OMG Wrestling is Fake, why do you watch this crap
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Shadowlink
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They're probably tired of Cena winning all the time.
Its fake as shit, and I don't watch it anymore. But when I was a kid I really liked it. Its just for entertainment. I'm guessing the dude complaining probably thought it was real and when he found out it wasn't it ruined his world. He probably made it his mission in life to making everyone see the truth... about grown men in underwear hitting/rubbing up against each other. I will say one good thing about it though. When I was a kid I remember thinking the undertaker really had supernatural powers. That dude busted through the ring middle of the fucking wrestling ring and dragged someone under! I was like WTF JUST HAPPENED HOLY SHIIIIIIT!!!1 I miss that feeling, good times 
I don't care about wrestling, but this is just stupid.
British Monsoon
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It's worth noting that the world of wrestling is far broader than the style presented in the WWE. Hell, just look at this match from Japan;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASVEQ6VGkQA
There are no storylines to consider here, just two guys who excite the crowd and are perceived as being very tough, physical wrestlers, competing for points in an annual tournament. The whole presentation, everything from the commentary, the camera work, the assembled press at ringside, is aimed at making the match itself the focus and the story and drama comes entirely from the wrestlers actions in the ring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASVEQ6VGkQA
There are no storylines to consider here, just two guys who excite the crowd and are perceived as being very tough, physical wrestlers, competing for points in an annual tournament. The whole presentation, everything from the commentary, the camera work, the assembled press at ringside, is aimed at making the match itself the focus and the story and drama comes entirely from the wrestlers actions in the ring.
Quoting this for extra emphasis. Watch this.
Mr. Luchador
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Dead Man Typing
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I feel sorry for people who take life so seriously that they can't enjoy pro wrestling.
Fox Mulder
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Everything is fake, even reality tv.
Because if you like combat sport, your time could be used better by watching the real thing.
Because if you like combat sport, your time could be used better by watching the real thing.
Yes, but the real thing is often as boring as shit.
Don't get me wrong - I love WWE, UFC, Kickboxing etc.
They just scratch certain itches
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
I keep quiet about it, because lord knows I like some dumb shit, but I really don't see the appeal. I guess you had to grow up with it.
AdventureMike
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This.
I have an appreciation for both WWE and UFC/Martial Arts but sometimes the real thing just doesn't deliver.
WWE atleast has a choreographed story that is being hand tailored for drama.
It's sad when people say it's fake. If they looked into the business and see how many people get hurt who train for years and took there head out there butts they see how fake it is. I hate when my friends say such things because I reply with well bad girls club is fake, that anime you just watched is fake, oh look Transformers in theaters now guess what? That's fake too! The real reason most people say it's fake or otherwise is to make themselfs feel better because they used to be a fan years ago but had friends who grew out of it and they want to look cool around them so they shun it out also. OP don't worry about what others think if you enjoy wrestling and this also goes for anything enjoy yourself and say fuck them.
Mattamus-Prime
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I still watch wrestling and I can't articulate why. But then I'll see something from Japan, Mexico, or Stardust and then I feel alright with the world.
Bolt Vanderhuge
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Until Adrian Peterson sacks his own QB and rips off his Vikings jersey revealing a Packers jersey underneath or the 7th inning stretch of a Yankees/Red Sox game gets interrupted with "My God, that's Roger Clemens' music! What the hell is he doing here and more importantly whose side is he on?" there will always be a place for wrestling's special, wonderful kind of dumb.
TheJollyCorner
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This is actually the reason it fascinates me now.
The human meat-grinder that guys like Vince McMahon have created is just really tragically interesting. Pro Wrestling might not be considered a real sport, but the amount of ruined & lost lives that have been left in its wake is hard to ignore.
These guys bust their asses for this entertainment.
Watch a documentary called 'Beyond the Mat' or even Aronofsky's film The Wrestler. Makes you think of pro wrestling a bit more than a bunch of juiced up guys in silly outfits over-acting.
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Wrestling is fun
Isn't that just more reason to disapprove of it?
HerbertFish
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Next you'll tell me Breaking Bad wasn't a documentary.
n64coder
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When I was 10-11, I followed wrestling and I thought it was real. I remember my grandfather telling me that it was fake but I didn't believe him. The bubble burst when I went to some pro wrestling event at a local high school. Then I realized it was fake. Never again did I watch wrestling.
