A Tale of 'Merica and Milk - I just walked out and abandoned a job interview. FML.

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Thacker said:
Hard to do without a job or insurance. :)
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This is intentional irony... right?

It has to be.

Thacker said:
I am also assuming you don't hire people with misdemeanors or small problems from their past as well like every other HR department that rejected me in the past and lead me to this shitty situation I am in now.
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Please be irony...


Thacker said:
I am unemployed, and would kill for any interview. Hell after 100 resumes and applications in three weeks this was one of the only people to call me back.

But I do have dignity and pride
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This isn't irony, is it?...
 
Another bit of practical advice for future interviews to add to Lhadatt's excellent post.

Even if you arrive at the office 20 minutes early (which is fine), just hang around outside and don't go in until about 5 minutes before because that's the time that they are expecting you there. They could have back-to-back meetings right up until the interview, so arriving 20 minutes early doesn't help them as they can't attend to you.
 
Thacker said:
I am also assuming you don't hire people with misdemeanors or small problems from their past as well like every other HR department that rejected me in the past and lead me to this shitty situation I am in now.

No, scratch that. I did a crime, I was punished and it's my fault, but people in positions like yours made sure I felt it for years after.
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If you were in the same position or a similar one, what would you do? Would you hire yourself given your history and attitude?
 
The signals you keep mentioning are likely a subconcious retcon to justify your actions and put your mind at peace. When I get depressed, I catch myself making mental leaps all over to justify why I'm upset, and bolster my position of being upset with connections that are truly mere coincidence and over-embellishment.

Just ask next time, and please don't ever send an email like that again. Live and learn!
 
Thacker said:
I am also assuming you don't hire people with misdemeanors or small problems from their past as well like every other HR department that rejected me in the past and lead me to this shitty situation I am in now.

No, scratch that. I did a crime, I was punished and it's my fault, but people in positions like yours made sure I felt it for years after.
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yo you can't cry about this and then get all huffy and puffy that you couldn't wait an extra hour for an interview. Fucking man up and stop being a whiny pussy. Real talk.

It's ok though, maybe your job timer hasn't opened up yet.
 
Cheerilee said:
You fucked up.
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I think the problem is that OP feels he has principles and that by subjecting himself to the whims, wishes, and subordination of the "corporations" and those that abide by them is giving in on his "principles".

I mean, sure, everyone is entitled to politeness and respect in the first instance, but well how can you ever convince someone what "principles" should or should not be?
 
Thacker said:
I am unemployed, and would kill for any interview. Hell after 100 resumes and applications in three weeks this was one of the only people to call me back.
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Jesus Christ.

Why would you do this?

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one_kill said:
If you were in the same position or a similar one, what would you do? Would you hire yourself given your history and attitude?
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I think this is a good thing for you to do Thatcher.

Pretend for -one minute- that this interviewer is an awesome guy - and then let's pretend that this interviewer is you, but a series of unfortunate events gave off a bad first impression. If you had interviewed 5 guys for a position that day, and one of the guys was this Thatcher fellow, and the other 4 guys were cheerful guys who joked about how busy the office was and tried to make you feel better about maybe fucking up with other etiquette related things - who would you hire?
 
one_kill said:
If you were in the same position or a similar one, what would you do? Would you hire yourself given your history and attitude?
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Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.
 
Dave Inc. said:
What the heck are you talking about. I have said repeatedly that I think Thacker made a mistake in leaving without asking for more information, I only said that hearing about people leaving unexpectedly is a really bad sign about taking a position there.

And I'm not discounting the owner's email, I even quoted it to highlight how shitty and dismissive his attitude was.
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Basically I'm talking about your repeated insults against the interviewer, who according to his own understanding of the situation was on time. You implied he was a douchebag, said he disrespected OP, insulted his use of time prior to 3:45, etc.

Overall you seem to be AGAINST interviewer guy based on a one sided story told by someone with (apparently) little ability to understand social boundaries.

