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[TEJ]

It is actually really bizarre how many of you so readily pick and choose what you read out of the entire "Superman" continuity, despite being self-proclaimed fans of the character. I mean I guess if I only picked all the good scenes involving Naruto, I would enjoy Naruto more as well.

1: a good portion of the old superman comics just plain don't exist or are incredibly rare due to how people treated old comics.

2: 75 years of the character means i'd not only have to pay many millions {yes, a lot of the old supes comics are that valuable} and probably spend every minute of the rest of my life reading them. Including spinoffs and elseworld stories

3: Like I said, 75 years worth of superman comics and some of them, mostly 40's superman comics, are worth more than i'll make in my lifetime.

 

[kswiston]

To a manga reader, saying "you don't need to read all Batman storylines" is like telling an ASOIAF reader that they don't need to read all the books, or all the perspectives.

It's a lot closer to Forgotten Realms than ASOIAF. I can play Baldur's Gate 2 without feeling compelled to play Demon Stone. If I actually wanted to read any of those novels (I hear they are not that great), I could read Icewind Dale without reading the other 150 books.

 

[DUFFMCWALIN]

The problem I have with manga (that I've read) is that its based too much on younger characters. I honestly can't read another god damn high school story (the same goes for a lot of superhero runs though in that they reuse a lot of the same story elements, however I haven't read much in the last 4 years).

 

[ReiGun]

It is actually really bizarre how many of you so readily pick and choose what you read out of the entire "Superman" bibliography, despite being self-proclaimed fans of the character. I mean I guess if I only picked all the good scenes involving Naruto, I would enjoy Naruto more as well.

But I don't, because it doesn't really make sense to me whatsoever.

Not really. Like TetraxShards said up page, it's close to how people consume Doctor Who or Star Trek than something like ASoIF. Not everyone whose a fan of Star Wars has read every bit of the expanded universe stuff. Not every James Bond fan has seen all the movies, and I'd wager most haven't touched the books. Among all those groups are folks who pick and choose what they want to read and watch. Not a unique situation at all.

If a person really wanted to, they could read every Batman story ever published. Some people have. But it's not really strange that some would choose not to try and delve into the fullness of 75 years of published works and instead just read what interests them.

 

[TetraxShards]

To a manga reader, saying "you don't need to read all Batman storylines" is like telling an ASOIAF reader that they don't need to read all the books, or all the perspectives.

Yeah, I guess I can skip the Reek chapters because they weren't to my taste, and AFFC was dull as shit, but it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I think it reflects poorly on a series if people insist that you skip this or that book, or chapter, or whatever.

This is definitely not the norm in the world of serialized storytelling, except in one medium: Fanfiction. Only in fandom is it absolutely necessary to sift through mountains of shit to get to the gold nuggets, even though all fanfiction for a series utilize similar assets and settings.

It is actually really bizarre how many of you so readily pick and choose what you read out of the entire "Superman" bibliography, despite being self-proclaimed fans of the character. I mean I guess if I only picked all the good scenes involving Naruto, I would enjoy Naruto more as well.

But I don't, because it doesn't really make sense to me whatsoever.

It would take too long, and it would cost too much.

Let's take Superman, look at everything on this list.. It's not one person's singular vision. It's the combined work of hundreds, if not thousands, of people. Not all of it is relevant. Not all of it is canon. Much of it is going to be extremely dated, which is what happens when a character has been in continous publication for over 75 years. I don't see why I have to spend time and money reading it all, when I could just get "Superman: Birthright" and just pick and choose from there.

For me, it's like telling someone to start with season 3 of Star Trek TNG, or stopping watching Scrubs when the main cast leaves. If I loved reading it because I enjoyed the writing and art, and those factors change, why continue? Would you keep reading ASOIAF if George Martin keels over and Brandon Sanderson finishes it? You're talking about characters that are literally in every form of media. It's quite possible to be a Superman fan without being a comic book fan. One of my friends has a giant S shield tattooed on his chest and has never read a Superman comic. For that matter, why should I suffer through stuff just because I'm a fan? As a fan, shouldn't I have the good judgment to know when to stop?

