Jimquisition (July 21) - The Xbox One: A Lying Failure Machine
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The Inventor
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So much hate in this one.
Metallix87
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Because your comparison is flawed. Again, this is a vision shift, and a new SKU. The only people screwed over, as I said earlier, were Kinect enthusiasts and those who primarily were interested in the system for the Xbox original programming, and for the former, they still have their Kinects, and there will undoubtedly be some more support in the future, even if limited now by the new SKU.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Correct.
It's a microcosm of the console warz and bad forums habits of not watching/reading anything in context.
When was the last time early adopters of a console were burned within the first 9 months of ownership from launch? 3DS is the most recent one that comes to mind and they got ambassador games at least.
I already had what I wanted, an X1 with Kinect. I still have the fantastic voice commands, the automatic sign in, the ir control etc.
How is it being burned? The kinectless sku is has a reduced feature set and as such is cheaper.
licktheenvelope
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For me to buy the system or for good will?
For good will i'd like MS to admit they didn't listen to the market for the year leading up to their first X1 press conference instead of telling us how the market wasn't ready for what they were selling. I don't really need an apology even, but at least acknowledgement that they didn't even care until they got hit in the wallet.
Being the system is different since i've been driven to the PS4 and Wii U by previous happenings.
Basically now i'm waiting for a large breadth of exclusives + a slimmer console (take the TV non-sense out if possible) + less expensive (at least less than the competition which is working with better hardware).
Yes? Sorry but a lot of companies think about a lot of stuff. I buy or deny the product on offer. Again, I have no problem if you hate MS and never buy anything from them. I didn't like what they were doing around the reveal, thought about it and decided against buying one. The product on offer now is more my speed. When they release a few more games that I feel are must-haves or drop the price (with Kinect) I'll jump in. Some never will. And that's ok, we should all buy what we think is worth buying.
Lol, yeah but to be fair the boat at least had car wheels on it.
You clearly didn't watch the video or that's what I assume just by reading your post.
The truth hurts.
I don't disagree with Jim at all here, despite my dislike towards his general smug attitude (I guess that's what his fans want?).
Here's to hoping Xbox learns a thing or two from this generation and goes back to the attitude they had throughout the OG and early 360 days.
Those were fun times.
Here's to hoping Xbox learns a thing or two from this generation and goes back to the attitude they had throughout the OG and early 360 days.
Those were fun times.
That was a free victory for Sony. Microsoft presented themselves as villains and all Sony had to do was state the status quo would remain to win.
Had Microsoft not announced the dumb shit in the first place, Sony wouldn't have benefited.
Zvonimir Boban
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I don't get it, is the next system update going to brick everybody's kinect? Voice commands still work, navigation still works, all of the stuff that was advertised still works for anybody that wants to use it.
Pretty sure the smug attitude is a part of his "Jimquisition" persona. Kinda like Stephen Colbert as a parody of a conservative pundit.
Jimmyfenix
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Shin-Ra
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Xbone isn't a failure if you bought into the original vision?
sublimit
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Sony payed their price last gen as well thanks to their arrogance but they never tried to pull the BS that MS tried to pull with the XB1.
And as the above picture shows at least Kaz and the other higher ups had the decency to apologize to their consumers for the hacked PSN incident. MS not only never tried to apologize for their lies but they were blaming the actual consumers for not accepting the XB1 as it was originally meant to be.
I've seen gamers here and elsewhere praising Microsoft lately for its policy reversals, as if Microsoft did it all because it realized it was in the wrong. Microsoft has always blamed consumers for not being "ready" for its vision instead of admitting it just messed up, and that kind of garbage doesn't sit well with me.
Contrast that with earlier this year when Sony originally said the PS Plus-discounted version of Driveclub would no longer be playable to those who let their PS Plus subscription lapse even though those people would have paid an additional $50 on top of the PS Plus subscription fee just for that game. Sony reversed the policy, but they also admitted that what they were originally trying to do was inappropriate. It's just a sentence, but it conveys a totally different attitude: One where they take the heat for their inept decision making, not blame someone else.
Microsoft reversed everything because they realized they'd get creamed in sales if they didn't. To this day, they still seem confident that they were the forward-thinkers, and society is nothing but Luddites. That one day we'll be thanking them for blazing a trail or something. It's silly.
