yes clearly. But I think the point of that poster was that it was part of a broader misanthropy.
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Other forum deleting the stuff is also giving me pause. That's a bit messed up, especially considering the reports of a second person with him (I know that people usually report a second shooter who is nonexistent because of stress, but they still have to look into it). Locking the threads I understand, but basically destroying evidence is seriously messed up.
Seriously, he's willing to go on a murderous rampage because he's a virgin at 22? Fuck.
Yeah. This guy was going to be trouble no matter what. Doesn't matter if a girl did show interest in him; this guy is severely ill mentally, looking at his confession video. His reasons for justifying his actions is indisputable proof.
Yeah. This guy was going to be trouble no matter what. Doesn't matter if a girl did show interest in him; this guy is severely ill mentally, looking at his confession video. His reasons for justifying his actions is indisputable proof.
Air Zombie Meat
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They just deleted his pic from his profile. Kind of strange. Are they worried about being found liable or something?
I don't think the people making these suggestions have any concern for the wellbeing of any anonymous girlfriend or prostitute. The important thing to them, is that the psychopath's attention is diverted away from strangers (which could include them) and towards girlfriends and prostitutes (which definitely wouldn't include them).
Sektor on a date
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They can make a case that he was being bullied there and it's possible some people there egged him on.
I'm afraid to say it but I'm relating to this guy in nearly every way, we're even the same age. Except I'm not from a rich family.
For me the summer just started and I am feeling extremely lonely. I am having negative spiraling thoughts about the future and constantly worry that I will grow old single and won't be successful. I haven't had any sort of social interaction with people my own age for several months.
This serial killing incident is such a coincidence seeing as I'm at my worst now mentally. I can also finally relate to someone.
I will elaborate further if you have any questions or reassurance.
I feel sad and insane.
Ok, relax and get a grip. Being single is AWESOME. The only responsibility you have is to yourself. The problem is you're taking life too seriously. When you TRULY loosen your grip on needing a relationship, and you just have fun and let loose, and focus on being productive or learning new things, is when you can actually attract friends and women.
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That's my concern.
Ah sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were obsessed, just that he was, and his videos are really just a convincing reason not to be like that.
You're right, focusing on different aspects of your life should be the priority for anyone who has these issues playing on their mind. It's that cliche advice of looking after yourself first, and everything else should follow. I think it's especially the case with relationships - if you're living a happy, interesting life with a variety of priorities, you'll be an infinitely more appealing person than the guy/girl who's number one priority is getting a partner in the hope that the happy, interesting life comes from that in itself.
His family might be requesting that all of that stuff is deleted, if they knew what he did online. Which is possible, since they saw his youtube videos.
Also if he was being treated for mental illness, he would've needed to buy that gun illegally unless there are gun shows in California. If you're on record for being diagnosed with any mental illness from a background check, you can't purchase a firearm from traditional sellers.
Might be wrong with that, but I believe I'm right. Essentially his family might've known about his issues, but he didn't get help for them, due to him blending in with normal people or any number of reasons.
No, I do recall at least one other case of a dude killing his family after making a series of Youtube videos. I don't think he was noticeably depraved enough to do it in the videos, but a number of his videos focused on him using firearms.
Not sure if I read about it on GAF here or elsewhere. This was years ago.
We don't know that. In one of the bodybuilding threads he said that his parents discovered his videos, so he took them down. There's no evidence that his parents were negligent or didn't try to get him help.
SniperHunter
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According to CNN it was a slow drive by shooting. He drove up to women, conversed with them before shooting them.
Horrible....
Horrible....
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I almost couldn't take that youtube channel seriously. Odd facial expressions, seemingly over-the-top personality and cause, the weird 80's love song pop obsession, and that horribly cheesy laugh and way of talking that sounded like a social deprived kid right out of a high school anime club trying to channel Light Yagami or Lelouch.
If it wasn't coupled with such a real, horrific crime, I would've had a hard time believe it was not orchestrated/fake. Fuck.
If it wasn't coupled with such a real, horrific crime, I would've had a hard time believe it was not orchestrated/fake. Fuck.
DoktorEvil
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So BB is covering their responsibility for moderating a guy like this...
They know that if the media tracks this incident back to BB forums, they'll find tons of other instances of bullying and shaming and nasty shit like that. It'll be a big news story as well.
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Air Zombie Meat
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Good point. Would be hard to say no to the family and they'd be more likely to be worried about being found liable than some random forum.
edit: oh so they've saved it all for the authorities. Guess it doesn't really matter then.
PixelNinja
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That laugh, he sounded like he was a villain ripped straight from a JRPG, especially with his motives.
The kid needed help. No one was there to help him, in the end he had bent his own mind around his ego. My heart goes out to those who were killed and their families. It is a depressing story, but this is a great example of what the human mind can do with delusion on a gigantic scale, how a inflated ego can cause a man to do drastic measures when none were needed. Well, in the end this shows that a mans greatest enemy is his own mind.
The kid needed help. No one was there to help him, in the end he had bent his own mind around his ego. My heart goes out to those who were killed and their families. It is a depressing story, but this is a great example of what the human mind can do with delusion on a gigantic scale, how a inflated ego can cause a man to do drastic measures when none were needed. Well, in the end this shows that a mans greatest enemy is his own mind.
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on the other hand, everyone gets 'spot a killer 101' training.
Jesus christ
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I had the exact same feeling. I immediately thought 'Zodiac'.
Dabookerman
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He certainly spouted that shit. I was surprised the dude wasn't wearing a fedora.
He may or may not have been mental (there's no evidence outside of "he looked mental!!")
But the point is, he sounds like someone who was heavily influenced by these misogynistic groups.
Hey guys, the secret to stopping murder is to simply not talk about it! Why didn't we ignore things before?!
DeadlyParasite
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Depressing. Even more depressing that no one was able to help him while they had the chance.
Maybe if he had a good friend or family in life to help set some bearings things might've been different.
Loneliness is a terrible thing, but so is killing.
Maybe if he had a good friend or family in life to help set some bearings things might've been different.
Loneliness is a terrible thing, but so is killing.
Yes, depending on an investigation and what they can find, I think it does open them up to potential negligence lawsuits.
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