What is going on on Giant Bomb right now?

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Didn't know Leigh Alexander hated everything Giant Bomb this much, but maybe she still gets hate? But her articles are always highlighted in Patrick Klepek's Worth Reading...

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Speaking for all women now... good lord. Glad I don't follow her.

Surely she's deleted everything by now, hasn't she? What is with people on Twitter and their hit and run tactics to say inflammatory things without taking any kind of responsibility for their statements?
 
I've been listening to the crew at Giantbomb for years and I trust them to select their staff free of sexism, racism and other forms of bigotry. I would take their words any day over the ramblings of random people on the internet. I'm haven't been lobotomized by social media to the point I'm willing to let it contrive the narrative however it so chooses. This whole argument and the reaction of the internet at large is a mess.

If you want to raise an important issue then do so responsibly, don't make other peoples credibility your jumping off point with no evidence and baseless accusations.

If you want to defend your community then do so in an intelligent and articulate manner. You will not defend anything with hateful words, you can only destroy. If you are unable to do so then the best defense you can make is to shut up.
 
More personally, it's really annoying when people talk about diversity and social issues in gaming but never back it up with their actions. For an outfit that is so front and center in terms of progressive views toward the gaming industry, it's disappointing that those views never impact their personal decisions. It's disappointing when there is nothing to distinguish Giant Bomb from the rest of the industry aside from their words.

This is my real issue with this whole thing. I don't really care who was hired in this case, but I don't want to hear criticisms concerning lack of diversity in other areas of video gaming in the near future, specifically from Giant Bomb.
 
What's baffling is people brushing off our concerns as some twisted "reverse
racism/sexism" when it's no secret that white males are far more privileged
than others with regards to career opportunities.

There are plenty of industries with bigger and better jobs than "games journalist" that are dominated by females.
 
If the Giant Bomb crew can't get on well with someone who isn't white and male, there is definitely something wrong.

Not I think that's the case.

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What I meant was there is nothing wrong with the team recruiting the best candidate for the position.

As far as I'm concerned gender, skin colour, religion or sexual preference should have no bearing on any employment decision.

As I said either here or in the other thread recruitment isn't a check box exercise and life isn't a Benetton advert.
 
You're obviously not a feminist.

I am. She's an extremist that is a disgrace to actual feminists. Not everything is a plot against women, this is a person looking for reasons to feel oppressed. It's a position that is mainly sought after by men who have a history in the business, but they'll never accept that fact. It's all just "coincidence" to extremists. The only way to silence them going forward is to ignore them.
 
Didn't know Leigh Alexander hated everything Giant Bomb this much, but maybe she still gets hate? But her articles are always highlighted in Patrick Klepek's Worth Reading...

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I can't see any of this on her feed. Were they deleted or is someone making them to stir things up?
 
They're owned by CBS. I think you may be underestimating their budget.

I just listened to a podcast while mowing the lawn. They were talking about wanting to move to 1080p recording, but the expense was holding them back. Doesn't sound like deep pockets to me.
 
Didn't know Leigh Alexander hated everything Giant Bomb this much, but maybe she still gets hate? But her articles are always highlighted in Patrick Klepek's Worth Reading...

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Way to bite the hand that feeds and sell out your friends... hasn't she been on their show a number of times and been given plenty of promotion and platform by the Bomb guys?
 
You really seem to be of the opinion that if they don't fall into those categories they can't be discriminated against.

As someone that left their home country for my wife's career rather than my own and now deal with being excluded regularly I find that a bit narrow minded. Jobs are already tight but I don't fit the cultural mold here and it has eliminated me from the running plenty of times over.

Everyone has their own pains and troubles and not every social issue term covers everyone's situation and socioeconomic status. I'm sorry about what's going with you.

That said, white male privilege does exist in many facets and structures. To act like it doesn't just because of a personal situation is, again, willful ignorance.
 
Because diverse voices would improve the site? Because two guys who offer more of the same thing they already have does not in any way help the site grow? Because "that's just how it is" is a shitty reason to perpetuate inequality?

I agree "that's just how it is" is a poor reason. I think it would be cool if there was diversity. If they had a black guy or a woman or an asian in there. Sweet. I even like Danny on there for a bit of Irish to mix things up. But what I want MOST of all is a quality person with a good personality. They can be as diverse as you want, if they don't mix in perfectly with that tight knitted group then it kinda goes to shit. Patrick was given a TON of shit when he started because he "didn't fit in".

Diversity is cool but not at the cost of making the site better. We have no idea who applied for the job. Maybe it was only 3 women? Maybe it was 500? I'm sure Jeff took a long time finding the right employees and didn't want to pick someone who fucked things up.
 
It's pretty remarkable that OP quoted a bunch of people from Giant Bomb asking its fans not to attack people who criticized the site for its hiring practices . . . and this thread is filled with people doing just that (though at least no one is being vile).
 
Are those Leigh Alexander tweets even real? I can't find them. Maybe she deleted them but it's not hard to photoshop tweets.
 
What a fucking gong show. Sadly it's the way things are, no matter what someone would have been pissed off and gotten hostile on the web.
 