I'm defending interviewer guy, who doesn't seem to deserve that treatment (which was very assumptive).
 
Thacker said:
I told him I was available any time after two. After business hours would have been fine as well. GAF's insane mentality and love for corporations and the bullshit that we put up with is hilarious to me.

But hey... you guys are making a paycheck and I'm not.
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You're unemployed, why after 2, what else in your life is going on? Did you just want to sleep in or what.
 
Thacker said:
Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.
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WHAT??!?! Power play? These are perfectly normal things to ask for upfront- hell, the last app I filled out had them. What are you on about?
 
Commander Jameson said:
Another bit of practical advice for future interviews to add to Lhadatt's excellent post.

Even if you arrive at the office 20 minutes early (which is fine), just hang around outside and don't go in until about 5 minutes before because that's the time that they are expecting you there. They could have back-to-back meetings right up until the interview, so arriving 20 minutes early doesn't help them as they can't attend to you.
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Yeah, this is important. It annoys me when applicants show up ultra-early (although I don't hold it against them), and I know someone who almost didn't get his current job because he arrived at the interview some two hours early.
 
Okay and there are a lot of people who need a job like me. You sound entitled that everything has to be perfect. I drove 15 miles for an interview that lasted literally 5 minutes and didn't get the job.
 
Kinitari said:
I think this is a good thing for you to do Thatcher.

Pretend for -one minute- that this interviewer is an awesome guy - and then let's pretend that this interviewer is you, but a series of unfortunate events gave off a bad first impression. If you had interviewed 5 guys for a position that day, and one of the guys was this Thatcher fellow, and the other 4 guys were cheerful guys who joked about how busy the office was and tried to make you feel better about maybe fucking up with other etiquette related things - who would you hire?
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I would not make someone sit in a waiting room on the other side of my office without even speaking to them when I told them to be at my office at 3 o clock and I knew they were finished with any pre requisites.

A hello, I am running behind. A handshake. And acknowledgement of my existence would have been all I needed to continue to wait. I felt ignored, and UNDERVALUED. I offer something to that company that he cannot do and is worth a substantial amount of money (60-70k) but his money is not worth more than my time. Period. It's a mutually beneficial relationship that will be treated as such, or I will continue to do without.
 
Thacker said:
Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.
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That was not a power play. That was standard procedure.

Also, having a problem with authority might be the reason why you are having difficulty finding a job. Perhaps you should work on that.

Edit: you also need to work on your humility. It's great to be self confident, but being overly so will burn every single bridge you come upon.
 
Thacker said:
Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.
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*Interviewer asks normal questions an interviewer would ask*

WOW WHAT A POWER TRIP THIS GUY IS ON
 
Even if the guy had been an awful boss, you would at least have had some income until you find something better. Hope you learn from this before its too late
 
Thacker said:
I am unemployed, and would kill for any interview. Hell after 100 resumes and applications in three weeks this was one of the only people to call me back.

But I do have dignity and pride, I guess GAF thinks I have too much of it. Working in an environment you are made to feel shitty and inferior is not a place I want to be. Best of luck to your boyfriend, he may like getting walked on but I don't.

And yea, I do feel the world is out to get me. You can think a fucked up justice system and legalized discrimination for that. It's shook my confidence and given me extreme anxiety in situations like this.
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STILL not owning this mistake? smh

You didn't get "walked on" here. Wake up man.

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Kinitari said:
I think this is a good thing for you to do Thatcher.

Pretend for -one minute- that this interviewer is an awesome guy - and then let's pretend that this interviewer is you, but a series of unfortunate events gave off a bad first impression. If you had interviewed 5 guys for a position that day, and one of the guys was this Thatcher fellow, and the other 4 guys were cheerful guys who joked about how busy the office was and tried to make you feel better about maybe fucking up with other etiquette related things - who would you hire?
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Lol, I think you've called him "Thatcher" in every post now
 
Thacker said:
I am unemployed, and would kill for any interview. Hell after 100 resumes and applications in three weeks this was one of the only people to call me back.

