Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 8: Put mii in, coach

This was my E3 loot....

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I. am. envious. How did you get so many shirts? And how did you get a medal?! How many medals were there?

Edit: SELL ME A SHIRT
 
Did they tell us why they didn't have all announced fighters available at E3/BestBuy?

i think it might have been just a quick fast e3 build they made with some minor balance changes and what not

This was my E3 loot....

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i am super jealous of you those shirts are radddddd

my main gripe with the whole brawl vs melee thing is that there are some people who just want another melee which is kinda upsetting despite brawls faults i enjoyed it just as much. This is also why im not a big fan of project M (ive played it and there are certain aspects of the game im not very fond of i get other people are into it but to me project M just seemed kinda dumb)
 
They're kinda stuck in a hard place because they need someone that's both recognizable and distinctive, and as you know the non-lord characters are unfortunately virtual unknowns outside of the FE fandom. At the same time all but one of the lords in the past 10 years or so fit into the same general mold.

I sincerely hope that IS make wildly different protags for the next couple of games just so that we don't need to see this problem again.

This is why I claim Sakurai has his hands tied by the higher ups as we get into more of the games being made. Back during melee, he didn't give a shit about how much Japan Only characters or refrences were in. Now he's resorting to adding a literal relative of Marth in over more variety just because he's recognizable? It doesn't take much to notice, look down at the bottom of some character pages and it will lead you to a site to buy the characters latest game! Can't do that with Takamaru or a character from a game thats selling like shit anyway.

The larger the budget for making the game, the less freedom he probably has in who he chooses. Notice how there wasn't even an official character poll this time around? Arguably the only fan favorite characters he added seem to be carry overs from brawl - Mega Man and Villager (who had the most sucessful game in his franchise released at the time), the rest were very much not high on any unofficial lists.

I'm not a supporter of any of these characters I'll be mentioning but Waluigi, and Bowser Jr. were wanted over Rosalina, yet she got in. After being added as a staple to the Mario series as well. It feels wrong that these other two characters were skipped over entirely and I truly feel sorry for their fans. Sakurai has created personas before and I think despite Waluigi not appearing in any main titles, the fans have really given life and character to Waluigi that Sakurai could use, hell he fucked Luigi up in Brawl personality wise so what's wrong here?

Then taking that rumor into account, its a complete joke for some long time fans waiting for their characters. Wii Fit Trainer, Palutena, Mii Fighters, Chrom, Chorus Kids - and if this refers to the kids who appear in one game and on the box for the DS version and NOT Marshal that even further proves that it was mainly a marketting move because they were used in the DS promotion.

Now that Little Mac has a Wii era game, he's all of a sudden playable material? Why couldn't he have been in Brawl? And while I love Shulk he probably wouldn't have a chance in hell if Xenoblade Chronicles X wasn't coming out. Now we have Lucas possibly on the chopping block all because they can't lead people to a "buy it now" page for him. We have Sakurai saying one thing and doing the other with characters many times, he's either losing more of his mind with every new Smash game he makes, or there is something else going on.

I'm personally happy with the characters I wanted getting in, I got more than I was asking for in Mega Man, Villager, possibly Shulk, and Little Mac but I'm not the type to not care if other fans get what they want in fairness. When I look at some if the choices, I just don't see AS much as I did when I saw the Brawl line up. He really was looking at most of those request back then.
 
Oh, did we ever find out what Villager's neutral air A attack is?

also sakurai made brawl bad on purpose to hurt the hearts of competitive smash players why would you ever defend such a terrible marketer
 
I think everyone agrees Melee is better than Brawl for competitive play. But that doesn't mean Melee is in every respect better, and Brawl is a huge step down. One big area that Brawl improved upon is items - the item game is much better in Brawl than Melee.

First off, it's easier to grab items. You can grab items with relative ease while dashing, while dash attacking, you can grab them out of the air, you can grab them while doing an air attack, you can grab them while air dodging, and you can grab them after your opponent has thrown them. This was all possible in Melee, but the timing is more forgiving in Brawl.

Offense is better for a couple reasons: first and foremost, the game speed. With everything being slower and floatier, it's to nail your opponent with a thrown item or a shot from a Ray Gun or a Super Scope. Additionally, being able to run around with those shooting items and the Fire Flower (as opposed to standing still when firing) gives you a lot more options. The last major thing is what happens when you throw an item and hit someone. Instead of dropping straight down, items in Brawl have a way of bouncing back in the direction of the thrower. This is egregious with the Trampoline, but it's noticeable with stick weapons, too. This allows you to keep up an item barrage longer, since you can quickly pick up the item you just nailed your opponent with and throw it again.

