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[Ferrio]

I am not totally unemployed and it's basic negotiating skills that you don't seem over eager or desperate for a position.

"It's...it's not like I wanted the job anyway....BAKA"

 

[RedHotChimiChanga]

Most employers that expect you to fill out paperwork, take tests, etc. will build that into the interview schedule. He expected your paperwork and tests to begin at the time he asked you to arrive.

You need to recognize the following as take-aways from this incident:

1) You should get rid of the pride to a reasonable extent. Don't be afraid to ask questions or cut the interviewer a bit of slack.
An acceptable period of time to wait for an interviewer where paperwork and tests are involved is 45-60 minutes. The interviewer isn't snubbing you by making you wait, he's simply scheduled other tasks to be completed while you're testing. If it seems like things are taking too long, you need to ask why.

B) Don't burn bridges that haven't even been finished.
This interviewer has likely labeled you as a flake, and with good reason. You flaked out in the middle of his process. Did he document and communicate the process properly? Maybe not -- but you admitted that you didn't ask. If you don't want people to flake out on you, don't flake out on them.

III) You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
Your email reply to his "Where are you?" message betrayed more than a bit of self-importance. It betrayed that you believed your time to be more precious than his; that you believed your presumption of how the interview should go to be more important than the process that he set up and expected candidates to follow; that he was snubbing you by not greeting you or personally explaining the way he wanted to conduct the interview.

Let's look at Point III another way:

- He gave you a dedicated and substantial period of time to fill out paperwork and take his tests.
- He tasked his admin with assisting you in this process.
- He trusted his admin to represent his company by greeting you and taking care of you while he wrapped up other tasks.

You, an unemployed tech worker, are no more special than this business owner. He's recognized this on some level, as he's trusted his admin with some stuff that's pretty important to his business. He might have trusted you to take care of some stuff that's important to his business if you had stuck around a bit longer. He may not be that great a guy, or he could be the greatest man to walk this earth -- who knows? -- but he's doing something right, seeing as he's making enough money to pay a few people pretty well.

He also told you off in a diplomatic manner after you showed your ass. Maybe you should emulate his example.

Nice post. especialy #2

In my industry, you piss off one company, you pretty much have to leave the entire industry or hope your name hasn't spread to companies in another continent.

 

[Iolo]

I knew something was odd when I got contacted the morning after he posted the job. Honestly, any company in a hurry to hire like that is in a bind.... and is always short staffed. It's obvious that the two techs left without explanation otherwise this job would have been posted for two weeks, not waiting until the day the techs walked out to start the interview process.

Based on this post and your subsequent ones (asking for references and desired pay is a "power play"?), I have concluded you do not want, or possibly are afraid of, having a job. I feel bad for you and I hope you find someone to talk to who can help.

 

[mrkgoo]

I would not make someone sit in a waiting room on the other side of my office without even speaking to them when I told them to be at my office at 3 o clock and I knew they were finished with any pre requisites.

A hello, I am running behind. A handshake. And acknowledgement of my existence would have been all I needed to continue to wait. I felt ignored, and UNDERVALUED. I offer something to that company that he cannot do and is worth a substantial amount of money (60-70k) but his money is not worth more than my time. Period. It's a mutually beneficial relationship that will be treated as such, or I will continue to do without.

We get that it's the little things that can make you feel like that, but seriously, you have to learn to be less sensitive about little things.

I mean where do you draw the line between politeness, small talk, and politics?

 

[mekes]

I'd have walked out in roughly that amount of time. The only thing that would have kept me there would have been if I really liked what I had seen of the workplace. You had some red flags and I'm sure they played a part in your decision, they would have with mine.

 

[TheJLC]

Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.

Wow, you're just arrogant. Regardless of how you view the world, there are more important people than you. These questions are routine.

Your pride and dignity is only good if you understand how and when to use it. Otherwise, you can keep your pride and dignity in the food stamp line blaming everyone for your arrogance problem.

