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[Neoxon]

Supposedly, according to a GameStop manager, Smash U is out November 21st & comes with a free Amiibo figure.

 

[TheSlySoul]

The problem with the rumor mill in Dojo is it seems a bit off in some points.
However, I can believe Dr. Mario and Dark Pit will be skins. There is one part of the rumor that I can believe: "Ganondorf and Meta Knight are revealed in the Shulk trailer"
I believe Captain Falcon and Ganondorf are not unlockables anymore. Ganondorf is the next vet reveal I bet.

 

[IntelliHeath]

So, I managed to get my hands on a copy of this week's edition of Sakurai's "Think About the Video Games" column (thanks, Ryce!). Enjoy!

Thank you so much for those translations. Basically Ryce's information was somewhat right but some informations was just assumptions from Japanese fans.

Certain Character got cut is pretty much Chrom, and Lucina used to be alt character but now become standby character. Nothing about filling out void right?

 

[Kjellson]

Even if Lucina is exactly the same as Marth I'm glad she's not an alt. Separate characters as alts is an awful idea.

 

[Starphoenix]

New rumor?
http://ssb4dojo.com/post/91850434726/rumor-mill-pipe-burst-roster

That website is garbage. They "verified" on Monday that Shulk would be revealed, and went into elaborate detail on how the trailer would play out.

 

[Axass]

he probably put it in to stop people who accidentally do it and end up off the stage from SDing.

That's me. Thank you Sakurai.

 

[Jintor]

Funny that we're at the stage where Sakurai is teasing alt costumes in full trailers

 

[diaspora]

I don't really know how to structure my counter point so I'm just going to throw things at the wall and see what sticks.

I think to start off a I should probably note that we both have different opinions of what a "considerable jump in speed [from Brawl?]" is, currently the game for me is at a slight increase in speed, even if the game went full on melee mode in terms of speed, I still wouldn't consider that a considerable jump.

Yeah, I don't care for this.

Anyway, the falling and movement speeds of characters might be better, but I think when you add all the lag in between it can slow down the overall pace of the game.

For some characters, and fewer still moves.

It's like the comparison between a fast car, a slow car and a fast car that is constantly stalling, if you're used to the fast car, you'd probably prefer the slow car to the one that's constantly stalling because the potential just isn't being reached by the banger that keeps on stalling, it would feel disappointing.

All car analogies are terrible analogies. If landing lag is the one and only thing someone cares about in the game, choose the character with the least lag, and lag on the fewest moves since it'd be better than having to use a redundant input every time you did anything.

I don't know if that analogy makes sense to anyone but myself, but that's how I feel is the easiest way to describe it.

There's so much more to the game than something as trivial as the landing lag in making the game competitive, IMO, it doesn't work. Not for me at least.

Also, I don't think the fact that people move and fall faster means that they should remove to ability to cancel projectiles, all that does is make projectiles useless because you're stuck in an animation where the opponent is able to use the increased movement speed to make punishing much easier.

Having played Project M, not being able to cancel the lag in projectiles for most characters is welcome, though longer lag is pointless in characters like toon Link.

Things should be high risk - high reward and low risk - low reward if you ask me, but with a lot of moves in the game it seems like they're going with a higher risk - lower reward design which doesn't sit right with me.

I don't agree with this assessment at all.

 

[IntelliHeath]

If you guys had to decide between Roy or Lucina for Marth's clone in the game, who would you choose?

It would be tough decision but I would go with Lucina.

I hope this game delivers on the hype.

I remember being excited for Brawl, and when I finally got my hands on it, I was really disappointed. It had a ton of content, and I mean A TON, it should have been any nintendo faithful's dream, but something about it left a sour taste in my mouth.

I did play Melee competitively, so I suppose my wanting it to replicate what I enjoyed in Melee clouded my judgements. It was just too slow, I suppose.

This game seems to rectify what was wrong with Brawl, at a gameplay standpoint. It may not be Melee, but I can deal with it as long as it's fast paced action and doesn't slow to a crawl like Brawl.

I have a good feeling that they might deliver the hype.