She shouldn't have responded that way, but you do realize the "what if he was the most qualified?" line has been run into the ground over decades of dealing with workplace discrimination, right?

Not everyone has been following the issue for decades or whatever.

It's a pretty logical place to go in a conversation about someone's getting hired when none of us know the details.
 
Didn't know Leigh Alexander hated everything Giant Bomb this much, but maybe she still gets hate? But her articles are always highlighted in Patrick Klepek's Worth Reading...

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Is this real? The guys themselves are trying to be as civil as possible about this so this is kind of an astounding response directed at them
 
It's pretty remarkable that OP quoted a bunch of people from Giant Bomb asking its fans not to attack people who criticized the site for its hiring practices . . . and this thread is filled with people doing just that (though at least no one is being vile).
I think they were more referring about how they should stop to harass them on twitter and call them slurs. Don't think people here do that
 
This is not how a professional adult behaves on a public forum.

I'm going to choose to believe she's just stressed out from all the personal attacks and will realize these were some dumb comments when she calms down. 'Cause, yeah, there's no reason to be talking shit about the GB crew like that. They are telling their fans to stop their shit, and you're going attack them? Makes sense...

Again, I'm sure most of the people causing all this shit aren't even GB fans. Just the same internet crowd that gets fired up any time race/sex gets brought up in regards to video games.
 
Didn't know Leigh Alexander hated everything Giant Bomb this much, but maybe she still gets hate? But her articles are always highlighted in Patrick Klepek's Worth Reading...

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I don't condone it, bit I'm also not surprised garbage like this would receive hateful replies
 
I can't see any of this on her feed. Were they deleted or is someone making them to stir things up?

Leigh Alexander has issues with saying things immediately when they come into her head. So she'll post shit like that and then delete them. She needs like a five second timer between writing things and posting them.
 
Uh oh.... looks like the negative side of fandom has reared it's ugly head again. I know from personal experiance how awful that can be. People going around invading twitter accounts, youtube channels, message boards, the facebook pages of family members, pastebins and doxing, and etc in your name just because there was some sort of dispute or negative exchange they got wind of. It's really bad. Especially when the victims really do believe you pointed these feral troglodytes at them.

Whatever the situation may be Giantbomb should be the one to handle their own problems, They don't need an internet army creating hell for them.

As for the subject at hand, as a hispanic with no connections in the industry, I know exactly how it feels to "not be the most qualified" by "not having the most experiance" needed to be the best for a job. It's hard to get the job I really want when all I will ever be seen as is a freelance contractor to be discarded once my work is done. And you know what? I'm pretty sure there are white people like me who feel the same way. Fuck these pushy SJW demagogues who think their issues are more important than whatever race/ class they think they have the right to attack. Why is it okay to lump all white males together like that? I cannot be the only person who sees issue with the SJW mindset.
 
Didn't know Leigh Alexander hated everything Giant Bomb this much, but maybe she still gets hate? But her articles are always highlighted in Patrick Klepek's Worth Reading...

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Wow. Guess things never got better after that E3. Maybe she got harassed too much by internet dicks that she just hates the GB community so much it's transferred over to the main site and the people there?
 
Everyone has their own pains and troubles and not every social issue term covers everyone's situation and socioeconomic status. That said, white male privilege does exist in many facets and structures. To act like it doesn't just because of a personal situation is, again, willful ignorance.
I didn't say it didn't exist but I'm absolutely sick of acting like it's OK to shit on the "majority". That doesn't help diffuse these situations at all. It just creates an "us vs them" scenario.

That said, almost everything you've said seems to be very US-centric. The world is a big place and the "white male" certainly does not dominate all countries. Not even remotely close.
 
Not everyone has been following the issue for decades or whatever.

It's a pretty logical place to go in a conversation about someone's getting hired when none of us know the details.

Ignorance is not an excuse.

I didn't say it didn't exist but I'm absolutely sick of acting like it's OK to shit on the "majority". That doesn't help diffuse these situations at all. It just creates an "us vs them" scenario.

That said, almost everything you've said seems to be limited to the US. The world is a big place and the "white male" certainly does not dominate all countries. Not even remotely close.

I can only speak to what I'm most familiar with. I'm not going to make claims about Spain, for example, since I'm not familiar with labor laws, hiring practices, or minority representation there.
 
Is there a situation where this actually happening or are you also promoting the flimsy argument that there is racism against whites because of affirmative action?

It's the kinda situation that occurs when influential morons start ranting on Twitter forcing HR managers to shift their hiring parameters away from performance in order to save face.

It's like this Ubisoft bullshit about their games being 'full of women'. They're so proud of it (as they should be) but it's also so abundantly clear they're just doing it for all the wrong reasons.
 
I am. She's an extremist that is a disgrace to actual feminists. Not everything is a plot against women, this is a person looking for reasons to feel oppressed. It's a position that is mainly sought after by men who have a history in the business, but they'll never accept that fact. It's all just "coincidence" to extremists. The only way to silence them going forward is to ignore them.

The only feminists that make waves big enough to reach me are the extremists like Anita Sarkessan or this woman. Forgive my ignorance.
 