 

[Kurita]

The problem I have with manga (that I've read) is that its based too much on younger characters. I honestly can't read another god damn high school story (the same goes for a lot of superhero runs though in that they reuse a lot of the same story elements, however I haven't read much in the last 4 years).

Well if you read stuff whose target audience is kids/teenagers of course the characters will be young. They can't identify to 30 something with bald spots.

 

[Haly]

3: Like I said, 75 years worth of superman comics and some of them, mostly 40's superman comics, are worth more than i'll make in my lifetime.

Fair enough, but even among modern works there's still a ton of picking and choosing. And furthermore, many modern storylines pretend Golden Age Supes doesn't exist, or brushes it under the carpet by relegating it to another dimension. In the same way, some fans have a bind spot when it comes to the less than illustrious origins of their favorite caped icons.

It's a lot closer to Forgotten Realms than ASOIAF. I can play Baldur's Gate 2 without feeling compelled to play Demon Stone. If I actually wanted to read any of those novels, I could read Icewind Dale without reading the other 150 books.

This may be true, but the way superhero comics present themselves to the non-comic book public says nothing of that. You can only arrive at this conclusion after having been a dedicated fan for some years.

And I would argue that the Forgotten Realm books, as a whole, are low on the totem pole of high fantasy, no matter how good some individual works or related properties are. If you say to me "I'm a fan of Forgotten Realms", I'm going to give you A Look. So when I see "I'm a fan of Superman" I have a similar gut reaction.

Would you keep reading ASOIAF if George Martin keels over and Brandon Sanderson finishes it?

Yes and no.

Yes, because I'd be curious to see how well the acclaimed Branderson handles ASOIAF.

No, because I wouldn't consider it "ASOIAF". To me, it would be "Branderson's ASOIAF", whereas the original would be "GRRM's ASOIAF". I would never say "I'm a fan of ASOIAF", but would specify exactly which property, the original, the continuation, or the adaptation, I'm referring to.

Superhero fans clearly can't do this because there's just too many disparate takes on any given hero to tie them all under a neat umbrella, so every claim of "I'm a fan of Superman", to me, is actually "I'm a fan of the bits of Superman that's actually worth reading."

Which can mean anything.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

To a manga reader, saying "you don't need to read all Batman storylines" is like telling an ASOIAF reader that they don't need to read all the books, or all the perspectives.

Yeah, I guess I can skip the Reek chapters because they weren't to my taste, and AFFC was dull as shit, but it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I think it reflects poorly on a series if people insist that you skip this or that book, or chapter, or whatever.

This is definitely not the norm in the world of serialized storytelling, except in one medium: Fanfiction. Only in fandom is it absolutely necessary to sift through mountains of shit to get to the gold nuggets, even though all fanfiction for a series utilize similar assets and settings.

It is actually really bizarre how many of you so readily pick and choose what you read out of the entire "Superman" continuity, despite being self-proclaimed fans of the character. I mean I guess if I only picked all the good scenes involving Naruto, I would enjoy Naruto more as well.

But I don't, because it doesn't really make sense to me whatsoever.

See, that's actually one of the things I love about mainstream superhero comics. You don't have to attach yourself wholeheartedly to hundreds of chapters or mediocre/bland/filler stories. Why? Because you enjoy the characters? If the stories no good, why bother? Especially with characters that have traded hands with hundreds of writers, artists, colorists, inkers, editors, etc with their own styles and ideas, why enslave yourself to a brand name? Hop in, hop out.

You can read Grant Morrison's New X-Men #114-154, get a complete story made of smaller story arcs that built to a real conclusion with actual character arcs and sub-plots and everything, and that's it. You don't have the read the shitty Chuck Austen comics that come after, or the big crossovers, or whatever. You don't have to keep spending money on stories that stretch on forever, or characters you enjoy being put in crap stories by creators you don't enjoy. Its just...over. Whee. Mission accomplished.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Canon stacked within canon like a Matryoshka doll is the best way I can describe the DC/Marvel universe. That is not at all appealing to people not already engrossed in the canon.

This is why I've mostly given up on mainstream US comics.

That said, I don't understand people who compartmentalize their reading, so much so that they only read manga or western comics, or will only read DC or Marvel.

Good comics are where you find them. And it generally takes some hunting.

