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[BronsonLee]

Pretty much. I bear no ill will toward Lebron.

That's 2 rings the Knicks didn't win, and I really want to see a Knicks championship before I die.

The Spurs just came with a more prepared team is all. They both deservedly belonged in the Finals.

Exactly. I think it's silly to bag on the guy, for a litany of reasons.

Who me?

What did I do? :O

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID MOFUCKA

I saw the postgame. That's not him taking blame for the loss, that's just him saying that maybe he could've played better. As a matter of fact, he actually said "i'm not disappointed in my teammates", as if he should've been. He let Wade take a beating in that conference as he was sitting right next to him.

Very often when a team suffers a devastating loss, their star player emphatically says "THIS IS ON ME." LeBron hasn't done that. He won't even say that he wants to return next season.

The fuck? He's letting Wade answer his own fucking questions. Wade don't need no help with that.

Lebron gave pretty much everything he could and it wasn't enough. It absolutely wasn't on him.

 

[TTG]

Kevin Durant Believes Kawhi Leonard Is Product of Spurs System

I'll take it one step further, the reason Kawhi won finals MVP is because Lebron was on Parker a majority of the time. I know Popovich has anointed and named him to be the future of the Spurs, but let's not get carried away, he's not the first or second best player on that team.

 

[BadAss2961]

Are you serious? literally every game comes back to how lebron did. Then after they ran out of talk of that then they talk up the other teammates. The media talk for the Heat literally starts and ends at Lebron

The fuck? He's letting Wade answer his own fucking questions. Wade don't need no help with that.

Lebron gave pretty much everything he could and it wasn't enough. It absolutely wasn't on him.

Have you been listening to the questions they've been asking him? They're all based around how well he did and how he didn't have enough help. He does nothing to change that. NOTHING. Not even a good word for the man sitting right next to him that help him get 2 championships.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID MOFUCKA

But I haven't even posted in THIS thread...

<bats eyes innocently>

 

[Trey]

I'll take it one step further, the reason Kawhi won finals MVP is because Lebron was on Parker a majority of the time. I know Popovich has anointed and named him to be the future of the Spurs, but let's not get carried away, he's not the first or second best player on that team.

He was the best player on the Spurs this series.

Lebron gave pretty much everything he could and it wasn't enough. It absolutely wasn't on him.

His best wasn't enough. It's on him. He knows as much. "I have to be better." Agreed LeBron, if you have to play a team like the 2014 Spurs again. The rest of your team will need to be extremely on point, too.

 

[PBY]

Have you been listening to the questions they've been asking him? They're all based around how well he did and how he didn't have enough help. He does nothing to change that. NOTHING. Not even a good word for the man sitting right next to him that help him get 2 championships.

He can't help the questions asked to him.

And the reason he gets asked that is well- because it's the fucking truth lol. C'mon

 

[BronsonLee]

Have you been listening to the questions they've been asking him? They're all based around how well he did and how he didn't have enough help. He does nothing to change that. NOTHING. Not even a good word for the man sitting right next to him that help him get 2 championships.

Do you expect him to cut a new new new new new wade order promo or some shit?

Because I expect him to say as little as possible and get out of there as quickly as he can because THEY DIDN'T WIN.

And for fuck's sake, let's put all the cards on the table: The Spurs were easily the more complete team here. Their bench was RIDICULOUS. Especially compared to the Heat's. If he says anything it'll just be considered lip service.

But I haven't even posted in THIS thread...

<bats eyes innocently>

*eyepoke*

His best wasn't enough. It's on him. He knows as much. "I have to be better." Agreed LeBron, if you have to play a team like the 2014 Spurs again. The rest of your team will need to be extremely on point, too.

Oh come on now. If Lebron's dropping like 30 a game and that's not enough, that's really unfair to ask for more, even from the best player in the world. He's not the problem. The lack of heatbench.jpg is.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

He can't help the questions asked to him.

And the reason he gets asked that is well- because it's the fucking truth lol. C'mon

I think we need to leave BadAss2961 alone. He listens to all of lebron's post game press conferences and is also his best friend. As his best friend, BadAss2961 told me earlier that lebron doesn't accept the blame for anything and that wade needs help.

