Poltergust
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Check out the recent Sheik video from VGBootCamp. 4:56.
Check out the recent Sheik video from VGBootCamp. 4:56.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
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BassForever
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With you being deaf I imagine the RH series is one you really can't play. Hopefully they won't be rhythm based in smash (or at least have icons on the screen like dk's final smash now) so you can play them
Yeah I'm starting to think the 3ds build was a bit farther along or something because I can't imagine that version of Bowser being close to terrible
Yeah thanks I see it now! Man those things move fast
PontyfaxJr
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Wow Bowser looks better every time I see him.
I really hope they are in the process of making that dash cancel a global thing.
Imagine Little Mac with that.
BassForever
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I think you're looking at this the wrong way, its just as likely they confirmed her before he had a chance to leak her. After all he leaked pac man before e3 2013 and he wasn't shown off until a year later, likewise he leaked x/y pokemon a day before the smash direct. Clearly the leaker has no idea when the characters will officially be revealed, but does have access either to internal documents/marketing material or access to builds of the game that have more characters in them then the ones we've seen at e3
I can do a bit of a write up about what all the characters are like and what potential they have in terms of combos if anyone wants, those VGBC videos are incredibly helpful.
If there's one good thing about this whole E3 ordeal, it's that we were able to get footage of just a person showing what each character can do without being thrown into a 4 player FFA with items for two minutes.
If there's one good thing about this whole E3 ordeal, it's that we were able to get footage of just a person showing what each character can do without being thrown into a 4 player FFA with items for two minutes.
Beelzebufo
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Yeah. The first leak was just original E3 plans, Rosalina was just revealed before he sgared the rest of the roster.
Bowser looking great. Not sure what was up that made DJN decide that Bowser was bottom tier in 4. He's looking at least mid-tier to me.
The real news is that my girl Sheik is looking fucking rad. I'm glad she looks like she's still got some serious tools. That bomb in particular looks insane.
OmegaSmash
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Please do! There's so much info I don't even know where to star looking for character impressions and such.
And regarding Bowser, did anyone test out if his shell has super armor? Because that would be insane(ly awesome) if true, specially since he can crawl.
Both these characters are looking very nice! Like seriously it would be great if sakurai can bring the rest of the cast up to this level
Great Scott! Toon Link's tether recovery is insane
PadWarrior
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Mario looks good in this game.
tirkaroKujo
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I really wish people would raise a bigger stink about this.
For some reason Sakurai comes off as having this ultra-conservative "think of the children!" mindset that doesn't even exist among Nintendo's other developers who make games for a clearly younger audience. The less said about Brawl's online, the better, but even the online options for SSB4 are still ridiculously gimped compared to games like Mario Kart, let alone other fighting games...
Kind of a shame as the Miis look like the new characters I'm most looking forward to, so this decision pretty much ensures the fact that I'll never be touching With Anyone.
It's why I hope there is some way to have closed community groups that act like "with friends" without necessarily having people on your friend list. But like you said, so far the online modes he has shown have been minimal.
Those are some insane nerfs to toonlink. No double bair, no short hop bow cancel. Animation still continues for bomb/arrow/boomerang upon landing. Down air doesn't bounce anymore, it just goes straight to the ground, no matter what, which means you can't use it off the stage anymore for any reason. His biggest buff seems to be his hookshot. Using it as an air attack seems to have hardly any punishment and using it as a throw has way less punishment than before. That and his tether is insane
We'll see, but I have a feeling toon link will no longer be my main.
This might potentially be unfair to brawl players or the game in general, but what I'm most hopeful about for smash 4 in terms of getting more movement options back again is player style.
In Brawl, there was so little you could do with each character and you had so little control with them that the players often used the exact same tactics for certain characters, because they just didn't have options, or the other options they had were objectively worse.
In melee you can tell the difference between M2K, Ken and KDJ's marth, you can tell whether it's Lord or Hax playing falcon simply because there wasn't always only one good option available at all times and I think this was just one of the reasons brawl was a bad spectator game compared to melee.
Now we've got faster movement and true combos back, we just need those extra options that allow players to really inject their style of play into a character.
In Brawl, there was so little you could do with each character and you had so little control with them that the players often used the exact same tactics for certain characters, because they just didn't have options, or the other options they had were objectively worse.
In melee you can tell the difference between M2K, Ken and KDJ's marth, you can tell whether it's Lord or Hax playing falcon simply because there wasn't always only one good option available at all times and I think this was just one of the reasons brawl was a bad spectator game compared to melee.
Now we've got faster movement and true combos back, we just need those extra options that allow players to really inject their style of play into a character.
I can't wait to try out Sheik, looks so awesome, watch the rest of the video. I'm gonna bring attention to the Master Ball: http://youtu.be/Clc5U2DKzsU?t=4m15s
So yea, the Master Ball is there and we haven't seen it before I believe. Has anyone seen the Master Ball ever in the Wii U version? I haven't seen it and have seen Arceus come out of a normal Poké Ball in the Wii U version footage.
I think this can be proof that the 3DS version is ahead in terms of development.
So yea, the Master Ball is there and we haven't seen it before I believe. Has anyone seen the Master Ball ever in the Wii U version? I haven't seen it and have seen Arceus come out of a normal Poké Ball in the Wii U version footage.
I think this can be proof that the 3DS version is ahead in terms of development.
It's in the invitational, let me try to find it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqaAs86xmU#t=892 Here, it summons moltres
Re: Items
Brawl was actually played with some items on at Evo 2008. A random 14 year old who'd never been to a tournament before beat Ken and was never really heard from again.
Edit: Turns out somebody already brought this up
Brawl was actually played with some items on at Evo 2008. A random 14 year old who'd never been to a tournament before beat Ken and was never really heard from again.
