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Wario's moveset should be based on Wario's Woods.
 
It doesn't count unless it fulfils your exact criteria?

While the move is obviously in reference to Wario Land, how it's implemented in-game doesn't make it the shoulder dash/bash/tackle/whatever, much like Samus's Fusion suit colors don't really make her suit a Fusion suit.
 
A Smash player who had never played WarioWare would have no concept of what WarioWare is like, which I feel is more true with Wario than most other characters in the game.

And what characters tell me what there respective games are like? I did not play Marth in melee and say of this guy must be from a turn based tactical RPG, or this Falcon guy must be a futuristic race car driver. A character in a fighting game wont tell me how a character works in another genera.
 
And what characters tell me what there respective games are like? I did not play Marth in melee and say of this guy must be from a turn based tactical RPG, or this Falcon guy must be a futuristic race car driver. A character in a fighting game wont tell me how a character works in another genera.

Wario
Captain Falcon
Marth

One of these characters is not like the other. One of these characters isn't very limited to what he can do.

Wario has tons of things that he can do to show off his series, while Falcon and Marth are doing everything they do in their series (and things they don't do).
 
But Wario isn't defined by what he does in the WarioWare cutscenes. If we were running along those lines, Wario would be themed around greed. Every stage you play of his is based around "anything goes." Unlike Kat & Ana's theme of ninja stuff and Ashley's theme of magic, Wario's is "everything." Pac-Man doesn't summon ghosts to do attacks, but he does in Smash because it makes him more interesting mechanically and thematically. A snot whip is more interesting than a lot of what he does. Further, there's no reason to believe that Sakurai feels that the length of the microgames should preclude them from being acknowledged in his moveset. And considering that he has demonstrated the bizarre ability to enter technology when the scene called for it, it makes perfect sense that he would have access to elements from the video games made.

Also, Mario says mama mia and likes pasta. Mario's Italian.

Wasn't it implied they were born in Mushroom Kingdom?

I know greed =/= glutton, but I thought his gluttony was part of his greed (hence why there's a minigame about him losing weight). And technically the ninja/magic "theme" of Ashley and Kat Ana are just backfrops, the minigames themselves don't match it. In fact, I think only 9 Volt games have a theme (being Nintendo microgames).

Also I'd argue that Falcon's shtick is pretty much just invented for Smash since he wasn't defined at all but just Mr. Racing Guy back then.
 
While the move is obviously in reference to Wario Land, how it's implemented in-game doesn't make it the shoulder dash/bash/tackle/whatever, much like Samus's Fusion suit colors don't really make her suit a Fusion suit.

A reference to how it works when you are next to an enemy where you'll just do a short barge.
 
Wario
Captain Falcon
Marth

One of these characters is not like the other. One of these characters isn't very limited to what he can do.

Wario has tons of things that he can do to show off his series, while Falcon and Marth are doing everything they do in their series (and things they don't do).

And Wario's attacks are quick and random like the Wario Ware games.
 
Are people actually arguing over a guy whose first appearance was the boss of the alien Tatanga (Who does as he pleases), was a three phase boss battle in a Mario Gameboy Game, who then went on to have a successful solo career, who then retired to a micro games mascot with his fat stacks of cash? Ya know what, with that kind of rocketship to super fame from being a literal Bizaro Mario...His wafts should in fact be able to propel him much like his push for Nintendo Summer Slam. If the man wants to fart, then by the gods let that man rake the heavens with his hat. If he doesn't wanna blow out his arm ramming a turtle dragon with the full force of his bull hat (that he left at home, mind you) that's his business. You get the charge as beast mode Wario Man. He's gotta get his fatass in the mood with garlic first.
 
Don't forget his iconic ability to dump buckets over people's heads.

I mained Wario in Brawl and I agree his implementation was weird and should get a similar re-haul like Bowser/Pit are getting.

If there is only one other character that gets the Bowser treatment it better be Ganondorf. Wario's WareLand moveset doesn't really bother me.
 
Wasn't it implied they were born in Mushroom Kingdom?

I know greed =/= glutton, but I thought his gluttony was part of his greed (hence why there's a minigame about him losing weight). And technically the ninja/magic "theme" of Ashley and Kat Ana are just backfrops, the minigames themselves don't match it. In fact, I think only 9 Volt games have a theme (being Nintendo microgames).

Also I'd argue that Falcon's shtick is pretty much just invented for Smash since he wasn't defined at all but just Mr. Racing Guy back then.

Yes, but CF has a made-up moveset because the alternative was none.

Wario had TONS of alternatives.
 