And look, I get that Microsoft's a business, and it's run by a LOT of different people, but its PR still needs major work in order to get people like me to pay attention to it again.
The 3DS. The WiiU. Hell I'm still waiting on basic PS3 features like using a USB and Mp3 playback on my PS4.
Every early adopter is burned. They are paying premium prices to subsidize future purchasers and services you have to wait for.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I thought as much. Still, I usually find his arguments interesting, despite that. Something must be wrong with me.
digoutyoursoul
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What it is now is what it should of been last year, priced accordingly. I get the impression there was too many people having a major say in what Xbox One should be and some of them having no understanding in who a gaming platform is for.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Good lord, this. The single thing that most enables shitty studio and corporate practices right now is this culture of pre-release and preemptive hype.
LOL
Do you feel this way about previous consoles across the board?
Seems like lying (or over-hyping ability) has been the norm for a ton of systems over the last 30+ years.
I'm not so sure I could be so passionate over any part of gaming at 31. Maybe as a pre-teen....I was a Nintendo fanboy at one point long ago.
Why is he willing to do it and then other execs come up right behind him to do interviews explaining how we weren't ready for the future.
Swass
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I get the sarcastic tone here and agree. Wasn't there an interview with Phil where he admitted to being a part of the Xbox One design decision process? So if that's the case why do people believe things would have been all that different with him at the helm? Mattrick is just an easy scapegoat for decisions decided by a very large group, most of whom are still probably employed there.
While harsh it is all based on actual events. I never thought I would see he hubris Sony had with the PS3 ever again in this market and boy was I wrong.
They fucked up, big time, perhaps one of the biggest fuck ups in the industry to date. It should be studied by people for years to come on how not to handle a brand or approach a market.
However while it's good to never forget and be smart with our purchasing decisions I'm actually a bit happy by all of this. Consumers sent a clear message over the last year: No more shiny shallow gimmicks to distract me to buy something and no more practices that make it actually worse for me. Just make a good product that doesn't try to screw me left, right and center with good content and a decent price. Then you can have my money. Simple.
Edit - I will say the change in management is encouraging. While possibly sneaky (it was the other guy!), Spencer is making good moves and should be able to carve out a decent second place. But yes never forget, keep an eye out, etc... as always with any purchase you make.
They fucked up, big time, perhaps one of the biggest fuck ups in the industry to date. It should be studied by people for years to come on how not to handle a brand or approach a market.
However while it's good to never forget and be smart with our purchasing decisions I'm actually a bit happy by all of this. Consumers sent a clear message over the last year: No more shiny shallow gimmicks to distract me to buy something and no more practices that make it actually worse for me. Just make a good product that doesn't try to screw me left, right and center with good content and a decent price. Then you can have my money. Simple.
Edit - I will say the change in management is encouraging. While possibly sneaky (it was the other guy!), Spencer is making good moves and should be able to carve out a decent second place. But yes never forget, keep an eye out, etc... as always with any purchase you make.
Hardly considering most of what was said was pretty much bullshit.
Opus Angelorum
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Has your account been hacked? You've had some of the worst posts I've ever read from an 'established' member recently.
Metallix87
Member
Because he's not them? I'm not sure what you're asking, exactly. If you're asking why isn't the entire company following his lead, I don't know. If you're asking why the other execs stated their message about the future, it's because I believe a lot of them truly saw some of their decisions as important to the future of entertainment.
blankempathy
Member
Do you really not get it? Its bad to sell your product with some expensive overpriced add on/option saying its required and then half a year later sell a cheaper version without said "required" option. Consoles are 5+ year investments. People bought the kinect sku of xbox one thinking that it was going to be a staple part of the xbox one and would be mandatory in the foreseeable future only to find out that it wasn't and some of them could of saved 100+ dollars because some people simply wanted to play xbox one games. I'm tired of explaining it. If you don't understand the issue then oh well.
Yup! And how they simply just didn't explain it clearly.
rofl Still have to laugh about that.
Nope. Jim is on point like he always seems to be.
Yep. THAT is definitely worth remembering.
Ironically, because Sony shot themselves in the foot with their boring as hell conference I actually thought MS's decent-ish conference was good by comparison.
Of course they both got trashed by Nintendo, I guess I didn't see that coming.
I see no reason to go out of my way to praise MS for the DRM change or the Kinect-free option or the closure of the TV studio stuff, sure.