Edit: Turns out somebody already brought this up
Interesting.
There is also stuff like Peach missing (one of the first characters revealed after E3 2013), crunch time ahead!
Pic of the day. Here are some weapons the Mii Swordfighter can use: Shurikens of Light, Chakrams, and Gale Strikes. You can control the direction the Chakram is thrown, or even make it stall in midair. The Chakram is also the only one of these tied to the side special move, so you can use one of the other items consecutively with this one.
The more I see, the more I'm sure I don't want to play as a Mii character because reasons.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I predict that we will get some kind of moveset discussion or item tomorrow morning!
I called it!
It's in OP. I had Lists section for people to catching up.
I really like the update. I think I would go with Chakram or Gale Strikes.
I think my kids would enjoy the game more than I would have. I just want to learn more about this franchise.
I'm pretty sure that I saw master balls few times on Wii U version. I'm not sure but I think I saw it at tournament innovational or stream. (It could be youtube because I watched so many times that I don't remember)
It's a good thing the Mii artstyle lends itself so well to MOTHER characters, isn't it?
;_;
Does anyone ever argue that they completely negate skill? Realistically they just increase the size of the error bars.
NeonZ
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You can turn off the item containers in Brawl.
I watched the video. Kid's alright (dodged Marth's final smash) but the amount of items spawning next to him was a bit OTT
OmegaSmash
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The closest thing would be to ask of a Boss toggle that lets you get rid of Boss characters if you want.
We've yet to see bosses other than the Yellow Devil though, and I'm beginning to wnder if there actually are any others. Ridley showing up on Pyrosphere to spew flames or claw at someone falls more in line with a typical hazard, especially if he's just going to be airborne the whole time, and we haven't even seen the Dark Emperor do anything on Find Mii yet.
Maybe the Yellow Devil's the only actual boss?
Green Mamba
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Even if that were true the Yellow Devil should still be able to be turned off because he is way too frequent. Even if he's killed he comes right back just as fast.
balladofwindfishes
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It's in the invitational, let me try to find it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqaAs86xmU#t=892 Here, it summons moltres
looks like the beams of light that come out of it are different from the Pokeball, which is a nice touch (and something that happens in Pokemon)
I agree, since Wily Castle looked fun with the Crash Man platforms and it's stupid if you never get a chance to even use them.
You can do the same thing in Brawl. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say you watch/follow Melee a lot more closely than you do Brawl. That might have something to do with you being able to distinguish play styles between in the games.
InvincibleAgent
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Let's count the games they've been in, not counting SSB:
Lucas:
1? M3
Ike:
3? PoR, RD, A
Toon Link:
7? TWW, TWWHD, FS, FSA, MC, PH, ST
Falco:
6? SF, SF64, SF643D, SFAdv, SFAs, SFC
Wolf:
4? SF64, SF643D, SFAs, SFC
Now let's count the games those characters will likely appear in, in the future, not counting SSB:
Lucas:
0 (Series creator says series is over)
Ike:
1 (Seen in Shin-Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem trailer)
Toon Link:
Several (Very popular series)
Falco and Wolf:
A few at least (Quite popular series)
Seems fair to me.
6, Four Swords and FSA. Both of Tingle's games use a similar art style as well, but that probably doesn't count.
Either way Toon Link is the most recurring Link design at this point, even with only one true outing.
InvincibleAgent
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Yeah I went back and thought about it and I count 7 if you include TWWHD.
Anyway, Krystal has been playable in more games than Lucas, SF Adventures and Command
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
For your information, Ike is in FE:A
Also I think Ike were shown at FE x SMT trailer.
Also I think Ike were shown at FE x SMT trailer.
InvincibleAgent
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Oh neat.
So this just came to me, and I can't find any posts via searching asking about it, so lemme ask: Do you think the customized move sets will give Mega Man more Robot Master powers? And if so, what do you see being the other options?
My predictions:
Neutral: Metal Blade/Ring Boomerang/Gyro Attack
Up: Rush Coil/Item-1/Wire
Side: Crash Bomber/Drill Bomb/Napalm Bomb
Down: Leaf Shield/Junk Shield/Star Crash
My predictions:
Neutral: Metal Blade/Ring Boomerang/Gyro Attack
Up: Rush Coil/Item-1/Wire
Side: Crash Bomber/Drill Bomb/Napalm Bomb
Down: Leaf Shield/Junk Shield/Star Crash
You don't know about SMTxFE?? :O
Where have you been early last year?
the game has been MIA since last year but its officially been announced to still be in development
InvincibleAgent
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One trailer and it's been quiet for a year? Well that would explain that.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Terrible with items or not caring to use them? Understand that these competitive players who went in to play this game are testing multiple aspects of it, not just to play the game. Remember, the demos were only 2 minutes long and the same applies even for stock matches.
Posts like these are just as cancerous as the ones that say Brawl fanboys are shit.
Seriously, the ignorance of competitive Smash from the eyes of a "casual" is quite disappointing. Not everyone who wants to the next Smash to be a legitimate contender to 64/Melee is a piece of crap elitist, just like not everyone who loves Brawl hates the competitive scene. People are crazy man..
Karsticles
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Every FE character is technically in FE:A if you want to go that route...
Bowser looks much better but I'll stick with my Charizard
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Really? Last time I heard that there are good amount of DLC characters that are playable in FE:A
Roy, Ike, Marth, Leaf, etc.
Ike having an alleged descendant with a map dedicated to him in the main game also gave him a little more acknowledgment compared to the Outrealm-only characters.
Karsticles
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Right, and I was agreeing with you. As far as I know, every FE character ever is in FE:A. It's not really an argument for Ike, then.
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