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Astral Projection stuff is something completely new, that she randomly obtained without it really being explained. So I don't see why that is being used as proof. And as far as everything else, while I agree fighting doesn't = master air bending, we haven't been shown anything else to indicate she is ready for the Tattoos.

That said, if you choose to believe she is, then Tenzin is just being a stubborn fool again. So either way you look at this, it's not a very good plot point (someone looks bad here).

Edit: to be clear I really liked episode 6 and thought 7 was fine. I didn't hate anything, just some small complaints (and most of these complaints stem from larger issues I had ). Episode 7s ending was really incredible. And the Tenzin stuff isn't bad in terms of the episode. I just have bigger issues with him that made aspects of this episode not as enjoyable for me personally.

The astral projection stuff, unfortunately, is a hold-over from Book 2 which was quite messy. They definitely missed the opportunity to show how she developed her "spirity powers".

I just can't help but love grumpy, stubborn Tenzin. It's made even better with his interactions with Bumi. I find it endearing. <3

i want P'Li to fry eggs with her mind

Wouldn't the eggs just explode?

That's one of the weakness of the combustion thing. Other than aiming you don't have much control over it.
 
The astral projection stuff, unfortunately, is a hold-over from Book 2 which was quite messy. They definitely missed the opportunity to show how she developed her "spirity powers".

I just can't help but love grumpy, stubborn Tenzin. It's made even better with his interactions with Bumi. I find it endearing. <3



Wouldn't the eggs just explode?

That's one of the weakness of the combustion thing. Other than aiming you don't have much control over it.

Yeah, I'm willing to accept the astral projection stuff for what it is. But I kind of hate how Jinora + everyone else is making it an example of why she's ready for her tattoos. That was my only point. I think from a storytelling perspective it feels weak. And even within the story itself, it's kind of silly (that, that alone is proof she's mastered air bending). But whatever. I'm in the group that doesn't think Tenzin should 100% hold on to the past. I think he should let up on some of the practices.

Interesting you like Tenzin! I guess for me, it's the combination of him being imcompetent and stubborn, that kind of makes me not like him as much as I used to. If he was actually bad ass and was good at what he does, then I would be more okay with him being stubborn (if it was played off like, everyone else just doesn't want to listen. Or, while Tenzin is really incredible, some of his methods are outdated).

I was half expecting this episode to turn into a "no one will listen to the master, but then all of his techniques will come into play later" kind of thing. We saw that moment where the guy with the shaved head could feel the net behind him. But alas, this isn't what the episode was set up around. Tenzin didn't teach them anything because he's an incompetent fool. And so the last part (which was really great) where everyone came together, really had nothing to do with him, or his teachings.
 
Im really hoping the series continues after Book 4. I just got a killer idea. It would be awesome if we saw an Avatar that was born to the Earth Kingdom's Royal Family. They we're raised to be a weapon instead and the series would see them go from would-be conquerer to Champion
 
Yeah, I'm willing to accept the astral projection stuff for what it is. But I kind of hate how Jinora + everyone else is making it an example of why she's ready for her tattoos. That was my only point. I think from a storytelling perspective it feels weak. And even within the story itself, it's kind of silly (that, that alone is proof she's mastered air bending). But whatever. I'm in the group that doesn't think Tenzin should 100% hold on to the past. I think he should let up on some of the practices.

Interesting you like Tenzin! I guess for me, it's the combination of him being imcompetent and stubborn, that kind of makes me not like him as much as I used to. If he was actually bad ass and was good at what he does, then I would be more okay with him being stubborn (if it was played off like, everyone else just doesn't want to listen. Or, while Tenzin is really incredible, some of his methods are outdated).

I was half expecting this episode to turn into a "no one will listen to the master, but then all of his techniques will come into play later" kind of thing. We saw that moment where the guy with the shaved head could feel the net behind him. But alas, this isn't what the episode was set up around. Tenzin didn't teach them anything because he's an incompetent fool. And so the last part (which was really great) where everyone came together, really had nothing to do with him, or his teachings.