 

[s_mirage]

Comics suck, but, graphic novels are godly. Comics suck because they are like shounen, heros have plot armor and status quo is god. There is never any sense of danger because you know they'll just be revived. Retcons, etc.

I'm not sure if you're serious. If so, you do realise that most graphic novels are collected comics don't you?

I like both manga and western comics. If the art and story appeal then chances are I'll like it. I have to agree with others here though that comics, superhero comics at least, do seem more intimidating to readers starting out. Even with reboots such as the New 52 there have been interconnecting plotlines across different books and, as Haly said, that can be an issue for manga fans used to having every aspect of the story presented in the same series.

I also suspect, and have witnessed on other forums, that there is elitism amongst some manga and anime fans. I remember seeing one scoff at western comics as childish crap, while at the same time professing their love of Naruto, all the time failing to spot the irony.

 

[Haly]

See, that's actually one of the things I love about mainstream superhero comics. You don't have to attach yourself wholeheartedly to hundreds of chapters or mediocre/bland/filler stories.

I don't.

When a manga goes to shit, I say as much. I'm not going to give Kishimoto a pass just because Part 1 was decent. Overall, if someone were to ask me what I thought of Naruto, I'd say it was a series with potential that squandered it.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Superhero fans clearly can't do this because there's just too many disparate takes on any given hero to tie them all under a neat umbrella, so every claim of "I'm a fan of Superman", to me, is actually "I'm a fan of the bits of Superman that's actually worth reading."

Which can mean anything.

Isn't this kinda implicit with uh...everything? I mean, do you like EVERYTHING your "insert favorite director/artist/actor/video game company/etc* do, or are you really just a fan of the parts that you liked? If someone tells you they're a big fan of manga, do you quiz them to narrow it down the exact number/style/genres of manga that like, just to be sure? Especially when they're not all connected with each other and work as individual products?

 

[Tacitus_]

That's just volume 1. There are 9 more after that. (All brilliant).

Well, one is better than none. I'll check it out when they get their copy back.

 

[Haly]

If someone tells you they're a big fan of manga, do you quiz them to narrow it down the exact number/style/genres of manga that like, just to be sure?

Yes.

Because, to be frank, most people's idea of "manga" consist what they see in the manga section in B&N, as you can see from this very thread, which is... a less than stellar selection of what manga has to offer, very skewed towards battle shounen and cheap romcoms.

Telling me "you read manga" is meaningless to me, although it does provide an avenue for more discussion vis-a-vis what kind of stuff you read, what genres you enjoy, etc.

 

[kswiston]

Isn't this kinda implicit with uh...everything? I mean, do you like EVERYTHING your "insert favorite director/artist/actor/video game company/etc* do, or are you really just a fan of the parts that you liked?

Naw man. You can't claim to be an Indy fan unless you loved the fridge nuke. Don't like Jar Jar? Not a Star Wars fan. All or nothing.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Yes.

Because, to be frank, most people's idea of "manga" consist what they see in the manga section in B&N, as you can see from this very thread, which is... a less than stellar selection of what manga has to offer, very skewed towards battle shounen and cheap romcoms.

Telling me "you read manga" is meaningless to me, although it does provide an avenue for more discussion vis-a-vis what kind of stuff you read, what genres you enjoy, etc.

Ok, but just realize that's 1) a bit weird and 2) not exclusive to mainstream superhero fans.

 

[captainnapalm]

To a manga reader, saying "you don't need to read all Batman storylines" is like telling an ASOIAF reader that they don't need to read all the books, or all the perspectives.

Yeah, I guess I can skip the Reek chapters because they weren't to my taste, and AFFC was dull as shit, but it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I think it reflects poorly on a series if people insist that you skip this or that book, or chapter, or whatever.

This is definitely not the norm in the world of serialized storytelling, except in one medium: Fanfiction. Only in fandom is it absolutely necessary to sift through mountains of shit to get to the gold nuggets, even though all fanfiction for a series utilize similar assets and settings.

It is actually really bizarre how many of you so readily pick and choose what you read out of the entire "Superman" bibliography, despite being self-proclaimed fans of the character. I mean I guess if I only picked all the good scenes involving Naruto, I would enjoy Naruto more as well.

