Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yes because final smashes are an indicator to a character's "completeness".
He was added late (but Sonic was added later) but he was not incomplete.
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 8: Put mii in, coach
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Yes because final smashes are an indicator to a character's "completeness".
He was added late (but Sonic was added later) but he was not incomplete.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Not to be that guy, but you forgot the s on days.
Getting closer!!!!!
Also has anyone posted this? Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U: SSBM Intro Remastered
Dawn of the third day. 72 hours remain.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
i feel this is appropriate for some odd reason
HYPE YO HYPE
Dont be that guy Arch
lol
You jerk, I saw Lucina and got excited ;-;
NeonZ
Member
A Final Smash is part of the character though, one of the most advertised features of Brawl, in fact. I mean, I don't see how this is even a matter worth of debate. The alternative to Wolf being incomplete is Sakurai being completely unable to conceptualize an unique Final Smash for him and setting out from the start to implement a creatively dead Landmaster repaint, which makes no sense at all. It's basically Wolf's only move that's taken straight from Fox, rather than at least receiving a new animation.
They must have ran into a wall of time or resources and sticked him with the Landmaster to focus on other content or characters. The idea that they set out from the start to give him a Landmaster just doesn't make sense.
Someone made this mock up after E3 last year, and I thought it was pretty good:
Especially that .Exe scheme. Though, now that he's part of his Final Smash, I guess that's less likely to happen.
You know, it had never clued into me that they could make these colour alt's based on how he changes colour, after obtaining a weapon in the series. But it seems more likely that he will get a Protoman costume, complete with scarf & shield.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Didn't stop Lucas, Ness, Toon Link and Link to have shared FS though.
And yes, it's just a final smash. It's even "tweaked". It's more than I can say to someone like say, Falco or Toon Link.
I hope he doesn't. Protoman is his own character.
Weltall Zero
Member
There should be a stage where the gravity works like in Mario Galaxy. Get smashed high enough and you escape the planet's gravity well and float towards your doom (powerbomb type moves stop working since, well... no gravity, no "down"). Crazier and unplayable-er stages have happened.
Beelzebufo
Banned
You think Mega Man getting a scarf and shield is more likely than him just turning green for an alternate color?
Weltall Zero
Member
Uh, I think that's ridiculously optimistic. Not saying more than one newcomer isn't happening, but ASSUMING so might lead to unnecessary disappointment.
Beelzebufo
Banned
There were only 4 secret newcomers in Brawl, and one of them was Toon Link. Assuming that characters like a possibly revamped Ganondorf and a returning Mewtwo could also be secret characters, it's hardly outside the realm of possibility. You're potentially setting yourself up for disappointment.
Seems legit, yeah.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Oh yeah Sunday and Monday exists
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I went back and check my file to see why S isn't there. I noticed that I made the font too big that it actually pushed S out of the font box. I don't know why I didn't even notice it in first place. Thank you for pointing it out.
ArchedThunder
Banned
At least on Monday we have lots of game info coming out, Sunday is going to be a drag.
I went back and check my file to see why S isn't there. I noticed that I made the font too big that it actually pushed S out of the font box. I don't know why I didn't even notice it in first place. Thank you for pointing it out.
Lol, well now it's perfect.
Now im really hype after seeing this gif. Can't wait to see the games. Also lol "red luigi"
DisconnectD
Member
Well deduced. lol
The colleseum reveal was a pretty satisfying "last Friday" kind of unveiling and I bet that stage will be available in the demo given the context of the reveal.
I can't believe there are only 3 days left till the digital event! I work today through monday, too so time should fly.
I recently realized that next Sat is my birthday and not only will I be playing SSBU, my g.f. has decided to come along & even bring the cake she's makin (along w/ candles) so we can celebrate while in line at Best Buy LOL. What a gal.
ArchedThunder
Banned
That sounds both awesome and incredibly sad.
Diddy Kong
Banned
I went back and check my file to see why S isn't there. I noticed that I made the font too big that it actually pushed S out of the font box. I don't know why I didn't even notice it in first place. Thank you for pointing it out.
beautiful!
If he's included in the game as an unlockable trophy, especially as an assist trophy, I would be fine with that, as well. Really, costume, boss, or trophy, I would like Super Smash Bros. U to have some Protoman love in some fashion.
