Angelus Errare
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I want one of those hoodies. Unfortunately since I live in Florida, I definitely can't wear it at night. T_T
Kim Kardashian's night out RUINED by attendant in BLACKFACE :biblio:
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I want one of those hoodies. Unfortunately since I live in Florida, I definitely can't wear it at night. T_T
Gordon Shumway
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I know that feel..
good on you. i didn't mean to insult anyone, though lots of people take being called ignorant as such even though it's not. similarly i really don't think everyone in the netherlands is a racist and apologize if i came off that way.
Context matters. A black urban youth using the n-word within his group of friends gives the word a different different meaning than a southern redneck in Alabama using the n-word. No matter how widely known the negative history of the word has been, or that even some black people within that urban community protest the usage of the n-word, it doesn't mean the same to that group of urban youth. They're the ones who know and decide what it means to them.
Well props for admitting that there might be a problem. On here, it takes a lot to get a poster to reconsider their position and actually have them admit it.
Angelus Errare
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Winterfang
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Glad you understood. Like I hammered in this topic, it doesn't really matters if it's done in good faith, some things are just inherently racist. When people call it out, they are not trying to destroy the culture or force their views on it, just remove the racism. They could easily just turn the black to ashy, the afro to unkempt hair and remove the red lips al together and it would still look like it came from a chimney. Just not like black caricature.
PhoenixDark
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lol
yes, the celebration of the black-a-moors. When black men and later arabians took over spain, portugal and naples and had great influence throughout the whole of europe, which was a fucked up place before they came.
The moors built the first university in europe (spain) and led europe (GOLD) out from the dark ages.
whenever you see these faces on flags or buildings, you know that black people used to run that place.
self explanatory
black men have always had a way with women and never had to pay for the pum pum
because when you arrive in town dressed like this....
women flock ya....
and with all this gold (unlimited amounts of untapped african gold)
black guys started to become a problem for the white european males
before europe was financially stable, they weren't racist cunts like they are now and the black man was basically their god. once europe could stand on it's own in trade, the black man became a problem to them. the black man's large penis became legend, women couldn't get enough of them. and the fact that these guys were packed to the brim with gold and pro-creating with all and whomever they chose, the white male european aristocrats feared that the white skin tone of europe would transform into a let's say "darker complexion".
yeh, so they had enough of that shit. but had to bide their time (grin and bare it).
once the portuguese and spanish white rulers found out where large deposits of african gold was (mali and ghana), they devised a plot to kick all the moors out and at the same time steal and rob all their gold.
FLASHBACK - vasco da gama, exploring(lol gold searching), murder in the name of jesus christ, stealing, slavery and racism.
FASTFORWARD - these guys!
a little history reveals everything.
Good to see someone shitcan this laughable "Americans created blackface, us innocent Europeans have no idea about the racial connotations!" bullshit that appears in every single god damn thread about this topic.
I'm glad you're open minded about this! I think this is my first time seeing a poster change their stance a bit in race threads.
t-storm
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Also, any scene that attempts to make Kris Jenner look sane/intelligent is clearly scripted.
EDIT: WHAT tmarques said.
lol wtf you talking about?
stay in school....don't be a fool...and learn the golden rule!
the truth is right here.
i don't listen to no academic research. it's all been "white washed" you see. they'll tell you all kinds of crazy shit.
like black people in africa where gold has been growing forever, from day dot, didn't know the value of it and because of that didn't realise that they've always been the richest people on this planet.
they won't tell you however that in order for europeans to gain their riches, they had to steal and rob everyone else's.....
how come they don't tell you what the book of life tells them?
i only listen to scholars of truthful human history. not indoctrinated european rhetorical bullshit.
So as an Arab whose family originate from North Africa, what you're trying to tell me is that my people's history has been subverted by European academics? So a whole different group of people actually did all the things history says we did, and you just want to bring that injustice to light? Keep fighting the good fight man, all I ask you at least leave a footnote at the bottom for us to put down our true accomplishments.
well it wouldn't be the first time.
europeans changed all the world maps.
europeans have changed/distorted history.
europeans are/were the biggest drug traffickers (heron, cocayina, hashish).....ever!
europeans are/were the biggest dope pushers (ask china how britain owned HK for 100 years and turned them into junkies)
but when i'm in a club everyone's asking me for the pills huh?
LMFAO
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
The guy in blackface was so comfortable with it. He had a 'my job here is done' look to him.
DC is like when you let your porn fantasies and your history mix.
Forceatowulf
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You misunderstood. The reason why those kids were used in some of those roles was because it's what was available to our history teacher at the time. He used what he had, and what he had wasn't a whole lot to choose from (a lot of the kids weren't that interested). But, despite this, at no point did he feel the need to paint the kids in Black-face/White-face to make it seem more authentic. It would be unnecessary and ridiculous if he did. There's simply no need for it.
As for Broadway plays, musicals, and movies and the like? These studios have a wide fucking variety of talent to choose from that fit the roles that portray the character authentically as well as the money to pay for them. Doesn't mean they always do it.. as we have seen with Hollywoods Whitewashing. But they do have the resources and means to do so, that is absolutely undeniable.
You need to brush up on your history, friend. G.W. did have an assistant that was more than just a regular slave to him. He pretty much thought of him as a war buddy.
Shit like that wasn't completely abnormal either. Slave masters did indeed have personal assistants, akin to the type of assistant you'd see a high class celebrity with. That was a thing.
I think for people outside of the US, with little immediate history of slavery and segregation, dressing up in blackface is pretty similar to people dressing up as Indians at costume parties. Apparently the use of feathers and war bonnets is offensive to Indians too because of what it portrays. But few people would say the person wearing one is racist because there's no intent of mocking Indians behind it. It is however a stereotypical caricature of an Indian with no attempt to depict other humans accurately.