But I don't, because it doesn't really make sense to me whatsoever.

There's just too much of it. Superman and Batman have been going since the 30s. And obviously comics published in the 40, 50s and 60s have very little relevance in terms of continuity, particularly as the DCU has rebooted a few times. The Marvel U is a bit tougher because they've never really rebooted and so there's important stuff dating back to the 60s.

Don't get me wrong, though, if you had the time and money, I'd totally recommend reading as much as you can. I still have pretty much every single Batman comic published between 1987 and 2002 at my mom's house, and a lot more from after that. Reading them all would take you on a really cool journey, across a number of different amazing runs featuring some incredible writers and artists.

I actually did read most of them in a row once long ago and it's why my standards are ridiculously high for what makes a good Batman story or representation of the character. In the late 80s some really great writers and artists captured the character in an incredibly sophisticated and literate way and a lot of the writers and artists who followed took that ball and ran with it. This was also an era of impressively lengthy runs from writers and even artists - a lot of them had years and years to explore the character and constantly build upon what they were doing.

 

[Haly]

It's not really "all or nothing" so much as that you should, as a fan, have the gumption to take the good with the bad.

"I love Miller's Superman: Red Son"

Okay great, good for you.

"I love Superman, but the only Superman stories I read and liked are Red Son and TAS."

Wait, what?

Ok, but just realize that's 1) a bit weird

Yes, I'm pretty weird.

2) not exclusive to mainstream superhero fans.

Not at all, I find that fans in all mediums (including anime, manga, whatever weeaboo interests people hate on these days) tend to selectively uphold bits of the subject of their adoration, while choosing not to recognize the faults. And it's grating wherever I happen to encounter it. If you're going to defend a work, then either defend all of it, or admit its flaws and stand by it nonetheless.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Superhero fans clearly can't do this because there's just too many disparate takes on any given hero to tie them all under a neat umbrella, so every claim of "I'm a fan of Superman", to me, is actually "I'm a fan of the bits of Superman that's actually worth reading."

Which can mean anything.

This is sort of a weird outsider perspective that's trying to force a way of looking at something to put it down.

I'm a fan of a lot of Superhero characters, but not all the material that they are in (or, these days, barely any of it). That doesn't mean I'm not a fan

Superhero comics exist episodically originally, with long-running continuity as an afterthought. Not being a fan of the continuity doesn't mean one doesn't like the character. Superman wasn't designed to be an ongoing story to run decades, but rather to be a character who appeared in stand-alone stories. Just because the comics you love were designed to be part of a consistent narrative world doesn't mean you can judge people for whom that isn't important.

I mean, I guess I'm sorry that you can't pick up a Spider-Man TPB, read it, and enjoy it for what it is without thinking "this is crap because Spider-Man foes like Hypno-Hustler and Big Wheel from decades ago are lame."

 

[ReiGun]

I'm not sure if you're serious. If so, you do realise that most graphic novels are collected comics don't you?

I like both manga and western comics. If the art and story appeal then chances are I'll like it. I have to agree with others here though that comics, superhero comics at least, do seem more intimidating to readers starting out. Even with reboots such as the New 52 there have been interconnecting plotlines across different books and, as Haly said, that can be an issue for manga fans used to having every aspect of the story presented in the same series.

I also suspect, and have witnessed on other forums, that there is elitism amongst some manga and anime fans. I remember seeing one scoff at western comics as childish crap, while at the same time professing their love of Naruto, all the time failing to spot the irony.

Most people do not realize this.

"Graphic novel" is just a marketing term used to sell comics to folks who turn their noses up at the traditional cape and cowl stuff. Collected volumes of Sandman are just as much comics as the latest issue of She-Hulk. Even something like Superman: Earth One, which was released as in standalone OGN format is still just a comic book.

It's not really "all or nothing" so much as that you should, as a fan, have the gumption to take the good with the bad.

"I love Miller's Superman: Red Son"

Okay great, good for you.

"I love Superman, but the only Superman stories I read and liked are Red Son and TAS."

Wait, what?

Sorry, but this is just some "true fan" bullshit. Being a Superman fan in no way requires liking everything, or even a majority of things, Superman is in. It just means liking Superman.