Does he do anything different than any other athlete does when they lose? Did Tim Duncan do a better job of taking the loss? No other NBA player gets their post game comments or fucking body language psycho analyzed like this (except maybe Kobe about 10 years ago) People are just picking and choosing to fit their preconceived narrative now. LeBron could announce tomorrow that he's donating his entire salary next year to cancer research and you guys would find something to bitch about.

He only donates to east coast cancer research. He's a punk and he's scared of west coast cancer.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I saw the postgame. That's not him taking blame for the loss, that's just him saying that maybe he could've played better. As a matter of fact, he actually said "i'm not disappointed in my teammates", as if he should've been. He let Wade take a beating in that conference as he was sitting right next to him.

Very often when a team suffers a devastating loss, their star player emphatically says "THIS IS ON ME." LeBron hasn't done that. He won't even say that he wants to return next season.

Does he do anything different than any other athlete does when they lose? Did Tim Duncan do a better job of taking the loss? No other NBA player gets their post game comments or fucking body language psycho analyzed like this (except maybe Kobe about 10 years ago) People are just picking and choosing to fit their preconceived narrative now. LeBron could announce tomorrow that he's donating his entire salary next year to cancer research and you guys would find something to bitch about.

 

[Siegcram]

Have you been listening to the questions they've been asking him? They're all based around how well he did and how he didn't have enough help. He does nothing to change that. NOTHING. Not even a good word for the man sitting right next to him that help him get 2 championships.

Why do you follow someone this closely that you seem to hate pathologically?
That can't be healthy.

 

[RockTurtle]

Have you been listening to the questions they've been asking him? They're all based around how well he did and how he didn't have enough help. He does nothing to change that. NOTHING. Not even a good word for the man sitting right next to him that help him get 2 championships.

man that is some straight existential ether

 

[BadAss2961]

Does he do anything different than any other athlete does when they lose? Did Tim Duncan do a better job of taking the loss? No other NBA player gets their post game comments or fucking body language psycho analyzed like this (except maybe Kobe about 10 years ago) People are just picking and choosing to fit their preconceived narrative now. LeBron could announce tomorrow that he's donating his entire salary next year to cancer research and you guys would find something to bitch about.

Well, Duncan was devastated and immediately announced his return for next season. Spurs knew they'd blown it, and I remember him taking it the hardest.

LeBron is like ehhh.... Dude is ready to walk if Miami doesn't get hooked up in free agency, and Heat fans are too busy defending him to see it.

 

[Squalor]

Must make KD pretty damn sad the Thunder have no system whatsoever.

They do so have an offensive system. It's called "septic."

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Well, Duncan was devastated and immediately announced his return for next season. Spurs knew they'd blown it, and I remember him taking it the hardest.

LeBron is like ehhh.... Dude is ready to walk if Miami doesn't get hooked up in free agency, and Heat fans are too busy defending him to see it.

So what? Maybe he doesn't know what he wants to do. Duncan knew he wanted to return to SA. LeBron is a FA he has the right to make that decision. If he's no thinking about it right this very moment or hasn't decided, why the fuck is that something to rip hi for? If you said he was coming back and then changed his mind decided to leave, you guys would rip him for it. If he said right there that he was opting out and leaving Miami, you guys would rip him for it. There is literally nothing he could have said at that moment that wouldn't have led to some dumb, irrational hatred from the peanut gallery.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Does he do anything different than any other athlete does when they lose? Did Tim Duncan do a better job of taking the loss? No other NBA player gets their post game comments or fucking body language psycho analyzed like this (except maybe Kobe about 10 years ago) People are just picking and choosing to fit their preconceived narrative now. LeBron could announce tomorrow that he's donating his entire salary next year to cancer research and you guys would find something to bitch about.

Lebron, Melo, Kobe, and every single NBA star is deserving of any and all criticism they will endure as the face of their respective franchise. That's what they get those big paychecks for: to be lauded when they win and criticized when they lose.

Maybe Lebron might be facing it moreso because the NBA has decided to make him their overall star, but he should know how to handle criticism at a high level.

 

[BadAss2961]

man that is some straight existential ether

Wade was sitting there looking like a sucker. I felt bad for him. lol

 

[Siegcram]

Lebron, Melo, Kobe, and every single NBA star is deserving of any and all criticism they will endure as the face of their respective franchise. That's what they get those big paychecks for: to be lauded when they win and criticized when they lose.

Maybe Lebron might be facing it moreso because the NBA has decided to make him their overall star, but he should know how to handle criticism at a high level.

