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You don't get to decide what it means and you shouldn't use it at all homie.
Jonah Hill on Calling a Paparazzo "Faggot"
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You don't get to decide what it means and you shouldn't use it at all homie.
As a kid I was reading the newspaper everyday and was aware of what the words meant before my classmates started using them interchangeably with "idiot/stupid", leaving me really confused for a while before I eventually figured out what was going on due to context.
AlphaSnake
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Solid apology, I agree. Dude's hands were shaking on the show and he was turning red because he was so upset with himself.
But I also agree, the media and pitchforkers need to take a step back and look at the overall context. Yeah, it's a shitty word, but was he trying to intentionally upset the LGBT community? Of course not. He just wanted to piss one guy off and that's it. Me personally, once I grew up and I had a few lesbian friends enter my circle, I virtually stopped using the word in almost any context.
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Still i think it's a bad idea to point out to this case and Kobe to show racial prejudice. While it is true in a lot of the cases i think it's impossible to deny that in this one it was handled completely differently.
……forgetit
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Angelus Errare
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Neither of them saying it was okay, and reading a canned statement absolves one of his errors and makes him an awesome guy who "owns up to mistakes". While the other one resulted in a facepalm worthy thread and a bunch of douche hipster pseudo-intellectual wannabe psychologists skeeting their thinkpieces about how "poisonous the black culture" with shmucks talking about Prop-8 and African Americans being intolerant of homosexual with some people insinuating that African Americans are the reason same sex marriage isn't legal. All because some dude who wasn't even raised in America called a ref said insult.
Fuck I'd put a shitload of money down on a bet stating if Jonah was say Kanye West and he issued the same apology word for word the internet (and by extension GAF) would be bugging the fuck out for a good month over this.
Faggot has ALWAYS been an insult geared towards homosexuals since forever. And at no point was it EVER okay to use, doubly so toward homosexuals. And please for the love of god don't say "well they call each other fags all the time" or anything like that PLS!
Such an ignorant view.
How old are you? Not trying to insult you, honestly asking.
"Gay" and "fag" were common terms me and classmates would use when playing basketball during P.E./Lunch from elementary school to high school.
However since we've grown up (all around 25-27 years old), we'll still get together and play ball once in a blue moon, and I don't think anyone uses those terms anymore. Especially "faggot". IMO its a very malicious word that should not be used. The way Jonah used it was certainty malicious in the way it was used.
SlowRevolution
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it's not like it's a bad thing to remind people "hey this isn't a cool thing to say". haven't really seen many people call him a homophobe, but he said something dumb and apologizing the way he did was a classy thing to do.
Thought about this before I even clicked on the thread.
Protip -- the insult really isn't calling some paparazzi homosexual; cause what the fuck, who cares about the paparrazzi and what his sexual orientation is.
The insult is that Jonah was implying to gay people that their sexual orientation is bad or wrong by using their sexuality as an insult against someone else.
I don't know about all that other stuff, but unless this statement was cut
he never even said he's sorry.
You would likely win that bet, but i don't see how it relates to Kobe and Jonah Hill.
Pankratous
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21.
And to answer everyone else, the word faggot is not used to specifically target gay people here. We use it for banter, we call anyone it. If it is ever used in a derogatory manner, its always talking about a general asshole.
Woof. If a word is the last thing people have heard shouted at them before getting beaten to death, it's pretty much not chill to just throw it around.
Not sure there is a pitchforker/media thing here though. He's clearly going out of his way to talk about it on Stern and Fallon. TMZ are dingdongs for reporting it in the first place.
The only reason I ask because when I student taught some middle schoolers, I had an issue where a student called another a faggot and I told him not to say that. He was confused and honestly thought it just meant "jerk" or "asshole".
Pankratous
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There's a whole range of words that fit that description, a big one being 'Witch'. It's obviously uncool to call anyone any word that can be taken offensively unless you and they know it's banter, but to deliberately take massive offence from a word that is used fairly generally is just weird.
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That's the weird thing though. Someone, somewhere made the term hateful, when originally it didn't mean anything like that at all!
The "N" word by comparison has a recognizable path of derivation historically so you can understand the basis of how it became hate-speech.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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This is an ignorant view. If you can't accept that word meanings transgress and change frequently, then you're been just as ignorant.
Yes the word started off as a slur. Yes people use it as a slur. But many people absorb words in the context they are used. Not through the meaning behind them.
There are people who use it just as a word that has impact, not because it has a deep routed meaning.
So next time someone lets it slip, take a good look at who they really are before you immediately grab the pitchforks.
So if Pankratous became widely used to mean a sub-human, disgusting weakling (what homosexual slurs were used for in the past), you'd be cool with that?
Honest to god -- I have zero tolerance for the sort of short-sighted self-centeredness you are describing. Words have meaning, and words can truly hurt and devastate people. Think of what you say and how it sounds to others every once in a while.
finowns
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What does that have to do with liking or hating Mel Gibson?
Surely you are trolling, right?
Pankratous
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I honestly wouldn't care in the slightest.
Vigilant Walrus
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I believe it actually means a stick or a bundle of sticks.