But I do have dignity and pride, I guess GAF thinks I have too much of it. Working in an environment you are made to feel shitty and inferior is not a place I want to be. Best of luck to your boyfriend, he may like getting walked on but I don't.

And yea, I do feel the world is out to get me. You can think a fucked up justice system and legalized discrimination for that. It's shook my confidence and given me extreme anxiety in situations like this.
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So your willing to commit acts of violence for a chance, but not sit for an hour when you have nothing better to do.
 
Thacker said:
Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.
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you need help. that's normal process.
 
Thacker said:
I would not make someone sit in a waiting room on the other side of my office without even speaking to them when I told them to be at my office at 3 o clock and I knew they were finished with any pre requisites.

A hello, I am running behind. A handshake. And acknowledgement of my existence would have been all I needed to continue to wait. I felt ignored, and UNDERVALUED. I offer something to that company that he cannot do and is worth a substantial amount of money (60-70k) but his money is not worth more than my time. Period. It's a mutually beneficial relationship that will be treated as such, or I will continue to do without.
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That wasn't part of my question. In my scenario you're a human being and you fuck up (hey, maybe something you can relate to) - do you hire the guy who gives you shit, or do you hire the guy who is calm, reasonable and understanding.
 
Thacker said:
This.

I can't "afford" it... but at the same time I honestly don't want to take a position I know I would immediately be looking to bail on anyway. The first red flag was when she said two techs had left the previous week unannounced. This was a small company of 8 people and the position paid very well, stated salaries up to the mid 70k depending on experience. While I never asked about the delay some other red flags came up such as the receptionist stating how overworked she felt and how her role actually handles.

It felt like a really sketchy situation with how rushed the hiring process was to begin with... but then for this to happen it just made me want to bail out.
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The two employees who quit without notice could have just been employees with bad attitudes or a shitty work ethic. Sure, it wasn't professional to keep him waiting like that, but beggars can't be choosers. I know you felt like it was a waste of your time, but it's a lot easier to look for another job when you already have one.
 
weemadarthur said:
Basically I'm talking about your repeated insults against the interviewer, who according to his own understanding of the situation was on time. You implied he was a douchebag, said he disrespected OP, insulted his use of time prior to 3:45, etc.

Overall you seem to be AGAINST interviewer guy based on a one sided story told by someone with (apparently) little ability to understand social boundaries.

I'm defending interviewer guy, who doesn't seem to deserve that treatment (which was very assumptive).
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Oh calling him a dick with a bad attitude? Yeah I guess that's a little presumptive, but from the sound of it his behavior was pretty lousy. If Thacker's account is wholly true then he was treated very poorly.

The whole "interview at 3pm is really 3:45pm" excuse is pretty flimsy considering the completed paperwork was given to the guy before that time. A simple "Oh he's done? Tell him I didn't expect him so soon but I'll be with him as soon as I finish these things up, say in half an hour" would have been all it would take to correct the issue. Instead Thacker sat and sat with nobody telling him anything.

He should have asked, but the way he was treated was exceedingly unprofessional.
 
traveler said:
WHAT??!?! Power play? These are perfectly normal things to ask for upfront- hell, the last app I filled out had them. What are you on about?
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references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.

Salary history being given to an employer is only justification for them to offer you similar or comparable. "You were making this... and we are offering 10% more why is that not okay?"
What you made previous is of no business to a new company and should not be considered in anyway shape or form if you wish to advance your career financially. Especially when transitioning from mid level to senior roles.

I might seem ignorant in a lot of ways, but stand up for yourself dude.
 
I don't see how what he asked you was a "power play". It feels like you went into this with a terrible attitude right from the start.
 
I get the feeling a lot of people would do anything for a job. I think the OP was a bit rash, but it is understandable. If someone kept me waiting that long I would be a bit annoyed and wonder if it was worth my time. Still, I think you should have at least heard him out.
 
Thacker said:
references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.