Zelda and Sheik still share Light Arrows.

Yeah, I can't really think of any final smash for Sheik other than Light Arrows.

Masked Man is our saviour ヽ(✿◕‿&#9685ﾉ

Yep, Yep!

He actually says that Lucina is lucky to be an actual character at all!

Yeah, I wonder if there is any reason behind it.

 

[Bleep]

To clarify, Sakurai only said that she puts on and takes off her mask when she appears for battle and during one of her taunts. His wording did not specifically imply that you could swap modes, although I would guess that such a feature will be included.

Oh damn, the translation I read must have misinterpreted it.

 

[Masked Man]

Thank you so much for those translations. Basically Ryce's information was somewhat right but some informations was just assumptions from Japanese fans.

Certain Character got cut is pretty much Chrom, and Lucina used to be alt character but now become standby character. Nothing about filling out void right?

Well, Sakurai never mentioned any "certain character". Rather, his language regarding deciding not to include Chrom was very explicit throughout the article, even saying at one point that Chrom is really popular and well-known as the protagonist of FE:A, "but I chose Robin and Lucina" (with a sort-of "so that's that" kind of finality).
The difference in Lucina's swordplay is what ultimately earned her a "true" spot on the roster. Sakurai had initially planned to include a Lucina "skin" (alt. costume with her voice) for Marth, but the fact that she functions differently from Marth because of the way her sword deals damage evenly across the blade--a subtle difference, perhaps--is the little bit of "luck" that secured her a roster slot.

I think this also means that Sakurai will likely refrain from cutting characters like Falco, Wolf, Lucas, and Ganondorf because they function very differently from their "model" counterparts (Fox, Ness, and Ganondorf respectively).

 

[IntelliHeath]

I'm just glad his reasoning for Chrom doesn't exclude Takamaru, since Takamaru has interesting projectiles in addition to a katana. Let's get one more swordsman in the game! I need my samurai!

I still hope that Takamaru would manage to get in. It would be cool to have Samurai with several projectiles.

Forget the haters. Roy will forever be our boy!

ROY IS OUR BOY!

 

[PadWarrior]

Thanks for the translations Masked Man.

 

[The_Intruder]

New rumor?
http://ssb4dojo.com/post/91850434726/rumor-mill-pipe-burst-roster

I don't believe it because of this:

 

[Jaeger]

I'm so tired of reading about "landing lag". The way some are trying to describe this game as some super slow, laggy game.

What game are you guys actually watching? Because what I saw look very fast paced.

 

[BGBW]

I still hope that Takamaru would manage to get in. It would be cool to have Samurai with several projectiles.

I don't think he'd quite be considered a blue haired swords man since he'd use a katana rather than broadsword which is what Sakurai was worried about.

 

[Ahnez]

I still hope that Takamaru would manage to get in. It would be cool to have Samurai with several projectiles

I still believe that Takamaru is in

Well, we have to wait..

 

[diaspora]

I'm so tired of reading about "landing lag". The way some are trying to describe is some super slow, laggy game.

What game are you guys actually watching? Because what I saw look very fast paced.

I don't think the game is laggy either, but competitive Melee is like... a twitch shooter of smash.

 

[-Horizon-]

I'm allergic to them, so you're not alone

====

How has nobody posted it?

Pic of the day. We have Nintendogs plus cats! How could we forget them!! Just FYI, there are about five dog breeds in this game. This was me, reporting from the 3DS-exclusive stage, Living Room.

Cool, cool. Glad that there's variety in this.

 

[Caladrius]

I don't believe it because of this:

Must...not...raise....hopes.

 

[NeonZ]

If we're getting character costumes, aside from Dark Pit, I hope the Daisy and Blood Falcon skins also are promoted to that kind of thing. It'd be neat to see Blood Hawk replacing the Blue Falcon in his intro and Final Smash, and actually get the proper voice and haircut for Daisy's design. It's also the only way we're seeing another F-Zero character in Smash, considering the series' current situation.

 

[BGBW]

I don't believe it because of this:

So people are still hoping that the Groose gets loose?