 

[enanogrande]

Man, I would KILL for that manager to be a GAFer.

 

[PSYGN]

It's nice that you can tell so much about a company based on an hours worth of your unemployed time. I haven't read any of your other posts beyond the starting, but it sounds like you just need to suck up your pride. He might have been hit with some important tasks in cleaning and organizing after the employers that left. I mean did you hear what his phone conversations were about? Was he talking to his wife or something? In that case, I'd be a little angry, but I wouldn't let it get the best of me when I need work. It's even possible what he wrote or gave you a time that was different than what he remembered. Abandoning a job interview, heh, that'll show 'em!

 

[terrisus]

I am not totally unemployed and it's basic negotiating skills that you don't seem over eager or desperate for a position.

"I am not totally single and it's basic relationship skills that you don't seem over eager or desparate for a girlfriend."

 

[Kinitari]

I actually agree wit u. Im same. Cant stand authority n I will dominate them any opportunity I have (likely my natural alpha is the reason).

But ur poor ass aint got no money so u shud have just sucked up u wasteman :lol

No offense to FreeMufasa, but if he would have acted the same as you in this situation... yo. Wake up call.

Spoiler

i love you threads mufasa

 

[Brakke]

Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me.

Lovin' it.

 

[theepicoftyler]

references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.

Salary history being given to an employer is only justification for them to offer you similar or comparable. "You were making this... and we are offering 10% more why is that not okay?"
What you made previous is of no business to a new company and should not be considered in anyway shape or form if you wish to advance your career financially. Especially when transitioning from mid level to senior roles.

I might seem ignorant in a lot of ways, but stand up for yourself dude.

I've never ever applied for a job that didn't require at least references. You are wrong.

 

[mrkgoo]

It is rare to see someone implode so spectacularly in near real-time. Thanks OP for actually posting this. Most people would have too much pride to put this out there. Though perhaps it is the same lack of self awareness that caused you to walk out on the interview that led you to think this thread was a good idea. If true, this seems to be a prime example of self-sabotage that makes one question if the OP even truly wants to work or just wants to complain about not working. you would think after so long of sitting on the outside looking in, that any job in the profession would be acceptable and a stepping stone. I just don't understand this way of thinking,

Nah, it would appear to me that OP's pride is so great, he still thinks he's in the right.

Still, none of is were there, sometimes gut instinct is worth something, but you can still play it strategic and smart and wait it out and see.

 

[Telephoto999]

I'd have walked out in roughly that amount of time. The only thing that would have kept me there would have been if I really liked what I had seen of the workplace. You had some red flags and I'm sure they played a part in your decision, they would have with mine.

This is true. If this had been a job at a large corporation like GM... HP.. IBM.. etc... waiting longer would have been more acceptable due to the promise of the benefits and the reputation behind the company. Working in a small office with 8 people when the boss while busy, obviously doesn't have time to even give you a decent conversation and sorry that he's running late it not a culture or workplace I want to be a part of. GAF obviously can't relate because they are only seeing it through my "entitled" word... but I promise anyone in this thread that if you had not been upset at what I was sitting in than I highly advise you get a backbone and stand up for yourself at some point in your life.

 

[jmood88]

I literally just filled out an app where the standard form asked for both. I guess I should have just cut it off when the page told me I couldn't submit without filling in all required fields because filling those out would be allowing myself to be trampled over, right?

You should've written, "Thacker said that you're trying to establish a dominant position over me and I need to cut that out, so I refuse to answer this question".

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

References before an interview are fine, but asking salary history up front is pretty crass.

 

[Mariolee]

This is true. If this had been a job at a large corporation like GM... HP.. IBM.. etc... waiting longer would have been more acceptable due to the promise of the benefits and the reputation behind the company. Working in a small office with 8 people when the boss while busy, obviously doesn't have time to even give you a decent conversation and sorry that he's running late it not a culture or workplace I want to be a part of. GAF obviously can't relate because they are only seeing it through my "entitled" word... but I promise anyone in this thread that if you had not been upset at what I was sitting in than I highly advise you get a backbone and stand up for yourself at some point in your life.