Which I love (even if it is overdone at this point).

I really hope the writers have a goal for his character though. I.E. being his own man and not not what circumstance and his father wanted him to be.

I would love to see the series end with Tenzin relinquishing control of the Air Nomads to Bumi/his children and going out into the world to find himself.
 
Which I love (even if it is overdone at this point).

I really hope the writers have a goal for his character though. I.E. being his own man and not not what circumstance and his father wanted him to be.

I would love to see the series end with Tenzin relinquishing control of the Air Nomads to Bumi/his children and going out into the world to find himself.

he got a wife and kids
 
I hope the end of this arc is just these fools getting rekt. And they are like " WTF " and then she is like " ... I'm the fucking avatar . Eat shit, I fought against the end of the world last season, you are mere men "

well yeah she can go into the avatar state whenever she wants, she should wreck the shit out of them
 
Because as of now, I really don't even know if I even like Tenzin. And this is someone I really liked in Book 1. But I mean, the guy is often stubborn, foolish, angry, and pretty incompetent even as an air bender (we are told he's a master, but we don't ever see him do much with it). So I'm not even really sure what I'm supposed to hold on to with him anymore. I guess...he can give some pretty good heart to heart moments every once in a while. *shrugs*

Honestly, at this point, I'm wondering if Aang didn't just give Tenzin master status because there were no other airbenders around and Aang was terrified at the idea of the art dying out, rather than Tenzin actually having earned the status. I mean, we see Tenzin do some neat tricks every now and then, but have they ever mentioned what the airbending technique that he invented was? Considering that Tenzin is the only airbending master in the entire world, and that he's had several episodes focus on him now, it seems like the kind of thing that would have come up. Unless ... Aang was getting desperate towards the end of his life and made an exception for Tenzin, who is too insecure/embarrassed to admit it to anyone. It's not like there are any other airbenders to challenge him on it, except maybe Zaheer now.

This is probably not accurate but consider it my contribution to the crazy fan theory pool. :P
 
I forgot about the air wheel. It does seem like a more modern sort of move, though I don't recall if they mention its origin.

Ah well, it's after midnight here, so I shouldn't really be theorizing anyway.
 
Honestly, at this point, I'm wondering if Aang didn't just give Tenzin master status because there were no other airbenders around and Aang was terrified at the idea of the art dying out, rather than Tenzin actually having earned the status. I mean, we see Tenzin do some neat tricks every now and then, but have they ever mentioned what the airbending technique that he invented was? Considering that Tenzin is the only airbending master in the entire world, and that he's had several episodes focus on him now, it seems like the kind of thing that would have come up. Unless ... Aang was getting desperate towards the end of his life and made an exception for Tenzin, who is too insecure/embarrassed to admit it to anyone. It's not like there are any other airbenders to challenge him on it, except maybe Zaheer now.

This is probably not accurate but consider it my contribution to the crazy fan theory pool. :P

Sounds reasonable to me. Seriously. Better than the explanation we have now.

tenzin invented the air wheel i assume

Psh. Tenzin is bested by a 1 week old air bender and his own 11 year old daughter. Aang probably taught him the wheel. :P
 
does it bother anyone else that varrick is running around zaofu and no one cares? i know the show portrays him as a goofball but he did engage in war profiteering, stole asami's company from her, conspired to kidnap the president, and escaped custody. yet no one cares, not even lin i-care-more-about-justice-than-family beifong. does asami not deserve justice?
 
You know what I just realised? Next year is the tenth anniversary of Avatar: The Last Airbender. I wonder if they're going to be doing something really special for Season 4 of Korra to celebrate.
 
Even though Nick is trying desperately to strangle Korra in its crib I have a dream scenario where they double back, remake the entire thing, spread the Amon arc out over two seasons, then maybe rework the story in such a way as to get these guys free and then end with Harmonic Convergence.