Bucket Mouse
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In reference to the OP's question, I don't personally go out of my way to tell wrestling fans it's fake because I'm pretty sure they're aware of that by now.
As for why I don't like wrestling, it boils down to the idea that watching sports is about rooting for an individual or team who have a genuine chance of winning a competition based on their athleticism and the thrill/tension of seeing that play out live. Sure, you can admire a wrestler's dedication or technical skill, but you just don't get that dynamic when the outcome has been predetermined.
One of my good friends is an absolute wrestling nut and has everything WWE/F have ever put out on DVD. At this point, I can see it holds an entertainment value for him beyond that of a regular sport, something that is part-nostalgia for his childhood and part-belonging to a community. I understand the argument that watching wrestling is like watching a scripted action film, but
1) films aim for verisimilitude, whereas I can't help seeing the fake punches and kicks that don't connect in wrestling;
2) an action or fight scene in a movie is worthless to me without a quality story to give it context;
and 3) the palette for wrestling stories is very limited, amounting to juvenile spats, affairs and...other things that contrive people to get in a ring and smack talk each other (with the the profanity reined in to be able to sell children's merchandise). Then there's the earnest Republican patriotism that annoys international audiences, the latent racism, the objectification of women...
From a UK perspective, equating wrestling to soap operas does a disservice to UK soap operas. For the record I think they are trash, but you have to respect that these things are on every single day and the writers constantly have to contrive compelling new storylines that feel realistic. As much as it pains me to say, the quality of dialogue and acting in a soap is far beyond anything in a wrestling match.
So ultimately, for people who don't like wrestling it boils down to the competition angle being unsatisfactory, the core action being unsatisfactory and the storylines being unsatisfactory. What's left after that?
As for why I don't like wrestling, it boils down to the idea that watching sports is about rooting for an individual or team who have a genuine chance of winning a competition based on their athleticism and the thrill/tension of seeing that play out live. Sure, you can admire a wrestler's dedication or technical skill, but you just don't get that dynamic when the outcome has been predetermined.
One of my good friends is an absolute wrestling nut and has everything WWE/F have ever put out on DVD. At this point, I can see it holds an entertainment value for him beyond that of a regular sport, something that is part-nostalgia for his childhood and part-belonging to a community. I understand the argument that watching wrestling is like watching a scripted action film, but
1) films aim for verisimilitude, whereas I can't help seeing the fake punches and kicks that don't connect in wrestling;
2) an action or fight scene in a movie is worthless to me without a quality story to give it context;
and 3) the palette for wrestling stories is very limited, amounting to juvenile spats, affairs and...other things that contrive people to get in a ring and smack talk each other (with the the profanity reined in to be able to sell children's merchandise). Then there's the earnest Republican patriotism that annoys international audiences, the latent racism, the objectification of women...
From a UK perspective, equating wrestling to soap operas does a disservice to UK soap operas. For the record I think they are trash, but you have to respect that these things are on every single day and the writers constantly have to contrive compelling new storylines that feel realistic. As much as it pains me to say, the quality of dialogue and acting in a soap is far beyond anything in a wrestling match.
So ultimately, for people who don't like wrestling it boils down to the competition angle being unsatisfactory, the core action being unsatisfactory and the storylines being unsatisfactory. What's left after that?
Marvel
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No?
They truly love what they do.
That way of thinking then you should disapprove of a whole manner of contact sports.
The Faceless Master
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Because if you like combat sport, your time could be used better by watching the real thing.
but it's not a combat sport, it's sports entertainment. they're not the same thing, even if they look similar to a casual observer.
Phobophile
A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
It's a soap opera for meatheads.
mangochutney
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Imagine if your entire life was predetermined. Imagine how your actions would change as a result.
That's why people don't like it.
But don't get upset that someone says to you 'but it's fake how can I like it when it is fake'. Not everyone likes everything.
That's why people don't like it.
But don't get upset that someone says to you 'but it's fake how can I like it when it is fake'. Not everyone likes everything.
The Elite
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XFL should have been more of this and less of actually trying to be another legitimate football league.
