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[Stimpack]

Brad crossed the line

Why did you have to bring that up again!?

 

[nomis]

I dont understand, Samantha Allen is a white male ?

That twitter user is unfairly labelling Samantha Allen a hypocrite because she is a white transgendered woman attacking white men. In the most mean-spirited way they can muster.

 

[StopMakingSense]

I was pretty sure he did that believing he was not fooling anyone. Is weird to me hear that some people were believing he was hidding it for the sake of some shady stuff.

No I absolutely don't think he was hiding it "for the sake of some shady stuff," but I think it's more of a it went from this extremely open call for applications to this insidery thing that they were even joking about openly on twitter, that there was a change in tone and expectations in the process that is natural for a good chunk of their audience and peers to be put off by.

 

[ThreePiMatt]

If that was the case then hat seems even worse. What you seem to be implying is that CBSi has an equal opportunity hiring procedure (as most companies do) and Jeff was forced to go through it even though he intended to hire his buddy.

I don't know what the hell you want me to say. I'm not part of CBSi's HR department so I don't know how their process works. If anyone feels they didn't get hired because of discrimination they can file a complaint with the EEOC.

http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/fed_employees/filing_complaint.cfm

 

[shadyspace]

Why wouldn't have Max seen Vinny's penis? Dads don't bathe with their kids anymore?

 

[Alfredo]

It was implying that Max has seen Vinny's penis

OHHH. I honestly never got it until just now. I always thought that they were talking about how Vinny's penis was as big as Max. I know it doesn't make sense. That's why I was so confused about it.

 

[Dizzy-4U]

Why did you have to bring that up again!?

Neat, quote on top of the page. Everyone watch this!

 

[Cygnus]

Why wouldn't have Max seen Vinny's penis?

LOL

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Why wouldn't have Max seen Vinny's penis?

I've never seen my dad naked


Is it a common thing for people to see their dads naked?!

 

[rmanthorp]

God damn it's hard to keep up here with two threads going. I'm off to bed guys so I here's hoping they don't announce they hired Jeff Green overnight.

Thanks for being one of the better communities while this has all been going down.

Peace <>

 

[Zaph]

Just when I think we've reached rock bottom, here we are explaining gross jokes.

Guys, if you don't get it, be proud that your mind isn't completely in the gutter.

I've never seen my dad naked


Is it a common thing for people to see their dads naked?!

My family didn't do it, but parents being naked around their children isn't uncommon. Gonna guess you're American? Probably fair to say you're more conservative about that stuff.

 

[nbthedude]

I'm going to assume that Jeff has a better idea of what makes someone right for the job they do than a random guy on neogaf. Your implication that he just went out and hired his buddy because he wanted to hang out at work is shitty.

Well if you start from the position of "Jeff is always right in all the decisions he makes" then sure. I guess there is no room for any conversation of any kind about anything related to the site.

And I wasn't the one that directly implied he was hiring his friend in this case. I was responding to people defending his choice to hire his friends. However I as I said earlier it does seem pretty clear to me that nepotism runs pretty rampant among videogame journalist job openings. And that would go a long way to explaining the relative lack of diversity.

 

[Archaix]

Why wouldn't have Max seen Vinny's penis? Dads don't bathe with their kids anymore?

Seriously. I'm weirded out by how weirded out people are by the implication that a son would have seen his father naked.

 

[bigwinnerx]

I've never seen my dad naked


Is it a common thing for people to see their dads naked?!

You have, you just probably don't remember.

If you do remember, passive naked time went on too long.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

I've never envied how they have to deal with the community, because clearly they're not happy with them anymore. They like the a lot of them, but after E3, there was definitely a sense of "Man, fuck the Giant Bomb community" from them, which I assume had to do with the fact that there were women during the E3 discussions and the community's gonna do what it does.

But they can't cut the community out or really come down on them hard because that's where the money comes from.

But you said it before in this thread, there is a toxic part that should be dealt with it. But I think that deal with the community is more hard that just bans and shameful displaying the bad roots.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Is it a common thing for people to see their dads naked?!

Probably more than you'd assume. I have as a child since my parents didn't care, and it's only until I got older that I started being real uncomfortable about it (and vice-versa with them).

 

[ab.aeterno]

Sorry man, I didn't want to sound like that. Specially because it seemed to be a pretty important realization. I know that some epiphanies can come from anywhere. Glad to hear that this discussion had a positive effect.

No worries. I appreciate your positivity.

