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Notice that the suggestion of living spaces is heavily reduced. No kitchens, no bedrooms.

And what's weird is that there's a kid silhouette in the third building

 

[Kurtofan]

Here's a handy image from the IDF:

As you can see, no civilians were killed, just terrorists.

Tweeted by the official prime minister of Israel account

Killing a woman and her child? A-OK according to the Israeli leadership.

 

[m_shortpants]

Notice that the suggestion of living spaces is heavily reduced. No kitchens, no bedrooms.

And what's weird is that there's a kid silhouette in the third building

He's a human shield, can't you see?

 

[Dash_]

Notice that the suggestion of living spaces is heavily reduced. No kitchens, no bedrooms.

And what's weird is that there's a kid silhouette in the third building

But they're near missiles, so it makes it justifible to bomb the building they are in. : /

 

[Buzzman]

Come on guys, Israel had no choice but to destroy their homes so they could get access to Hamas's subterranean missile bunkers.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

It really is a double standard, but the IDF is not just this autonomous band of highly trained soldiers. They have a government controlling them through democracy, and are also backed by the US. I'd rather get into the realpolitik of the matters than trying to fight for a labeling from the international community that would fall on its face.

1. Israel is nowhere near a democracy, but this is neither the place or time to go into that.
2. Backed by the US- irrelevant. The US has backed many terrorist organizations throughout the ages if it suited their interests
3. If Hamas is labelled a terrorist organization, than IDF is more than fair game. Its members have killed and injured infinitely more innocents than Hamas could ever hope. It has terrorized, oppressed, and brutalized the residents of the West Bank and Gaza on a daily basis- especially when the region isn't in the news. Also, posts on social media from IDF soldiers show that it isn't exactly the "most moral army in the world"- many of which show deep racism and bigotry towards arabs, along with expressed desires to "kill" as many as possible, as well as celebrating these deaths.

If the definition of a terrorist organization is to spread terror, the IDF is a pretty damn good example.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Tweeted by the official prime minister of Israel account

Killing a woman and her child? A-OK according to the Israeli leadership.

What a handy chart! I'm thankful for Netanyahu and the Ministry of propaganda for this useful and educational information. I have no doubt it is 100% accurate and objective.

Reminds me of the fucking "chemical weapon trucks" diagrams that the US showed before invading Iraq. Actually looks like the same graphic design team.

Utterly Despicable.

 

[PeskyToaster]

No, the german one is certainly not such one.

And bollocks, you can have terrorist or be a torrorist without any kind of connection to a group of people trained to murder/defend people/the state. Build a bomb with the intention to harm someone or someone property and you become one.

If it's not then there's a lot of money being wasted on things designed only to kill people. The Bundeswehr might not be an offensive force. (Neither is the United States'. Department of Defense, right? Haha) but it certainly would spread a lot of fear. death and destruction, amongst an invading force. There's really no point in having a military if it's not going to be effective at killing as many people as possible.

Today, after a ruling of the Federal Constitutional Court in 1994 the term "defense" has been defined to not only include protection of the borders of Germany, but also crisis reaction and conflict prevention, or more broadly as guarding the security of Germany anywhere in the world.

This sentiment sounds awfully familiar to an American.

Your second point is why I dislike the term terrorist. It is so loosely defined and can be used against nearly anyone someone disagrees with. Any violent person can be a terrorist but we commonly restrict the definition to a violent act that spreads terror to accomplish a political or religious goal. A very wide definition.

More on topic: The saddest thing about this whole situation is that no one can win. People will die for nothing and I'm afraid the cycle won't end until a full-on Palestinian uprising occurs. Which would be devastating. The rockets into Israel have to stop but Israel is really the one holding all the cards here. There can't be a compromise by the Palestinians because they have really nothing to give.