Salary history being given to an employer is only justification for them to offer you similar or comparable. "You were making this... and we are offering 10% more why is that not okay?"
What you made previous is of no business to a new company and should not be considered in anyway shape or form if you wish to advance your career financially. Especially when transitioning from mid level to senior roles.

I might seem ignorant in a lot of ways, but stand up for yourself dude.
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You are not in a position to give advice, you realize that right?
 
Thacker said:
Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.
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I actually agree wit u. Im same. Cant stand authority n I will dominate them any opportunity I have (likely my natural alpha is the reason).

But ur poor ass aint got no money so u shud have just sucked up u wasteman :lol
 
Thacker said:
He just replied guys

"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, xxxx said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"
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Oh my God. This hurts me and I'm just observing this.
 
Thacker said:
references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.

Salary history being given to an employer is only justification for them to offer you similar or comparable. "You were making this... and we are offering 10% more why is that not okay?"
What you made previous is of no business to a new company and should not be considered in anyway shape or form if you wish to advance your career financially. Especially when transitioning from mid level to senior roles.

I might seem ignorant in a lot of ways, but stand up for yourself dude.
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I literally just filled out an app where the standard form asked for both. I guess I should have just cut it off when the page told me I couldn't submit without filling in all required fields because filling those out would be allowing myself to be trampled over, right?
 
Thacker said:
references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.
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You're kidding, right?

Maybe for the salary history (although expected salary is standard), but references? Those are typically part of the initial application before you've even talked to anyone.
 
Thacker said:
Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.
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Ok, there is absolutely no way that you are being serious now. He was making a "power play" by asking you for salary and references? What is wrong with you?
 
Buzzati said:
Don't diminish yourself.

One of the better decisions I've made was leaving an interview halfway through. Some guy thought it was a good idea to conduct an interview with both his feet posted up on his desk, like a couple feet away from my face, pointing his dirt shoes at me while he yawned very loudly in between questioning. This wasn't some screwball operation - it was a multimillion dollar engineering firm.

I excused myself in the middle of it and told him this is not the way I do interviews. That might sound very prude or uptight, but fuck it. I'm better than that and I got a way better opportunity down the line.

Sometimes you have to leave your pride at the door but other times you don't.
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That's a rather extreme case, don't you think?

This situation was nothing of the sort.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=114772537#post114772537

read and report back.
 
Thacker said:
I am unemployed, and would kill for any interview. Hell after 100 resumes and applications in three weeks this was one of the only people to call me back.

But I do have dignity and pride, I guess GAF thinks I have too much of it. Working in an environment you are made to feel shitty and inferior is not a place I want to be. Best of luck to your boyfriend, he may like getting walked on but I don't.

And yea, I do feel the world is out to get me. You can think a fucked up justice system and legalized discrimination for that. It's shook my confidence and given me extreme anxiety in situations like this.
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Thacker said:
I told him I was available any time after two. After business hours would have been fine as well. GAF's insane mentality and love for corporations and the bullshit that we put up with is hilarious to me.

But hey... you guys are making a paycheck and I'm not.
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Thacker said:
Hard to do without a job or insurance. :)
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Thacker said:
I am also assuming you don't hire people with misdemeanors or small problems from their past as well like every other HR department that rejected me in the past and lead me to this shitty situation I am in now.

No, scratch that. I did a crime, I was punished and it's my fault, but people in positions like yours made sure I felt it for years after.
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You win. I can't even begin to quantify how utterly stupid and poisonous you line of thinking is.

Please don't take a job in NY, I'll feel horrible about the firm that hired you.
 
It is rare to see someone implode so spectacularly in near real-time. Thanks OP for actually posting this. Most people would have too much pride to put this out there. Though perhaps it is the same lack of self awareness that caused you to walk out on the interview that led you to think this thread was a good idea. If true, this seems to be a prime example of self-sabotage that makes one question if the OP even truly wants to work or just wants to complain about not working. you would think after so long of sitting on the outside looking in, that any job in the profession would be acceptable and a stepping stone. I just don't understand this way of thinking,
 
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