More Than 600 Paedophile Suspects Arrested

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Eteric Rice

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Yes, those people need help.

Eh, I'd be more concerned about the ones who acquire or make actual child pornography.

I do wonder if there's a correlation between people who like that kind of hentai, and actual pedophiles, though? I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on that.
 

Gintamen

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Shouldn't the title be about pedophile offenders, instead of stigmatizing all pedophiles? Being a pedohile isn't a crime yet in UK, or is it?
 

Toski

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If you're not doing anything wrong why are you worried/annoyed? Surely your "privacy" (and I mean really why do people get so worked up about the gov knowing your conversation about what you had for breakfast on Skype) when it's clearly helping catch monsters like this??

It's like people complaining about CCTV, the only people that need and should worry is criminals.

I believe in the next 50-100 years, privacy will be an antiquated notion. I always thought the hindrance to data mining everything would be sorting through all the crap, but it seems like even that will be sorted through with brutal efficiency.
 
These people have been arrested, but not actually found guilty of anything. It wouldn't be a smart move to name and shame unless guilt is proven.

From reading another news article, it seems all of them have at least viewed pornographic images of children. I may be reading into too much.
 
When I was younger I moved into a shared apartment. There were two guys already there. A guy around my age who was into punk and getting high like myself, and a 50 yr old college lecturer. He was a real middle class, pillar of the community type. Did a lot of charity. He was also a real stickler for making sure all the bills were paid on time, and the house was spotless. Seemed like a totally normal guy.
Anyway, one afternoon me and the younger guy were sitting around smoking hash when there was a loud knock on the door. Turned out it was the police. They asked if "Steve" was in, I laughed and asked if he'd run a red light or dropped litter. The guy was such a total Flanders it was impossible to imagine him in trouble with the law. The woman cop gave me a look and handed over a file, said to give it to him.
So, after they left we sat looking at it. It wasn't sealed, so we opened it. We were laughing and making jokes about "steve" being in trouble until we actually started reading and realised it was a transcript of a police interview and "steve" was a massive pedophile who'd been fucking his daughters, nieces and his ex neighbour's kids over a period of 20 years. It was one of the worst things I've ever read, mostly because the horrors inside were put down in such a dry and matter of fact manner.
Afterwards the pair of us just sat and stared at each other, minds blown. We put the confession back in the envelope, left it outside "steve's" room door. "Dave" said he was going for a walk. I said i was going to phone the landlord and see if they had any other apartments, because obviously once that shit went public, the pitchforks would be out and there was no way I wanted any kind of association with that fucker.
So I went to work, called the landlord and told her what we'd just found out. She went straight round to the flat, read the file and arranged for the pair of us to move out immediately, which was really cool of her.
I went back home after work and there were 7 or 8 guys I'd never seen before sitting in the front room with "Dave." Turned out he'd decided to go to the pub, got drunk and opened his mouth. I was having nothing to do with that bullshit, and I told them I wasn't going to join in. There were a few comments until I said, I'd do him on my own, but I wasn't cool with the group thing, which calmed things down. Then "steve" walked in the front door and it all exploded. "Dave" ran straight up and belted him in the mouth, the vigilantes grabbed him and dragged him into a room and then there was a lot of shouting and screaming. They were basically torturing him.
I called the cops. I had no sympathy for "Steve" at all, but Dave would get in total shit if things went too far, and they pretty much already had. Also, I wanted those assholes out my flat. The cops came and dragged everyone away. I gave a statement saying I'd come home, heard a lot of shouting and screaming, didn't know what was happening and called in.
So, Dave spent a night in the cells, Steve was removed by the police for his own safety, and the next day the landlord came and gave me a set of keys to a 1 bedroom apartment, so I moved out.
The one thing I've always wondered was if it was a set-up by the cops. I know for a fact that they searched our house and knew who was in there, because I came home early one day, and a guy I'd never seen before came down the stairs, and when I went into my room, I had the feeling someone had been in there. It looked like nothing had been touched, except there was a t-shirt i'd laid out on my bed that morning, and it was the wrong way round. You don't just go round to a flat where a couple of young guys live and hand over a file like that.
So, I think they deliberately gave that file to us, hoping that we'd read it and it would incite us into beating the shit out of him. It's not a story I ever share in public. I did once and the guy I told looked at me like how could you live with someone and not know they're a kid fucker. That taught me to keep quiet about it, in case, people thought I was a part of that sicko's circle.