It'll never happen tho

Amon is a final boss caliber villain.
 
I always saw Tenzin as the guy who given any other circumstance would have just been an extra in the air nomad society. He isn't remarkable in any way, except for his devotion to his culture. He is the airbender we'd all be, but due to lack of any other qualified person, he has had to take on a roll that he could never fully live up to.
 
Sounds reasonable to me. Seriously. Better than the explanation we have now.

Thanks! I hope that if this or something similar is the case, that we get to see Tenzin come to terms with the situation and perhaps grow as a person as a result, even if he doesn't grow as an airbender. I don't see that happening if they keep swelling the cast, though.

I always saw Tenzin as the guy who given any other circumstance would have just been an extra in the air nomad society. He isn't remarkable in any way, except for his devotion to his culture. He is the airbender we'd all be, but due to lack of any other qualified person, he has had to take on a roll that he could never fully live up to.

I can't say that I saw Tenzin like this in the beginning, in part because he was hyped up as "Mr Spiritual" before he even appeared onscreen, but it seems more and more like the most probable situation to me.
 
Amon is a final boss caliber villain.

Loop it around. Amon is powered by Vaatu/is Vaatu/is an aspect of Vaatu/is that faceless asshole from ATLA

Air Wheel is fucking boss though. Think it does damage as well?

Fuck me when are we going to see gameplay for the Platinum game?
 
Oh man, you just reminded me of all the "Amon is Koh" theories from Book 1. That was always my favorite, that Koh was involved somehow. Kinvara brought up loose ends from ATLA a few pages back, but to be honest, Koh's unresolved "we will meet again" line was always the loose end that bugged me the most. He was so cool and it's a shame we never got to see more of him. I was convinced when I was 13 that Koh was going to make an appearance in the final season of ATLA somehow. :lol
 
You know what I just realised? Next year is the tenth anniversary of Avatar: The Last Airbender. I wonder if they're going to be doing something really special for Season 4 of Korra to celebrate.

Don't forget also that when korra airs it Book 3 finale that will technically have been the 100th overall episode of Avatar

Would certainly be nice if nick did something special for the 10 year anniversary
 
Loop it around. Amon is powered by Vaatu/is Vaatu/is an aspect of Vaatu/is that faceless asshole from ATLA

Air Wheel is fucking boss though. Think it does damage as well?

Fuck me when are we going to see gameplay for the Platinum game?
We've only ever seen him use it against those mecha tanks. I bet it would mess people up if he used it head on.

Y'know I think people are being too hard on Tenzin. He hasn't really had a good showing mostly cause he's been at a disadvantage.

Don't forget also that when korra airs it Book 3 finale that will technically have been the 100th overall episode of Avatar

Would certainly be nice if nick did something special for the 10 year anniversary
Oh wow. That is insane. I wonder if they specially planned for the finale to be the 100th episode. It's got to be something really special.
 
If Koh had been Amon or been powering Amon somehow that would've been a fantastic looparound.

But noooooooooooo, it had to be some fucking asshole who gets an episode full of background exposition in the last second
 
You guys are focusing way too much on ratings and stuff. They'd have to be really, really low for Season 4 to not air, and they'd have to be ridiculously high for us to get a season 5. Like, unrealistic in both directions.

Just be happy we're getting 2 episodes a week.

Speaking of which, is the promo for next week up anywhere?
 
Even if the ratings were extremely high, I don't think we'd see a Book 5. ATLA closed out with 5.5 million viewers but they had reached the end of the story and so that was that. I believe Bryke when they say they want the story to have a beginning and an end. Book 4 is pretty much guaranteed too since it's already fairly far along. That said, we don't know what else might be in the pipeline for this franchise or for other Bryke projects, but I can't imagine crappy ratings are good for those prospects.
 
Amon is a final boss caliber villain.