 

[FreedomFighter]

1. Israel is nowhere near a democracy, but this is neither the place or time to go into that.
2. Backed by the US- irrelevant. The US has backed many terrorist organizations throughout the ages if it suited their interests
3. If Hamas is labelled a terrorist organization, than IDF is more than fair game. Its members have killed and injured infinitely more innocents than Hamas could ever hope. It has terrorized, oppressed, and brutalized the residents of the West Bank and Gaza on a daily basis- especially when the region isn't in the news. Also, posts on social media from IDF soldiers show that it isn't exactly the "most moral army in the world"- many of which show deep racism and bigotry towards arabs, along with expressed desires to "kill" as many as possible, as well as celebrating these deaths.

If the definition of a terrorist organization is to spread terror, the IDF is a pretty damn good example.

I think US and its allies are the sole arbiters of distributing the 'terrorist' label.

It's actually pretty fun to watch who the US considers a terrorists and when - a good example is MEK. But this amplifies your second point.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Notice that the suggestion of living spaces is heavily reduced. No kitchens, no bedrooms.

And what's weird is that there's a kid silhouette in the third building

just a future terrorist no doubt


but being serious for a second... killing these innocent people and placing them in this open air prison will just create hatred for these kids

that is it is going to do

knowing that your Mom or your Dad was killed for no reason by the same people keeping you prisoner will not make the person in question jump for joy

 

[RustyNails]

That picture :lol

 

[kess]

Tweeted by the official prime minister of Israel account

It's really weird seeing the usual benign political graphic being used in this fashion. It reminds me of the way the Bush Administration approached its PR, except it's glossier and twitterized.

 

[curlyfriski]

The sad thing is people will still take the IDF's word at face value, despite how obvious the propaganda is.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

That image is like the "Bin Laden cave headquarters" image lol.

 

[LNBL]

I found this cartoon on the website of The Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2014/jul/21/first-dog-gaza?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

 

[Tookay]

It's really weird seeing the usual benign political graphic being used in this fashion. It reminds me of the way the Bush Administration approached its PR, except it's glossier and twitterized.

If only they were cutting edge like the Obama admin's #UnitedforUkraine PR.

 

[TheRealTalker]

That image is like the "Bin Laden cave headquarters" image lol.

this is like those fortresses in SuperHero/Hollywood Action flicks

they can't be serious

 

[RustyNails]

That image is like the "Bin Laden cave headquarters" image lol.

I was sad that the penthouse suite did not have a pool and jacuzzi.

 

[Gintamen]

More on topic: The saddest thing about this whole situation is that no one can win. People will die for nothing and I'm afraid the cycle won't end until a full-on Palestinian uprising occurs. Which would be devastating. The rockets into Israel have to stop but Israel is really the one holding all the cards here. There can't be a compromise by the Palestinians because they have really nothing to give.

True, true, palestinians fight an unwinnable fight and would lose idologicaly and political in every possbile outcome unless the european forces could finally cast off any kind of anti-semitic arguments thrown at them, if they were to intervene.

 

[Maninthemirror]

If you REALLY want a true historical perspective on the palestine issue and why it is as it is today. This speech by the then UN security council Pakistani representative in 1947 by Sir Zafrullah Khan

http://aleemkhan.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/sir-zafarullah-khan-speech.pdf

no better argument in history regarding the palestine issue.

 

[LNBL]

Haha this is ridiculous, did you guys catch the mistake on ABC news a couple of days ago? I completely missed this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6L6O-Nm7mk

 

[Delusibeta]

It's kinda hilarious in a pitch-black way how utterly shameless the Israeli government is being. It also knows it'll get away with it, since no Western government will call their bullshit out.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Since we're posting graphics, here's a couple, with actual, verifiable facts, instead of IDF propaganda lies.

How Israel steals West Bank's water:

Israel's "democracy" and apartheid System:

 

[vas_a_morir]

Haha this is ridiculous, did you guys catch the mistake on ABC news a couple of days ago? I completely missed this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6L6O-Nm7mk

I tried, but that woman's smug delivery caused me to cringe out.

 

[Zen]

Almost all peace treaties are drawn up by third parties or intermediaries, so I'm not sure I understand your point.

Without a shred of proof?