Again, you are not in any position to give advice.

 

[Ferrio]

His avatar is what makes this absolutely perfect.

 

[Waikis]

references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.

Salary history being given to an employer is only justification for them to offer you similar or comparable. "You were making this... and we are offering 10% more why is that not okay?"
What you made previous is of no business to a new company and should not be considered in anyway shape or form if you wish to advance your career financially. Especially when transitioning from mid level to senior roles.

I might seem ignorant in a lot of ways, but stand up for yourself dude.

I have had many many interviews and those are standard interview questions. You need to grow up from your "FIGHT THE AUTHORITY" mentality.

Employers ask those questions to filter out bogus applicants and make sure that they can afford you.Do you know how many resumes they get? What will happen if they go through with you and many interviews later they find out that you are out of their price range?

 

[Tesseract]

jesus christ dude, pick your battles

 

[Jeff Albertson]

Convinced this is a troll now.

If not then the OP seems to severely lack social skills and seems pretty much unemployable.

Power play?
Being walked all over?

Bullshit

The character portrayed within reminds me of someone I used to know; he was a real mummy's boy and just didn't get real life interactions yet kept an air of arrogance at all times.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.

Salary history being given to an employer is only justification for them to offer you similar or comparable. "You were making this... and we are offering 10% more why is that not okay?"
What you made previous is of no business to a new company and should not be considered in anyway shape or form if you wish to advance your career financially. Especially when transitioning from mid level to senior roles.

Salary history is usually something pretty upfront from what I have experienced. The business doesn't want to waste their time with someone who thinks their pay range is a no-go and you don't want to sit through multiple interviews just to get an offer that you reject out of hand. You may be able to turn it around on the person, obviously phone is better than email for this, by asking them what their range is, but it is better for both parties to have an idea what they're looking at salary wise.

 

[Telephoto999]

You should've written, "Thacker said that you're trying to establish a dominant position over me and I need to cut that out, so I refuse to answer this question".

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

 

[kitchenmotors]

Best of luck to your boyfriend, he may like getting walked on but I don't.

You walked out and that was unprofessional. You don't have to accept the job because you felt wronged in this situation, but at least keep your commitments. My boyfriend has gone to interviews where he wasn't sure if he actually wanted to job, especially with one where the manager seemed kinda flaky. He still kept his commitments and went because it's professional.

Anyway, best of luck to you.

 

[RevoDS]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

You'll be paid zero now.

Joke's on you.

 

[Telephoto999]

Salary history is usually something pretty upfront from what I have experienced. The business doesn't want to waste their time with someone who thinks their pay range is a no-go and you don't want to sit through multiple interviews just to get an offer that you reject out of hand. You may be able to turn it around on the person, obviously phone is better than email for this, by asking them what their range is, but it is better for both parties to have an idea what they're looking at salary wise.

Which is why I responded to him with a range of 60-70k. If I had told him my history was 52k as it was at my last position, come offer time I would have been offered 55-60k. He isn't going to shoot 25% higher than I was making previously if he thinks he can get me for less. Obviously by inviting me in for an interview he was okay with the range I gave him, but offering my history would have shot me in the foot. Not that what I did didn't shoot me in the foot, because obviously it did... but come on GAF.

 

[Ferrio]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

Okay sure, but if they pull that you can just say fuck it and leave, maybe then they'll even counter offer. Instead of just imagining it happening and leaving beforehand.

 

[iammeiam]

references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.

Salary history being given to an employer is only justification for them to offer you similar or comparable. "You were making this... and we are offering 10% more why is that not okay?"

Asking for salary history isn't an abnormal power play--there's nothing wrong with giving a range in response, but this guy asking for salary history up front may have been a sign of respect for both of your time. If your range was way, way too high, he'd opt to not bring you in. No harm, no foul. Likewise, asking for references to fast-track a process when they're apparently hurting for people isn't the boss trying to dominate. And he was apparently fine with doing it your way, too, which would indicate not totally power-mad.