Amon could have lasted for two seasons, but i think its good that there are other villains too they would have gotten boring after all four seasons, and even if the equalist movement was wasted, changing Amons backstory is not necessary, he was Yakone unstable son, they just could had handled it better, without explaining all of his backstory at the last episode, have Korra find out that he was a waterbender before the finale, fight him and he escapes at the end of Book one, show more of the equalists and this supposed opression they had, show more of the triads and what danger they represent to nonbenders, less shipping,show the aftermath of the equalists finding who he was, explain more about bloodbending, show Korra hearing the equalists point of view at the end, i think everything was too rushed

Korra has some good ideas, but terrible execution
 
Rewatching ATLA with my friend and man I forgot how much I love this show. Just finished season 2 with him. All of the Dai li and earth bending stuff is so fucking interesting and the topics such as horrible shit like secret jails, mind washing and loss are so great. It's also great to see the relationship of a team avatar who don't want to fuck each other and create drama. I mean sure there are aang and katara but the evolution of their relationship feels natural from older/younger sibling to friend and eventually romance.

I feel like once again it's so unfair for korra seasons to be so short. Not only that but the writing isn't as funny or clever or strong in general. I mean they had the whole anti bender movement in season 1 which could've expanded to so much more but instead they ended it because they thought it was a mini series. Then season 2 which outside of the clusterfuck had potential with a civil war story..... which they once again ruined by adding all this other shit to focus on. ATLA just feels like it has a direction and goes with it, with characters developing naturally and slowly.

I'm enjoying season 3 but rewatching the original really puts into perspective just how big of a difference they are in quality.
 
The Tale of Momo pretty much made me cry. That was some emotional stuff man. I dont think I'll ever care for any of the characters in Korra the same way I did in ATLA.

Season 3 is definitely a huge step up. I've enjoyed every episode so far.
 
The Tale of Momo pretty much made me cry. That was some emotional stuff man. I dont think I'll ever care for any of the characters in Korra the same way I did in ATLA.

Season 3 is definitely a huge step up. I've enjoyed every episode so far.
See for me Uncle's short story was heartbreaking. Sure momos and appas episode are sweet because they show the individual personalities of the two animals in team avatar. But uncles episode showing just why he's so nice to everybody else as he sings to his dead son's grave and cries gets to me every time.
 
I've always loved the implication there was a time when Iroh wasn't the peaceful old tubby fella he was today. He was the Dragon of the West after all, and poised to become the next Fire Lord. And he had Azulon for a dad, right? He must've been one fierce bastard when he was younger.
 
I've always loved the implication there was a time when Iroh wasn't the peaceful old tubby fella he was today. He was the Dragon of the West after all, and poised to become the next Fire Lord. And he had Azulon for a dad, right? He must've been one fierce bastard when he was younger.
Well at the very least he showed his badass action side more often, not to mention using his ruthless brilliant mind for combat and understanding of the nations for combat. A well balanced individual. But it always seemed clear to me that he had his goofy side to him. Hence why in the flashback showing zukos mom they have azula complaining how their father deserved to be the leader instead of that fool. What came from the sons death is more likely an appreciation for peace and a deeper sense of love for his beloved family members, which in this case is zuko since the other two are psychos.

Such a great and complicated character. So glad they brought him back, if only for a few episodes, in korra.
 
See for me Uncle's short story was heartbreaking. Sure momos and appas episode are sweet because they show the individual personalities of the two animals in team avatar. But uncles episode showing just why he's so nice to everybody else as he sings to his dead son's grave and cries gets to me every time.

Yeah the ending of that episode made me tear up when I first saw it. The voice acting is great. It always gets me when Iroh starts to choke up and you can hear his pain as he struggles to finish the song.

A damn powerful moment. ATLA had several moments that really hit me hard. Zuko and Iroh reuniting in the finale gave me chills.
 
