Thor is now the goddess of Thunder

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-Plasma Reus- said:
I don't get this post.
What is she supposed to be wearing?
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Something that wasn't designed just to titillate. She looks like yet another comic book heroine, and I don't think that type of design will be what draws in female readers. Naturally I could be way off base and this works out splendidly for Marvel.

I feel like the designs for female characters are really lacking in comics, and it's one of the things that has stopped me from getting into them.
 
Kinsei said:
Something that wasn't designed just to titillate. She looks like yet another comic book heroine, and I don't think that type of design will be what draws in female readers. Naturally I could be way off base and this works out splendidly for Marvel.

I feel like the designs for female characters are really lacking in comics, and it's one of the things that has stopped me from getting into them.
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How is it designed to titillate? She looks like a female Thor. She's fully covered save her arms, and even the "boob armor" looks totally tame.

Now Red Sonja? That's a costume designed just to titillate.

If the buzz from Twitter is anything to go by, most female readers are fine with the costume.
 
Kinsei said:
Something that wasn't designed just to titillate. She looks like yet another comic book heroine, and I don't think that type of design will be what draws in female readers. Naturally I could be way off base and this works out splendidly for Marvel.

I feel like the designs for female characters are really lacking in comics, and it's one of the things that has stopped me from getting into them.
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She doesn't look designed to titillate at all... It's not like the breastplate is the only thing that exists, like other heroines with "boob armor."

Anyways, have you checked out Captain Marvel?
 
This is stupid. If Marvel wants to make a female superhero then just fucking make a female super hero. Why does it have to be a she version of someone already established? Especially someone like Thor. I like the idea behind the narrative they are trying to spin with this now being god Thor no biggy, but I just ask what is the point then? Especially with the visual disconnect with that boob armor. They picked Thor because making him a woman is the strangest, but it's just so gimmicky. Do they not believe a female character could stand on her own right? Fuck this Spiderwoman she hulk shit. Why not just delve into a different asgardian that is already an established badass female and prop her up? Like Valkyrie or Sif or something

For Odin's sake, they can do better.
 
MrGreencastle said:
This is stupid. If Marvel wants to make a female superhero then just fucking make a female super hero. Why does it have to be a she version of someone already established? Especially someone like Thor. I like the idea behind the narrative they are trying to spin with this now being god Thor no biggy, but I just ask what is the point then? Especially with the visual disconnect with that boob armor. They picked Thor because making him a woman is the strangest, but it's just so gimmicky. Do they not believe a female character could stand on her own right? Fuck this Spiderwoman she hulk shit. Why not just delve into a different asgardian that is already an established badass female and prop her up? Like Valkyrie or Sif or something

For Odin's sake, they can do better.
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They did that, and they had to cancel both books due to low sales despite glowing reviews for them. So...¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Vermillion said:
She doesn't look designed to titillate at all... It's not like the breastplate is the only thing that exists, like other heroines with "boob armor."

Anyways, have you checked out Captain Marvel?
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She certainly looks designed to titillate to me. She wouldn't have any boob plates if they weren't trying to get some sales based on sex appeal. Seeing a comic with her on the cover certainly wouldn't make me want to start reading.

I just looked her up, and she looks cool. Is there any pre-requisite reading needed to understand what's going on or could I just jump right into the 2014 series?
 
Kinsei said:
She certainly looks designed to titillate to me. She wouldn't have any boob plates if they weren't trying to get some sales based on sex appeal. Seeing a comic with her on the cover certainly wouldn't make me want to start reading.

I just looked her up, and she looks cool. Is there any pre-requisite reading needed to understand what's going on or could I just jump right into the 2014 series?
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It seems very tastefully drawn. Usually, they'd show skin were it meant to tittilate. It really just reminds me of the chest protectors that women use in sport.

You can jump directly into the 2014 series. There was a short-lived run in 2013, but that suffered from inconsistent art and stuff. So this time around, they gave Carol another shot with more consistency. I like it so far.
 
The only people who think this is titillating is the type of person who will take issue with any woman having traces of breast in what she wears.
 
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I'll admit to being fairly boring with my sexual inclinations, but I can't see "titillation" in this. The boob plate armor is silly, yeah, but...I don't know. Everyone brings their own view to art, I suppose.

Like I said, compare with Red Sonja:

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That's titillation!
 
Kinsei said:
She certainly looks designed to titillate to me. She wouldn't have any boob plates if they weren't trying to get some sales based on sex appeal. Seeing a comic with her on the cover certainly wouldn't make me want to start reading.