What's weird is that I have kind of the opposite problem. I generally tend to argue the more culturally conservative position in these kinds of arguments specifically to avoid the larger societal rejection and because I think loudly voicing oppositional views doesn't help change people's minds.

But then I also realize that this could just be another form of the same kind of suppression you are discussing.

I know where you're coming from. I've lucked out in the move towards liberalism on this particular issue, as I can speak my mind while remaining closeted and not feel rejected or found out. Particularly online here, I feel more free to speak my mind without fear of the worst kind of responses I'd get on other forums -- and I speak from experience.

Anyways, I appreciate your reply. I hope I'm not misunderstanding you when I say I hope you shake the avoidance of rejection to be a bold poster.

 

[Wunder]

God damn it's hard to keep up here with two threads going. I'm off to bed guys so I here's hoping they don't announce they hired Jeff Green overnight.

Thanks for being one of the better communities while this has all been going down.

Peace <>

good night <>

 

[TraBuch]

I've never seen my dad naked


Is it a common thing for people to see their dads naked?!

I once walked in on my parents doing...Yeah...Repressed memories should stay repressed...

 

[ThreePiMatt]

Well if you start from the position of "Jeff is always right in all the decisions he makes" then sure. I guess there is no room for any conversation of any kind about anything related to the site.

And I wasn't the one that directly implied he was hiring his friend in this case. I was responding to people defending his choice to hire his friends. However I as I said earlier it does seem pretty cloear to me that nepotism runs pretty rampant among videogame journalist job openings.

You come off as an astoundingly naïve individual.

 

[Stimpack]

Neat, quote on top of the page. Everyone watch this!

I couldn't have planned that any better. Sorry, Brad.

Also, can't wait to watch Dan and Jeff blast some nuts with Sniper Elite III tomorrow!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

But you said it before in this thread, there is a toxic part that should be dealt with it. But I think that deal with the community is more hard that just bans and shameful displaying the bad roots.

I might be unfairly generalizing the GB Community here, but in my experience there, the overall tone is:

1) All the GB guys are great and everything they do is great (this is to be expected for a forum on a site)
2) Anything goes as long as it's funny

Which is, you know, fair. GB is a comedy site. But I think people are taking those things to extreme ends and maybe it's time for the community's culture to change. Some of those things can be said about this thread sometimes, too.

 

[Keyser Soze]

And so it begins...

 

[nbthedude]

You come off as an astoundingly naïve individual.

Obviously I'm aware nepotism runs rampant in general. But that sure as hell doesn't automatically make it something that should be considered acceptable for supposedly open employment opportunities.

 

[LiK]

And so it begins...

testicle explosion jokes incoming

 

[obonicus]

I've never envied how they have to deal with the community, because clearly they're not happy with them anymore. They like the a lot of them, but after E3, there was definitely a sense of "Man, fuck the Giant Bomb community" from them, which I assume had to do with the fact that there were women during the E3 discussions and the community's gonna do what it does.

There seems to be a mismatch between what Jeff refers to as community and what detractors refer to as community. Jeff refers to regular users of the site, the (mostly) endearingly weird people who photoshop Jeff's head onto things and creates original art of the editors. Everyone else refers to everyone who cares enough about the website to feel passionate about it. There are a lot of people in this thread who are in the latter group, but not the former. Same applies to reddit, 4chan, SA, etc.

I'm not really sure what can be done by people who use outside channels to be incredibly hateful towards other people. Highlighting the issue doesn't seem to help; Patrick's been doing this, and if anything he's more loathed now than when he started.

But they can't cut the community out or really come down on them hard because that's where the money comes from.

I had the feeling that they did in fact come down hard on assholes. Someone else mentioned tons of bannings that the mod team had to undertake during E3 or whenever something controversial happened. Zoe Quinn even mentions how great they've been blocking so much of the vile stuff thrown her way.

It's just that people can reregister and continue to be assholes. NeoGAF gets pretty shitty when something controversial happens, but because the application process is fairly glacial permabanned folks can't just up and rereg that easily (which is why famous outlaw posters would bank up on accounts before the storm). So should GB implement closed subscriptions? Would that even help, seeing as how Twitter would have no such rules?

 

[Stimpack]

I might be unfairly generalizing the GB Community here, but in my experience there, the overall tone is:

1) All the GB guys are great and everything they do is great (this is to be expected for a forum on a site)
2) Anything goes as long as it's funny

Which is, you know, fair. GB is a comedy site. But I think people are taking those things to extreme ends and maybe it's time for the community's culture to change. Some of those things can be said about this thread sometimes, too.