Getting frustrated at the wait? Understandable. Deciding not to ask questions and to stomp off in a haze of indignation? Silly, but a comprehensible mistake. From the e-mail response to the constant doubling down, though, is a behavior pattern which will fuck your career over in a big way.

 

[ab.aeterno]

That wasn't part of my question. In my scenario you're a human being and you fuck up (hey, maybe something you can relate to) - do you hire the guy who gives you shit, or do you hire the guy who is calm, reasonable and understanding.

Basically. Even leaving wouldn't have been an unfixable problem if you responded correctly, but your reply email was unprofessional and boorish. You never burn bridges you don't have to. Speaking from personal experience, it leaves room for opportunities later.

Listen to what everyone's saying, and learn from it. Ask questions if you're unsure, don't burn bridges, and have patience even when it's hard.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Honestly?

I would love to have an employee like me. I cannot stand to see someone let themselves get run over in any situation.

The first email from this guy was a power play.

"Thanks for sending your resume. Before further consideration can I have references and a salary history as well?"

I replied "I would prefer to give references later in the interview process, and my salary history is confidential but the range I am looking to make is xx,xxx - xx,xxx"

He still offered the phone interview after I said this... but it was a power play pure and simple.

I have a problem with "authority" and I have a problem with anyone feeling above me... yes. I have a lot of pride, and dignity but I know there's someone out there that will respect someone standing up for themselves more than they would someone sitting in their waiting room basically drooling to get whatever table scraps I would throw them as a job.

I would not make someone sit in a waiting room on the other side of my office without even speaking to them when I told them to be at my office at 3 o clock and I knew they were finished with any pre requisites.

A hello, I am running behind. A handshake. And acknowledgement of my existence would have been all I needed to continue to wait. I felt ignored, and UNDERVALUED. I offer something to that company that he cannot do and is worth a substantial amount of money (60-70k) but his money is not worth more than my time. Period. It's a mutually beneficial relationship that will be treated as such, or I will continue to do without.

references before an interview, and salary history are not normal things to ask for.

Salary history being given to an employer is only justification for them to offer you similar or comparable. "You were making this... and we are offering 10% more why is that not okay?"
What you made previous is of no business to a new company and should not be considered in anyway shape or form if you wish to advance your career financially. Especially when transitioning from mid level to senior roles.

I might seem ignorant in a lot of ways, but stand up for yourself dude.

Not only are you giving out shit advice, you can even be bothered to listen to others' advice.

FYI, Listening skills are an essential at any job.

I actually agree wit u. Im same. Cant stand authority n I will dominate them any opportunity I have (likely my natural alpha is the reason).

But ur poor ass aint got no money so u shud have just sucked up u wasteman :lol

Tell Simba I said what up.

This is true. If this had been a job at a large corporation like GM... HP.. IBM.. etc... waiting longer would have been more acceptable due to the promise of the benefits and the reputation behind the company. Working in a small office with 8 people when the boss while busy, obviously doesn't have time to even give you a decent conversation and sorry that he's running late it not a culture or workplace I want to be a part of. GAF obviously can't relate because they are only seeing it through my "entitled" word... but I promise anyone in this thread that if you had not been upset at what I was sitting in than I highly advise you get a backbone and stand up for yourself at some point in your life.

Because Fortune 500 companies are NEVER busy?

This is all one elaborate troll, isn't it?

 

[Telephoto999]

You walked out and that was unprofessional. You don't have to accept the job because you felt wronged in this situation, but at least keep your commitments. My boyfriend has gone to interviews where he wasn't sure if he actually wanted to job, especially with one where the manager seemed kinda flaky. He still kept his commitments and went because it's professional.

Anyway, best of luck to you.

Keep my commitments?

This is.... so...angering.