Not at all, I find that fans in all mediums (including anime, manga, whatever weeaboo interests people hate on these days) tend to selectively uphold bits of the subject of their adoration, while choosing not to recognize the faults. And it's grating wherever I happen to encounter it. If you're going to defend a work, then either defend all of it, or admit its flaws and stand by it nonetheless.

Picking and choosing what I want to read in no way translates to not recognizing the faults. I adore Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and the Black Panther. My three favorite superheroes, bar none. That said, all three of them have been in some garbage stories. Trying to avoid said garbage isn't "choosing not to recognize the faults." It's choosing not to waste my time on garbage if I can help it.

 

[Riposte]

Man, Rat Queens sounds and looks completely nauseating. Will not win weeaboo hearts. If superheroes are lowbrow compared to that, give me lowbrow.

 

[Haly]

Superhero comics exist episodically originally, with long-running continuity as an afterthought. Not being a fan of the continuity doesn't mean one doesn't like the character. Superman wasn't designed to be an ongoing story to run decades, but rather to be a character who appeared in stand-alone stories.

Yes, I know that. What I'm saying is, this is a difficult point of view for non-comic book fans to grasp, because it's a phenomenon that occurs mostly in superhero comics and few other mediums.

 

[TEJ]

It's not really "all or nothing" so much as that you should, as a fan, have the gumption to take the good with the bad.

"I love Miller's Superman: Red Son"

Okay great, good for you.

"I love Superman, but the only Superman stories I know are Red Son and TAS."

Wait, what?

Yes, I'm pretty weird.


Not at all, I find that fans in all mediums (including anime, manga, whatever weeaboo interests people hate on these days) tend to selectively uphold bits of the subject of their adoration, while choosing not to recognize the faults. And it's grating wherever I happen to encounter it. If you're going to defend a work, then either defend all of it, or admit its flaws and stand by it nonetheless.

i've read a few hundred superman comics

i've seen every superman movie a few times over {even superman 3 and 4, and superman meets the molemen}

I watched the animated series, the fleischer cartoons, the direct to video animated movies...etc

i've seen every episode of every superman TV show I could, including the 50's tv show with george reeves

I watch the justice league show, and bught injustice gods among us just to play as the character in a fighter.

Please don't tell me i'm not a fan...

 

[DUFFMCWALIN]

Well if you read stuff whose target audience is kids/teenagers of course the characters will be young. They can't identify to 30 something with bald spots.

It just seems like a lot of it is aimed at the age group (which is fine). I haven't found anything that I truly love yet.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Yes, I know that. What I'm saying is, this is a difficult point of view for non-comic book fans to grasp, because it's a phenomenon that occurs mostly in superhero comics and few other mediums.

It happens with almost every franchise property. Star Trek, Star Wars, James Bond, superheroes, etc. Anything that exists for any length of time and appears in different media.

I like Star Trek but huge swatches of it are terrible, and I'm not one to read franchise novels at all, never saw the Cartoon or Enterprise. I like Star Wars but never read a novel, didn't see Clone Wars, and haven't played KotOR. I love James Bond but never read the comics, didn't read more than a handful of the novels from the 80s, never watched the James Bond Jr TV show, and plenty of the movies are bad and even in the good ones, the continuity is terrible.

It happens plenty.

 

[besada]

That said, I don't understand people who compartmentalize their reading, so much so that they only read manga or western comics, or will only read DC or Marvel.

Good comics are where you find them. And it generally takes some hunting.

For that matter, why people see "Western" comics as solely super-hero comics, considering the wide range of non super-hero stuff available.

 

[andymcc]

"I love Superman, but the only Superman stories I read and liked are Red Son and TAS."

Wait, what?

Yes, I'm pretty weird.

I'm pretty sure you'd find plenty of people that have a casual interest in Batman that claim to love him based on the Nolan/Burton films.

I really don't see the issue here. There isn't some arbitrarily derived checklist that determines if someone likes something enough to be considered a "fan" based on the amount of media pertaining to a said character/series is consumed.

 

[PsychBat!]

While I understand their POV on how it feels to read a current super hero story without reading what happened years ago, I remain unconvinced about the supposed "ugly" art.

