Legend of Korra Book 3: Change |OT| SCHEDULEBENDING
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Only place its available at the moment is Amazon and even that's only the first three episodes Amazon Book 3
Still no word from Nick on when or if its going on itunes or their website
Pretty much if you don't catch it live on nick you're going to be waiting a while if you want to watch through legal methods
the only flaw in an otherwise excellent season. Probably the worst character of the show
That makes sense.
She's not getting lame arrow, she want a damn burning skull with crossed guns on her head and she will get it and then ride on her motorcycle with her bitch Kai into the sunset.
badcrumble
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Sure, but you have to agree that an earthbender being able to produce heat like that is kind of dumb, though. Like, fire itself is superheated air, lightning can be produced from friction in the air...
I can't stand these nothing happened posts.
The season started off with the discovery of new air benders existing. The consequences of how a new nation is developed isn't nothing.
Just say all you care about are storylines where people have an excuse to fight each other because you want to be "properly" entertained.
The season started off with the discovery of new air benders existing. The consequences of how a new nation is developed isn't nothing.
Just say all you care about are storylines where people have an excuse to fight each other because you want to be "properly" entertained.
There is water in the earth, fire can be created through friction, lightening through air, etc. The elements are all interconnected.
badcrumble
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I'm aware of those facts, but part of the point of the fiction is for the assorted types of bending to be roughly well-balanced against each other. If everyone else can create heat but firebenders can't really directly affect the other elements that's kind of a bunch of bullshit.
Firebenders can melt stone too. And I am pretty sure you can manipulate airflow with heat. In fact, didn't Jeong Jeong fly when the White Lotus attacked Ba Sing Se?
That's never been a core tenant of the show, whereas "Everything is connected" explicitly is.
Also, in The Avatar and the Firelord, we saw Sozin cooling off parts of the volcano by firebending the heat away. Extrapolating from that, a firebender should be able to, for instance, freeze water by bending the heat from it. The bending arts are very versatile, you just have to open your mind to the possibilities, as Bumi Sr. would say.
Oh yeah, it was totally in line with Tenzin. I'm just finding I don't like Tenzin all that much. Which is a shame, because I really liked him in Book 1. =/
Yeah this is it. I think it's the way his arc is going that is making me dislike him. I feel like there is no progression and he always goes two steps back (I guess this is an issue with the show in general).
Yeah he was pretty much flying but then again he did have help from Sozin's Comet
But yeah I don't really have an issue with the lava bending as from what we've seen so far from the show people are always learning new forms of bending as time goes on, So it would kinda make sense over time new forms of bending would start to appear in the world
We've already seen metal bending and Lightning bending go from non-existent or rare to a sort of common thing in less than 70 years
I think you are right that I'm projecting a lot of my own emotions on to a situation that can be read multiple ways. But for me, it all still comes back to Toph being a terrible person/parent. I just can't find an excuse for her actions. While I get that she was trying to protect her daughter in this moment, she had an entire lifetime to DO something about her doing criminal activity and looking the other way.
Forcing Lin to be complicit in corruption IMO is truly terrible of her, especially when she should have taken care of the daughter a long time ago. And for me, her actions are terrrible because of how she not only makes Lin complicit in this corruption, she scolds Lin for doing what was right (and this kind of speaks to Toph's overall disappointment of Lin for trying to follow in her footsteps). It's a really ass-backwards kind of relationship, and Lin did nothing wrong here.
So Toph siding with the daughter in this scene, to me is just awful (because it's a culmination of a bunch of bullshit over the years), and mistreatment of Lin by her mother and sister. And yes, I do think Toph being let down in Lin trying to be like her, and always letting the sister tear the family apart IS a mistreatment of Lin.
she does? all she's done this season is get her ass captured and be rescued by kai
Yeah this plot kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Then again, I've thought the whole "Jinora growing up" plot has been a joke. Jinora in Book 1 was a serious book work. Jinora Book 2 was this really "out going kind of spacy girl" that supposedly always had a deep connection with nature and spirits (we see a pretty big shift in her personality to fit the narrative). And now in Book 3, she's totally this mature girl that can bend air as good as Tenzin....
Wat. I feel like we are being told about Jinoras supposed growth rather than seeing it. It's really jarring, and pretty fuckin annoying if you ask me (I get pissy when characters try to act like they know more than they do, and then the writers turning around and caving in and saying YEAH well maybe its the mentors fault for not seeing it). They kept doing this with Korra, justifying her shitty attitude and missteps by having it be Tenzin's fault for not seeing it. But it's okay, she was really right all along right? It's just, people didn't really know how grown up she really was. Bleh .