It's just a word. If you went over and said "hey cupcake" with ill intended malice it could be just as bad. Words are overrated. The intent behind the words is what people should focus on. It's like the trolls behind the Colbert "scandal". Trolls decide they don't want to understand the point he was making and just decides to play dumb on the word play. It's obviously bullshit, but that's power of political correctness if you want to linger in these semantic details.
The censorship of words is not what is gonna reduce homophobia for the ignorant. There are other ways that actually works.
Omegasquash
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Not for me, it wasn't. I always got called those terms growing up, before and after everyone realized what they meant. More so after...nothing like getting told what a "fag" I was in the gym locker room and told to stay away from everyone because I'd get a stiffy if I saw men changing their clothes. Don't pretend for a SECOND that people don't use that term exactly the way we all know it is. Important to note too that he used the word in that context, too.
He absolutely did the right thing in apologizing. People were absolutely right to look for an apology and/or a statement.
And let's not forget that anger and agitation aren't excuses for bad behavior, or derogatory language. Sure, it might be instinct, but that doesn't mean it's right.
And then Jimmy breaks the tension and said "It's good that you came out..." and got the crowd laughing.
Was the ref specifically trying to antagonize Kobe at the time?
Did the ref sexually harass Kobe, commenting on his ass (among other things)?
That might have something to do with the difference in reaction to the apologies. From what's out there, the Paparazzo was just digging into Hill who finally snapped. And that's likely the reaction the Paparazzo was going for in the first place.
Like Hill said in his apology, it's not right, but it's not quite so black and white when you know what instigated the action.
It's kind of funny how no one is calling for the Paparazzo to apologize for the harassment that he directed at Hill.
Everyone has a limit. For some that limit is much higher than others. But if you push anyone long enough, they're going to hit that limit and likely lash out just to get the harassment to stop.
Unfortunately, this is incorrect. From Wikipedia:
Hopefully that helps explain the context. In case there was any doubt that Jonah Hill had recently become British and was bizarrely calling the person a cigarette, he added "suck my dick," which makes the primary meaning unavoidably clear.
Pankratous
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This is a great post. Words have different meanings to different people over time, class and geographical location. To give the term a blanket meaning is ridiculous.
Wat? Gibson is finished, while Dre... do you catch any news?
JetBlackPanda
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I agree!
Don't think think it's awful that a word that is widely known as a pejorative for homosexuals (faggot) and black people (nigger) is the first thing that comes to mind when someone is really angry?
ab.aeterno
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What's the difference between using gay as an insult and idiot, moron, or wanker? One of them is a synonym for homosexuals, with the implicit value of the insult being that being homosexual is bad, stupid, undesirable. You don't insult someone by calling them or equating them with good or neutral things, you call them a faggot or retard to imply they're not normal or as good as their peers.
I mean, how can you hear a slur used as a put down and not think the exact thing you said you don't, that they're equating them with homosexuals and homosexuals are bad or undesirable? It's like hearing someone use nigger as a put down and not thinking it's really a racist term. It boggles the mind. The same reason you wouldn't use one means you shouldn't use the other.
The fuck? When has it ever only meant some, and not been a targeted derogatory word against homosexuals?
It does to a lot of people so, hence your not using it, so I'm not sure why you think it doesn't.
It's been my experience growing up that people knew exactly what that term meant and that's why they used it. No one wants to be called gay, so the worst thing you can do is call out someone's masculinity saying they're a faggot.
In fact, if kids didn't know what it meant, they wouldn't try the old "what I'm just taking about cigarettes lololol" bullshit.
I agree, nigger just means ignorant person, it doesn't mean you're a racist for using it.
EDIT: DAMNIT.
NYCmetsfan
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Weird that fascist comes from the same origin but has come to mean something totally different
watch him come back with the chris rock bit as an excuse
There is no divorcing "faggot" from its context as a gay slur. None.
And Angelus, one thing about this and Kobe remains the same: People are still willing to argue that "faggot" has nothing to do with gay people.
And Angelus, one thing about this and Kobe remains the same: People are still willing to argue that "faggot" has nothing to do with gay people.
Really? If generations of the entire United States, including religious leaders and the federal government, used your identity as a short-hard slur, you'd be down with that? You'd be OK if your name to be the gut reaction, simple minded put down used by children and small-minded bigots, and that's not an issue for you?
less soap-boxy: Think about how Homer felt in "Homer, Defined."
Ditto the difference in their apologies.
Where is this even happening?
OverBlood 3
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Neogaf is giving me a headache today, why are there so many ignorant people posting absolute guff seemingly all the time? Still not as bad as 90% of the internet.
Today I've learned that there are people in this world that believe faggot is not an offensive slur. What the fuck, next I'll find out that people don't think n-
OH COME ON!
OH COME ON!
soundahfekz
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This is called missing the point. Entirely.
Pankratous
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Quite an interesting view on words.
Is using a word with no negative connotations with completely malice intent worse than using a word with negative connotations with positive intent?
But that's a discussion for another time probably, as obviously this case was ill intent.
banter m8, lads lads lads lads banter banter banter
just a bit of banter m8 wot r u the pc police
This seems like a stealthy way of saying let there be homophobes. "oh but I don't think it's actually that bad" god, go tell that to the young gay kids that see this, shit like this contributes to the reason gay kids are by far among the highest suicide rate.
Utter ignorance on your behalf, hang your head in shame.
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