Oops. I've forgot to type about that Mega Man.EXE colour pallet being less likely to be included in the game, etc. My bad!
I was going to post this 2 days ago, but I got a bit lazy to do a write up and certain things distracted me lol. This is probably the last post about stuff from the Smash Direct, so here goes. Also, I may use ledge and edge interchangeably, so don't mind that.
Ledge Mechanics
Let's talk about simple things we know so far.
Backwards Ledge Grabbing
We know you can grab the ledge even if you're facing away from the ledge.
Tether Recovery
We know more than one person can tether the ledge and it will be from a longer distance as well. It isn't clear whether one can tether the ledge even if someone is already there holding on to the ledge.
"Pic of the day. Tether recovery? Yes, you can! And from even longer range than before. Multiple fighters can latch on--who actually grabs hold is determined by the same rules as the standard ledge grab."
And now let's go to the big kahuna.
Grabbing the Ledge and Invincibility
Pic of the day. There are many changes being made to attack and defense options for grabbing edges. In this picture, Link is actually trumping Mario's grab.
Some other changes include:
-Air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge.
-Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage.
Here is the Japanese version, if someone can translate it, it would be great. There could have been something lost in translation since this is a somewhat complicated PotD.
So this is my interpretation of what the pic is showing and what Sakurai means with "Link trumping Mario":
Mario did not have invincibility, so Link was able to take the ledge from him without attacking him. That's it. I think that's also the conclusion other people came to, but I don't remember.
The 100% damage thing is referring to how you would be able to hold on to the ledge for a lesser amount of time when you have 100%+ damage. It would also change your animation (slower ones) for when getting up from the ledge through various ways (attack, jump, & roll). So that's gone in SSB4.
And now onto invincibility.
Note: These are 30fps GIFs of 60fps games and I refer to the 30fps , so keep that in mind when I'm talking about frames. These are most likely inaccurate, but it gives a general idea.
Here is Brawl's ledge invincibility.
Frame of the beginning of the ledge grab animation: 15
Frame of the last white flash: 36
So that's 21 frames of invincibility. I haven't looked at frame data extensively for Brawl (or Melee/PM), so I'm not sure about the variances depending on how you grab the ledge or which character you're using.
But that's not the important part. What's important is that we've seen some examples of how long ledge invincibility can last in Smash 4.
Frame of the beginning of the ledge grab animation: 13
Frame of the last white flash: 61
48 frames of ledge invincibility.
Frame of the beginning of the ledge grab animation: 31
Frame of the last white flash: 91
60 frames of ledge invincibility.
This is a pretty large difference and we know it has to do with amount of damage and air time. But that's not it. We've seen 0 invincibility as well.
I have no idea why they have no invincibility. Maybe it has something to do with whatever they're using to make the camera angle different and cause it to pan? But it does that in Little Mac's as well. I guess we'll find out eventually.
It is safe to say the edge game is now much more favorable to the player who is recovering and it seems that ledge stalling is going to be ineffective. It is going to be interesting seeing how this turns out.
Also, auto-sweetspot is back it seems. I don't think I've seen a character missing the ledge when using a recovery move and aiming for the ledge.
Ledge Mechanics
Let's talk about simple things we know so far.
Backwards Ledge Grabbing
We know you can grab the ledge even if you're facing away from the ledge.
Tether Recovery
We know more than one person can tether the ledge and it will be from a longer distance as well. It isn't clear whether one can tether the ledge even if someone is already there holding on to the ledge.
"Pic of the day. Tether recovery? Yes, you can! And from even longer range than before. Multiple fighters can latch on--who actually grabs hold is determined by the same rules as the standard ledge grab."
And now let's go to the big kahuna.
Grabbing the Ledge and Invincibility
Pic of the day. There are many changes being made to attack and defense options for grabbing edges. In this picture, Link is actually trumping Mario's grab.
Some other changes include:
-Air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge.
-Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage.
Here is the Japanese version, if someone can translate it, it would be great. There could have been something lost in translation since this is a somewhat complicated PotD.
So this is my interpretation of what the pic is showing and what Sakurai means with "Link trumping Mario":
Mario did not have invincibility, so Link was able to take the ledge from him without attacking him. That's it. I think that's also the conclusion other people came to, but I don't remember.
