Yeah.
the choice of words is interesting, too. "one final smash"
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 8: Put mii in, coach
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the choice of words is interesting, too. "one final smash"
SolidSnakeUS
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So... Captain Falcon...
Seriously, this. I'm fine with a game that doesn't necessarily have L-cancelling, wavedashing, or jump cancelled shines. I'm not fine with a game that's slow, has few/weak movement options, and is defensively oriented.
True. The game could possibly pan out in either direction. If the combo game develops, it might be nice to be able to tank a few more percent. I'm not terribly optimistic about it, but I'm willing to give the game a chance.
So you like what you see? Glad to hear it. Pac-Man looks great, imo!
Kinsei will love this
Just joking in good fun, Kinsei :-3
It was proved fake.
JStein0222
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I feel bad for the people that have a hard time appreciating the game. This will be my favorite smash for a bunch of reasons
- 2 consoles
- HD on Wii U
- Can play online with my friends (well...let's hope)
- The variety of newcomers and stages that look absolutely dope (My boy, Mac)
- New content in all sorts of forms
I'm not saying I'm better than people that are stuck on melee, I just think this is a view echoed by many. I just want a new game that feels good and fresh.
Edit: As long as there isn't one character that is so obviously the best that me and all my friends swarm to him or her than we're fine. My friends and I loved brawl, I was a Sonic main and my best bud was all about Olimar. Apparently they suck in the competitive scene but they were definitely our best guys. So sometimes I think about how many people play like us vs how many people play the 'competitive' way.
- 2 consoles
- HD on Wii U
- Can play online with my friends (well...let's hope)
- The variety of newcomers and stages that look absolutely dope (My boy, Mac)
- New content in all sorts of forms
I'm not saying I'm better than people that are stuck on melee, I just think this is a view echoed by many. I just want a new game that feels good and fresh.
Edit: As long as there isn't one character that is so obviously the best that me and all my friends swarm to him or her than we're fine. My friends and I loved brawl, I was a Sonic main and my best bud was all about Olimar. Apparently they suck in the competitive scene but they were definitely our best guys. So sometimes I think about how many people play like us vs how many people play the 'competitive' way.
Sakurai always delivers!
RomanceDawn
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I was hardcore Brawl and loved what I played today. But it will take me hours of quality test time to really understand the game.
DK had a roll attack and a mid air down special. I'm happy as heck.
Oh and playing on the 3ds felt so good!
alfredofroylan
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I had a good chuckle at this, up is how the characters look at Smash, down is how the fans see that characters in the new games by Capcom, Namco and Sega
I doubt it. Lots of the depth in Melee comes from intent. Wavedashing is just one thing, but there's several things at the very core of Melee's programming that make it work the way it does. Brawl either gutted those, changed them for some reason (and no these aren't things that should be changed for any particular reason), or possibly were just completely glossed over/forgotten because Brawl, let's face it, was in an awkward position development wise (all those delays and who worked on it says it all).
Mixed bag. You'll find that some people are cautious about it still while others (most of the people who aren't even notable players at all in the community) are clearly shitting on it because it looks slightly like Brawl.
Was it? Sorry then, had no idea. :c
I'm pretty sure the people displeased about the gameplay mechanics of Smash 4 don't care whether or not the majority players share those concerns. Saying that the majority don't care about the mechanics of x, y, or z is akin to saying a poster's opinion is useless and should not be voiced. Let people express their gratitude and concern. I'm not a competitive player by any means but its super easy to understand their hesitation if you've followed Brawl.
I'm sure people are fully aware of the futility of applying the current Melee meta to Smash 4 and using that as a barometer of gameplay quality. But the same wait-and-see approach was done with Brawl and that didn't turn out well. Having impressions that cement the things they didn't like in Brawl, or even make things worse, would understandably make them upset. It may not impact someone like me who is mostly interested in the party aspects of the game, but it would certainly have a huge effect on the more competitive-oriented players. If you have the expertise to explain why certain changes in mechanics is not so bad then express it as a counterpoint to naysayers. But if you're like me and don't understand diddly squat about these fancy terms then it would be best to just sit back and let people voice their displeasure.