I read #2 as "Anything goes as long as it's Vinny", which would also be correct.

 

[BUNTING1243]

It's really unfortunate that this firestorm happened and one of the most vocal critics has a blog post outlining her beliefs on misandry (meaning everyone is gonna discredit her now--whether or not they should being besides the point), because I think this is a conversation worth having without the extremes of each side being fucking assholes to each other. I feel awful for the people being harassed on Twitter, and bad for Jeff and Patrick, because they probably take a lot of personal responsibility for their community's actions.

The Internet is the worst basically.

Also, on topic, if Drew stops being on video content as often I'm going to be really disappointed.

 

[daydream]

And so it begins...

Hooray!

 

[MiniBossBattle]

And so it begins...

Please let this be true. I have been burned too many times by you already.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

I might be unfairly generalizing the GB Community here, but in my experience there, the overall tone is:

1) All the GB guys are great and everything they do is great (this is to be expected for a forum on a site)
2) Anything goes as long as it's funny

Which is, you know, fair. GB is a comedy site. But I think people are taking those things to extreme ends and maybe it's time for the community's culture to change. Some of those things can be said about this thread sometimes, too.

Oh, I agree with that. But I feel that GB has done a decent job reminding people about limits (the incident with Ryan and the F-word was pretty notestanding, as Ryan quickly apologized and dind't justifie it)

 

[Punchy4486]

Well if you start from the position of "Jeff is always right in all the decisions he makes" then sure. I guess there is no room for any conversation of any kind about anything related to the site.

And I wasn't the one that directly implied he was hiring his friend in this case. I was responding to people defending his choice to hire his friends. However I as I said earlier it does seem pretty clear to me that nepotism runs pretty rampant among videogame journalist job openings. And that would go a long way to explaining the relative lack of diversity.

I'm sorry if you're shocked and appalled that this may have happened. Welcome to modern society. Every job hires based off of networking now. It's total bullshit, but like... it's old news. I've known someone at every single job I've had, save one. That one, I knew someone who was friends with the boss.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see your more recent posts.

 

[obonicus]

Obviously I'm aware nepotism runs rampant in general. But that sure as hell doesn't automatically make it something that should be considered acceptable for supposedly open employment opportunities.

Apologies for pedantry, but I don't think nepotism is the correct term here. That said, that suggests Ryckert isn't extremely qualified for his position. He's also a known quantity. I'll repeat a question I made earlier: given that your livelihood is on the line, given equal qualifications on paper would you hire a stranger over someone you know is competent? I mean, this isn't just a question for the GB CBSI process, this is for every job.

 

[Pelydr]

So many patreons are going to get some new subscribers soon out of pity! This whole thing is insane. I don't see how Leigh or this Samantha woman come out looking good. Same with the GB community (ive never really spent anytime there so I'm not sure how it normally is).

But funny videos fix everything!

 

[Google]

Is it a common thing for people to see their dads naked?!

erm...yes.

Let me rephrase your question for you. Is it an uncommon thing for dads to bathe their young children?

 

[Keyser Soze]

Please let this be true. I have been burned too many times by you already.

I've never told a lie in this thread. I posted there was a new podcast. I linked to a new podcast that had just went up on the site. I post there is a new Vinny video, I link to a video Vinny helped someone produce.

No lies. You just misunderstood, obviously!

 

[shadyspace]

I've never told a lie in this thread. I posted there was a new podcast. I linked to a new podcast that had just went up on the site. I post there is a new Vinny video, I link to a video Vinny helped someone produce.

No lies. You just misunderstood, obviously!

I hate you Keyser

 

[Rhaknar]

I'm sorry if you're shocked and appalled that this may have happened. Welcome to modern society. Every job hires based off of networking now. It's total bullshit, but like... it's old news. I've known someone at every single job I've had, save one. That one, I knew someone who was friends with the boss.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see your more recent posts.

very true

 

[Keyser Soze]

I hate you Keyser

I still love you

 

[Zornack]

It's really unfortunate that this firestorm happened and one of the most vocal critics has a blog post outlining her beliefs on misandry (meaning everyone is gonna discredit her now--whether or not they should being besides the point), because I think this is a conversation worth having without the extremes of each side being fucking assholes to each other. I feel awful for the people being harassed on Twitter, and bad for Jeff and Patrick, because they probably take a lot of personal responsibility for their community's actions.