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

Wait, so they they did a full sweep and only found 20 Rockets in an already vacant school? As in one that was not in use? Did you read the article or only the header?

If you are trying to establish a moral baseline that is favorable to your arguement, keep in mind only the IDF has been proven to use human shields.

The people of Israel are living in a constant state of fear, every single day sirens go off in major cities like Jerusalem and Tel Aviv forcing civilians to retreat into bomb shelters . What they are doing is a form of terrorism

1) The iron dome is more efficient than that

Since Hamas began tossing rockets indiscriminately at Israel — hoping that the Iron Dome will miss at least one of them — I’ve started a tally.

So far, I’ve run inside a bunker or a stairwell 14 times. I’ve heard at least 20 “booms” that crackle the sky as the Iron Dome intercepts a rocket. I’ve felt the ground shake from said “boom” four times.

14 Rockets over a 21 day period equals 0.66 rockets a day triggering the sirens.

The rockets are a form of terrorism, sure. Are you going to question why an organization like hamas exists? Why those Rockets are flying?

how do you reasonably expect the Israeli government to respond? Just sit there and let their people be terrorized weeks on end without a response? That is absurd. Egypt called for a cease fire and Israel agreed to the terms, while Hamas continued to reject the terms or even negotiate. The United Nations on Thursday announced that over twenty rockets were found in a Gaza School.

More in this opinion piece:

You mean the ceasefire agreement that Hamas was never consulted on, and they only heard about from the media? The one that gave absolutely NOTHING to the Palestinians to improve the status quo? The one which Hamas actually responded to with amendments (you can find these reasonable amendments online) and Israel completely ignored the response? The ceasefire that would simply return Gaza to the blockaged, sieged, starved shithole it already is, without a single concession? The one where Israel gets everything it wants, and Gaza gets nothing?

I'm getting sick of these naive, childish, ignorant responses. People fall over themselves to spout their opinion based on the propaganda they heard, and can't bother informing themselves to the actual facts. The "ceasefire agreement" was a complete sham by Israel and their pathetic Egyptian lackeys to give Israel positive PR and further put the lame on Hamas, and it was not offered in good will. If it was, they would have at least negotiated with Hamas' amendments. The plan was made to fail, and Hamas would be even more damned for accepting such a joke. Unfortunately, people like you who can't bother to do a few seconds of research is exactly what's wrong.

Do you know anything about the conflict? Israel continually taking Palestinian land? Or how they treat Ethiopian Jews? To say nothing of taking land and forcing Palestinians out in the west bank who have done everything possible to abide by peaceful coexistence with Israel?

As Jewish settlements expand, the Palestinians are being driven away

The signs of previous bouts of displacement ring the adjacent hills. Mobile homes for young Jewish settlers sprout on the hilltops. Armed with a list of military orders, Israeli soldiers are herding the West Bank’s Palestinians out of the rural 60% of the territory, officially known as Area C, where Israel has full military and civilian control, and into cities. On some days the Israeli army declares a patch of land to be a live-fire military zone. On other days they say the Palestinians must move because of an impending archaeological dig. The erection of hilltop stations to provide antennae for Israeli mobile phones (but not for Palestinian ones) is another oft-cited reason for pushing Palestinians out. Eight Palestinian hamlets around Susiya face demolition.
So far this year, Israel’s army has evicted almost 400 Palestinians from the West Bank and dismantled over 200 homes, the fastest rate for two years, according to the UN. The number of such incidents has risen sharply since a new Israeli government, with even stronger settler influence within it, took office in March. As a result, the European Union called on April 26th for an end to what it calls “the forced transfer” of Palestinians out of Area C. The Israeli army has also again demolished a restaurant, al-Maghrour, in a rural spot that was popular with Palestinians from nearby Bethlehem, which is increasingly hemmed in by settlements. In addition, some 2,300 Bedouin have recently been earmarked for removal from the strategic west-east corridor known as E1, which links Jerusalem to a big Jewish settlement, Maale Adumim, and to its smaller satellite community, Kfar Adumim, where Israel’s new housing minister, Uri Ariel, happens to reside.