I'm sure people are fully aware of the futility of applying the current Melee meta to Smash 4 and using that as a barometer of gameplay quality. But the same wait-and-see approach was done with Brawl and that didn't turn out well. Having impressions that cement the things they didn't like in Brawl, or even make things worse, would understandably make them upset. It may not impact someone like me who is mostly interested in the party aspects of the game, but it would certainly have a huge effect on the more competitive-oriented players. If you have the expertise to explain why certain changes in mechanics is not so bad then express it as a counterpoint to naysayers. But if you're like me and don't understand diddly squat about these fancy terms then it would be best to just sit back and let people voice their displeasure.
Aaronrules380
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BassForever
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The problem is two way though, when some of the competitive gamers are saying "this looks to be the worst smash game ever" thats equally as toxic.
I think the moral of today is lets not jump to conclusions there is still a lot of time for things to be tweaked in smash bros, hell this game could possibly see balance patches/bug fixes so who knows.
oreomunsta
Banned
... is not going anywhere =] he, Ness, Falco, and either Jiggs or Mewtwo will return. Sakurai wouldn't let them be cut and have so many newcomers join. I think, also, that Sakurai is dodging Ice Climber questions as a way to keep them under wraps, or at least I hope so
Senselessb
Banned
Anyone notice that Ghosts are ATs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nP3ccMoQNHo#t=43
During the trailer, you see Pacman do his up B, while 4 ghosts cover the Dr Willy Stage.
They are ATs in this context.
Also when he uses Blinky as an attack, he has a black outline, unlike them here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nP3ccMoQNHo#t=43
During the trailer, you see Pacman do his up B, while 4 ghosts cover the Dr Willy Stage.
They are ATs in this context.
Also when he uses Blinky as an attack, he has a black outline, unlike them here.
http://atomix.vg/2014/06/10/e3-2014-gameplay-de-super-smash-brothers-wii-u-atomixe3/
Looks awesome, wanna get my hands on it.
Looks awesome, wanna get my hands on it.
Aaronrules380
Member
Here's something that might shock you: Some people actually prefer Brawl to Melee
OricWindstar
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JStein0222
Member
Well said. We shouldn't have a checklist of mechanics to look for in Smash 4 that were essentially created in Melee and never seen again.
theprodigy
Member
Right, so who said that
dat ass doeI watched it for over a minute waiting for something else to happen
Fun and competitive are not mutually exclusive.
Mr. Smiley
Member
He was popular fighter too and not just to the competitive scene either. I'll holdout just a little longer. If they're not revealing secret characters before release date, he may be one. A new complete MGS game is on the horizon so maybe.
I just got into MGS a year ago so I want him bad too.
sorakirosaki
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for me im not expecting another melee infact i dont want one nor do i want another brawl i would be perfectly happy with something inbetween and im hoping that since the game is still being developed that they add more things to the game that will please as many people as it can
this! I like to pla competitively but the melee folks just outright refuse to adapt. if it isn't melee its garbage.
You're gonna have to explain what that has to do with my post.
I liked Brawl better than Melee, too.
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
Competitive and not Melee are not mutually exclusive
JStein0222
Member
I know that when I try to go back and play melee I get stuck missing all the little things like being able to pick up items while running. I swear I spend the longest time trying to just grab an item whenever I go back and try melee again
Beelzebufo
Banned
So do we know what's up with G&W? Is there a reason he's not up on the official site?
CrunchyFrog
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Looks fake, whois has it registered to some random hotmail account
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<<Aaronrules380
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It sounded in your post like you thought Brawl was somehow inarguably worse when you said we saw how that turned out
He hasn't been formally unveiled yet. His purpose in Pac-Man's trailer was just to note the novelty of how he and Pac-Man predate everyone else on the roster.
As a Mr. G&W main in Brawl, I -really- want him to be confirmed, but I'll take this as an encouraging sign for the time being.
BassForever
Member
VVV
I know it's old by now, but I don't care. I'm just reading it.