This will never happen. It's only going to get worse. The extremists are always going to come out and poison the entire conversation.

 

[MiniBossBattle]

I've never told a lie in this thread. I posted there was a new podcast. I linked to a new podcast that had just went up on the site. I post there is a new Vinny video, I link to a video Vinny helped someone produce.

No lies. You just misunderstood, obviously!

I never said you lied, just that you took me to places I never been. That sounds weird. This thread is weird.

Jason better not freaking be a Blanka player.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

A sneak peek of tomorrows quick look.

 

[BUNTING1243]

This will never happen. It's only going to get worse. The extremists are always going to come out and poison the entire conversation.

I know and that fucking sucks that there can't be a conversation like this on the Internet without slurs and death threats.

 

[Myggen]

I logged onto the internet again and saw someone mention that they would be bummed if Drew didn't appear in much video content anymore. Is that some rumor?

 

[GolazoDan]

It's really unfortunate that this firestorm happened and one of the most vocal critics has a blog post outlining her beliefs on misandry (meaning everyone is gonna discredit her now--whether or not they should being besides the point), because I think this is a conversation worth having without the extremes of each side being fucking assholes to each other. I feel awful for the people being harassed on Twitter, and bad for Jeff and Patrick, because they probably take a lot of personal responsibility for their community's actions.

The Internet is the worst basically.

Also, on topic, if Drew stops being on video content as often I'm going to be really disappointed.

This, basically.

There's two extremes that we're dealing with here. One's the more vile, obviously abusive and sexist side, the sorts you are gonna see screencapped, retweeted, whatever when they have a go. This happens on Reddit, in YouTube comments, on Twitter, on blog posts, in chat, all over the place. This group's made up of people who truly believe this garbage and/or people who want to generate a reaction. The end result is more or less the same and these people probably have some issues of their own. It's not normal behaviour.

On the other side, however, there are people like Samantha. She's very much the polar opposite of the first lot although she's usually the recipient initially. Some people have buttons that can be pushed and it sets them off. Eventually these people have that button pushed so much that they just get set in their ways. The group who like to troll know how to push the button, they get the reaction they want, they keep going, they continue to get reactions, and the conversation never really gets going.

In the middle there are rational people who want to discuss the issues at hand but it's hard to have a serious conversation when there's all this hate being thrown about right in front of you. That's why these discussions never really achieve anything. I don't know how you solve it.

The internet's kinda fucked. I think it's a lot better than it was in some ways, I guess it's worse in others. You can find likeminded people who you enjoy talking to but you can just as easily expose yourself to a massive mindfuck that really messes you up.

 

[obonicus]

It's really unfortunate that this firestorm happened and one of the most vocal critics has a blog post outlining her beliefs on misandry (meaning everyone is gonna discredit her now--whether or not they should being besides the point)

Whether she should be discredited is completely beside the point. She may very well be crazy or an idiot; that doesn't excuse people sending anyone death or rape threats, ever. People are going 'she was rude to that guy', but without even considering what sort of hatred barrage she was under.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

It's really unfortunate that this firestorm happened and one of the most vocal critics has a blog post outlining her beliefs on misandry (meaning everyone is gonna discredit her now--whether or not they should being besides the point), because I think this is a conversation worth having without the extremes of each side being fucking assholes to each other.

Of course, people pointing that good point of conversation may also disassociate with the person that admitted that didn't want to give a good example to anyone in her misandy post.

(of course, that is a way different point than tolerating death threats or abusive behavior)

 

[BUNTING1243]

Whether she should be discredited is completely beside the point. She may very well be crazy or an idiot; that doesn't excuse people sending anyone constant death or rape threats, ever. People are going 'she was rude to that guy', but without even considering what sort of hatred barrage she was under.

Oh of fucking course. I said that because I don't think she should be discredited because of that blog post.

I really really really didn't want that to sound like I am justifying rape or death threats. I meant that it might just make her argument invalid to people who might've listened otherwise. Obviously death and rape threats are never justified.

 

[daydream]

I logged onto the internet again and saw someone mention that they would be bummed if Drew didn't appear in much video content anymore. Is that some rumor?

Nah, just speculation by someone. I don't think we'll be seeing less of Drew. Maybe he won't be in as many QLs anymore, but the past week was an exception, anyway.

 

[ab.aeterno]

A sneak peek of tomorrows quick look.