I just looked her up, and she looks cool. Is there any pre-requisite reading needed to understand what's going on or could I just jump right into the 2014 series?
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So no cuirass's for females? That seems a bit silly. If chest armour is good for guys, it is good for girls. The objection I would have to the main design there is that it stops too high and doesn't protect her ribs.
 
Dead Man said:
The objection I would have to the main design there is that it stops too high and doesn't protect her ribs.
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That's some thing I noticed too. I suppose they wanted to maintain some black in the top to keep it close to current Thor, but that's an odd decision.
 
Dead Man said:
So no cuirass's for females? That seems a bit silly. If chest armour is good for guys, it is good for girls. The objection I would have to the main design there is that it stops too high and doesn't protect her ribs.
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The armor she is currently wearing would be more likely to kill her than it would be to protect her: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you

I guess I just don't see why you would ever design boob armor if you weren't aiming for some sex appeal. It looks dumb and it would kill you, so I'm not sure why designers keep insisting on using it.

I think I've derailed the thread enough so I think this will be my last post here. I hope the comic is up to the quality of the other Thor comics that you all enjoy.
 
Kinsei said:
The armor she is currently wearing would be more likely to kill her than it would be to protect her: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you

I guess I just don't see why you would ever design boob armor if you weren't aiming for some sex appeal. It looks dumb and it would kill you, so I'm not sure why designers keep insisting on using it.

I think I've derailed the thread enough so I think this will be my last post here. I hope the comic is up to the quality of the other Thor comics that you all enjoy.
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Don't take any of this too harshly, mate. It just doesn't seem that it was designed with that in mind. Granted, your link is interesting, and it makes intuitive sense that it would be impractical. At the same time, impracticality doesn't mean it was intentionally designed for sex appeal.
 
Kinsei said:
The armor she is currently wearing would be more likely to kill her than it would be to protect her: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you

I guess I just don't see why you would ever design boob armor if you weren't aiming for some sex appeal. It looks dumb and it would kill you, so I'm not sure why designers keep insisting on using it.

I think I've derailed the thread enough so I think this will be my last post here. I hope the comic is up to the quality of the other Thor comics that you all enjoy.
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Have you seen what male Thor wears? Form fitting is the fashion for all genders in comics. If you were talking about something that was supposed to be historically correct you would have a point. But this is about space aliens who are gods. They wear skin tight impractical stuff as a way of life.

That is not sexualised, it is part of a cohesive aesthetic. If all the male characters had loose or padded armour I would probably agree with you. They don't.

Also, this paragraph seems to be missing the point of plate armour versus a sword:

Let’s begin by stating the simple purpose of plate armor—to deflect blows from weaponry. Assuming that you are avoiding the blow of a sword, your armor should be designed so that the blade glances off your body, away from your chest. If your armor is breast-shaped, you are in fact increasing the likelihood that a blade blow will slide inward, toward the center of your chest, the very place you are trying to keep safe.
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The breast plat will not suddenly let a sword through just because it has come concave surfaces. A sword user will still need to look for gaps or use heavier swords that can also bludgeon regardless. The real issue is how close to the skin it is, and that issue is the same for male Thor.
 
Dead Man said:
Also, this paragraph seems to be missing the point of plate armour versus a sword:



The breast plat will not suddenly let a sword through just because it has come concave surfaces. A sword user will still need to look for gaps or use heavier swords that can also bludgeon regardless. The real issue is how close to the skin it is, and that issue is the same for male Thor.
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The concave shape of regular breastplate armour means that glancing blows from swords are directed back outwards, away from the body. The nature of boob armour means that any glancing blow across the chest, rather than being guided away, is guided down the 'cleavage' into the centre of the chest. Of course, a direct hit from a well swung sword in the centre of the chest will probably crack either breastplate piece, but that's not how things work in most combat scenarios. When you're in a dirty fight with an opponent, grabbing hits wherever you can, most of your blows are going to be indirect or glancing unless you've got incredible reflexes and aim. Regular breastplate armour defends against those glancing blows. Boobplate does not, as it encourages strikes to be directed further into the body, not away.

it's a fundamentally stupid concept on every conceivable level.
 
TitusGroan said:
The concave shape of regular breastplate armour means that glancing blows from swords are directed back outwards, away from the body. The nature of boob armour means that any glancing blow across the chest, rather than being guided away, is guided down the 'cleavage' into the centre of the chest. Of course, a direct hit from a well swung sword in the centre of the chest will probably crack either breastplate piece, but that's not how things work in most combat scenarios. When you're in a dirty fight with an opponent, grabbing hits wherever you can, most of your blows are going to be indirect or glancing unless you've got incredible reflexes and aim. Regular breastplate armour defends against those glancing blows. Boobplate does not, as it encourages strikes to be directed further into the body, not away.

it's a fundamentally stupid concept on every conceivable level.
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You'll have to explain the part of that which allows a sword blades edge to cut plate steel. The crush injury is the bigger worry, which will be possible larger with a concave surface if you hit it just right.