Defense is improved, too, which helps balance out the offensive boosts. Being able to grab items that your opponent has thrown more easily is huge. Multiple air dodges are a big improvement, too, since you can dodge a projectile without being a sitting duck for the next one coming at you. Also, the fact that you generally survive longer in Brawl keeps explosive items in particular from being too powerful. In Melee, if you touched an explosive capsule, it was curtains for you; those things could kill at very low percents (even at zero, depending on the stage - the top of Fourside was really bad in this regard.) In Brawl, an unfortunate run-in with an explosive isn't quite so lethal. Finally, the reduced hitstun means you have an easier time escaping from Super Scopes, Ray Guns, Fans, and the like. In Melee, if someone started firing a Super Scope, you were basically trapped until it ran out of ammo. Not so in Brawl.

The two items removed from Melee - the Red Shell and the Flipper - were, in my opinion, the worst ones, so it's no loss. The Bumper is far more effective than the Flipper because it's knockback is so much better, especially on the initial throw. The Red Shell was just as bad for you as it was for your opponent; all it ultimately did was wipe out one of the platforms for a time.

The only thing Melee has relevant to the item game that Brawl doesn't is power shielding - the loss of which is mitigated by the Franklin Badge and the easier time grabbing an already-thrown item.

tl;dr: it isn't fair to totally denigrate Brawl at the expense of Melee. They're different games with their own strengths and weaknesses. Some of the changes that weakened Brawl's competitive potential strengthened other types of play - item play, for one.

.....you can't seriously sit here and tell me Brawl's slower speed made item offense better
 
This is why I claim Sakurai has his hands tied by the higher ups as we get into more of the games being made. Back during melee, he didn't give a shit about how much Japan Only characters or refrences were in. Now he's resorting to adding a literal relative of Marth in over more variety just because he's recognizable? It doesn't take much to notice, look down at the bottom of some character pages and it will lead you to a site to buy the characters latest game! Can't do that with Takamaru or a character from a game thats selling like shit anyway.

The larger the budget for making the game, the less freedom he probably has in who he chooses. Notice how there wasn't even an official character poll this time around? Arguably the only fan favorite characters he added seem to be carry overs from brawl - Mega Man and Villager (who had the most sucessful game in his franchise released at the time), the rest were very much not high on any unofficial lists.

I'm not a supporter of any of these characters I'll be mentioning but Waluigi, and Bowser Jr. were wanted over Rosalina, yet she got in. After being added as a staple to the Mario series as well. It feels wrong that these other two characters were skipped over entirely and I truly feel sorry for their fans. Sakurai has created personas before and I think despite Waluigi not appearing in any main titles, the fans have really given life and character to Waluigi that Sakurai could use, hell he fucked Luigi up in Brawl personality wise so what's wrong here?

Then taking that rumor into account, its a complete joke for some long time fans waiting for their characters. Wii Fit Trainer, Palutena, Mii Fighters, Chrom, Chorus Kids - and if this refers to the kids who appear in one game and on the box for the DS version and NOT Marshal that even further proves that it was mainly a marketing move because they were used in the DS promotion.

Now that Little Mac has a Wii era game, he's all of a sudden playable material? Why couldn't he have been in Brawl? And while I love Shulk he probably wouldn't have a chance in hell if Xenoblade Chronicles X wasn't coming out. Now we have Lucas possibly on the chopping block all because they can't lead people to a "buy it now" page for him. We have Sakurai saying one thing and doing the other with characters many times, he's either losing more of his mind with every new Smash game he makes, or there is something else going on.

I'm personally happy with the characters I wanted getting in, I got more than I was asking for in Mega Man, Villager, possibly Shulk, and Little Mac but I'm not the type to not care if other fans get what they want in fairness. When I look at some if the choices, I just don't see AS much as I did when I saw the Brawl line up. He really was looking at most of those request back then.

Waluigi and Bowesr Jr. more popular than Rosalina? No fan favorites besides Villager and Mega Man got in (*cough* Little Mac *cough*)? You got some support for these statements because I don't think they hold up well to scrutiny. I can guarantee you that Nintendo has a better idea of which characters are more popular than other than you do. I also hope you realize that if you are arguing that only popularity should factor into which characters make the roster that Chrom has a better shot than like anybody else from FE:A right? You aren't helping you cause/arguement :P
 
oh god please be snake

They JUST had E3 they aren't going to announce Snake LOL

I do wonder if Nintendo is maybe going to start putting money into the pots of major Smash tournaments though. I feel like that's a thing they could do (though perhaps they wouldn't want Project M featured at a tournament they gave prize money to).
 