I've always loved the implication there was a time when Iroh wasn't the peaceful old tubby fella he was today. He was the Dragon of the West after all, and poised to become the next Fire Lord. And he had Azulon for a dad, right? He must've been one fierce bastard when he was younger.
I somewhere transcripted the flashback where Iroh writes a letter to his family. I can't find this post anymore, but let's just say his style writing put a smile on AZULA's face.
 
Yeah the ending of that episode made me tear up when I first saw it. The voice acting is great. It always gets me when Iroh starts to choke up and you can hear his pain as he struggles to finish the song.

A damn powerful moment. ATLA had several moments that really hit me hard. Zuko and Iroh reuniting in the finale gave me chills.

Multiple parts in the finale, and the last 10 minutes gave me chills.

Such a great show. I hope Korra can live up to it.
 
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"I've had it up to here with these kids! Why can't you just go gallivanting around the world like any NORMAL child?!?!?!"
 
My problem with the show is the characters don't act their age. They also don't use common sense. The characters in the original show were for the most part intelligent and rational. The adults in the Korra series act like children and while you could argue that it's part of their character and the fact that they have parent issues I don't buy it. Tenzin is a man child. He has been planning the rebirth of the Air Nomads his entire life and when suddenly it happens he flips between recruitment styles like a buffoon and alienates newcomers with his bipolar teaching style.
 
You know what I just realised? Next year is the tenth anniversary of Avatar: The Last Airbender. I wonder if they're going to be doing something really special for Season 4 of Korra to celebrate.

Ugh. I really hope we get something.

We'd be lucky for even a marathon of the original series on Nick at this point.
 
Agreed. But she was now responsible for kids SHE decided to have (well, unless they were accidents). But still, at a certain point she should have taken responsibility and done better.

Can't leave the men she banged out of the equation too.

I still don't get why they haven't been introduced or alluded too.
 
Agreed. But she was now responsible for kids SHE decided to have (well, unless they were accidents). But still, at a certain point she should have taken responsibility and done better.

Unfortunately, we don't know much about grown-up Toph except for this incident and what Lin/Suyin have said.

It leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Why didn't Toph get their fathers involved in raising their own children? Why didn't she at least tell them who their fathers were?
 
Tenzin still remains one of my favourite characters in the series, and above all else, I'm surprised he hasn't snapped from all the pressure & responsibilities he has on his shoulders. (That is, unless he does in the recent episode, as I haven't had a chance to watch it just yet.)
 
Unfortunately, we don't know much about grown-up Toph except for this incident and what Lin/Suyin have said.

It leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Why didn't Toph get their fathers involved in raising their own children? Why didn't she at least tell them who their fathers were?

I think a lot was implied though. I mean, this seemed to be an on going thing where Toph allowed her daughter to run wild and be a criminal, even at the expense of the family. I don't think it was just this single incident. It's also implied that Toph was disappointed in Lin for following in her footsteps (which is a pretty shitty attitude to take towards a daughter that just wants to be like you. I get WHY Toph feels that way given her history, but to actually have this be a feeling you have towards her through most of her life is IMO messed up).

I guess you are right that we are only seeing like a brief shot of who she was as an adult. So it's unfair to actually call her a terrible person. But damn. At the very least she was an awful parent.

To be fair, I always wondered why Toph became Chief of Police. I wasn't too surprised she would do something corrupt like cover up a crime for a family member. I'm not even surprised she would allow her daughter to be a criminal and do what she wants. That all jives with the Toph we knew growing up (makes her more terrible when she's a parent though). But I can't get my head around why she wanted to become Chief of Police. Does that entirely jive with her character? I always wondered this back in Book 1 too.
 
the writers needed republic city to have a police force and toph had the best skill set for the job so she became chief of police despite the fact that it doesn't fit her character
 
I actually think Toph being Chief of Police fits her character just fine.

She was stifled as a child by over-authoritative parents, and becoming a figure of authority with power of the law over others made her feel whole, as a sort of 'revenge' for what her parents put her through.
 
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