 

[Lunar15]

So people are still hoping that the Groose gets loose?

Actually, I never considered the possibility that Groose could make an assist trophy. He could show up with the Groosinator and launch some bombs around the battlefield.

However, now that I've thought of it, it won't happen.

 

[NeonZ]

Obviously, we're going to get Demise as a Ganondorf clone, with Ganondorf still keeping the Falcon inspired moveset.

 

[OmegaSmash]

Hmm. So Chrom might not have been in the initial plans for the roster? I guess that could rule out the Gematsu leak being based off of really early design documents, which would've explained "Pokemon from X/Y" (early name for Greninja) and "Chrom" (planned for, but cut/replaced with Robin)

 

[Jaeger]

This match looks like a battle in Fist of the North Star.

 

[BGBW]

Actually, I never considered the possibility that Groose could make an assist trophy. He could show up with the Groosinator and launch some bombs around the battlefield.

However, now that I've thought of it, it won't happen.

I thought the purpose of that image was it teased potential newcomers or than assist trophies so we'd have to be looking at a Skyward Sword rep with the Fi tease.

 

[SuperSah]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...con_with_various_games_tournaments_and_events

Looking forward to the 3DS tournament.

I'm very interested in how people respond to it being competitively viable.

 

[PadWarrior]

I want these as an alt colors for Mario:

 

[Lunar15]

I thought the purpose of that image was it teased potential newcomers or than assist trophies so we'd have to be looking at a Skyward Sword rep with the Fi tease.

Oh, I wasn't really referring to that image. I was just going off on a tangent because you brought up Groose.

 

[The_Intruder]

I thought the purpose of that image was it teased potential newcomers or than assist trophies so we'd have to be looking at a Skyward Sword rep with the Fi tease.

Yes

Tiki=
-Robin
-Lucina

Pseudo Palutena=
-Palutena

Fi=
-Girahim?
-Demise?

King kihunter=
-Ridley?

 

[MagiusNecros]

Yes

Tiki=
-Robin
-Lucina

Pseudo Palutena=
-Palutena

Fi=
-Girahim?
-Demise?

King kihunter=
-Ridley?

Obviously the Metroid rep is Sylux or Admiral Dane.

 

[BGBW]

This is why I think my idea of being able to change the colours of certain hot spots on the outfit (i.e Mario's hat, shirt, dungarees, gloves and shoes) to make your own custom alt colour is needed because another red dungaree blue shirt Mario is unlikely so some people's wishes will never be granted.

Also then I can get Wario's Woods NES Wario.

 

[Lunar15]

Another tangent:

Do you think that the 3DS and Wii U will recieve different intros? I hope they do. It's small and probably petty, but I'd prefer if the Wii U opening isn't just an HD version of the 3DS opening. Any chance to get more awesome videos!

 

[CassSept]

So yeah, I believe the 21st rumor... MINUS one HUGE issue. That's the same release day as Pokemon ORAS and I just don't see Nintendo double dipping on two of their huge games this holiday. If SSBU can be out before black friday then sure.. maybe. Otherwise I Highly doubt we will see it on the 21st. I will be surprised to see it before Dec to be honest.

ALBW came out on the same day as SM3DW in NA

 

[-Horizon-]

Don't be surprised when Adam is authorized into battle.

 

[rawktapus]

I thought the purpose of that image was it teased potential newcomers or than assist trophies so we'd have to be looking at a Skyward Sword rep with the Fi tease.

I would love Ghirahim, actually. If its skyward sword only, he makes the must sense

 

[kuroneko0509]

I'd rather get Ghirahim than Fi in smash bros

 

[Kjellson]

I think we'll get Ganondorf when Hyrule Warriors releases in Japan in four weeks.

 

[Jintor]

Oh yeah - Veteran reveals in a trailer is a new thing right?

 

[The_Intruder]

Obviously the Metroid rep is Sylux or Admiral Dane.