For me there's a difference there. Although again I'm not a big fan of the tradition.
pants
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should have gone to the gym and got some tree trunk thighs instead, everyone would have been happier
BrokenEchelon
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Majmun
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As I just demonstrated a few hours ago, the style people call blackface these days originated hundreds of years ago. It's much older than the colonization of the North American continent, was very widespread and was never intended to be or considered racist by anyone. The whole uproar is a relatively new thing mainly caused by recent incidents in a few selected countries. Sorry, I simply believe throwing out a thousand years of well intended history and tradition to make a few offended individuals happy is completely asinine.
After the blackface stunt, that became my nickname for her. A history lesson on why blackface is wrong? Whitey ain't havin that!
Lol. Shit, her tennis outfit and braids would have sufficed but noooo.
EmCeeGramr
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it's okay guys, it's well intended racism
Are you talking about DC R1D3R or Zwarte Piet?
Ignatz Mouse
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Bad example. She did color and style her hair. Not sure what she might have done about her eyes short of custom contacts.
I get what you are saying, but the actress who played Crazy Eyes wasn't offended. Clearly a mistake in judgment but not an attempt to mock.
Captain Europe
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Yeah, we like to mock black people on a children's holiday... SMH.
To most Dutch people, the Zwarte Pieten exist as a separate fairytale not linked to the black race. Having said that, this thread motivated me to look up opinions of black Dutch people on Youtube and it changed my mind about the whole thing. There are white children calling black children Zwarte Piet or asking them if they are related, that makes them feel uncomfortable and different, and that is NOT okay.
The intent is not malicious, but along the way we are hurting people in ways we didn't stop to think about. Even children are hurt by this, and they are the whole point of this holiday. This tradition needs to adapt to modern society, it needs to change. Make them Rainbow Pieten or something, it shouldn't be too hard.
To be honest this sounds like equivalent being desensitized to magical negroes. I mean it's just a friendly black man giving advise to a white man what could be wrong with that?
This isn't really directed at you.
Supermanisdead
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You can be a world famous icon and superstar and yet people will still reduce you to "that black girl" through these offensive ass costumes. But it's okay. She's doing to be authentic you know?
Winterfang
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Did she used a fake big butt? I'm morbidly intrigued by the whole thing.
Yup same here. I never thought of them as being black per se. But recently I have noticed that more coloured people do actually see zwarte piet as offensive in the Netherlands.
I see no reason why not to change it just a little bit. Dial back the red lips and the golden earrings and its a lot better.
I don't think people can really judge any tradition if they don't actually experience it, though. I mean Dutch people don't judge Santaclaus for using little people as his servants (which is what others do to zwarte piet), but if little people find that tradition offensive, there should be some changes
Edit: also strange that this topic has shifted from kim kardashian to dutch traditions (not that I am complaining)
yes because 99% of the time that seems to be people putting on blackface.
Gordon Shumway
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I'm talking more in general. A majority of immigrant already don't perceive zwarte piet as racist, although most of the dutch immigrants aren't black, so there's that. You'll also see that the locals in the Dutch Antilles celebrate Sinterklass and they don't associate zwarte piet with racism.
You never have to change skin color. What are you talking about?
It's a shame. My respect level dropped for her a bit. She's my wife's best friend so will always be in the picture. She's cool other than that but she's a finger in her ears "I'm not listening about race, am colorblind" type of person
Hahha no fake butt. Pink tennis top, white skirt, tennis racket and black ass shoe polish for skin color with a shit eating grin.
After she posted the pics on FB, we called her out on it again. Her excuse? She's not racist because she shoe polished her whole body and not just her face, so it wasn't blackface... infuriating.
Gordon Shumway
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Damn, Hav..you're a pretty tolerant dude. I'm getting pretty fucking angry just reading this shit. Can't see a scenario where I'd be ok with interacting with such a piece of shit woman. This world, I tell you.
We don't really know as far as I'm aware. I believe one recent theory is that the first Europeans were black, intermingled with Neanderthals (who were white), and Neanderthal genes were dominant. On top of that, in colder countries with limited exposure to sunlight, it's better to have pale skin. Fast forward a few thousand years and everybody was white.
Racism is not ok because you can afford it. These folks brave enough to do it to someone with money,. imagine what they do to who don't.?
The Incarnation
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I'm Black and English and I could tell he was joking ffs. Chill.
Europeans are indigenous. So look at a European.
This is both not a theory and not based on empirical evidence. EDIT: More specifically, it's unknown what proto-Europeans looked like. Some believe that pale skin evolved before they settled in Europe and some believe it occurred afterwards. However, there is no evidence of the Neanderthal thing.
Coreda
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There was a great compilation of posts from the last blackface thread about this exact thing.
The same thing happened in the thread linked above, and I think it had to do with trying to understand what causes the offense in the first place when someone is cosplaying, etc.
It's an obligation to wear blackface to portray a character?
Alternatively, follow the cosplayingwhileblack tumblr. Has a lot of cosplayers doing different cosplays and...even with the not-black characters they are, oddly, not wearing white face!
Don't worry I'm aware how these discussions turn out. We have hit a new record though with butthurt defenders on the very first page.
And no I'm not colonialist American
http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature12961
http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1245938
Yeah, I didn't word it very well. They probably turned white before settling in Europe. Though the genetic relationship to Neanderthals, directly or by proxy, seems to be generally considered highly likely as far as I can tell.
NTIETS13A_Superiority
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Dude pulled that off pretty nicely. What if it was black man in white mans body. Way to hate asshats. He wanted to be vagina or rapper or something.
We are part neanderthal. Deal with it.
About skin colour. See east.
We are part neanderthal. Deal with it.
About skin colour. See east.
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