I'm glad MS is funding games like Dark Dreams Don't Die, Phantom Dust, and Scalebound, though, as well as potentially supporting the new Raiden game. Games like this mean far more to me than the platform's features, how it is sold, its "direction", etc.
I'm glad MS is funding games like Dark Dreams Don't Die, Phantom Dust, and Scalebound, though, as well as potentially supporting the new Raiden game. Games like this mean far more to me than the platform's features, how it is sold, its "direction", etc.
I take the bow as more of a sign of Japanese humility and culture than anything. It was definitely nice to see, either way. But you are fooling yourself if you think they give a rat's ass about you or anyone else. They are a corporation who is out for profit all the same. But sure, they make nice things that I like. So does Microsoft and Nintendo and I will continue to enjoy them.
Not watching the video, not worth my time. Doesn't really matter, sure his points are fantastic and delivered in a wry british accent. Woohoo.
Please stop personifying companies.
Microsoft is not trying to screw you over. Sony is not trying to lavish you with warm fuzzies. These are not individual entities, they are conglomerate corporations ran by individuals. Some individuals may have the best intentions, some may have the worst intentions. A company can have a vision, defined by a subset of employees or board members. But it's due to the actions of leadership (a handful of individuals) at said company that said vision gets enacted (however imperfect).
Feel free to take sides, feel free to argue. I don't really care.
Please stop acting like Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo are your best buddy and love you and have your back. And that Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo are creepers that are out to get your money and never support their console.
Use this handy guide:
Console Maker
- A company that wants to make money by creating a platform, selling it to as many customers as possible however they possibly can, and then license/monetize the crap out of it.
Consumer - A person that would like to purchase a product that fits their needs and budget. See also: Consumer whore.
I don't care if a company refers to me as "human filth" internally (or even externally) as long as the customer service is satisfactory, the product is what I want and the price is right.
Which is not to say that I don't care what a company says and does, far from it. If Sony started firing gay employees because they found religion, guess what I'm not buying anymore. If Microsoft starts ritually sacrificing babies to pray for a fruitful Windows development cycle guess what I'm not buying anymore. It's also painful I need to include this caveat but the churlish pedants around the internet love to straw man stuff.
Please stop personifying companies.
Microsoft is not trying to screw you over. Sony is not trying to lavish you with warm fuzzies. These are not individual entities, they are conglomerate corporations ran by individuals. Some individuals may have the best intentions, some may have the worst intentions. A company can have a vision, defined by a subset of employees or board members. But it's due to the actions of leadership (a handful of individuals) at said company that said vision gets enacted (however imperfect).
Feel free to take sides, feel free to argue. I don't really care.
Please stop acting like Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo are your best buddy and love you and have your back. And that Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo are creepers that are out to get your money and never support their console.
Use this handy guide:
Console Maker
- A company that wants to make money by creating a platform, selling it to as many customers as possible however they possibly can, and then license/monetize the crap out of it.Consumer
- A person that would like to purchase a product that fits their needs and budget. See also: Consumer whore.I don't care if a company refers to me as "human filth" internally (or even externally) as long as the customer service is satisfactory, the product is what I want and the price is right.
Which is not to say that I don't care what a company says and does, far from it. If Sony started firing gay employees because they found religion, guess what I'm not buying anymore. If Microsoft starts ritually sacrificing babies to pray for a fruitful Windows development cycle guess what I'm not buying anymore. It's also painful I need to include this caveat but the churlish pedants around the internet love to straw man stuff.
Jimmyfenix
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Metallix87
Member
I agree with you on all counts here.
Yup, and he makes a strong argument why Microsoft's changes, while admirable enough for me to eventually get one at 299, are not enough for me to trust them or think they are currently all gravy now. They made these changes, and yet still treat us like morons in their press releases and refuse to admit to any mistakes 90% of the time. Some in the company still try to say we just didn't get their original vision.
Now it might just be lipservice and not important anymore (except for the ID@Xbox Policy, that shit is still fucked), but Sony had to change everything before I was willing to come back, and so does Microsoft. Their attitude included.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Corporations always want credit for something they supposed to do. And unfortunately people are all too willing to give it to them.
BibiMaghoo
Member
Yes, with his wife standing in the background looking at him all disappointed and shaking her head.
Larry Hryb performing seppuku would probably be too much.
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