Oh nice I've never thought about it:

 

[Ahnez]

Another tangent:

Do you think that the 3DS and Wii U will recieve different intros? I hope they do. It's small and probably petty, but I'd prefer if the Wii U opening isn't just an HD version of the 3DS opening. Any chance to get more awesome videos!

I think each version will get its own intro.

Probably with different art styles (like the first trailer)

 

[Caladrius]

THESE TROPHIES ARE TEARING ME APART

Oh yeah - Veteran reveals in a trailer is a new thing right?

Charizard was in the Greninja trailer.

 

[PadWarrior]

Oh yeah - Veteran reveals in a trailer is a new thing right?

Started with Greninja.

 

[JoeInky]

For some characters, and fewer still moves.

I do not agree with this based on what we've seen, certain characters like Lucina, ZSS and Sheik have little landing lag, whereas the rest of the cast don't seem to have many good aerial moves

All car analogies are terrible analogies. If landing lag is the one and only thing someone cares about in the game, choose the character with the least lag, and lag on the fewest moves since it'd be better than having to use a redundant input every time you did anything.

My worry is that characters without more landing lag will be useless because they'll be combo'd way to easily by characters that don't have to worry about it.

Also why do you always assume every time this topic comes up that when I talk about adding lag-cancelling to the game, I mean adding z/l cancelling, when I've stated multiple times that I don't like input barriers and don't want that form of lag cancelling back in the game?

There's so much more to the game than something as trivial as the landing lag in making the game competitive, IMO, it doesn't work. Not for me at least.

I don't agree with this, landing lag is not trivial.

The free flow combo system present in melee, smash 64 and project m is what makes smash bros. such a fun competitive game to me, and the main thing that contributes to that, other than hitstun, is the fact that you can significantly reduce the lag on your aerials so you can perform a followup attack before the other person is able to act.

Also aren't you the same guy that said dash-dancing was useless? I don't exactly trust your opinion on this sort of thing after that debacle, because you sound more and more like you just don't like people complaining about things raher than actually having knowledge about the subject.

Having played Project M, not being able to cancel the lag in projectiles for most characters is welcome, though longer lag is pointless in characters like toon Link.

Why exactly do you find it a welcome change, especially after playing PM?

Why should you ever use fox's blaster when it has massive endlag, why should you ever use toon links bow when it has pointless endlag, why should you ever use samus' missiles?

All of these things have been given more risk but no extra reward to compensate for it, and when you consider the fact that being able to cancel them was the thing that actually made their projectiles viable as a zoning tool, it just seems stupid.

I don't agree with this assessment at all.

I definitely do, it's always been a bit of a persistent thing in smash games, it's why a lot of moves in the games aren't used at all in competitive play, they've just never had a good enough reward to outweigh the risk compared to other moves/characters.

It's just that some characters seem to be getting more risk without increased reward whilst others are getting less risk but the same level of reward as before.

 

[Red Arremer]

I don't believe it because of this:

What I find noteworthy is that King Kihunter only appears in Metroid Other M, but the trophy says "Metroid series". Each of the other 3 trophies is specific with the games the characters appear in, including Tiki (since she appears in more than one game).

 

[Jintor]

Oh of course, totally forgot.

Falcon didn't get a title card though, weird

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Oh yeah - Veteran reveals in a trailer is a new thing right?

Charizard in the Greninja Trailer and Mr Game & Watch in the Pac-Man trailer say no.

Edit: Beaten.

 

[zroid]

This is why I think my idea of being able to change the colours of certain hot spots on the outfit (i.e Mario's hat, shirt, dungarees, gloves and shoes) to make your own custom alt colour is needed because another red dungaree blue shirt Mario is unlikely so some people's wishes will never be granted.

Also then I can get Wario's Woods NES Wario.

That's a nice idea for sure

 

[IntelliHeath]

It seems that my account just got verified. Took less than a month .
Any hoosle, here is my first post. I just made this

Welcome to SmashGAF!

Wow, whoever wrote up that rumor didn't proof themselves. The Mii Fighters aren't on his mock character select screen... instant debunk.

Did you read the explanation about Mii Fighter being not on select screen? I know it's more likely to be fake.