NumberThree
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Jeff said no on his blog
bigwinnerx
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Outwards on handicapped stalls though. Being one who likes to use the big stall when it's open and there isn't anyone in my office in a wheelchair.
Jimmyfenix
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CosmicQueso
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So The Desert Rats, Rommel, El Alamein, the whole entry of the United States into the conflict, Rick Atkinson's Pulitzer Prize winning An Army at Dawn, and how about fucking Raiders of the Lost Ark... the African campaign has to be sought out?
I weep for the future.
I weep for the future.
Outwards on handicapped stalls though. Being one who likes to use the big stall when it's open and there isn't anyone in my office in a wheelchair.
Fair point. And yes, I too enjoy taking a luxury poo if I think I can get away with it.
the future? you are talking about two 30-35 year old dudes. lol
Hot Coldman
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it's called World War II for a reason
CosmicQueso
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Not just them, but the others that are saying no one knows about it.
It makes my head hurt to think that there are probably many who think that Normandy were the first boots on the ground in the conflict, that the Italian campaign never happened, that the Eastern Front was no big deal... people who forget history are doomed to repeat it, etc etc.
The US was close to getting its ass kicked right out of Tunisia, and had that happened the entire western world could very well be speaking German right now.
I definitely had to seek it out. It probably depends on where you're from but the way I was taught about WW2 in school was extremely lacking. Almost everything I know that isn't "Hitler wanted to kill jews", I had to learn on my own. It is super sad but I'm really not surprised to hear that some people don't know about the african front.
funkystudent
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When did we start calling world war II "world war II"?
Like... at what point did we as a people decide this was WWI and this other war was its follow up.
Like... at what point did we as a people decide this was WWI and this other war was its follow up.
EmCeeGramr
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i feel like we all need to have perspective on this and remember that dan wrote a book about pro wrestling, as well as two books (one with a foreword by Jose Canseco) about an alligator that flies planes
Actually fairly early, IIRC. I know people called WWI the World War not long after it ended (or even during it?), and within the first year of German invasions, people were calling it "the second World War."
Actually fairly early, IIRC. I know people called WWI the World War not long after it ended (or even during it?), and within the first year of German invasions, people were calling it "the second World War."
At least in my schools in the American South, we were pretty much exclusively taught about the European Theater, with a little bit of info here and there about the Pacific. I honestly don't think we've talked about Africa in WWII even once, and I'm about to graduate college.
The first time I'd heard of any fighting going on in Africa was from the demo of Call of Duty 2.
The first time I'd heard of any fighting going on in Africa was from the demo of Call of Duty 2.
Jimmyfenix
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Is Dan's books any good?
Nah PS4 has this weird notification when your friends join a party, any party. It's kinda bizarre.
MiniBossBattle
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Boo. I had this weird dream that him and Dave Lang shared a hotel room and made a giant pancake in a rice cooker together. They would then just make side bets on non-main even tournaments and then end up getting food poisoning at a buffet and watch the tournament on a tiny laptop in their hotel room.
That is totally bizarre. Oh well, if Cigs66 is joining a party I want to know. I'd get a PS4 just for that.
ab.aeterno
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I'm not sure I even know anyone who knows about the China/Burma/India theater, let alone Africa.
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I knew that Africa was a theater in the war, but cmon now, we're all brought up to the landing on Normandy and retribution for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. The African theater is barely mentioned or given even an ounce of attention compared to the rest.
But yeah, I'm sure they were just joking around and feigning ignorance for effect but i haven't seen the QL so who knows.
But yeah, I'm sure they were just joking around and feigning ignorance for effect but i haven't seen the QL so who knows.
bigwinnerx
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Was Jeff's Mixlr this morning any calmer than yesterday? Even that got heated in the chat though don't remember him addressing anything at the time.
funkystudent
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I want to get a notification whenever Cig66 joins a party. Because any party with Cig66 is a party I want to be at!
I think someone came up with the term "world war" before the first one even started. I'm almost 100% sure I read that somewhere.
CosmicQueso
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Edit: Just nevermind.
SlowRevolution
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this thread got dark real fast
It isn't like they'd never heard of World War 2. I disagree with the assertion that specifics of locations of some battles of the war are important history.
EmCeeGramr
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My point is that when you think about it, it's not really surprising that Jeff and Jeff #2 aren't that knowledgeable about history.