Waluigi and Bowesr Jr. more popular than Rosalina? No fan favorites besides Villager and Mega Man got in (*cough* Little Mac *cough*)? You got some support for these statements because I don't think they hold up well to scrutiny. I can guarantee you that Nintendo has a better idea of which characters are more popular than other than you do. I also hope you realize that if you are arguing that only popularity should factor into which characters make the roster that Chrom has a better shot than like anybody else from FE:A right? You aren't helping you cause/arguement :P

actually the most interesting thing i found about FE:A is that luciana, tharja and hell cordelia seems to be the most popular characters since they also have merchandise and is in a lot of promotional material. (Luciana is in the cover for both the art book and the cd) while i expect chrom to make the roster I am really hoping that luciana makes it instead and im excited to see how his/her moveset works
 
They JUST had E3 they aren't going to announce Snake LOL

I do wonder if Nintendo is maybe going to start putting money into the pots of major Smash tournaments though. I feel like that's a thing they could do (though perhaps they wouldn't want Project M featured at a tournament they gave prize money to).

If they just put one of those Smash medals as a prize I'd have to win for sure.
 
Honestly, I'm really disappointed in Palutena.

Her moveset seems so unfocused, especially with her customised moves being completely separate attacks.

Plus going from how expressive everyone was in their Uprising portraits to her barely moving her face and her model seems fairly low quality, reminds me of the characters barely changed from Brawl models like Fox rather than top quality models of the other newcomers.
Every character has 12 special moves from which to choose. I think any of them would seem "unfocused" if all of their moves were shown in their debut trailer, which is what happened with Palutena. We don't really know what kind of character Palutena is until we know her default move-set that will be usable in all modes, including against randoms online. That's the move-set that Sakurai will have given the most thought and balanced the most carefully.

As for her expressiveness, Palutena's handful of 3D appearances in Uprising were never as expressive as her portraits. Here, she has slight smiles and serene looks that give her an airy sense of calm. I like it, especially the contented look she has when she taps her cane and flashes her halo (one of her taunts, I think).
 
Ooh.

He comes across as really friendly and optimistic in there. Wish we had more of that attitude going around.

Loved the story behind his scarf, too.
His scarf has magical powers that ensures he always gets the Smash Ball

Not complaining, Zero Suit's Final Smash is AWESOME
 
E3 Carnage? I assumed all of these were "By E3" ... everyone's on their own to deal with it anyway... haha
[WIN If True] vs [WIN If False]: [Statement] || [Duration]
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PreyingShark [<< WIN] SliceSabre: Pichu not Playable || ?
Kyzon [WIN >>] Terrell: Ridley confirmed playable || 3DS release - Wii U Release
Reila [<< WIN] Troubled Bat: Palutena announced at E3 || 2wks [#6569/#6573]
SkullHydra [WIN >>] Troubled Bat : Ness Returns announced at E3 || 1wk [#6669/#6677]
SkullHydra [WIN >>] munchie64 : Ridley Playable announced at E3 || 1wk [#6669/#6757]
SkullHydra [<< WIN] ErrorMacro : Palutena Playable announced at E3 || 1wk [#6669/#6752]
SkullHydra [WIN >>] Troubled Bat : Cptn Falcon Returns announced at E3 || 1wk [#6669/#6759]
Hyperactivity [WIN >>] Troubled Bat : 2 new chars + 1 veteran, 1 3rd party char (may be one of 2+1), sword user || ? [#6774/#7401]
justchris [WIN >>] IntelliHeath: Prof. Layton representation in Smash in final game || 2wk [#6875/#6880]
SkullHydra [WIN >>] IntelliHeath: Ness Returns, Ridley Playable, Palutena Playable, Cptn Falcon Returns, Exclusive Wii U Mode (All 5) Announced at E3 || 2wk Skull loss, 3wks Intelli loss [#6669/#7039]
Reila [<< WIN] Troubled Bat: Chrom will not be announced in E3 || ? [#7421/#7426]
Brawl96 [WIN >>] Beelzebufo: No Newcomers shown/announced at E3 || ? [#7473/#7474]
SkullHydra [<< WIN] Feltrol: No new and playable FE character announced at E3 || ? [#7562/#7568]
Kjellson [WIN >>] theprodigy, IntelliHeath, Troubled Bat, Beelzebufo : Mallo (Pushmo) playable || 2wk each [#7948 / #7969]
Troubled Bat [WIN >>] IntelliHeath: Ganondorf with Completely (100%) New Moveset aannounced at E3 || ? [Chat]
Qurupeke [<< WIN] uncleniccius : 3+ newcomers at E3 || 2wk [#7573/#7576]
 
I know the scarf is a gift from his mom and all, but it really, really looks awkward when paired with the clothes he was wearing in the middle of summer.
 
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Pic of the day. This is quite a line-up of characters for the gaming world. I mean, it's amazing enough that Mario can fight Pikachu. I hope you enjoy this truly unique celebration!!
 
They JUST had E3 they aren't going to announce Snake LOL

I do wonder if Nintendo is maybe going to start putting money into the pots of major Smash tournaments though. I feel like that's a thing they could do (though perhaps they wouldn't want Project M featured at a tournament they gave prize money to).
I think this is the likeliest outcome for whatever he's hyping up. There is absolutely no way he knows anything more than anyone else when it comes to unrevealed Smash 4 news.
 
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