Troubled Bat
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Robin has smash attacks in the air?
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Thunder+Others is definitely his Neutral B. Arcfire is his Side B, Elwind is his Up B, Nosferatu is his Down B. All evidence suggests that, other than Thunder, none of his other attacks are chargeable - in every instance the book symbols are the same.
Actually, rather than rewrite, I'll just quote the post I made earlier.
I think I have most of it dead-on and with pictures!
This also confirms what we've mostly known, which is that your last used special move can affect your A moves by keeping that Tome out. Which is cool.
The real news here, I'd say, is exactly how the Levin Sword works - it's not triggered by anything and can be pulled out at any time by using a Smash attack. And it's confirmed that it recharges, so we can assume that the same is true of the Tomes. I think one per stock would be more interesting but probably more balanced this way.
Thoron does have a Tome - I think. You can see it briefly at the very end, when Female Robin fires off Thoron.
Also, bonus points here - I actually played through Famicom Detective Club for the first time last week and man is it fun! Ayumi is one of those "absolute pipe dream" characters for me... or "Detective," if they'd prefer.
Actually, rather than rewrite, I'll just quote the post I made earlier.
I think I have most of it dead-on and with pictures!This also confirms what we've mostly known, which is that your last used special move can affect your A moves by keeping that Tome out. Which is cool.
The real news here, I'd say, is exactly how the Levin Sword works - it's not triggered by anything and can be pulled out at any time by using a Smash attack. And it's confirmed that it recharges, so we can assume that the same is true of the Tomes. I think one per stock would be more interesting but probably more balanced this way.
Thoron does have a Tome - I think. You can see it briefly at the very end, when Female Robin fires off Thoron.
Also, bonus points here - I actually played through Famicom Detective Club for the first time last week and man is it fun! Ayumi is one of those "absolute pipe dream" characters for me... or "Detective," if they'd prefer.
peanutbutterlatte
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I hope they reprint Awakening around Smash's release. Truly excellent title that's good even for those like me who usually don't like strategy.
I want to see Kirby with a little tome.
I see. Hm. Well, I'll agree that my original theory is flawed, but I still think my cycling theory (just tracked on separate inputs) is still true. I can't really think of another way to reconcile what we'be already seen and Sakurai's explanation. Thoron is maybe uniquely chargeable?No.
When Robin is charging his thunder spell his tome changes from this:
to this:
to this:
The lightning bolt on the tome increases the number of zigzags as the spell being cast becomes more powerful until it becomes a circle with a cross. Arcfire also uses the circle with the cross, so the symbols are probably thunder, elthunder, and arcthunder. Thoron appears to not have a tome and instead is fired when you charge to full.
That's undoubtedly Robin's jab combo.
How would smash attacks even work in the air? Is it like triggering Falcon Punch in mid-air, where you're locked into a fall during the wind-up animation?
(Actually, I guess that wouldn't necessarily be true, since you don't have to charge smash attacks. I just always do, lol.)
(Actually, I guess that wouldn't necessarily be true, since you don't have to charge smash attacks. I just always do, lol.)
Mmmm...
No offense to the talented voice actors but I kinda hope that the Robins' (and to some extent Palutena's) gameplay trailer skill battlecries were a trailer exclusive for explanation rather then actual mechanics.
Though Kirby's rendition would be kinda cute.
At least digital distribution means we'll avoid a Path of Radiance / Radiant Dawn situation, even without a reprint.
sorakirosaki
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hmm something interesting i saw at the end of the trailer after female robin fired off thoron at the end of the trailer. The book goes back to thunder tome also im guessing that there is in fact a thoron tomb as well
it could be that the sword itself when using smashes in the air be held by magic (we did see him use some kind of magic to twirl the sword in one of his taunts)
it could be that the sword itself when using smashes in the air be held by magic (we did see him use some kind of magic to twirl the sword in one of his taunts)
peanutbutterlatte
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Yeah but Nintendo's digital prices mean its not far off
Amazeballs
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I'd imagine the input would be the same except you wouldn't be able to charge your attacks. Tilting or smashing in the air gives you the same moves for every other character. For Robin it'd determine which weapon he uses to strike.