This is from Daredevil #30, this is an amazing splash page in which the colors are so sleek. While it looks cartoony, it still has that realistic feel. Brought to you by Chris Samnee on pencils and Javier Rodriguez on ink.

Now this is just... I have no words. Incredible. Brought to you by Greg Capullo on pencils and Danny Miki on ink.

This is the big one! Esad Ribic on beauitful pencils and Ive Svorcina on gorgeous ink.

 

[ReiGun]

For that matter, why people see "Western" comics as solely super-hero comics, considering the wide range of non super-hero stuff available.

A symptom of superheroes being the most visible.

That said, this thread does feel like some are choosing to freely ignore all the non-superhero stuff rather than just being unaware of it.

 

[Pegosaurus]

i like both

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

I Imagine that the information about what's good isn't as available as with other mediums. Yes, most know the masterpieces like MAUS, but if it came up in the last 4 years you have to do research to know it exist.

 

[Slayven]

Most people do not realize this.

"Graphic novel" is just a marketing term used to sell comics to folks who turn their noses up at the traditional cape and cowl stuff. Collected volumes of Sandman are just as much comics as the latest issue of She-Hulk. Even something like Superman: Earth One, which was released as in standalone OGN format is still just a comic book.


Sorry, but this is just some "true fan" bullshit. Being a Superman fan in no way requires liking everything, or even a majority of things, Superman is in. It just means liking Superman.


Picking and choosing what I want to read in no way translates to not recognizing the faults. I adore Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and the Black Panther. My three favorite superheroes, bar none. That said, all three of them have been in some garbage stories. Trying to avoid said garbage isn't "choosing not to recognize the faults." It's choosing not to waste my time on garbage if I can help it.

I hate when folks try to pull nerd cards

"Oh you read spiderman after OMD? then you must not like Spiderman."

get the fuck out of here with that shit.

 

[TEJ]

A symptom of superheroes being the most visible.

That said, this thread does feel like some are choosing to freely ignore all the non-superhero stuff rather than just being unaware of it.

i like to read non-superhero stuff

I even tried to get into manga, even though it was mostly unsuccessful.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

While I understand their POV on how it feels to read a current super hero story without reading what happened years ago, I remain unconvinced about the supposed "ugly" art.


This is from Daredevil #30, this is an amazing splash page in which the colors are so sleek. While it looks cartoony, it still has that realistic feel. Brought to you by Chris Samnee on pencils and Javier Rodriguez on ink.


Now this is just... I have no words. Incredible. Brought to you by Greg Capullo on pencils and Danny Miki on ink.


This is the big one! Esad Ribic on beauitful pencils and Ive Svorcina on gorgeous ink.

All some of the current GOAT artists.

 

[Haly]

For that matter, why people see "Western" comics as solely super-hero comics, considering the wide range of non super-hero stuff available.

Visibility. I believe the last time a non-superhero comic was mentioned in the OT was Sandman: Overture, which had a scant 2 pages. There was also another LTTP Sandman thread, 4 pages.

Meanwhile, in superheroland,

Spiderman is unlucky: 8 pages.
Green Arrow vs Batman: 4 pages.
Worst Supervillains: 6 pages

All within the last week, and this is ignoring the movie threads.

It's the same reason why many non-manga readers in this thread have a hard time looking past the Manga section at B&N. And when they do, it's some high profile mangaka like Tezuka or Urasawa, who, I guess, are like the Gaiman and Moore of the East.

Finally, this discussion would be very difficult if we were all namedropping more obscure authors, so everyone just defaults to the lowest common denominator, superheroes vs battle shounen.

 

[Johnlenham]

Murata Yusuke's stuff looks mad. One gif is form One punch man but whats the robot one from? will have to check them out.

I read both types but yeah trying to jump in with Dc/Marvel is abit much for me. Reading complete arks like Franke Millers Batman ones and so on is more my thing.
The Walking dead being an exception mind you.

 

[Haly]

Murata Yusuke's stuff looks mad. One gif is form One punch man but whats the robot one from? will have to check them out.

Also One Punch Man, that's Metal Knight.

 

[Kurita]

Murata Yusuke's stuff looks mad. One gif is form One punch man but whats the robot one from? will have to check them out.