It's fine that people don't like things. People are allowed to not like things but the OP is talking about people who love to remind fans that it's fake and then shit all over it. That kind of behaviour sucks when it comes to anything, not just wrestling.
There is saying you don't like something and then there is taking a shit on other people for liking something.
Vermillion
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Proud of my love the WWE, oh and it's better than Fencing.
You ain't shit
Marvel
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OverBlood 3
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Because it used to be hilarious. Now I only watch Botchamania. JEEEEYSUSSS!
I think if one were to watch the Austin-McMahon feud in its entirety from 1997 to 1999, he or she would understand why people watch pro-wrestling: for dramatic action and interesting storylines.
Really, defending wrestling "against" someone who didn't grew up watching it is, most of the time, useless. Unless I show them some footage from the Attitude Era, in which many people - previously not being wrestling fans - were into RAW is WAR and Monday Nitro every week.
Really, defending wrestling "against" someone who didn't grew up watching it is, most of the time, useless. Unless I show them some footage from the Attitude Era, in which many people - previously not being wrestling fans - were into RAW is WAR and Monday Nitro every week.
Because if you like combat sport, your time could be used better by watching the real thing.
Brock Lesnar became UFC champ
Kurt Angle won a Gold Medal for USA
Both are big names in sports entertaiment
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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i dont think people who bash pro wrestling and then go watch mma realize how closely the history of the two is intertwined and that modern mma as we know it basically spun out of shoot style pro wrestling in japan and that most of the early mma guys were also pro wrestlers and that this whole mma as a completely separate thing didnt really happen until dana white deliberately tried to get rid of all of pro wrestlings influences in mma mainly because these are the kind of people who didnt start watching mma until 2006
lunchtoast
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Could someone explain the process of the fighting and how it's staged? I've only seen that fox special on how they do it but that's old and didn't seem accurate.
Is every move thought out or are they just told who's going to win the fight and they improvise until they want the fight to end?
Do they have scripts for all the backstage drama or just follow an outline?
Is every move thought out or are they just told who's going to win the fight and they improvise until they want the fight to end?
Do they have scripts for all the backstage drama or just follow an outline?
Because if you like combat sport, your time could be used better by watching the real thing.
Wrestling fans don't care about combat sport. That's boring to me. I want to see crowd interaction, Undertaker throwing fireballs, people doing backflips from the top rope to the floor, and honestly the art of people pretending to fight live and being able to trick the audience into believing they're really hurting each other. (Even an audience that knows it's fake will OOHH and AHHH over moves) It's like a magic show sometimes. I can't stand the wrestling matches where people drop guys on their head for real and really punch each other. I have zero respect for the Japanese matches where a wrestler is powerbombing someone on their head or hitting each other with glass. That takes no creativity or talent. That's just stupid. I appreciate wrestling for the slight of hand trickery. I don't care about seeing people really fight.
SpideySenses
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I agree with the majority of your post (which is unfortunate as a wrestling fan) but I do want to chime in about the dialogue and acting. Pro wrestlers aren't just actors, they're a jack of all trades, master of none. Working matches and hyping matches are completely different skill sets than simply acting, so that isn't a 1:1 comparison. Also, dialogue in wrestling sucks now but that wasn't always the case. At one point, wrestling promos weren't scripted by writers (which are mainly soap writers, go figure), instead wrestlers would often cut promos on the fly, which resulting in much more real, natural dialogue.
TheWarrior
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Depends on the wrestler. Randy Savage was known for planning every move out for instance but Ric Flair called everything in the ring. They almost always know at least how the match will end though. If you watch the matches closely a lot of times you can hear them calling their moves.
tt depends on the era. During the attuitude era of the late 90's / early 00's the promos were just outlines. Now it's much more scripted. As far as the matches they're usually given a timeline of how long the match should last with the referee reminding them. At lot of times moves are improvised during the match depending on the flow.
Dastardly Jerks
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It's not for me, personally. But wrassling has done great things for pop culture and for entertainment. It has a rich history of actors and certainly has earned it's accolades as an entertainment form and it's really hard to deny that given how long the big name brands have been going on for and the general rise of The Rock and Steve Cold as household names.
If anyone tries to disregard it, they can go fuck themselves.
If anyone tries to disregard it, they can go fuck themselves.
Systemwarrior
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