Are people actually arguing over a guy whose first appearance was the boss of the alien Tatanga (Who does as he pleases), was a three phase boss battle in a Mario Gameboy Game, who then went on to have a successful solo career, who then retired to a micro games mascot with his fat stacks of cash? Ya know what, with that kind of rocketship to super fame from being a literal Bizaro Mario...His wafts should in fact be able to propel him much like his push for Nintendo Summer Slam. If the man wants to fart, then by the gods let that man rake the heavens with his hat. If he doesn't wanna blow out his arm ramming a turtle dragon with the full force of his bull hat (that he left at home, mind you) that's his business. You get the charge as beast mode Wario Man. He's gotta get his fatass in the mood with garlic first.
This is the best post of the past 4 pages.
 
If there is only one other character that gets the Bowser treatment it better be Ganondorf. Wario's WareLand moveset doesn't really bother me.
Ganondorf flat out needs a new moveset, not a visual-overhaul that brings him more in-line with their game appearances while having a few moveset adjustments, which is what Pit and Bowser are getting. Wario just needs a better implementation of his shoulder barge (personally I'd swap his neutral B with his side-Smash, maybe gimp the Wario Bike slightly so he doesn't have too insane range) and some more fluid animation that helps him fit in better with everyone else.

maybe the butt bash and wrestling throws from wario world too since those are fun as hell in Project M
 
But that's part of the Wario Ware reference.
A reference I personally feel doesn't come across very well at all, especially when bigger and instantly more recognizable visual references (like the cel-shading for Toon Link) are omitted from their Smash incarnations.

I respectfully disagree with it being a good look for the character.
 
Solution: If Wario wears his classic alt outfit, Side B motorcycle turns into his running dash.

But in all seriousness Sakurai could just add that into editable special moves. Sure, they generally just change properties but come on now, Wario is "special" according to Sakurai.
 
Ganondorf flat out needs a new moveset, not a visual-overhaul that brings him more in-line with their game appearances while having a few moveset adjustments, which is what Pit and Bowser are getting.

Maybe I'm just being too much of a pessimist regarding Ganondorf's chances, he most definitely deserves a new moveset, I'll just take whatever I can get at this point.
 
Solution: If Wario wears his classic alt outfit, Side B motorcycle turns into his running dash.

But in all seriousness Sakurai could just add that into editable special moves. Sure, they generally just change properties but come on now, Wario is "special" according to Sakurai.
Eh, I really the bike though and unlike the bite move it actually is a legit wario ware reference. If he gets changed a bit to be more like his Land-incarnation, I don't want them to remove the actual Ware-stuff from his moveset. The fart's also a really clever idea function-wise and doesn't clash with how he is in Land/Ware either.

Also Wario's Nintendo's real mascot, of course he's special.

Maybe I'm just being too much of a pessimist regarding Ganondorf's chances, he most definitely deserves a new moveset, I'll just take whatever I can get at this point.
Hell I think you could pretty feasibly re-animate his current batch of standard moves to involve a sword/trident and that'd already be a million times better than what we have, though I'm hoping his comments about not wanting to annoy fans of Ganondorf in Melee doesn't really apply anymore after the bigger veterans rehauls we've seen so far.

Choke-hold in Brawl was cool tho.
 
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Is Samus getting turned on by Ridley's outcry?
 
Did Nabbit show up in any of the e3 videos?

I don't think so, the Mushroom Kingdom stage seemed quite rushed after all. There were instances of items falling through the floor, weird transitions between the various versions, Kamek not appearing. I think the live crash was on Mushroom Kingdom as well, not sure though, maybe Pilotwings.

So, they probably used it for the E3 demo even though they were still working on it.
 
I wonder if Nintendo will let us connect our 3DSes to use as controllers for the WiiU version. Two of my friends will be getting the handheld version beforehand and it'd be much easier jumping straight into the bigger screen version with the same control layout. There's always the Pro Controller I guess. :P
 
Welp, ban #2, I'm assuming it's 3 bans and you're perma'd right? Probably going to be gone before smash 4 even releases then.

Ganondorf flat out needs a new moveset, not a visual-overhaul that brings him more in-line with their game appearances while having a few moveset adjustments, which is what Pit and Bowser are getting. Wario just needs a better implementation of his shoulder barge (personally I'd swap his neutral B with his side-Smash, maybe gimp the Wario Bike slightly so he doesn't have too insane range) and some more fluid animation that helps him fit in better with everyone else.

No.

I am a massive fan of his moveset, I'd be really disappointed if his electrical dair, fair punch, the back air, his "get the fuck out of my face" jab, the choke slam, warlock punch and wizard foot were just removed from the game forever. Captain Falcon isn't a good enough replacement because his play style is completely different, Ganondorf's playstyle feels right, regardless of whether his moves reference his character enough or not.

