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It sure would've been!



who on earth is typing disparaging comments about this game


It is known as the Zelda cycle. Each new entry to the Zelda series is the worst installment until the next Zelda game comes, becomes the most despise, and the previous hated Zelda game is looked upon more positively and praised for its strengths.

MM is a fan favorite now, but I remember how fans called it OOT rehash with a 3-day gimmick and too dark of storyline. WW, the infamous Celda fallout, need I say more. TP was hammered for being too much like OOT despite improving on a lot of OOT's flaws, was called not as imaginative as MM (the one which was originally called the OOT rehash) and, was called dull and not pretty like WW (which was despised for its cartoon look). And then SS came and people complained about why it was not realistic like TP. There was also the motion controls, which opened another big can of worms. That is not even getting into the DS and Capcom games.

Granted, these are not the same people, but the only Zelda games you can like without getting pitchforks sought on you are Zelda 1, ALTTP, and OOT. The most universally disliked Zelda game is Zelda II. Everything else breaks the fan base into pieces. Part of it being that people have different ideas about what makes a good Zelda game and what should be the primary focus; dungeons, combat, exploration, story, or art style.

I am waiting to see with this new Smash if we are going to get a Smash cycle.
 
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It is known as the Zelda cycle. Each new entry to the Zelda series is the worst installment until the next Zelda game comes, becomes the most despise, and the previous hated Zelda game is looked upon more positively and praised for its strengths.

you don't say.

welp I guess I'll get over my crazy nonsensical hatred of SS in like the next year or so
 
Heh, well I'm glad you guys appreciated the cake analogy. I figured that instead of starting Melee vs Brawl again in the same old way, I'd go for something a bit more unique.
 
I am waiting to see with this new Smash if we are going to get a Smash cycle.
I could see a Smash cycle.

Smash announced, fans hope that it's closer to Melee, and that it has Ridley and Mewtwo -> ridiculous volumes of fan speculation -> find out the game isn't Melee, minor outrage -> find out the leaked roster, outrage -> enjoy the game for a couple of years -> (back to start of cycle)
 
This has probably already been talked about, but I want to discuss about it:

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On the one hand, it's sweet that Link is getting a pallet swap that is based off of his Skyward Sword villager outfit, but I'm curious to know what they are going to give Link as his alt. costume for this game. Any suggestions?
 
This has probably already been talked about, but I want to discuss about it:

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On the one hand, it's sweet that Link is getting a pallet swap that is based off of his Skyward Sword villager outfit, but I'm curious to know what they are going to give Link as his alt. costume for this game. Any suggestions?

Everyone may not get alt costumes.
 
I've said it before: Fierce Deity Link is the single best possible alternate costume for Link.

I can easily see Toon Link getting his Outset Island clothes for his costume, complete with the Hero's Sword & Mirror Shield. For Samus, it has to be the Light Suit from Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.
 
If Link had to get an alt costume (and I don't think he will), I'd guess it'd be his Zora or Magic armor from TP. They're both pretty close to his basic tunic model which probably wouldn't be much work since the animations could be ported over with little effort... I imagine.

Other than that... his Ordon civilian wear, maybe?
 
I'm still crossing my fingers for the Fusion Suit as a true alternate costume for Samus, but since the Fusion colors were already shown as a regular palette in the E3 demo it's terribly unlikely now...

Which is a shame. The Fusion Suit is badass and already comes with a set of palettes.
Really, though, any alt costume for Samus would be appreciated so I can use it and pretend that her main design isn't from Other M.
 
I run in to this phenomenon too, and it drives me crazy. My opinions don't really line up with yours, but just the general idea of what you're talking about, I mean.

It's like, I love this game, you love this game. But you love it a little too much for me, and you aren't paying attention to how much better the other entry in that series is. All of the sudden I'm annoyed and in disagreement with someone, even though we're both excited about the same games/series. It's dumb, and I wish I didn't do it.

Years ago, I had a friend who loved Metroid Fusion, and one who loved Wind Waker. I think both of those games are amazing, but clearly and deeply inferior to Super Metroid and a Link to the Past. Same for me with people who like Brawl or PM more than Melee (aside from people within the Smash community, where I've always run into a lot of camaraderie).

I generally try not to voice it in the first place, but it really bothers me that I get annoyed at all over other people not liking things the right amount. It's completely silly.


I do not mind people loving a game to death. I like LTTP too, so many fond memories, but it is not my favorite Zelda game. That goes to SS which I adore flaws and all. Although, I separated the 2D Zelda games from the 3D games because although they are the same series they feel different, so of the 2D Zelda games LTTP beats them all with Seasons/Ages getting honorable mentions.