I was there 15 minutes and waited almost an hour.
Who is the one that didn't keep his commitments?

Can you imagine if I showed up 45 minutes late?

 

[Pakkidis]

Sadly I have been in a similiar situation when I was younger applying to Future Shop (retail store in Canada). My "interview" was at 1 oclock. I show up and was told to walk around the store until the manager was ready. One hour passes by....nothing.... I ask how much longer, they say not long. 2 hours pass by and I finally get to see the manager. Here is how the intreview began.

Him: When was your interview time
Me; 1 oclock
Him: And you just showed up now?!? *he looks stunned*
Me: No I showed up here at 1 oclcok
Him: Oh sorry for keeping you waiting so long.


Needless to say I was pissed off and didn't care if I got the job or not. (I didn't get the job) He also insulted me in the interview.


Personally you should have waited at least one hour.

 

[Mariolee]

Which is why I responded to him with a range of 60-70k. If I had told him my history was 52k as it was at my last position, come offer time I would have been offered 55-60k. He isn't going to shoot 25% higher than I was making previously if he thinks he can get me for less. Obviously by inviting me in for an interview he was okay with the range I gave him, but offering my history would have shot me in the foot. Not that what I did didn't shoot me in the foot, because obviously it did... but come on GAF.

You ended up with no money in the end. Obviously it would've been smarter to just do everything they asked, would it not? What did you gain from this and what did you lose?

 

[railGUN]

17 pages of unadulterated trolling and people still going in for more.

And if, by some slim chance it's real, it's a lost cause.

 

[SteveWinwood]

You'll be paid zero now.

Joke's on you.

no jokes on them

thacker still has his dignity

eat it small business of 8 people

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

This is true. If this had been a job at a large corporation like GM... HP.. IBM.. etc... waiting longer would have been more acceptable due to the promise of the benefits and the reputation behind the company. Working in a small office with 8 people when the boss while busy, obviously doesn't have time to even give you a decent conversation and sorry that he's running late it not a culture or workplace I want to be a part of. GAF obviously can't relate because they are only seeing it through my "entitled" word... but I promise anyone in this thread that if you had not been upset at what I was sitting in than I highly advise you get a backbone and stand up for yourself at some point in your life.

Thacker you seem really combative and anti-authoritarian. I'm much the same so I get where you're coming from. You were right to be offended but you really should have asked what was going on before leaving. A lot of the time people make mistakes and if your first reaction is to fight back it will often make things worse. It's better to confront an issue responsibly, understand it and the actors fully and then decide a course of action.

The right choice may have been to leave after all, but potentially it could have been a bad string of errors.

Best thing I can say is that you have to look at these situations objectively and avoid an assumption that someone is trying to pull one over on you, 90% of the time what seems like malice is simply incompetence.

 

[mrkgoo]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

It's not always like that.

I've seen companies pay even more than what was discussed because that is the protocol of the company to pay based on experience.

I understand your point, but not everyone is some evil maniacal "president business" trying to maximise every penny and give you the lowest they can get away with.

No doubt the asking of salary IS a negotiating point, but it's not like they can't just contact a previous employer and ask. By non-disclosing it just seems like you have more to hide.

 

[cheststrongwell]

This is true. If this had been a job at a large corporation like GM... HP.. IBM.. etc... waiting longer would have been more acceptable due to the promise of the benefits and the reputation behind the company. Working in a small office with 8 people when the boss while busy, obviously doesn't have time to even give you a decent conversation and sorry that he's running late it not a culture or workplace I want to be a part of. GAF obviously can't relate because they are only seeing it through my "entitled" word... but I promise anyone in this thread that if you had not been upset at what I was sitting in than I highly advise you get a backbone and stand up for yourself at some point in your life.

You don't sound like someone with a backbone. I'm getting wet noodle vibes from you.

 

[Amagon]

I am also assuming you don't hire people with misdemeanors or small problems from their past as well like every other HR department that rejected me in the past and lead me to this shitty situation I am in now.