Impressions and observations from invitational players:
http://meleeiton.me/2014/06/10/invitational-impressions/
Sounds like it could be the worst Smash game yet, or at least in contention. Hopefully the team at Nintendo is really listening to feedback. The grand finals of the invitational didn't look to hot either. And Sakurai's comment at today's roundtable inspires 0 confidence:
"When creating a game, we cannot just appeal to traditional fanbases. We need to reach out to new gamers, and cater to many target users."
Also, this is awful news if either point is remotely true:
Brawl was his idea of that too, right? Sounds like his plan to 'appeal to everyone' is to try and make the game play worse for the people that enjoy it most.
We'll see though. Even if it's the worst Smash, it will probably be great. And I'm probably just jumping to conclusions. We still know so little about this game.
And yes, he does go on to say "it'll probably still be great/jumping to conclusions" but the negative first mind set is toxic to discussion as the past few pages show
never said it was.
I just want some impressions that goes over the other stuff rather than "it is competitive?" As they are more meaningful right now as we won't truly know how the game stands up on that level until 3-6 months after release anyway
<.<
I might have said that. I think I was just bummed out from the initial impressions... at this point I'd say that's hyperbole probably.
theprodigy
Member
It's only toxic because people want to create an enemy for them to bash.
sorakirosaki
Member
i dont think this was an actual confirmation but just a small history lesson on when pac was released and its just more of a cameo
it seems that way although it might change it might not
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
If I'm reading that right it is from Japan?
But I assume that one of the other Nintendo sources would've brought attention to it, right?
Thanks for the impression!
Interesting. Thanks for answering. I'm pretty casual with Smash in general but it will suck if high level play doesnt rise from Smash 4 as I enjoy watching that.
Hypemaster
Member
Thank you kind person.
1 person in this thread made that comment. No need to attribute that to others who may have some overlapping opinions. I do not share that opinion whatsoever.
There is still a lot of time of development and I think we can all agree this game needs more time in the oven. I mean, it was freezing and crashing on people on the show floor!
One thing is for sure. The game we saw today will not be the game that launches at the end of this year.
I figured. I only meant that from the perspective of posters concerned with the early impressions of Smash 4 mechanics. Probably should have worded that better. The gist though is that anyone should be able to voice their opinion without having it invalidated by saying almost everyone else doesn't care.
it was inevitable....
I'm going to post this again because the message has not been put across at all.
I agree completely. It's the elitist attitude that's holding them back as a community and this kind of schism doesn't help create an enjoyable atmosphere for newcomers and veterans alike.
The worst offenders are those who believe they're a centrifugal part to the metagame and ruleset when they really aren't. There's really no reason to talk down or create an uncomfortable environment for people who enjoy the same things, albeit in different ways.
Although there were mistakes and mishaps in the consecutive game, the developers are actively trying to seek to make this game appeal to a range of audiences.
This sort of elitist attitude serves nothing other than divide the community and discourage people from taking part.
Saying people don't understand as if the competitive scene is the only right way to play is a horrible way of looking at things and it's a horrible way of expressing yourself.
Other communities go out of their way to proactively teach newcomers the basics of competitive gameplay so that they can ease into it.
The California FGC and Smash community is amazing at this and taking potshots at the people who are eventually going to be a part of the Smash or FGC community is counterproductive.
Rather than make your complaints in a haughty manner and actively say that newcomers do everything wrong, why don't you people actively try to teach them the mechanics rather than criticize them.
If they don't want to be a part of the competitive scene, that's perfectly fine and there's no reason to put them down for it. If they want to play with items, let them and play along with them. You are doing the entire community a disservice by going out and acting as if the rules and metagame revolve around you.
Unless you are someone who makes the rules and help develop the metagame, your opinions don't mean shit. If you want to make a lasting difference, go out there and expand the community by teaching others and making it a comfortable environment for newcomers.
Prog is like the James Chen of the Smash community and people like him, including Gimr, Hungrybox, Chibo, and the rest of Kings of Cali, VGBC, and Clash Tournaments deserve nothing but the utmost respect because not only do they spend hours to develop the metagame to what it is now, but they sit down and they actively teach those who want to join the community how to play.