But again, historicity and practical usefulness are not the metric to employ in this scenario, especially against charges of sexualisation.
 
TitusGroan said:
The concave shape of regular breastplate armour means that glancing blows from swords are directed back outwards, away from the body. The nature of boob armour means that any glancing blow across the chest, rather than being guided away, is guided down the 'cleavage' into the centre of the chest. Of course, a direct hit from a well swung sword in the centre of the chest will probably crack either breastplate piece, but that's not how things work in most combat scenarios. When you're in a dirty fight with an opponent, grabbing hits wherever you can, most of your blows are going to be indirect or glancing unless you've got incredible reflexes and aim. Regular breastplate armour defends against those glancing blows. Boobplate does not, as it encourages strikes to be directed further into the body, not away.

it's a fundamentally stupid concept on every conceivable level.
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I'm sure her practical defense against swords is being Thor.

she wears what she does for the viking/thor imagery, unless you fit her with Destroyer armour she'd be just as fine in combat with anything.
 
Dead Man said:
That is not sexualised, it is part of a cohesive aesthetic. If all the male characters had loose or padded armour I would probably agree with you. They don't.
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Arguing that the boob armor doesn't sexualize her is silly (if that is what you are doing). Its purpose is to make the viewer aware of her gender and physique. It's not offensive or extreme but that's what it does. The standard comic book aesthetic sexualizes men and women, but for differing purposes.
 
Dead Man said:
You'll have to explain the part of that which allows a sword blades edge to cut plate steel. The crush injury is the bigger worry, which will be possible larger with a concave surface if you hit it just right.

But again, historicity and practical usefulness are not the metric to employ in this scenario, especially against charges of sexualisation.
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Your average breastplate is not that thick. Between 1mm and 2 mm thick in most cases. Anything else becomes too heavy to be practical. 1mm of metal can be cracked or cut with a well swung hit from a sword. Not shattered, but cracked, which would likely entail injury for the wearer. Concave breastplate is designed so that if a sword makes a glancing hit, there is nothing in the path of the blade to stop it sliding over the surface and away from the wearer. Boobplate not only guides a sword directly into the chest, it then adds another boob to act as a barrier to stop the sword moving away. It directs what could have been a glancing strike on the side of the chest into a direct strike on the centre of the chest, and that is just stupid.

And don't try and shrug off the "charges of sexualisation" card when we're discussing a female character in Marvel comics. There's an entire debate going on in the community there which you're just trying to shrug off as if its not even happening.
 
Femmeworth said:
Arguing that the boob armor doesn't sexualize her is silly (if that is what you are doing). Its purpose is to make the viewer aware of her gender and physique. It's not offensive or extreme but that's what it does. The standard comic book aesthetic sexualizes men and women, but for differing purposes.
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Do you think its purpose is sex appeal?
 
Femmeworth said:
Arguing that the boob armor doesn't sexualize her is silly (if that is what you are doing). Its purpose is to make the viewer aware of her gender and physique. It's not offensive or extreme but that's what it does. The standard comic book aesthetic sexualizes men and women, but for differing purposes.
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Yeah, you are correct, I should have said it is not more sexualised than the male versions. And yeah, in a different way. My point was that it was not any more sexualised than the males, not that neither were sexualised.

TitusGroan said:
Your average breastplate is not that thick. Between 1mm and 2 mm thick in most cases. Anything else becomes too heavy to be practical. 1mm of metal can be cracked or cut with a well swung hit from a sword. Not shattered, but cracked, which would likely entail injury for the wearer. Concave breastplate is designed so that if a sword makes a glancing hit, there is nothing in the path of the blade to stop it sliding over the surface and away from the wearer. Boobplate not only guides a sword directly into the chest, it then adds another boob to act as a barrier to stop the sword moving away. It directs what could have been a glancing strike on the side of the chest into a direct strike on the centre of the chest, and that is just stupid.
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Interesting, didn't know some of that. I will continue to maintain that it is one of the sillier quibbles to have due to the lack of intention for the design to be representing either earth technology or historical information.

And don't try and shrug off the "charges of sexualisation" card when we're discussing a female character in Marvel comics. There's an entire debate going on in the community there which you're just trying to shrug off as if its not even happening.
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Fuck off with that bullshit. I am in no way saying it isn't an issue. And the hell with you for saying I am.