Thanks for sharing. I also agree about the handing over of the file... are you suggesting they wanted you guys to beat the c*** out of him? Not that I have a problem with that strategy... it's kind of bad-ass by the police to do that.
 

PJV3

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If you're not doing anything wrong why are you worried/annoyed? Surely your "privacy" (and I mean really why do people get so worked up about the gov knowing your conversation about what you had for breakfast on Skype) when it's clearly helping catch monsters like this??

It's like people complaining about CCTV, the only people that need and should worry is criminals.

I haven't stuck bags of heroin up my shitter so I shouldn't mind the state sticking a finger up my arsehole.

Nothing to hide.
 

s_mirage

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From reading another news article, it seems all of them have at least viewed pornographic images of children. I may be reading into too much.

That's what they're accused of. They haven't been found guilty yet and the police don't always get it right. A trial will determine their guilt, not the press.
 
Wut? It means that during the investigation no current police officers were suspected.

Of course, but it kinda stood out that they found people of all these professions during the investigations, but had to emphasize that the police officers where only former police officers.
 
Of course, but it kinda stood out that they found people of all these professions during the investigations, but had to emphasize that the police officers where only former police officers.

I see where you are coming from but it's a minor thing to nitpick IMHO, maybe they have worded it that way because of the current MP child abuse scandal or something as the police also don't smell of roses.
 

Jedeye Sniv

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Forward me all of your emails and sexts from your girlfriend since you don't care so much

Is this a joke post?

I'm not having dodgy conversations but I also like to know that i'm not being watched 24/7.

Also the people in charge have shown themselves time and time again to be lacking in sense to be allowed such far reaching powers.

I doubt it's that you're being actively watched (can you imagine how many people that would take?), rather your footprint is saved in case you go fiddling kids later.

Personally I'm fine about this. I'm confident that I'm not doing anything worth looking at twice. Although it means I have to use mad codes when I want to get some weed.

And oddly enough, I share a Google account with my bandmates and the other day my mate txt me with the details of what I had been googling. Not a single fuck given.
 

kitch9

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Yes. Another piece of a totalitarian state. When will it finally be complete?
Hitler would be proud.

If I rape and murder someone in a field, chances are I'll leave evidence that will hang around for months, a footprint maybe.

If I force a kid to do horrible shit online, without the ISPs keeping evidence there would be fuck all anyone could do about it as there is no footprint and that's where it would all happen.

As long as the data can only be accessed with a court order, so be it.
 

The Technomancer

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If I rape and murder someone in a field, chances are I'll leave evidence that will hang around for months, a footprint maybe.

If I force a kid to do horrible shit online, without the ISPs keeping evidence there would be fuck all anyone could do about it as there is no footprint and that's where it would all happen.

As long as the data can only be accessed with a court order, so be it.

Seriously. Look, yes, in the US the NSA is getting up to some real shady shit. I don't know about the UK situation but there's probably some concerns over specifics as well

But the idea that, in a broad sense, internet activity should not be evidence just baffles me.
 

King_Moc

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Being a pedophile is probably one of the worst things I can imagine having to live with. Does the UK offer any support for pedophiles who are not offenders? If their goal is to protect children surely having preemptive support would be more effective than scaring people into not doing horrible things.

While that makes sense, I can't see too many people admitting to it.
 