But I do hate on people who think SS is trash and LTTP is the best game ever. That is their opinion. What I hate when people pushed their opinion as fact and say with absolution that SS is the worst Zelda game ever and LTTP is this darling with no flaws. That is the same problem I have with people and OOT. I love the game, but people treat it like it is the gold standard of all of gaming and all Zelda games sucks because they are not as godly as OOT.

I am not a Metroid fan, but I played Super Metroid and I found it alright. Not on my list of greatest game ever, although I do not begrudge people who think that it is. I personally had more fun playing the Prime series and my brother played all the Metroid games and liked Corruption (he loved the motion controls and the planet hopping) the best and did enjoy Other M. I liked it too and didn't know it was so hated until I came on the boards.
 
I can easily see Toon Link getting his Outset Island clothes for his costume, complete with the Hero's Sword & Mirror Shield. For Samus, it has to be the Light Suit from Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.
If there's a Light Suit alt, she should get a new move where she stabs people with her knees.

But to be honest I don't know if I'd want an alt for Samus, really. Her suits aren't that visually different; they could be represented just fine with palette swaps.
 
If I had to go with the Smash Cake analogies, I'd say that Melee cake was served to less people, but tasted superbly; whereas Brawl cake was notoriously larger, more people ate from it, and albeit it was still good, it wasn't as great as the other smaller, but tastier cake, which had a better balance of ingredients all around.

...You guys are making me hungry.
 
Melee was like a wedding cake in that it was absolutely amazing and polished to a spit-shine, enjoyable by everyone and adored by many. A lot of effort was clearly put into that cake, and it was made by a master.

Brawl was like a semi-fancy cake you buy at the store. Still tasty, but clearly with less effort put into it. It wouldn't be enjoyed all that much by a cake connoisseur, but the general public would still like it a lot.

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Brawl is full of Prime
I guess that's kinda true, in terms of what representation Metroid got, though I still wish they had picked a better stage. Echoes got squat, though.
 
If I had to go with the Smash Cake analogies, I'd say that Melee cake was served to less people, but tasted superbly; whereas Brawl cake was notoriously larger, more people ate from it, and albeit it was still good, it wasn't as great as the other smaller, but tastier cake, which had a better balance of ingredients all around.

...You guys are making me hungry.


I find this ironic. I remembered during the time of the Dojo about how fans worried about Brawl being a Melee 2.0. People back then had no problem listing all the flaws Melee had, even compared to the original Smash, and why they did not want another Melee with a bigger roster and online. They say it would be lazy and selling out.

Brawl comes and now people complained about why Brawl wasn't Melee 2.0. Well, you can't please everyone. *shrug*
 
That thread reminds me, I'm disappointed they didn't change up final smashes too much. They aren't really fun to play with, even for super moves. I like the smash ball mechanic, it's the final smashes themselves that were the problem.

It sucks that some characters are sharing final smashes again, that's some bullshit.
 
Melee was like a wedding cake in that it was absolutely amazing and polished to a spit-shine, enjoyable by everyone and adored by many. A lot of effort was clearly put into that cake, and it was made by a master.

Brawl was like a semi-fancy cake you buy at the store. Still tasty, but clearly with less effort put into it. It wouldn't be enjoyed all that much by a cake connoisseur, but the general public would still like it a lot.


I guess that's kinda true, in terms of what representation Metroid got, though I still wish they had picked a better stage. Echoes got squat, though.
There was clearly more effort but into Brawl. Melee has Dr Mario lol. And this is coming from a Melee fan.
 
Melee was like a wedding cake in that it was absolutely amazing and polished to a spit-shine, enjoyable by everyone and adored by many. A lot of effort was clearly put into that cake, and it was made by a master.

Brawl was like a semi-fancy cake you buy at the store. Still tasty, but clearly with less effort put into it. It wouldn't be enjoyed all that much by a cake connoisseur, but the general public would still like it a lot.


I guess that's kinda true, in terms of what representation Metroid got, though I still wish they had picked a better stage. Echoes got squat, though.


Saying that less effort went into Brawl compared to Melee is laughable. Brawl had a lot of love, time, and care put into it by the sheer content and features packed in. You may not have liked the end product as much as Melee, but saying that 'less effort was put into it' is just factually untrue. Especially since Melee was rush to try to launch with the Gamecube.
 
All right, perhaps in that case Brawl's cake would fit better as several store-bought cakes? Each is individually lower quality, but there is more cake overall?

Cake analogies are more difficult than I initially thought.