The only move I wouldn't mind being changed is his recovery, they should also make it so aerial wizard foot refreshes his second jump again as well.

Not to mention current Ganondorf is one of Sakurai's favourite characters, I doubt he's going to get much of a rehaul thankfully.
 
Guys, don't you get it? We need to have.Lucas cut because he doesn't have his exact Mother 3 moveset, so we need to cut Wario too until he functions primarily like his Wario Land self. Enough of Sakurai's different takes on characters
 
Do we know much about the online mode?

Could my friend and I play two randoms easily?

Hard to say either way.

On the one hand lots of people would like that (it's great in MK8) so he might add it, but on the other hand sakurai might use the excuse that it would give an unfair advantage to the two players who are on the same system.

Hopefully there'll be a teams mode though, I don't actually remember if that was even a feature in brawl it's been that long since I played it online, though it will probably have friendly fire turned off anyway which makes it a little bit pointless but eh, take what you can get I guess.
 
What do the 3DS L and R default to? One shield and one grab?

Been playing Brawl tonight with a CCPro, getting a feel for how it'll be on 3DS and the Pro controller. SUPER disorienting at first, but after a couple hours I was already almost back into the groove of things. I'm sure after even more time it'll be just as good.

All default settings, except swapped the shoulder triggers/buttons. I dislike how the buttons are primary. IMO the triggers should be L and R, not ZL and ZR.

The GC adaptor is so tempting but I'm convincing myself I'm doing this for good reasons ._.' Haha
 
No.

I am a massive fan of his moveset, I'd be really disappointed if his electrical dair, fair punch, the back air, his "get the fuck out of my face" jab, the choke slam, warlock punch and wizard foot were just removed from the game forever. Captain Falcon isn't a good enough replacement because his play style is completely different, Ganondorf's playstyle feels right, regardless of whether his moves reference his character enough or not.

The only move I wouldn't mind being changed is his recovery, they should also make it so aerial wizard foot refreshes his second jump again as well.

Not to mention current Ganondorf is one of Sakurai's favourite characters, I doubt he's going to get much of a rehaul thankfully.

I agree with this. Current Ganondorf is hella awesome. I wouldn't mind if some of his more useless moves were replaced, though. Like nB could be a projectile.
 
Beelzebufo wern't you the guy that was setting up an avatar bet with me?

If so I don't want to do that any more. You're so annoying that it's not even fun. I don't want to hear your objective bitching once you have to change your avatar.

And Brawl > Melee cause Snake. Objectively objectively objectively. Objectively.
Is this allowed? I don't see the point of an avatar bet if you can just drop out. Not feeling so confident about Snake anymore?

Also, I really hope Wario's moveset stays intact. I wouldn't change a thing about it, except maaaaybe change his back air or make his down Smash a little faster, because I don't know anyone who used that the way it was in Brawl.
 
Welp, ban #2, I'm assuming it's 3 bans and you're perma'd right? Probably going to be gone before smash 4 even releases then.



No.

I am a massive fan of his moveset, I'd be really disappointed if his electrical dair, fair punch, the back air, his "get the fuck out of my face" jab, the choke slam, warlock punch and wizard foot were just removed from the game forever. Captain Falcon isn't a good enough replacement because his play style is completely different, Ganondorf's playstyle feels right, regardless of whether his moves reference his character enough or not.

The only move I wouldn't mind being changed is his recovery, they should also make it so aerial wizard foot refreshes his second jump again as well.

Not to mention current Ganondorf is one of Sakurai's favourite characters, I doubt he's going to get much of a rehaul thankfully.
I'd like to see the special moves replaced, outside of the side B. They really made that one cool and appealing in Brawl (I can't remember, was it unblockable there too? If not it should be). It'd be cool if he had a better recovery option though.

But his normals are already so fitting. The jab is perfect. Forward air is great. I'd maybe like to see the smash moves re worked though. Those still fee like Falcon moves to me.
 
I want them to keep Ganon's moves just so I can see what the customisations they come up with are.

Super armour warlock punch & chargeable version would be awesome.
 
Wreck-It Ralph accepted it first anyway and initiated it. You just kind of jumped in. No changes in Snake doubts though.
That's not what happened lol, I jumped on it first both times. You even first started the bet when responding to my post. You'd just be dropping out, which makes me think you're not so confident anymore…
 
...Is it safe to come back yet?

Anyway, I had my first Smash-related dream.

I was playing a demo that had like 40 characters. The character select screen scrolled and was extremely disorganized, with blocks of random shapes containing the character select squares. Dark Samus was one of the playable characters. ;__;

The dream ended before I got to play though.
 
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