Drinkel

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While that makes sense, I can't see too many people admitting to it.
That's true, but that's why the culture surrounding pedophilia needs to change. The vast majority of pedophiles probably don't want to be pedophiles and know that what they feel is morally wrong. Treating them as monsters or potential scum doesn't really help anyone. Having a more open discussion is in everybody's best interest. I feel like the reporting and reactions to this stuff is actually counterproductive to the cause.
 

CTLance

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What a staggering number. Just to think, this was just one bust, and UK only. I shudder to think of the dark figure worldwide.
 
Oh my god, twenty people within my county were arrested in the paedophile bust and because I was trying to say that they have not been found guilty and that they deserve a fair trial I'm told that I either can't have children myself or I'm a paedophile.

I want to get off this planet.
 
I can't believe that out of all of the celebs arrested so far, it seems 60 and 70s musicians have not been among them.

Imagine the furore if the Beatles turned out to be kiddie fiddlers
 
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Personally I'm fine about this. I'm confident that I'm not doing anything worth looking at twice. Although it means I have to use mad codes when I want to get some weed.

You probably don't have a great argument if you can contradict yourself one sentence in.
 

moggio

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I can't believe that out of all of the celebs arrested so far, it seems 60 and 70s musicians have not been among them.

Imagine the furore if the Beatles turned out to be kiddie fiddlers

I'd imagine the chances of a rock star of that era having sex with groupies that were under 16 (either knowingly or unknowingly) would be quite high.

Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones eventually married the 14 year old he was having sex with, for example.
 

dan2026

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"Our aim was to protect children who were victims of, or might be at risk of, sexual exploitation. A child is victimised not only when they are abused and an image is taken. They are re-victimised every time that image is viewed by someone.

"Some of the people who start by accessing indecent images online go on to abuse children directly. So the operation is not only about catching people who have already offended - it is about influencing potential offenders before they cross that line.

"We want those offenders to know that the internet is not a safe anonymous space for accessing indecent images, that they leave a digital footprint, and that law enforcement will find it."

Reading the article, this sounds like one step away from arresting people for thought crimes. At what point does it become ridiculous?
 

cheezcake

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Reading the article, this sounds like one step away from arresting people for thought crimes. At what point does it become ridiculous?

As long as pedophilia itself is demonised, as opposed to sexual abuse of minors, politics will shift the law closer to basically arresting people for thought crimes. And in the end more kids and people will probably get hurt, but hey at least people can feel good about themselves.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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How well does the "She was a 1000 year old demon" argument hold up in a court of law?
 

NekoFever

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Being a pedophile is probably one of the worst things I can imagine having to live with. Does the UK offer any support for pedophiles who are not offenders? If their goal is to protect children surely having preemptive support would be more effective than scaring people into not doing horrible things.

The number of people who can't make this distinction bothers me.
 

Busty

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When they catch a huge ring like this it's always because they managed to infiltrate and crack open a forum or subscribers/members only website which housed and/or traded this material.

I've know cops who have worked cases like this in the past (one of the guys I grew up with was part of a specialist unit) and they said that it's actually very difficult to find a "hive" of online activity but when you do find one you basically uncover the entire network.

The inter connected nature of these networks make them the ultimate house of cards. Years ago one of the largest pedophile rings was cracked by accident when someone stumbled onto a child pron website and noticed that its members paid by credit card.

In the end they traced every subscriber/member of the ring through their credit card details. I'm assuming that these people were caught in a similar manner.
 

dan2026

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As long as pedophilia itself is demonised, as opposed to sexual abuse of minors, politics will shift the law closer to basically arresting people for thought crimes. And in the end more kids and people will probably get hurt, but hey at least people can feel good about themselves.

That's what I mean. I bet most of these people haven't ever harmed a child in any way.
Maybe they never will.

What exactly are they going to do with these people?
Throw them in jail? What good will that do for anyone?

Perhaps some of them do need some therapy. But I doubt they will get it.
 
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