He does. Yet some people still bitch about it.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Lebron, Melo, Kobe, and every single NBA star is deserving of any and all criticism they will endure as the face of their respective franchise. That's what they get those big paychecks for: to be lauded when they win and criticized when they lose.

Maybe Lebron might be facing it moreso because the NBA has decided to make him their overall star, but he should know how to handle criticism at a high level.

Criticism is fine if it's based in reality. Criticizing a guy because of the way he's sitting on the bench or because he says he's no thinking about his free agency situation right now immediately after a loss (which is the generic thing 99% of athletes facing free agency do when their teams win/lose) is not based in reality.

 

[agrajag]

Well, Duncan was devastated and immediately announced his return for next season. Spurs knew they'd blown it, and I remember him taking it the hardest.

LeBron is like ehhh.... Dude is ready to walk if Miami doesn't get hooked up in free agency, and Heat fans are too busy defending him to see it.

I will not hold it against him if he walks. He gave us four great years at the top.

 

[BadAss2961]

So what? Maybe he doesn't know what he wants to do. Duncan knew he wanted to return to SA. LeBron is a FA he has the right to make that decision. If he's no thinking about it right this very moment or hasn't decided, why the fuck is that something to rip hi for? If you said he was coming back and then changed his mind decided to leave, you guys would rip him for it. If he said right there that he was opting out and leaving Miami, you guys would rip him for it. There is literally nothing he could have said at that moment that wouldn't have led to some dumb, irrational hatred from the peanut gallery.

Some of you are too used to having to defend him. It's to the point now that any attack on him is blown out of proportion.

I'm not saying he's the worst person ever, it's just that he lets his teammates take the blame. Always has.

 

[theWB27]

Wade was sitting there looking like a sucker. I felt bad for him. lol

Wade is a grown ass man and won a championship BEFORE lebron got there. Might be a HOF himself....dafuq does he need Lebron to stand for him for?

Wade isn't some fringe star riding someone else's jock.

 

[IrishNinja]

Does he do anything different than any other athlete does when they lose? Did Tim Duncan do a better job of taking the loss? No other NBA player gets their post game comments or fucking body language psycho analyzed like this (except maybe Kobe about 10 years ago) People are just picking and choosing to fit their preconceived narrative now. LeBron could announce tomorrow that he's donating his entire salary next year to cancer research and you guys would find something to bitch about.

So what? Maybe he doesn't know what he wants to do. Duncan knew he wanted to return to SA. LeBron is a FA he has the right to make that decision. If he's no thinking about it right this very moment or hasn't decided, why the fuck is that something to rip hi for? If you said he was coming back and then changed his mind decided to leave, you guys would rip him for it. If he said right there that he was opting out and leaving Miami, you guys would rip him for it. There is literally nothing he could have said at that moment that wouldn't have led to some dumb, irrational hatred from the peanut gallery.

8 pages in, and finally an excellent thread summary arrives

I will not hold it against him if he walks. He gave us four great years at the top.

also this

 

[yuraya]

Lebron is only 29 years old. Hes probably got another 10 healthy years left in the league to win more rings and mvps. Way too early to judge him.

 

[PBY]

Some of you are too used to having to defend him. It's to the point now that any attack on him is blown out of proportion.

I'm not saying he's the worst person ever, just that lets his teammates take the blame. Always has.

I actually don't feel the need to defend him anymore tbh cuz your arguments are the kind of stuff skip bayless thinks of 5 minutes before goin on air.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Ninja, tell me this:

Why does LeBron get a pass for quitting in an elimination game in the Finals but Kobe got killed for quitting in Game 7 of the quarter Finals?

Quitting for lack of help is quitting, right?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Some of you are too used to having to defend him. It's to the point now that any attack on him is blown out of proportion.

I'm not saying he's the worst person ever, it's just that he lets his teammates take the blame. Always has.

There is a quote a few posts back from the post game where he (the only guy on the team that played worth a shit) says HE needs to do more. He doesn't say Wade needs to do more. He doesn't say Chalmers is trash. He only talks about himself and being able to elevate his play to elevate his team. What more do you want? Do you want him to say "Everyone else played great but I suck it's all my fault"? Anything he says short of that you are just going to spin Fox News style to fit your story. His answers and press conferences are actually really generic. He gives the same kind of fairly standard non-answers and cliches that most guys do.

