It was always more talk then wrestling, Always.
Only difference is now the mid card is held back from performing to their fullest abilities in order to make that same boring "lol I win now" Cena match not look more horrible then it already does.
OMG Wrestling is Fake, why do you watch this crap
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It was always more talk then wrestling, Always.
Only difference is now the mid card is held back from performing to their fullest abilities in order to make that same boring "lol I win now" Cena match not look more horrible then it already does.
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There are some people who still say shit like this about video games. Yet here we are all posting on a forum primarily dedicated to gaming.
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Part of the joy is the fact that some of us have been following his career since 2002 so to see him on top of the world is extremely exciting and humbling considering where he started from. And while he didn't overcome anything in the ring, he certainly had to overcome the backstage politics and the myriad of other issues.
I'm not even really a fan anymore, but I bet if you were honest and laid out all your interests I could find something just as "silly and juvenile". Now climb down from your tower before you get a nose bleed.
There is an infinite amount of so called idiotic entertainment that people enjoy watching. If it's their free time and said folks are meeting their obligations then let them do what they want. I don't see why people have to take the time to cut it down. Granted wrestling doesn't get a free pass as many other forms of entertainment, but part of the reason is some idiots still think it's a sport. Cats been outta the bag a loooooooooooooong time. It's a show. It might be a dumb show, but it's a show that many people enjoy on many different levels. What I see when I'm watching it is totally different from someone else who hates it. But anyone who thinks it's something easy to do is an idiot. Every time a guest host comes on the show they seem completely lost. No doubt it's not something an ordinary person can do.
In the end, at least it's not anime.
In the end, at least it's not anime.
I love DBZ
If all wrestling was WWE, sure, it would be directed towards young people. But there's hundreds of promotions.
Sort of when people think "anime" is some kind of specific genre.
Hey look a mature adult. Please teach us.
Man I wish I could be super mature like you.
But he did, massively. Not in the ring, but in his career, he overcome great odds and got higher than anyone expected him to. You don't solely enjoy it for the scripted result of a match, and it does mean more than that to someone who has followed the man's career for years and years.
Trying to trivialise the moment for him by saying "sure it's scripted, who cares" is wrong on two levels, first that it was a great accomplishment for him to get to that level in spite of everything working against him outside of the ring, and second that any movie ending people enjoy could be trivialised by saying "it's not real lol", instead of enjoying a story.
If you watch wresting and immediately think it looks "gay", then that probably says more about you then it does the fans.
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It bothers you that the Sopranos is scripted?
Wrestling being dumb is the reason why a lot of people watch it.
No, not even close. Anyway, you don't watch wrestling for Academy Award performances.
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Horse's owners right here people.
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Of course not. It's not masquerading as a reality show though.
This I get.
Compared to wrestling, I think the writing can be considered top tier.
Ah I see. So you have issues with shows like The Office, Parks & Rec, Brooklyn Nine-Nine or Derek for instance as well?
Which means nothing since you said it's not good to begin with. The Sopranos went waaaaay downhill in the later seasons.
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Who gives a shit what other people say about what I like
The point is everyone thinks their taste and judgment is refined when it's all subjective anyway.
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Not a healthy way to live though, before you know it you have a horror story like Pamperchu on your hands
Linking the image because it can be unsettling:
http://i.imgur.com/14kWTxI.jpg
Those are all fictional television shows, all of which have better scripts and acting than the last episode of WWE Raw. I don't despise or laugh at people for liking wrestling, so feel free to watch it yourself. I would never laugh at complete strangers for liking something I dislike.
While this is the right attitude to have, if you like wrestling, I'm sure you've had that person follow you around to tell you it's fake. It's annoying as shit. I like that it's fake. It gives the real moments more meaning.
I don't care if you like it or not, or think the writing that's bad. That's not what I was commenting on. It's all your other reasoning that's wonky to me.
For instance: "Those are all fictional television shows"
So is this. It's fiction, with actors playing roles.
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I would certainly hope they would, their budgets are huge!
I just bury them. I learned from the best.
Also GODDAMNIT SUNNY I got like 2 posts down and then gave up. I'll have nightmares forever
Well said.
The whole Bryan story was more real than a lot of movies are. He overcame real world odds and challenges that led them to write that story and make him win. Bryan's win was real even if the on-screen story wasn't.