And while I do get Tenzin is flawed and stubborn, it doesn't mean his pupils are actually right all along (or stronger than they think they are).
patently false
It's basically true in terms of her air bending. You don't get your tattoos until your a master air bender/ air nomad. She doesn't have a good track record in that regard. Been pretty handy with that spirit projection shit though.
This is what I'm talking about. Thing is, Jinora isn't probably ready for her Tattoos. But Tenzin being such a shitty teacher kind of makes her argument that she is...seem reasonable. By allowing Tenzin to be such a bad adult figure (I mean even beyond just being a teacher, but just a guidance figure in general), it pretty much allows characters that think they are better than they are, to have a ground to stand on since Tenzin is so obviously bad at what he does too (so who is he to challenge what they are saying).
I hate that the writers have given characters the grounds to make an argument that they are better than they are, because Tenzin is SO bad. It was slightly annoying in Book 1 (not as bad, because you just chalked it up to Tenzin having to train someone outside his family for the first time, and Korra had a headstrong personality). But they've really doubled down on Tenzin being an incompetent fool, so it just allows these characters to run all over him, and gives them a justification for their terrible attitudes. This is why I hated how Book 2 presented the Korra being locked up storyline (and Tenzin and her father being liars). Of course now later on they have written it so THEY had a good reason. But during Book 2 there wasn't a good reason. And it basically perpetuated this idea that, Korra was being lied to and having the wishes of others forced on to her (so this justifies her anger and her flaws).
And while yeah, Korra being kept away from the world is definitely a reason for her problems....it never justified her terrible behavior towards others, and her general douchiness. But the writers said it did.
Dusk Soldier
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Aang got his tattoos when he was twelve, Jinora is fourteen. She's been studying airbending pretty much her entire life, and she's mastered astral projection, a pretty high-level airbending technique.
Not to mention, in Aang's flashbacks pretty much everyone had tattoos except the children. You don't have to be an airbender elite to get them.
Jinora is more than advanced enough for airbender tattoos.
Not to mention, in Aang's flashbacks pretty much everyone had tattoos except the children. You don't have to be an airbender elite to get them.
Jinora is more than advanced enough for airbender tattoos.
Cloud Strife
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Pretty sure Jinora is 11. But I still agree with you.
I still don't think Jinora has proven she is a master air bender (she has a pretty bad track record, and also is immature). So I can't entirely blame Tenzin for not thinking she's ready. But again, Tenzin being immature and a terrible teacher ALLOWS for her to call him out on this. Meh.
Eh this week episode was a little weak, not bad though I can't believe Toph is a bad mother and cop tut tut. Aang would be disappointed.
Also Korra is scaring me by being reasonable? :|
Aang was the Avatar, Jinora is a mary sue character whom the viewer is told is strong but we don't actually see it.
Until Jinora backs up her statement with the viewer actually seeing it she ain't getting any tattoos.
Also Korra is scaring me by being reasonable? :|
Aang was the Avatar, Jinora is a mary sue character whom the viewer is told is strong but we don't actually see it.
Until Jinora backs up her statement with the viewer actually seeing it she ain't getting any tattoos.
The Promise makes Ozai's abuse of Zuko a way of getting revenge on Ursa, though, not a result of his feelings for Zuko in particular. That casts the whole family dynamic in a very different light.
Aang was clearly about to kill Zuko when he went into the Avatar State, and it was only Katara intervening that got him out of the AS and back into control of himself. Very nearly the same chain of events as happened in "The Southern Air Temple", actually, but the comics are nothing if not full of callbacks to the original series.
I don't really find the way characterization is handled in the comics to be a minor issue. The most obnoxious part is how The Promise basically forces Zuko and Aang through the exact same arcs they already had (and supposedly overcame) in Book 3. Zuko is conflicted about his feelings for his father, he's torn between the Fire Nation and the Avatar, while Aang is at odds with his past lives and struggles to hold onto his pacifist ideals in a complex war. They pretty much just hit the reboot button, except the whole thing is handled more clumsily than the original.