Ninja, tell me this:

Why does LeBron get a pass for quitting in an elimination game in the Finals but Kobe got killed for quitting in Game 7 of the quarter Finals?

Quitting for lack of help is quitting, right?

I don't think Kobe quit so you are asking the wrong guy. I've said before many times that it's the same kind of bullshit criticism that was leveled at Kobe for much of his career, probably the same people too. "Oh look at the way he chews gum! What a MJ wannabe! What a poser!"

 

[BruiserBear]

I despise conversations that revolve around a single player who is part of a team.

Lebron didn't fail to 3-peat. The Miami Heat did.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Prime for prime Kobe gasol daaawight and Nash doe?

Nash was a 150 years old, Dwight had his back broken & was recuperating, Gasol was proven to be a fraud without Bynum to back him up.
Kobe was the only one that willed the Lakers into the Playoffs. All that with a rupture Achilles tendon.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Criticism is fine if it's based in reality. Criticizing a guy because of the way he's sitting on the bench or because he says he's no thinking about his free agency situation right now immediately after a loss (which is the generic thing 99% of athletes facing free agency do when their teams win/lose) is not based in reality.

The talking heads will talk. That's what they're paid to do.

It still shouldn't bother Lebron any more. It's not like they played their way to an NBA Finals 3 years in a row.

Skip and Stephen A. Smith can't hold any single player's jock.

(Maybe just for Kwame Brown)

He does. Yet some people still bitch about it.

So? It's all opinion and hyperbole.

The only thing that matters is who wins and who loses.

Right now, Lebron played like Lebron and as El Capitan he has to answer for the shortcomings of his teammates.

 

[BadAss2961]

I actually don't feel the need to defend him anymore tbh cuz your arguments are the kind of stuff skip bayless thinks of 5 minutes before goin on air.

Having read a lot of this thread, you've been defending him nonstop since the loss. Probably since after game 4 even.

Ninja, tell me this:

Why does LeBron get a pass for quitting in an elimination game in the Finals but Kobe got killed for quitting in Game 7 of the quarter Finals?

Quitting for lack of help is quitting, right?

I don't get how no one asked him about sitting in the last 6 minutes of the game. Was that Spo or LeBron that made that call?

 

[PBY]

Nash was a 150 years old, Dwight had his back broken & was recuperating, Gasol was proven to be a fraud without Bynum to back him up.
Kobe was the only one that willed the Lakers into the Playoffs. All that with a rupture Achilles tendon.

That's my point bruh.

Names don't matter if they don't produce.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

Some of you are too used to having to defend him. It's to the point now that any attack on him is blown out of proportion.

I'm not saying he's the worst person ever, it's just that he lets his teammates take the blame. Always has.

Could you post some examples of that for me, because this is the worst thing I could find:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-vs-san-antonio-spurs-game-5-finals/10568473/

"Not disappointed in any of my teammates, just wish we could have come through, played a better series," James said.

To me, that reads like he is accepting blame as much as anyone else. and who can argue that he's wrong after seeing those 3 straight blowouts?

 

[Trey]

Oh come on now. If Lebron's dropping like 30 a game and that's not enough, that's really unfair to ask for more, even from the best player in the world. He's not the problem. The lack of heatbench.jpg is.

I don't think it's unfair at all. It's a team game, and if the rest of your squad falls short, you have to compensate. If you don't, you all lose, and you all share the blame.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Could you post some examples of that for me, because this is the worst thing I could find:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-vs-san-antonio-spurs-game-5-finals/10568473/



To me, that reads like he is accepting blame as much as anyone else. and who can argue that he's wrong after seeing those 3 straight blowouts?

Literally Tim Duncan could have said that exact same thing after last year's Finals and nobody would have even noticed. It's fairly cookie cutter athlete "fuck we just lost" speak, yet somehow for LeBron it's just not enough. People just gonna hate for the sake of hating.

 

[PBY]

I don't think it's unfair at all. It's a team game, and if the rest of your squad falls short, you have to compensate. If you don't, you all lose, and you all share the blame.

Of course he deserves blame. But I ask u- statistically- what more could he realistically have done?

Spurs were god tier.