Answer me in a way that acknowledges the policies of Israel in this conflict and then you and I can have a dialogue.

What would you do in the position of a Palestinian?

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Haha this is ridiculous, did you guys catch the mistake on ABC news a couple of days ago? I completely missed this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6L6O-Nm7mk

Whats amazing is that there was 90 palestinian deaths at the time. There's now 500+.

 

[MutFox]

Where did I once make it personal? Seriously? I did not level one insult towards another member, use a hostile tone, nor did I once condone the attacks made on innocent civilians. The only thing I said was Israel had the right to defend themselves due to 427 rockets being sent to their cities. This does not however give them permission to kill 500 civilians. I realize tensions are high due to the sensitive nature of the subject, but some people are incredibly out of line in this thread.

But go ahead, take your anger out on me.

Seriously, if you had to speak to the families of the people killed.
Would you try and use all the information you've posted, and try rationalize it?
What approach would you use with them?

 

[kamorra]

I tried, but that woman's smug delivery caused me to cringe out.

It was the opposite for me. I feel strangely attracted to her.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Seriously, if you had to speak to the families of the people killed.
Would you try and use all the information you've posted, and try rationalize it?
What approach would you use with them?

Armed Conflict necessitates pragmatic decision making that does not mean much to those who lost loved ones. The consequences, one way or another, lead to death. You can only hope, if you are a moral person, that your choices lead to the fewest deaths possible, now and for years to come. It's an unenviable position.

It was the opposite for me. I feel strangely attracted to her.

Ha! To each their own.

 

[Linkhero1]

IDF killed a civilian in the WestBank

Hearing reports that a Palestinian man, Mohamed Shawamreh, has just been killed by the #IDF in #Ramallah. #WestBank #Palestine

https://twitter.com/MMVickery/status/491324403796697088

Edit: Talked to family and they're saying it was settlers who killed him and not IDF. Will keep you guys updated once there's a news source.

I will be in the WestBank in less than two weeks visiting family.

 

[Gintamen]

Haha this is ridiculous, did you guys catch the mistake on ABC news a couple of days ago? I completely missed this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6L6O-Nm7mk

That was definitely not a mistake.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Netanyahu’s ‘Telegenically Dead’ Comment Is Grotesque but Not Original
by Glenn Greenwald

Whelp.

 

[vas_a_morir]

https://twitter.com/MMVickery/status/491324403796697088

I will be in the WestBank in less than two weeks visiting family.

Not to pry into your personal life, but I feel like you would have a better perspective on this than most in this thread. Are you considering cancelling the trip given the recent turmoil?

 

[Linkhero1]

#Breakingnews #Palestinian youth, aged at 27, was shot dead by #Israeli setter in #WestBank (AFP) | #Gaza

https://twitter.com/Othmanbay/status/491330707953049601

Waiting on news source for this but this is disgusting.

Not to pry into your personal life, but I feel like you would have a better perspective on this than most in this thread. Are you considering cancelling the trip given the recent turmoil?

I'm going for a wedding and it's non-refundable so most likely not. I'm going to document my trip and most likely will post some of it on GAF. My trip was planned a few weeks before any of this occurred =/

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

https://twitter.com/Othmanbay/status/491330707953049601

Waiting on news source for this but this is disgusting.

Welp, looks like the violence will spread to the west bank sooner or later.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Just saw on CNN that UN workers gave rockets to Hamas? Am I crazy or is that what it said?

 

[kobashi100]

What is the stance of the Arabic and Islamic countries that has ties with Israel regarding Gaza?

Did Turkey decided to stop providing Gas to Israel?
Did Qatar threatened to close their Israel Commercial office in Doha?
Did Iran add stop attacking Paleatinians as one of the Agreements in their Nuclear talks?
Did Egypt and Jordon pulled their Ammbasdors from Israel?

What do you think.

These rulers have show time and time again that they don't care about the ummah.