The 100% damage thing is referring to how you would be able to hold on to the ledge for a lesser amount of time when you have 100%+ damage. It would also change your animation (slower ones) for when getting up from the ledge through various ways (attack, jump, & roll). So that's gone in SSB4.
And now onto invincibility.
Note: These are 30fps GIFs of 60fps games and I refer to the 30fps , so keep that in mind when I'm talking about frames. These are most likely inaccurate, but it gives a general idea.
Here is Brawl's ledge invincibility.
Frame of the beginning of the ledge grab animation: 15
Frame of the last white flash: 36
So that's 21 frames of invincibility. I haven't looked at frame data extensively for Brawl (or Melee/PM), so I'm not sure about the variances depending on how you grab the ledge or which character you're using.
But that's not the important part. What's important is that we've seen some examples of how long ledge invincibility can last in Smash 4.
Frame of the beginning of the ledge grab animation: 13
Frame of the last white flash: 61
48 frames of ledge invincibility.
Frame of the beginning of the ledge grab animation: 31
Frame of the last white flash: 91
60 frames of ledge invincibility.
This is a pretty large difference and we know it has to do with amount of damage and air time. But that's not it. We've seen 0 invincibility as well.
I have no idea why they have no invincibility. Maybe it has something to do with whatever they're using to make the camera angle different and cause it to pan? But it does that in Little Mac's as well. I guess we'll find out eventually.
It is safe to say the edge game is now much more favorable to the player who is recovering and it seems that ledge stalling is going to be ineffective. It is going to be interesting seeing how this turns out.
Also, auto-sweetspot is back it seems. I don't think I've seen a character missing the ledge when using a recovery move and aiming for the ledge.
Him and Ganondorf should have a trailer together. If they're even more varied from each other the trailer should show Falcon teaching Ganondorf his Special moves. Then Falcon goes "Show me your Moves", and Ganon busts out The Flame Choke and then some new moves.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
voltronbadA
Member
Agreed, when people take the time to explain things we already know and break down a lt f the info we already have makes me so hype! Keep it up man!
boclfon479
Member
Someone made this mock up after E3 last year, and I thought it was pretty good:
Especially that .Exe scheme. Though, now that he's part of his Final Smash, I guess that's less likely to happen.
as much as i like this, i'm going to hold out on the small glimmer of hope that the fact that they have the models for the different versions of megaman in the final smash means that they will be his alt costumes....
being able to play as legends megaman would literally make my day
Beelzebufo
Banned
I recommend watching the video D1MX posted about the direct if this interests you. It's long, but he goes through all this stuff, like the backwards grab!
theprodigy
Member
I'm going to laugh when the new ledge mechanic gets exploited for MORE PLANKING.
DisconnectD
Member
Perhaps the no invincibility is evidence of what Sakurai touched on about invincibility frames hinging on:
A. Air time &
B. Damage percentage
If you are between 0-50% and are in the air for less than a second, you get 0 frames
If you are 50% & airborne for more than a second, the amount of I. Frames ticks up until it caps out.
This whole change is going to be hella interesting indeed & good job/thanks for cracking this case wide open.
Troubled Bat
Member
It shows how hyped he is. :3
You are a lucky person. Keep hold of her, forever.
theprodigy
Member
They'll be revealed together with the same movesets, and you will like it.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Pretty much haha
But he's still the lamest out of the three, MegaSwampert is so much cooler and doesn't have a useless ability
DisconnectD
Member
It is the antithesis of sad for us and it shows how dedicated and sweet of a woman I have in my life. The whole thing came about as an afterthought b.c. we both didn't put 2&2 together that the 14th was my b.day; to us, it's just been smashfest day lol.
Thanks for the early b.day wishes guys and yes, I will hold onto her a.l.a.p. Batty, LOL.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Happy Early Birthday! :3
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
More like Blaziken confurmed
Yeah pretty much.
mega swampert looks too amazing to not be in the game though ;_;
theprodigy
Member
This isn't the Pokemon thread?
Dunno if I truly want Sceptile, but it is a logical choice. With
Mega
Cloud Strife
Member
So...Sceptile...