 

[BadAss2961]

Could you post some examples of that for me, because this is the worst thing I could find:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-vs-san-antonio-spurs-game-5-finals/10568473/



To me, that reads like he is accepting blame as much as anyone else. and who can argue that he's wrong after seeing those 3 straight blowouts?

Do you expect him to talk about how trash his guys are? He's not an idiot... But wait, he has actually kind of done it before. Remember when he played into the Cleveland Heat narrative?

Like I said before, taking full responsibility for the loss goes along way. It's something that many leaders have done in these situations. But not him.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I don't think Kobe quit so you are asking the wrong guy. I've said before many times that it's the same kind of bullshit criticism that was leveled at Kobe for much of his career, probably the same people too. "Oh look at the way he chews gum! What a MJ wannabe! What a poser!"

I am a Laker fan like you and years later, I think he quit that game. Dude put up 22 in the first half and the Lakers were still down 15 @ halftime. I don't like that he quit (it was childish) but he just passed in the second half, taking only 2 shots, iirc. Kobe quit being aggressive and got murdered for it. LeBron quits literally (checks out the game and watches from the bench) and he gets a pass (from the media, not speaking for you).

I don't get how no one asked him about sitting in the last 6 minutes of the game. Was that Spo or LeBron that made that call?

For me that was the worst part about it. In an elimination game, you sit after missing a 3 pointer. You drop your shoulders, don't bother getting back on D and then you sit from the 6 minute mark till the end of the game.

If you lose, you lose but it was not a good look to be out of the game for half of the 4th quarter.

As the face of the franchise, you gotta be out there, playing till the end, imo. Sitting was inexcusable and if I was a Heat fan, I would have been very disappointed seeing my team leader go out like that.

 

[PBY]

Do you expect him to talk about how trash his guys are? He's not an idiot... But wait, he has actually kind of done it before. Remember when he played into the Cleveland Heat narrative?

Like I said before, taking full responsibility for the loss goes along way. It's something that many leaders have done in these situations. But not him.

Lmao. Keep going doe

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Literally Tim Duncan could have said that exact same thing after last year's Finals and nobody would have even noticed. It's fairly cookie cutter athlete "fuck we just lost" speak, yet somehow for LeBron it's just not enough. People just gonna hate for the sake of hating.

Can't take your posts seriously after strolling down memory lane:

FUCK THE SPURS!! LET ME STAN FOR MY BOY BRON. AN ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND!!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Can't take your posts seriously after strolling down memory lane:

FUCK THE SPURS!! LET ME STAN FOR MY BOY BRON. AN ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND!!

OH YOU GOT ME! It's not like I was openly proclaiming that I was rooting for SA to lose in this very thread or anything. I haven't exactly made it a secret that I will root for anyone other than the Spurs short of Boston. They are on the same level to me as a Laker fan. Not sure what your point is.

 

[PBY]

Having read a lot of this thread, you've been defending him nonstop since the loss. Probably since after game 4 even.

I don't get how no one asked him about sitting in the last 6 minutes of the game. Was that Spo or LeBron that made that call?

I really don't think I Stan lebron at all. Really- you can criticize him for a bunch of things this year. Defensive efficiency for example. I just have a huge pet peeve for pukey cliche sports takes not grounded in any sort of reality or statistical basis. It's the first take effect.

 

[BronsonLee]

I don't think it's unfair at all. It's a team game, and if the rest of your squad falls short, you have to compensate. If you don't, you all lose, and you all share the blame.

Of course he deserves blame. But I ask u- statistically- what more could he realistically have done?

Spurs were god tier.

Peter pretty much answered it for me. Of course he deserves blame, but there were plenty of times where he was keeping them in it, especially in Game 2 when he had that RIDICULOUS run in the 3rd.

Can't take your posts seriously after strolling down memory lane:

FUCK THE SPURS!! LET ME STAN FOR MY BOY BRON. AN ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND!!

...Holy fuck I'm sorry this is hilarious, even if it's got nothing to do with the actual topic at hand

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Do you really believe this? You believe top athletes are less athletic than their counterparts two decades earlier? You may argue that Jordan's competitors were closer in skill level to him than today's competitors are to Lebron, but comparing eras 20 years apart? No contest. The level of athleticism, size, and depth on today's NBA rosters is on another level. It's not a knock on Jordan. IT's just the nature of human advancement in sports.

If today's NBA players played in Jordan's era...

They would be carted off in a stretcher.