No, scratch that. I did a crime, I was punished and it's my fault, but people in positions like yours made sure I felt it for years after.

I can tell you one thing, we hired employees that had criminal records and only brought them into our company if they have the experience that we need for the position and also, the enthusiasm & drive to strive our company to be successful. (I work in manufacturing fyi) But if their is a ounce of during the interview process where the potential employee shows signs of flakiness, not knowing or caring about the position/company, or just full of him/herself. They will not be called back.

the employer is going to know what the market rate is for the position and there is nothing that you can do or show that will get him to exceed that, particularly in a job like entry level IT where are are a fungible asset. This is a buyer's market, not sellers, barring a few specific industries. Which should be obvious from your lack of success in getting even phone interviews.

qft

 

[RedHotChimiChanga]

Keep my commitments?

This is.... so...angering.

I was there 15 minutes and waited almost an hour.
Who is the one that didn't keep his commitments?

Can you imagine if I showed up 45 minutes late?

I waited longer for ramen. You need more patience, bro.

 

[Telephoto999]

You ended up with no money in the end. Obviously it would've been smarter to just do everything they asked, would it not? What did you gain from this and what did you lose?

right, lay over... put up with any shit they give you because hell. AT LEAST THEY ARE PAYING YOU SOMETHING

'merica

 

[traveler]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

If they give me an offer I can't or don't want to take, I won't take it. Likewise, if I establish that that is my history but this is the progression I expect based on what I can bring to the company and they cannot afford it, they won't bite. It's not that hard.

And, really, it doesn't even matter. Most of the positions I apply for have salary up front or I can figure it out through other people who work there before even applying. The salary history is more another tool for employers to weed out candidates (who they cannot possible afford) with than it is some sort of duplicitous means of getting the edge over you.

If you're going to see every little thing companies or their members do as parts of some war between you and them from day 1, you're going to have a pretty hard time succeeding in any kind of employment. You should always look out for number 1, but you should also recognize that employment is a compromise as well as grounds for cooperation.

 

[sonikokaruto]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

Well, i think free time means more money, a lot more money.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

the employer is going to know what the market rate is for the position and there is nothing that you can do or show that will get him to exceed that, particularly in a job like entry level IT where are are a fungible asset. This is a buyer's market, not sellers, barring a few specific industries. Which should be obvious from your lack of success in getting even phone interviews.

 

[CrankyJay]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

I've always been taught to deflect the salary question, saying you'd like to learn more about the position. When they ask again what you were making give a range. I bumped up my range and got a higher amount my next job.

 

[Ferrio]

Keep my commitments?

This is.... so...angering.

I was there 15 minutes and waited almost an hour.
Who is the one that didn't keep his commitments?

Can you imagine if I showed up 45 minutes late?

I don't think you understand this whole process man.

You're trying to get them to hire you... not the other way around.


I'm almost 90% sure this is a troll thread, no way this can be real.

 

[terrisus]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

They can see that you're currently unemployed.

How much more control can they possibly have?

 

[GameGuru59]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

Go work for the government. You're not cut out for private sector employment.

 

[jmood88]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

Please stop. You're the one who has been unemployed forever, not me, so don't try to lecture me when you don't even understand the interview process. You made up a salary history and they agreed to see you, so where's the issue? You sound as narcissistic as that Elliot Rodger guy (without the killing people stuff).

 

[User 100115]

GAF not realizing that by giving your salary history to an employer you are giving them complete control of the negotiating process when it comes offer time is beyond me. They already have enough control as it is but giving them an even more advantageous spot to pay your ass less is fucking laughable.

So here's the thing.

They have control because they are in charge. They want to know if they can afford you and what a reasonable offer would be. If you were really worth it to them, you could negotiate for more.

You are an unemployed nobody trying to sell yourself to someone. Unless you have a huge reputation and are as in demand as Tony Stark, you don't get to set the rules for the interview.