I really can't wrap my head around why people have chosen now to be upset about this. Why don't we lash out against every other media outlet who hires white dudes? Why is a tiny division of CBSi suddenly the target of all this dissent?
 
Basically, a minority group got angry because they don't get represented in the games industry so they took Twitter to vent their frustration about not being hired and insulted people like the little kids they are, then a bunch of other dumb kids from both Giant Bomb and Game Informer went to twitter to attack those people. Then the crew got angry.

IMO, everyone needs to shut up and enjoy video games.

Both Dan and Jason are great, learn to embrace change. If you're in a minority group, learn to not take everything personal for fucks sake, the crew doesn't hate you, they just picked who they thought was the best for the position. If you're from Giant Bomb/Game Informer, calm down and stop being an asshole to others.

Everyone forget about this and move on.
 
This is pure nonsense.

We have absolutely no information to go on to lead us to believe that Giantbomb have done anything wrong whatsoever. We have no information about the hiring process, no information about who the candidates were. All we know is that Giantbomb hired two white males. That's not worthy of outrage.

Find evidence that they discriminated (good luck) and be outraged - but it's simply not on to start a discussion about representation by pointing the finger at Giantbomb as if they are the enemy. It's such an unbelievable counter productive way to go about activism. It's divisive, it's unfair, and it's stupid.
 
Maybe one of the worst things about this, is that any women or minority that possibly joins giant bomb in the future might wonder if it was just a result of this mess.
 
So they have to fill the diversity quota or you'll be unhappy? That makes no sense!

It makes a kind of sense. Even ignoring the reputation that Giant Bomb has for being more sensible and socially aware than most sites, the fact of the matter is that a group of white men are the faces of one of the most popular gaming websites on the internet, and when two slots for hirings opened up, they hired two more white men. And every aspect of those hirings that could be defended can also be strictly criticized.

If they say, "we felt they were the best person for the jobs" - then how can we be sure they were proactive, that they really hunted down the best hires? There are plenty of writers out there who aren't white or male, and they might do as good a job as these two, or maybe even better. They don't have to prove anything to anyone, of course, but it'll just be another black mark on their track record so far.

If they say, "we felt they were the most experienced candidates" - then they're drawing from a stacked deck. There's not that much diversity in the industry as is, and hiring from experience just makes it harder for people who weren't in it before, people who weren't "part of the boys' club". Not to mention that it stops them from getting said experience in the first place.

If they say, "we're comfortable with these two hires/they're old friends" then it totally is a boys club and they're gonna get torn to shreds.

The intent, the means, what they plan to do with them in the future - none of it matters. All that matters is that they played into the status quo, and they'd be smart to watch their tone in their response, if they intend to respond at all.

Of course, their critics don't have to watch shit, but that's nothing new. Those tweets from Alexander and Allen will be written off as frustrated-but-justified posts once the story gets traction, and the whole thing will be written off as a teaching moment soon enough.
 
The only feminists that make waves big enough to reach me are the extremists like Anita Sarkessan or this woman. Forgive my ignorance.

I wasn't trying to lay claim to ignorance on your part, perhaps I misunderstood the point of your post?
 
She shouldn't have responded that way, but you do realize the "what if he was the most qualified?" line has been run into the ground over decades of dealing with workplace discrimination, right?

Sure, you can wave away every individual opportunity with that one line, but the truth of the matter is, discrimination is real, and white males dominate the specific industry we are talking about.

Again, we don't really know this specific situation, but what if they really WERE the most qualified? I think anybody who has listened to any of GB would not take them for being in anyway discriminatory.

Because diverse voices would improve the site? Because two guys who offer more of the same thing they already have does not in any way help the site grow? Because "that's just how it is" is a shitty reason to perpetuate inequality?

At the same time, it might do nothing and conflict with the crew there, and not in a "discussion" sort of way. We don't know, but saying having someone of a different race of gender automatically improves the site is shortsighted.

Edit: poor spelling everywhere
 
I really can't wrap my head around why people have chosen now to be upset about this. Why don't we lash out against every other media outlet who hires white dudes? Why is a tiny division of CBSi suddenly the target of all this dissent?

Personality driven site. It's hard for people to get worked-up about some person hired they will never see or know about
 
The only feminists that make waves big enough to reach me are the extremists like Anita Sarkessan or this woman. Forgive my ignorance.

In what universe could Anita Sarkessan be described as an EXTREMIST? Her videos and points are always the most basic baby level feminism there is said in the nicest way possible.
 
I wasn't trying to lay claim to ignorance on your part, perhaps I misunderstood the point of your post?

I may or may not have implied all feminists are overzealous nuts. That's just how it seems when only the overzealous nuts make the news, so to speak.
 
It's the kinda situation that occurs when influential morons start ranting on Twitter forcing HR managers to shift their hiring parameters away from performance in order to save face.

It's like this Ubisoft bullshit about their games being 'full of women'. They're so proud of it (as they should be) but it's also so abundantly clear they're just doing it for all the wrong reasons.

I still don't know what situation you're referring to or taking context from. Do you have an example or are you just creating one for the sake of an argument?
 
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