 

[Trey]

Of course he deserves blame. But I ask u- statistically- what more could he realistically have done?

Spurs were god tier.

Oh, nothing. There was nothing he could have done. I said a few pages ago LeBron could have been on any super team he wanted and would have still caught that fade from the Spurs. They were on one, for real.

And those numbers he put up don't really move me. A lot of those buckets were during a time when the Spurs were hilariously ahead. And those same buckets did nothing to swing the pendulum because the Spurs matched him, and eventually snuffed out his spark. On a fundamental level, the Spurs were a better team. They unraveled the Miami Heat from the inside out and left them out in the sun to shrivel up. Complete domination of LeBron's team.

And all that goes on LeBron's "legacy transcript." It's a part of his history, especially since he's in top 3-5 discussions already. So "he needs more help" and "LeBron should have played better" are of the same value to me. The 2014 Miami Heat were a good team going up against a great team. All that LeBron can really do now is find another gear and reload with the team he'll more than likely be leading into his twilight years.

I personally don't care much for the body language arguments - never did. And I agree with LeBron's main takeaway from the series.

But in the end, we all agree this falls on LeBron shoulders in some ways, which is the main point I'm trying to establish.

 

[BadAss2961]

For me that was the worst part about it. In an elimination game, you sit after missing a 3 pointer. You drop your shoulders, don't bother getting back on D and then you sit from the 6 minute mark till the end of the game.

If you lose, you lose but it was not a good look to be out of the game for half of the 4th quarter.

As the face of the franchise, you gotta be out there, playing till the end, imo. Sitting was inexcusable and if I was a Heat fan, I would have been very disappointed seeing my team leader go out like that.

Exactly.

Maybe in the last 2 or 3 minutes I could see it. But to do that with 6 minutes left in an elimination game where there was still an outside shot at a comeback was pathetic.

 

[PBY]

Ryutaro pls look what you're doing

 

[BronsonLee]

Ryutaro pls look what you're doing

Yo we have to stop him before it's too late!
*loads shotgun*

 

[Siegcram]

If today's NBA players played in Jordan's era...

They would be carted off in a stretcher.

And what has this shit to do with basketball?
Seriously, I'm amazed with that constant yearning for the return of an era where players purposefully try to injure each other.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I am a Laker fan like you and years later, I think he quit that game. Dude put up 22 in the first half and the Lakers were still down 15 @ halftime. I don't like that he quit (it was childish) but he just passed in the second half, taking only 2 shots, iirc. Kobe quit being aggressive and got murdered for it. LeBron quits literally (checks out the game and watches from the bench) and he gets a pass (from the media, not speaking for you).



For me that was the worst part about it. In an elimination game, you sit after missing a 3 pointer. You drop your shoulders, don't bother getting back on D and then you sit from the 6 minute mark till the end of the game.

If you lose, you lose but it was not a good look to be out of the game for half of the 4th quarter.

As the face of the franchise, you gotta be out there, playing till the end, imo. Sitting was inexcusable and if I was a Heat fan, I would have been very disappointed seeing my team leader go out like that.

You are holding him against these preconceived ideas without asking yourself why? It's all a bunch of meathead/jock talk to me that you get from the guys that cover the NFL for ESPN and call players "gritty". "You gotta stay in there in the last 6 minutes of a blowout...at least wait untl the last 3 minutes or something". That's just what you gotta do. WHY? Why does it matter? In the grand scheme of things it really won't. That Kobe quit (if you want to call it that) in 2006 affected exactly what? Did he get kicked out the league? Were his teammates and coaches so disgusted with him that they refused to play with him again? Did he never compete and win another title? I just don't understand the logic of getting hung up on things like that. It's some "unwritten rules" in baseball type of shit.

 

[vas_a_morir]

This data only goes to 2007, but size has been consistent since at least 1985. So empirically, they are not "on another level".

.

Hard to say from this. The game has changed so much. I would be shocked if the average size of shooting and point guards isn't significantly taller/heavier.

What I would like to see is 'average size of starting five' over the course of 20 years.

But, you make a good point that there is little parity. Teams are super stacked and half the league isn't even competitive. Although, I don't think that is a new thing in the NBA. They say, you want to be 'really bad or really good' in the NBA. You don't want to be mediocre. One player can change a team for a decade. Imagine how goofy the NBA would be if there wasn't the lottery.