But yeah, opinions. I don't want to tell anyone how to feel about the comics, but my own feelings on them are quite strong. xP
Yeah, Jinora's spiritual prowess was so out of left field (and so poorly explained), it's still one of the worst elements of Book 2 in my mind. While I'm generally glad that Book 3 is actually exploring the consequences of its predecessors a bit, this is one thing I wish they'd retcon away. :lol But yeah, Jinora has been all over the place and I think you're spot-on with your take on her.
Yep. From what we've seen in terms of fights, I'd say Meelo is a better airbender than Jinora.
the show has not done a good job of showing that jinora has any particular air bending ability
her saying that she has mastered all the techniques tenzin has is all well and good but five minutes later she gets captured by a dude with a net, which we see later being dodged by a brand new air bender. she is then rescued by kai (again). she does zero actual air bending throughout the entire ordeal.
if the show expects me to believe jinora has mastered air bending then it should be showing it, not telling it. at this point the only thing the show has shown about jinora is that she has a very strong
WrenchNinja
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Aang passed 35 of the 36 levels of Airbending but gained his tattoos by creating a new airbending technique with the Air Scooter. He's the youngest ever airbender to receive bis tattoos.
What the fuck has Jinora ever done?
Slamtastic
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She can astral project. If that's the airbending metal/blood/lightning equivalent special technique (as hinted at by Jinora describing it as such in a joke when she found Kai) that the guru made (which Zaheer used to locate them?), then she learned a rare and high level airbending ability that the guru was famous/legendary for being able to do.
As a storytelling device this is so awful though. So she deserves her tattoos since she can astral project, an insane power that had no build up and wasn't earned or makes any logical sense. Even if we tried to argue this qualifies her, it's not satisfying from a story perspective.
Jinora is still lacking in air bending (or at least we haven't been shown she's mastered it). And outside her astral projection being handy a couple times, she hasn't shown she's a master of air bending. At least Aang while immature, seemed to understand air bending at a master level and had an understanding of how to control the element as well as what it meant to be an air nomad.
He was just forced to abandon his childhood as the world demanded the next Avatar.
Chezzymann
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I loved episodes 6 & 7. Really surprised to see all the negative reactions in this thread, I didn't feel the quality dropped at all in these episodes, even if they didn't get into Zaheer's backstory yet. They still got another half of the season to go for that. I actually liked the flashbacks for lin too, its great to get more back story for her character and they didn't feel forced. Episode 7 may be a little "Fillerish" but it gave us a lot of character progress and helped continue a few important plot points (Like rebuilding the air nation), even if they don't directly have to do with the main story. Sure there's a few things that didn't add up (Like Jinora's arc over the series) but at least to me these episodes were just as good as the last few.
At least the reviews seem to be agreeing with me
Thank you, thank you, thank you for saying this. ^^^^^
I loved "The Original Airbenders", it gave us great humor, character building (even if it is true that Tenzin's schtick of a failed teacher is a bit tired by now) and more information about the Air Nomads and airbending.
I thought it address the subject of how difficult it will be to turn these new airbenders into Air Nomads very well and the battle at the end was great. I'm dying to see Jinora get her tattoos.
I think a lot has happened. I've been happy with the season so far. However I can understand why some feel the main conflict has been too far to the back. At the very least it would be nice to know their motivation/goal.
I agree that, when it comes to actually fighting, we haven't seen much onscreen mastery by Jinora, but that doesn't mean she isn't truly an airbending master, especially if that astral projection technique really is an advance airbending technique. Many other bending arts reward "Master" tittles based on other achievements besides superior fighting skills.
Pakku called Katara "Master" after only weeks of being trained by him, and even invited Aang to learn from her "a master." Yes, Katara was also very prodigious, but Jinora has been learning airbending for years, so it doesn't really seem to me to be a big mystery if she truly is a master or not. I'm pretty certain she is.
Besides, she's 11 at the start of the series and most likely (now that 6 months have past) 12 or near 12 by now, the same age as Aang.
On the subject of Lin and her sister, I will only say that I completely understand Lin, but also Suyin. I've gotten into plenty of fights with my brother (who is also almost 5 years younger than me, like Suyin is to Lin) and can understand how, even though I might be right that my brother wronged me, the elder sibling can sometimes be too self-righteous to let things go. The whole episode really resonated with me.
EDIT: I do agree though that they need to show sooner or latter that Jinora can do more with airbending besides astral projection, or at least stop making her be "damselized" all the time and rescued by Tenzin/Kai
I agree with you, but I think the notion that any of the episodes from Book 3 are on par with ATLA (which a bunch of people were saying) is being tested. Basically, I think a lot of people were surprised that Book 3 was good at all, and so it got hyped up a bit too much, and now everyone's coming back down to earth. I agree with you (despite my criticisms) that these were not bad episodes, especially not by Korra's standards.