CosmicQueso
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The fuck?
I hear you. It's just makes me very sad.
I cannot see how that can be considered unintentionally comical in any way.
In what way is it important? How is it significant or impactful in any way to the average person so that they need to know where every battle of any given war took place?
It's war trivia, it's not vital information. The reasons for the war and why the war escalated in the way it did, the actual events leading to the end of the war (as opposed to just "The US came and won everything"), the number of people whose lives it impacted and ended, these are important things to know about World War 2. The locations it was fought in are not.
NumberThree
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They even had African maps in Battlefield 1942!
TheBaronOfNA
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Piskaryovskoye Memorial Cemetery in Saint Petersburg is the resting place of 470,000 civilians and soldiers who died in and around Leningrad. They are buried in 186 mass graves with nothing more than a tombstone with a year put on it.
Talk about all of us needing to have perspective.
I walked by every one of those mounds. They are massive. Also walked through Mauthausen, across the cliffs of Pointe du Hoc, and across the fields of the Battle of Verdun (different war, but still). That'll give you some perspective.
Only 70 years later... oh well I guess.
You can, you know, email them about that...
There's a difference between knowing about every single battles and knowing about one of the biggest theater of the war.
"No idea" is a bit strong. We all have brain farts now and then, usually followed up with "oh shit, of course". It's not like he engaged in a 10 minute conversation about the African front not existing.
Did you watch it? That was no brain fart.
Knowing that WWII spanned continents is valuable information.
The American Civil War happened! North won!
Where did it take place?
Who gives a shit! American probably?
Knowing that WWII spanned continents is valuable information.
The American Civil War happened! North won!
Where did it take place?
Who gives a shit! American probably?
Eh, that's reductive.
Its an extremely serious, heavy response to a really light post that doesnt really warrant the response. You really dont see how the whiplash and instant escalation of "Dan wrote Air Force Gator haha" to "PEOPLE DIED IVE WALK PAST THEIR GRAVES" can come off as comic?
uomoartificiale
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Well, I guess if you're italian like me or british, then you have to know those facts.
wait WW2 wasn't about america and how america was affronted by the japanese and then we dropped the bombs and won the war?
that's what they taught us in school and movies.
EmCeeGramr
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To know the reasons for why something took place is to also consider its geographical location and the history of that location; it's also important for studying the impacts in those locations years later.
As a whippersnapper correspondent who is still in high school and just covered World War II this past school year, we definitely learned about the front in Africa, the occupation of Paris, and even less commonly covered topics like Japanese internment camps. We did a bunch of everything. I can't speak for every school and every teacher though -- I had a good teacher. But the notion of some saying things like, "future generations are doomed!" is silly. If anything, many of these topics are being taught more as they become less taboo.
That said, condemning people for not being knowledgeable on a topic does not encourage learning. It makes those people feel bad. Instead, how about making recommendations or going about enlightening those people on things you deem important in a reasonable way? The insults and melodrama are counterproductive and a bit much.
That said, condemning people for not being knowledgeable on a topic does not encourage learning. It makes those people feel bad. Instead, how about making recommendations or going about enlightening those people on things you deem important in a reasonable way? The insults and melodrama are counterproductive and a bit much.
That's all great if you're a war historian or interested in history as a hobby, or if you're an international politician. Or even if there's something significant that can be tied back to those events and you go to get more information about it out of curiosity. It's absolutely not information that must be known by every citizen of every country. And it's also not something I ever covered in any class in my experience up to and including college courses. It isn't part of basic education for most of the world and it isn't vital information for the daily lives of those people who didn't learn about it, so it's 100% understandable for somebody to not be aware of it. I knew that the war was fought in North Africa. But I don't care one bit if somebody else didn't know that.
edit: The pop culture/ Patton connection might even be understandable. I've never seen Patton so I can't comment on how clear the setting was made in the movie, but I didn't really remember that where Casablanca took place. Eventually I probably would have gotten there, but when I first read it brought up in this discussion my first reaction was "Oh, right, that was set in Africa"
edit 2: Obviously I'm not saying anybody should celebrate that they don't know detailed history, just that they shouldn't be derided for it. There's way too much shit for everybody to know everything.
TheBaronOfNA
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MadLaughter
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Most I've ever agreed with a high schooler.
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