I don't think some people realize than winning in wrestling has real implications to the wrestlers and that when you support someone you want to see them win, not because of the story on-screen, but because you want to see the person succeed and see their hard work pay-off.
And that it's more real than pretty much any form of entertainment.
Honestly, a lot of my interest comes from seeing how predictable things are and how much i can decipher before things get revealed. For example, back during the attitude era when they constantly did over the top shit, any time there wasn't a ramp leading to the ring it meant that a vehicle of some kind was going to make it's way to the ring hence why the ramp wouldn't be there. And 9 times out of 10 it would always come out at the end the show like when stone cold brought out the beer truck and sprayed Vince
I can understand that. That's fair but it seems like people were genuinely surprised that he won. The guy had the one of the biggest followings in wrestling in pretty much forever and for what seemed like it spanned forever considering he was consistently being screwed over and held down by the authority (from a storyline persepective, can't speak on the actual backstage politics) the idea that he'd get his comeuppance at their highest rated PPV event of the entire year didn't seem like anything but predictable. That's not to take away from the moment but i just don't see how people who can recognize how scripted wrestling is wouldn't have seen that coming
My other reasoning is that the writing, acting, and performance is poor. I don't know what is so confusing about that. I don't know why you would even try and make a distinction between a show filmed in moc doc fashion and a regular sitcom. No one on the planet thinks that Andy Samburg is an actual NY city police officer.
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wrestling is gay
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
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A great wrestling match is like a 20-30+ minute action scene that tells its own little story. When it involves characters and a storytline you're invested in it's especially compelling. There's nothing like it.
The real side of wrestling is also part of the draw to a lot of fans, which is something people don't get. The backstage politics, dirtsheet drama, following pushes and watching guys rise and fall. These are things are just as interesting as the on the on screen product--more so a lot of the time.
I don't defend being a wrestling fan. We all realize that on some level it's silly. So what. Half the people who shit on it were watching during the NWO/Attitude era with everyone else.
The real side of wrestling is also part of the draw to a lot of fans, which is something people don't get. The backstage politics, dirtsheet drama, following pushes and watching guys rise and fall. These are things are just as interesting as the on the on screen product--more so a lot of the time.
I don't defend being a wrestling fan. We all realize that on some level it's silly. So what. Half the people who shit on it were watching during the NWO/Attitude era with everyone else.
Because those moments when the WWE follows up on a good predictable outcome that the fans want is few and far between these days. He lost the world championship at wrestlemania in 18 seconds.
And the real moments are not what people think they are, like people saying that Daniel Bryan didn't really win. I'm pretty sure his tears weren't fake.
It doesn't matter though. The people who enjoy the product can separate everything and enjoy it for, like I said, many different reasons.
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Embrace it and you will find something special
but chikara sucks =/
The original plan was for Batista vs Orton. It only changed because of fan participation.
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On that same side of the coin, though, I don't know why you would even try and compare a network television show to what is basically sub-soap opera level acting with a heavy focus on live action scenes
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FE gay isn't gendered brah
adding women doesn't un-gay anything nor is it negative
embrace everyone
adding women doesn't un-gay anything nor is it negative
embrace everyone
Actual real response I've gotten from saying this:
"But movies and TV shows aren't trying to be real"
Wrestling is a totally unique beast. Scripted content that also requires real athleticism and encourages interaction from the crowd. Like an interactive play, except way more entertaining.
A lot of today's mainstream product is fucking horrible, but that's not because it's fake. It's because the writing and booking is god awful. Some of the better moments in wrestling (Austin vs. Bret at Wrestlemania 13, Mankind/Taker Hell in a Cell, Punk/Cena MITB 2011) are just as engaging and emotional as a Breaking Bad, imo. Unfortunately, you get that kind of stuff once or twice a year, if you're lucky.
I guess my mind works differently but I never associated wrestling with being gay, or looking gay, or what not. I just didn't.
I mean yeah we had gold dust and I guess part of that was playing up on said audience fears. But you have to be real uncomfortable with who you are for not watching or hating for that particular reason.
I mean yeah we had gold dust and I guess part of that was playing up on said audience fears. But you have to be real uncomfortable with who you are for not watching or hating for that particular reason.
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Most people I know that hate wrestling pretty much hate all sorts of things. The world just pisses them off. Anything they don't like is either dumb or sucks.
Every laid back person I know is at the very least, ok with it, even if they don't watch.
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