None of us are developing the game, debugging the game, or even developing the rules and techniques that make up the competitive scene. NONE of us have a right to put down others and put up an elitist front that does nothing positive for the Smash scene.
We will NEVER develop as a community so long as people continue to act like this and do nothing positive to contribute to the wellbeing of the FGC and Smash communities.
If you have a fucking complaint, bring it up to those who are in charge of events and tournaments. Bring the concern to them and they'll gladly listen. Don't go bitch about it somewhere else and criticize others for not thinking the same thing.
If you say this shit and pull shit off in the NorCal and SoCal scenes, your reputation is wrecked. This goes for nearly every community out there. Go out and see what happens when you pull off this shit at a FGC or Smash Biweeklies or Tournament. Everyone wants to be better, everyone wants to enjoy the game.
TL;DR Get the fuck off your high horse and be inclusive. Your opinions really don't mean shit at all and if you really want to contribute to the community, create a positive environment and teach others the game like how the Tekken and Street Fighter communities teach others how to play and build fightsticks. That's how you develop a community and that's how you get people to play your game, not with that kind of attitude that we see regularly on Smashboards and even on GAF.
I agree completely. It's the elitist attitude that's holding them back as a community and this kind of schism doesn't help create an enjoyable atmosphere for newcomers and veterans alike.
The worst offenders are those who believe they're a centrifugal part to the metagame and ruleset when they really aren't. There's really no reason to talk down or create an uncomfortable environment for people who enjoy the same things, albeit in different ways.
Although there were mistakes and mishaps in the consecutive game, the developers are actively trying to seek to make this game appeal to a range of audiences.
This sort of elitist attitude serves nothing other than divide the community and discourage people from taking part.
Saying people don't understand as if the competitive scene is the only right way to play is a horrible way of looking at things and it's a horrible way of expressing yourself.
Other communities go out of their way to proactively teach newcomers the basics of competitive gameplay so that they can ease into it.
The California FGC and Smash community is amazing at this and taking potshots at the people who are eventually going to be a part of the Smash or FGC community is counterproductive.
Rather than make your complaints in a haughty manner and actively say that newcomers do everything wrong, why don't you people actively try to teach them the mechanics rather than criticize them.
If they don't want to be a part of the competitive scene, that's perfectly fine and there's no reason to put them down for it. If they want to play with items, let them and play along with them. You are doing the entire community a disservice by going out and acting as if the rules and metagame revolve around you.
Unless you are someone who makes the rules and help develop the metagame, your opinions don't mean shit. If you want to make a lasting difference, go out there and expand the community by teaching others and making it a comfortable environment for newcomers.
Prog is like the James Chen of the Smash community and people like him, including Gimr, Hungrybox, Chibo, and the rest of Kings of Cali, VGBC, and Clash Tournaments deserve nothing but the utmost respect because not only do they spend hours to develop the metagame to what it is now, but they sit down and they actively teach those who want to join the community how to play.
None of us are developing the game, debugging the game, or even developing the rules and techniques that make up the competitive scene. NONE of us have a right to put down others and put up an elitist front that does nothing positive for the Smash scene.
We will NEVER develop as a community so long as people continue to act like this and do nothing positive to contribute to the wellbeing of the FGC and Smash communities.
If you have a fucking complaint, bring it up to those who are in charge of events and tournaments. Bring the concern to them and they'll gladly listen. Don't go bitch about it somewhere else and criticize others for not thinking the same thing.
If you say this shit and pull shit off in the NorCal and SoCal scenes, your reputation is wrecked. This goes for nearly every community out there. Go out and see what happens when you pull off this shit at a FGC or Smash Biweeklies or Tournament. Everyone wants to be better, everyone wants to enjoy the game.
TL;DR Get the fuck off your high horse and be inclusive. Your opinions really don't mean shit at all and if you really want to contribute to the community, create a positive environment and teach others the game like how the Tekken and Street Fighter communities teach others how to play and build fightsticks. That's how you develop a community and that's how you get people to play your game, not with that kind of attitude that we see regularly on Smashboards and even on GAF.