I went over the trailer frame by frame in the part where male Robin fired thoron and it didn't change. The symbol is blurrier in the female Robin part and you can't see the circle.
SenorArdilla
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sorakirosaki
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just went over it and yeah thoron does not have a book you see it clearly when robin fires it off after he says arc thunder
Yeah, your specials will be gone, and all your tilts/jabs will be weaker cause they won't have a proper finisher. If they have the animation without the finisher, that would make you super vulnerable on a jab.
Levin Sword I guess will be tied to Smashes/Aerials, but what about your tilts when you have the Levin Sword? Will they just not count as uses for the Levin Sword, or will they hit but not have the lightning effect, so they'll effectively be the same as having the Bronze Sword (and so still not count as using the Levin Sword).
So that means we still need to know how many 'hits' you can get off with the Levin Sword before it breaks, how long it takes to regenerate, whether Tomes break separately or altogether, how many uses you get before they break, and how long they take to regenerate. Talk about a balancing act though. Really excited to play Robin.
What we've already seen is that the thunder spells charge 4 tiers and once used the tome reverts back to the lowest spell tier. Thoron is not unique. Robin cycles through 4 tiers, each tier taking longer to charge than the last, and then at full charge releases thoron.
JB-the-Hunter
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Do you guys think Tomes might effect grabs too? When Robin grabs Diddy in the trailer he's holding a thunder tome and the grab and throw may or may not have been electrified.
Hmm... I'm not so sure.
Looking at these two symbols and they're clearly different. Arcthunder is bottom-centered, while the left symbol is much higher up, lacks the outer circle, and generally doesn't look all that similar.
When you compare the Arcthunder symbol
EDIT: A brief look at the earlier charge CONFIRMS A CHANGE too.
sorakirosaki
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i presume levin sword with tilts will act as normal and will count (i think every hit u do with said sword will count to overall depleting your specials/weapons) its like in fire emblem where everytime you use a weapon it counts to your overall usage
and yes i do think it will mean that to play well with robin you will have to fully understand how many uses and how much time each weapon and tome will have (my god i get to play more fe in smash?) sign me up
Hmm... I'm not so sure.
Looking at these two symbols and they're clearly different. Arcthunder is bottom-centered, while the left symbol is much higher up, lacks the outer circle, and generally doesn't look all that similar.
When you compare the Arcthunder symboland the Thoron symbolfrom FE:A, the image Robin is carrying on the left - while blurry - definitely has an arrow shape, though I can't see the tail...
yes you are right i checked the footage again and when he uses thoron the book does change to the thoron symbol
also i should go make movesets for characters now lol
Ah, this is making sense
In any case Robin looks like the FE character with the most FE mechanics incorporated into their moveset. While the other characters use holy weapons that don't break, Robin actually takes the limited use mechanic into account which is cool. And using magic plus different levels of swords. Definitely the character that I am most interested to use so far.
Hmm... I'm not so sure.
Looking at these two symbols and they're clearly different. Arcthunder is bottom-centered, while the left symbol is much higher up, lacks the outer circle, and generally doesn't look all that similar.
When you compare the Arcthunder symboland the Thoron symbolfrom FE:A, the image Robin is carrying on the left - while blurry - definitely has an arrow shape, though I can't see the tail...
Hmmm. Looking at the footage again. It goes pretty fast, it's pretty blurry, and the thoron symbol looks similar to the arcthunder symbol, but you appear to be correct. The thoron symbol takes up less room on the tome than the arcthunder symbol does and the center of the lines is higher.
SenorArdilla
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Robin needs so much resource management. Wow.
Yes, that seems likely. Jabs, tilts, grabs, and maybe dash attack, will be affected by what Tome (special) you used last.
I don't know, Sakurai kind of specifies that you bring out the Levin Sword on Smash attacks. I think it would be better if your normals just didn't have the lightning effect, even when you had the Levin Sword, since those will likely be affected by your current Tome anyway. The balance to this could be that when the Levin Sword is broken, you lose access to your smash attacks, just like you lose your specials and finisher when you break your Tome.
An onscreen indicator would be great. I can't count while playing Smash. I'm not even sure I could recite the alphabet.
It's fitting, since he/she is the Tactician.
Yeah, something like where Mac's KO punch indicator is. Managing the cooldown on the sword and specials sounds really compelling.