Most of the impatience comes from knowing how little time is left in this season, too.
To be fair, from what I've read (and I did read all of the reactions from a couple of pages back) most people didn't actually hate the episode, or even the writing, but they are panicking because they believe the season's 13 episodes shouldn't be wasted on fillers like these, or at least they are worried that this means the Zaheer storyline will be rushed.
Reviewers are indeed agreeing that these episodes where great, so there's that. And my boyfriend (who isn't that big of an Avatar fan like I am, but recognized a lot of the series' failures) says these two episodes were very good and are still way better than Book 2 and even Book 1, which is what most here are still saying. Even if these weren't "as good" as the rest of Book 3 so far, they aren't bad. At least, not compare to the rest of LOK.
For what it's worth, the next to episodes seem to be all about Zaheer and judging by the episode titles from here and towards the finale,
it's all plot plot plot. The final episode tittle even hints that the story arch might continue in Book 4.
Admiral Woofington
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Considering that they now have about 5 more episodes left in the season and the bad guys haven't even been introduced to Korra, this'll probably mean that we have maybe 1 episode of Zaheer attacking air temple island with his buddies and say defeating Tenzin, then Korra getting there and seeing the aftermath, then finding each other, then maybe some of the cool fight scenes like the great gif floating around of Mako on a wall, then it's up to the show. I just find it weird that we've had slightly over half the season and nothing feels developed from the new guys.
We just introduced a new character 3 episodes ago that looks like she'll be big enough, seeing how they're making her out to be Bolin's love interest, and she's had little development outside of liking bolin, being refreshingly and over-the-top straightforward, and standing up to her parents. The villains don't matter outside of why they want to do the evil'ing they are doing which can be done in an episode.
Chezzymann
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I wonder if this seasons story arc will continue into season 4? I guess it probably won't considering every season so far has had a different one.
Freezasaurus
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Considering that they've been showing two episodes per week, and have yet to put any episodes up on their own On Demand or website, I'm getting the impression that Nickelodeon just doesn't give a shit and wants to get this over with as soon as possible so they can get back to airing shit that no one watches in that time slot.
Dreadnought
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I enjoyed both episodes, it gave quite a bit of character development and slowed things down a bit which is needed. One of the biggest issues with the Legend of Korra is everything is usually jumping ahead so rapidly since there are so few episodes but this allowed some development while setting things up and I appreciated that.
Both episodes were good stuff in the end. Far too many people want to see shit happen while complaining about how everything just happened without any set up, yet this is what we got here.
Also Zaheer can do the spirit stuff, shouldn't be surprised on that one.
Both episodes were good stuff in the end. Far too many people want to see shit happen while complaining about how everything just happened without any set up, yet this is what we got here.
Also Zaheer can do the spirit stuff, shouldn't be surprised on that one.
LAUGHTREY
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They're a threat, but they're not the leader of a huge gathering of people.
The only thing the bad benders are a threat to is Korra, and if they showed up every week like Rita Repulsa they wouldn't be as scary or create as much tension when they actually fight.
Admiral Woofington
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Yeah its ridiculous. Is there something going on with korra? Have ratings dropped so badly they just want to finish it? Is the fan base smaller than I thought?
victreeb3l
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Liked both of the episodes, 7 moreso than 6. I thought Lin and Suyin's beef would be something more than what we got but I guess its good the two sisters are in good terms.
Loved watching the Airbenders do their thing. Those baby bison are too damn cute.
Kai reminds me a lot of Aang. He just wants to have fun.
I just dont like how Tenzin is made out to be out of touch with everything. He cant train Korra, he cant train these new airbenders. Its like they want him to be a failed character.
Meelo is still the best though. Sadistic little dude.
Loved watching the Airbenders do their thing. Those baby bison are too damn cute.
Kai reminds me a lot of Aang. He just wants to have fun.
I just dont like how Tenzin is made out to be out of touch with everything. He cant train Korra, he cant train these new airbenders. Its like they want him to be a failed character.
Meelo is still the best though. Sadistic little dude.
More importantly, is the fan base smaller than their other shows? Because even if ratings were low by avatar standards, that should still be high compared to their other shows.
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