Same manga.
Based. :bow

 

[andymcc]

It's the same reason why many non-manga readers in this thread have a hard time looking past the Manga section at B&N. And when they do, it's some high profile mangaka like Tezuka or Urasawa, who, I guess, are like the Gaiman and Moore of the East.

Ehh, Tezuka is far more important to manga than Gaiman or Moore are to Western comics, as great as those two are.

I get what you're trying to say, though.

 

[Johnlenham]

Also One Punch Man, that's Metal Knight.

Same manga.
Based. :bow

haha wut.

Well I will check them out. The only manga I still read regularly is One Piece, Bersek (lol regular) and Hunter X Hunter (loooool i swear this has just stoped outright)

 

[besada]

Finally, this discussion would be very difficult if we were all namedropping more obscure authors, so everyone just defaults to the lowest common denominator, superheroes vs battle shounen.

Well, it might be interesting then. Right now it's sort of like asking why do some people like comedy and some drama, when your only representations of the two are "Big Bang Theory" and "Grey's Anatomy."

 

[HK-47]

Some people here need to check out Vertigo and Image.

 

[kswiston]

Ehh, Tezuka is far more important to manga than Gaiman or Moore are to Western comics, as great as those two are.

I get what you're trying to say, though.

Ya, he is probably more comparable to Jack Kirby or Will Eisner.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Well, it might be interesting then. Right now it's sort of like asking why do some people like comedy and some drama, when your only representations of the two are "Big Bang Theory" and "Grey's Anatomy."

Likewise, generalization about art styles is suspect as well. Even within Superhero comics you have styles ranging from heavily Manga inspired to nearly photorealistic and strange tangents as well.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Some people here need to check out Vertigo and Image.

And Dark Horse, Fantagraphics, and Drawn and Quarterly and Oni.

 

[Haly]

Well, it might be interesting then. Right now it's sort of like asking why do some people like comedy and some drama, when your only representations of the two are "Big Bang Theory" and "Grey's Anatomy."

Once I tried talking about about spec-fi authors who aren't Martin or Rothfuss, and this is what happened: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=523566

Never again.

(I mean, shit, I already have a really hard time engaging people with discussions about Wolfe and Le Guin, two juggernauts of sci-fi. And then comes a topic like comics vs manga with all the needless cultural barriers and prejudice associated with both, I'm not even going to bother.)

Maybe a new thread where we recommend hipster shit to each other... People love showing off how hipster they are.

 

[AmuroChan]

I don't like the fact that there are a million different storylines drawn by different artists and unrelated to each other. That's why I prefer manga where it's one author and one continuous timeline. There is one first volume and one last volume. When it's over it's really over.

 

[Macmanus]

That said, this thread does feel like some are choosing to freely ignore all the non-superhero stuff rather than just being unaware of it.

I read nothing but western comics (because I just got into the medium and haven't expanded to manga yet - not due to distaste) and I read absolutely zero super hero comics.

I'd rather have names like Daniel Clowes, Brian Vaughan, and Art Spiegelman represent Western comics than franchise super heroes.

I don't like the fact that there are a million different storylines drawn by different artists and unrelated to each other. That's why I prefer manga where it's one author and one continuous timeline. There is one first volume and one last volume. When it's over it's really over.

I'm completely with you - that's all I gravitate towards and again; I only read Western comics.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I don't like the fact that there are a million different storylines drawn by different artists and unrelated to each other. That's why I prefer manga where it's one author and one continuous timeline. There is one first volume and one last volume. When it's over it's really over.

I can appreciate that. There are a lot of Western comics like that as well. Vertigo and Image and others companies are the places to look.

 

[besada]

Once I tried talking about about spec-fi authors who aren't Martin or Rothfuss, and this is what happened: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=523566

Never again.

(I mean, shit, I already have a really hard time engaging people with discussions about Wolfe and Le Guin, two juggernauts of sci-fi. And then comes a topic like comics vs manga with all the needless cultural barriers and prejudice associated with both, I'm not even going to bother.)

Maybe a new thread where we recommend hipster shit to each other... People love showing off how hipster they are.

Short threads are a mark of quality, my friend. Just ask Mumei. It means the plebs can't keep up with you.