Regardless of the details, I think Robin is the most exciting newcomer yet, gameplay-wise. I mean, as a character I've been excited for a lot of the new guys, but I can't remember the last time I was up until 5:00 AM analyzing gameplay footage. I think he/she's rocketed right to the top of my favorites list.
Robin probably has tome and it runs out after multiple uses with different levels or just attacking.
When Sakurai was showing the elements , it was probably to show what they do best.
Fire and Thunder fire out projectiles a great distance.
Wind has good recovery and a nice close ranged attack.
Dark has nice grabbing capabilities and offers healing with it.
I could see Neutral B as casting spell and Down B potentially changing used up tome and you might be able to force that change early by just pressing it.
Up B and Side B might be different with each spell and like I said about wind potentially being best for recovering with like up B.
The other spells might not have up B as a potential recovery but as a strong attack or they could maybe just be lacking in recoverability as the wind.
When Sakurai was showing the elements , it was probably to show what they do best.
Fire and Thunder fire out projectiles a great distance.
Wind has good recovery and a nice close ranged attack.
Dark has nice grabbing capabilities and offers healing with it.
I could see Neutral B as casting spell and Down B potentially changing used up tome and you might be able to force that change early by just pressing it.
Up B and Side B might be different with each spell and like I said about wind potentially being best for recovering with like up B.
The other spells might not have up B as a potential recovery but as a strong attack or they could maybe just be lacking in recoverability as the wind.
Oh yeah, probably. Was still half asleep.
Troubled Bat
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So, when are they going to make Fox his actual size?
SenorArdilla
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Maybe they'll stick both of them on the same stand.
sorakirosaki
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well i presume if you have a tome the tome will infact be used instead of the levin sword. Robin is basically playing fire emblem so i presume no matter what every hit outside of possibly tome+levin sword will count as usage. And i doubt he will lose out right acess as he will have the bronze sword (which i presume will not break or will have enough usage to allow the levin sword to come back)
also as an aside (im not sure if you have played Fire emblem) but everytime u use a weapon/or spell as long as said weapon did dmg it would count towards one usage
i presume the reason lucina,marth and ike does not have this feature is because there weapons are one of the few with unlimited uses
I honestly kind of hope that Air Smash attacks are a thing, and were in the demo, but no one noticed because who tries to Smash in mid-air? Would be a neat change up in gameplay.
Hmmm, maybe. Heh, what if the Levin Sword doesn't actually recharge, you just get it back when you break the Bronze Sword. Suddenly you have a good reason to throw out as many attacks as possible to get the Levin Sword back.
Sooo many possibilities with this character. I'm sure I'm overhyping myself.
Hmmm, maybe. Heh, what if the Levin Sword doesn't actually recharge, you just get it back when you break the Bronze Sword. Suddenly you have a good reason to throw out as many attacks as possible to get the Levin Sword back.
Sooo many possibilities with this character. I'm sure I'm overhyping myself.
Zeyphersan
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So they're two entirely separate character slots, not alternate costumes?
sorakirosaki
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same character slots different costumes i presume
OrangeGrayBlue
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Robin is very cool, but that title still belongs to Rosalina for me. Her gravity manipulating mechanics alone are really exciting, and throwing Luma into the mix only makes her even more intriguing.
I feel bad for the original 12 because it seems that the creativity behind the movesets that Sakurai comes up with has increased with every iteration. Samus' neutral B or Pikachu's thunder bolt feel really tame now while they were some of the coolest moves from the original game. I wish Sakurai would switch up the veterans more.
Alt costumes. They count as different colours though since that's how you select them (think Wario). I just hope the game is clever enough to use a secondary colour for the CPU in modes like Classic if you select the primary colour of the alt.
What's Fox's actual size? :-OSo, when are they going to make Fox his actual size?
sorakirosaki
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i doubt the bronze sword will break since what happens if your robin fails to kill? and sak did say levin sword and his magic are his life lines nothing about the bronze sword other than it comes out after using too much of the levin sword
i am betting this character is going to be either super loved, or super hated based on if indicators are shown as to how many uses you have of all the weapons since this might turn robin into a super gotta remember all the numbers character which in my opinion is the best thing ever!
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