If you could read you would have said that historicity and practicality are not related to charges of sexualisation. That is all I said, or can you not parse a simple fucking paragraph?

Fucking hell.
 
Savitar said:
Angela is the long lost sister, and she's already shown up etc.

As for this being here, doubt it.

She has red hair, not blonde.
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Assuming the power of thor has been known to alter physical appearance. (look at what happened to eric and kevin masterson when picking up mjolnir and thunderstrike). The blond hair is likely part of that.

It's way, way, way more likely to be Angela given the whole "long lost sister" reveal than anyone else.
 
Savitar said:
Angela is the long lost sister, and she's already shown up etc.

As for this being here, doubt it.

She has red hair, not blonde.
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PsychBat! said:
No, in the current Iron Man run it's revealed that
Tony Stark is adopted and Arno Stark is the real kid of Howard and Maria. Arno then partners up with Tony doing shenanigans.
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There are two Arno starks. the original one was This dude from a divergent future timeline.

He's currently in Uncanny Avengers on a team Kang assembled that includes Doom 2099 and Stryfe, among all people.
 
xtrasauce said:
I remember when major Marvel Comics story twists were shown some respect. Now Marvel honchos announce them to the media in advance and the Internet makes damn sure that everyone knows about it, whether they want to or not.
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They've reached that weird point where they spoil their own twists. That Parker comes back was announced way ahead of time, wasn't it?
Kinsei said:
Something that wasn't designed just to titillate. She looks like yet another comic book heroine, and I don't think that type of design will be what draws in female readers. Naturally I could be way off base and this works out splendidly for Marvel.

I feel like the designs for female characters are really lacking in comics, and it's one of the things that has stopped me from getting into them.
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They want to make it pretty clear that this Thor is a woman (which I guess counts as sexualized), the boob plate doesn't seem to go much beyond that. If her look was just for male gaze they would have gone much further
 
Kinyou said:
They've reached that weird point where they spoil their own twists. That Parker comes back was announced way ahead of time, wasn't it?
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That wasn't a spoiler though. Parker coming back was a known quantity, and anyone reading the series knew this.

This is just the way the industry (or at least Marvel) works. Established characters are simply too iconic to make major changes like permanently killing them off, or permanently retiring them, so there are minor arcs that shake up the status quo a bit before a return to normal. (There are a few minor exceptions here and there like Nick Fury, but that one's a special case)

Thor is getting a separate series to run alongside this one, so it's not like this is something that could be "kept quiet" until the last minute.
 
Manmademan said:
That wasn't a spoiler though. Parker coming back was a known quantity, and anyone reading the series knew this.

This is just the way the industry (or at least Marvel) works. Established characters are simply too iconic to make major changes like permanently killing them off, or permanently retiring them, so there are minor arcs that shake up the status quo a bit before a return to normal. (There are a few minor exceptions here and there like Nick Fury, but that one's a special case)

Thor is getting a separate series to run alongside this one, so it's not like this is something that could be "kept quiet" until the last minute.
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Oh didn't really think of that. Yeah, when they have to announce the releases anyway there's not much sense in hiding. Rather get the fans hyped by giving them some info. A series that gets stealth released will hardly sell well.
 
Okay, interesting. IMDB retweeted a tweet in the article and I had no idea what it meant, never thought about it anymore until I clicked this thread. I wonder how this is going to integrate into the movies if they ever catch up.
 
TitusGroan said:
Your average breastplate is not that thick. Between 1mm and 2 mm thick in most cases. Anything else becomes too heavy to be practical. 1mm of metal can be cracked or cut with a well swung hit from a sword. Not shattered, but cracked, which would likely entail injury for the wearer. Concave breastplate is designed so that if a sword makes a glancing hit, there is nothing in the path of the blade to stop it sliding over the surface and away from the wearer. Boobplate not only guides a sword directly into the chest, it then adds another boob to act as a barrier to stop the sword moving away. It directs what could have been a glancing strike on the side of the chest into a direct strike on the centre of the chest, and that is just stupid.
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If you're going to make this argument, you have to contend with the fact that Thor's current armor has this exact same issue:

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Femmeworth said:
To some extent, which isn't always a bad thing. More than anything, I think it's a cheap and easy way to feminize her.
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I agree on the "cheap and easy way to feminize her," at least." I just don't see a comic artist adding it for sex appeal so subtly. It seems more like a feminized version of what they had on Thor. But there we'll have to accept a difference of perspectives, I suppose.
 
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