It's weird, while I know for a fact that more effort was put into Brawl and it was less rushed than Melee, it always felt like the opposite was true to me. Maybe it was a case of the effort being spread too thin, or perhaps a case of too many cooks spoiling the soup? I'm unsure, but it's always seemed bizarre to me that the super-rushed Melee has consistently higher-quality content in single player and in the trophies and such than the apparently-not-rushed Brawl - arguably with the exception being the SSE.
 
Hey, what about Tempura Wizard
Eggplaant Wizard needs to have a buddy

W-wait.

Do you mean he argued for the transatlantic slave trade, as in he thought that it was a GOOD thing?

Or do you mean, no, he flat out didn't believe it happened.

There are a few pro-ISIS people in that thread
And one that was banned that was tallking as if he was actively among them, or ultra supportive of it
Nothing surprises me that much anymore


There has to be a better food-themed analogy for Smash games. Uh...
Super Smash Bros games are like snacks you dip in hot beverages.

Melee is like a biscuit in a cup of tea. You can just dip it briefly in the cup and enjoy it on a casual level but if you're really into it you can drop it in and appreciate how quickly it falls in and how deep it can get.

Brawl is more like a marshmallow in hot chocolate. On the surface it doesn't seem quite as deep as Melee. The marshmallow seems a lot floatier but also much prettier and accessible to kids. However it can get just as deep; just takes a little longer for the marshmallow to melt into the cup. Also old people like to pretend enjoying marshmallows more than biscuits is immature.

Smash U is uh... you know what forget it this metaphor is terrible

Yo dude, you don't do that. Near the end of the cup you get soggy biscuit in your mouth
Have some biscuit, sip the tea, have some biscuit, have some tea
Continue this so you don't taste that nasty stuff at the end
Then swear because you just swallowed some tea leaves from the bottom, and they taste like crap

Those tea leaves are the smash fans making food analogies like this
 
Melee is the kind of cake I like, Brawl is the kind of cake I liked for a little bit of time and now I'm sick of it.

this is stupid
 
All right, perhaps in that case Brawl's cake would fit better as several store-bought cakes? Each is individually lower quality, but there is more cake overall?

Cake analogies are more difficult than I initially thought.
That still doesn't really fit because Brawl had a lot more care put into it, it just didn't play as well. I don't know what Melee would be (something not very fancy that tastes amazing?), but Brawl would be like one of those cakes on Cake Boss. Looks great and had a lot of work put into it, but probably not the best tasting cake you've ever had.

But obviously these cake analogies don't work.
 
So can Smash 3DS be ice cream cake? Different, and a little weird at first, but in the end it can be enjoyed by more people and is... y'know...
better? >=]
 
All right, perhaps in that case Brawl's cake would fit better as several store-bought cakes? Each is individually lower quality, but there is more cake overall?

Cake analogies are more difficult than I initially thought.

Brawl is a good cake that someone dropped on the floor while they tripped. Playstation allstars battle royale is a piece of that same cake which rolled under a piece of furniture and grew mold for awhile before being found.
 
That still doesn't really fit because Brawl had a lot more care put into it, it just didn't play as well. I don't know what Melee would be (something not very fancy that tastes amazing?), but Brawl would be like one of those cakes on Cake Boss. Looks great and had a lot of work put into it, but probably not the best tasting cake you've ever had.

But obviously these cake analogies don't work.


The cake analogy is dumb because Brawl not playing as well as Melee is an opinion. Personally, I thought Brawl played much better than Melee overall although there were some things in Melee in I liked better. Still, I side with Brawl being superior because it had more modes, more characters that I played as my main, and I personally thought Melee was too fast.

But since this is all personal opinion, me saying Brawl is better is no more factual than you guys saying that Melee is better.

How about this if we are going to use stupid cake analogies; Melee is a pound cake. Brawl is a chocolate cake. I like chocolate more than a pound cake so I take the chocolate cake while others may love the pound cake more. They are different cakes with their individual flavors.
 
The cake analogy is dumb because Brawl not playing as well as Melee is an opinion. Personally, I thought Brawl played much better than Melee overall although they were some things in Melee in I liked better. Still, I side with Brawl being superior because it had more modes, more characters that I played as my main, and I personally thought Melee was too fast.

But since this is all personal opinion, me saying Brawl is better is no more factual than you guys saying that Melee is better.

How about this if we are going to use stupid cake analogies; Melee is a pound cake. Brawl is a chocolate cake. I like chocolate more than a pound cake so I take the chocolate cake while others may love the pound cake more. They are different cakes with their individual flavors.
I mean, come on man, Melee obviously plays better than Brawl. There's no accounting for taste I guess, but that's the same for cakes. It would be more like Melee is a pound cake, and Brawl is a slightly less good tasting pound cake that you for some reason like more than most people.
 
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