May Allah curse them all.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Netanyahu’s ‘Telegenically Dead’ Comment Is Grotesque but Not Original
by Glenn Greenwald

Whelp.

I'm stunned Netanyahu actually said that. Was he at least called on it?

Oh wait, never mind it was an interview on CNN...

 

[Maninthemirror]

before and after Iron dome: CIVILIAN CASUALTIES includes suicide bombings by Palestinians


2014
500 Palestinian deaths : 2 israeli deaths

2011
118:11

2010
81:8

2009
1034:9

2008
887:35

2007
385:13


2006
665:23

2005
190:51

2004
832:108

2003
588:185

2002
1032:419

 

[Orenhy]

Seriously, if you had to speak to the families of the people killed.
Would you try and use all the information you've posted, and try rationalize it?
What approach would you use with them?

You live among 20,000 hamas militants which your region voted for, and uses your urban area to conduct its military actions.

They could revolt like the people in Syria and Egypt did but, then you would see a real massacre.

 

[YoungFa]

So, whats the endgame here? Are they planning to eradicate all residents to claim the land?

 

[vas_a_morir]

I'm going for a wedding and it's non-refundable so most likely not. I'm going to document my trip and most likely will post some of it on GAF. My trip was planned a few weeks before any of this occurred =/

I'm sure you'll be fine, but I hope you and your family stay safe.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Just came across this clip of despicable reporting from Fox News from 2 empty bimbos. There's a 4 letter word I would call that that shameful "human rights attorney" who's an utter embarrassment to the title. How vile. Was tough not to vomit when she was commenting on the "bias against Israel" in western media, or defining all pal deaths as "human shields". I hope these people are being paid a fuckload of money, to make selling their souls in such a manner worth it.

http://youtu.be/BvI2VRpIbSI

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Just saw on CNN that UN workers gave rockets to Hamas? Am I crazy or is that what it said?

That's what it said.

Report: U.N workers gave rockets to HAMAS.

I don't know what report they were referring to though.

 

[Linkhero1]

I'm sure you'll be fine, but I hope you and your family stay safe.

Thanks. I'm not too worried but I'll be on GAF while I'm there.

 

[LNBL]

Just came across this clip of despicable reporting from Fox News from 2 empty bimbos. There's a 4 letter word I would call that that shameful "human rights attorney" who's an utter embarrassment to the title. How vile. Was tough not to vomit when she was commenting on the "bias against Israel" in western media, or defining all pal deaths as "human shields". I hope these people are being paid a fuckload of money, to make selling their souls in such a manner worth it.

http://youtu.be/BvI2VRpIbSI

Turned it off after she started talking for 20 seconds. Hamas not only wants to destroy Israel now, but also the western world.

 

[Gintamen]

You live among 20,000 hamas militants which your region voted for, and uses your urban area to conduct its military actions.

They could revolt like the people in Syria and Egypt did but, then you would see a real massacre.

Revolt against the only group of peolple that seemingly fights for their right to keep the territory they have left?

Just came across this clip of despicable reporting from Fox News from 2 empty bimbos. There's a 4 letter word I would call that that shameful "human rights attorney" who's an utter embarrassment to the title. How vile. Was tough not to vomit when she was commenting on the "bias against Israel" in western media, or defining all pal deaths as "human shields". I hope these people are being paid a fuckload of money, to make selling their souls in such a manner worth it.

http://youtu.be/BvI2VRpIbSI

Surely someone named Brooke Goldstein won't be biased at all. Listening to hear makes one rage almost as much as looking at the mutilated people of gaza.

http://youtu.be/BvI2VRpIbSI?t=2m05s woooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

 

[hydragonwarrior]

I really hope Israel will suffer dire consequences for this horrible massacre, the thought that they probably won't drives me crazy.

Pretty sure it'll just be another continuation of the past 20 years.

 

[Toxi]

You live among 20,000 hamas militants which your region voted for, and uses your urban area to conduct its military actions.

They could revolt like the people in Syria and Egypt did but, then you would see a real massacre.

Revolt to appease the people oppressing and slaughtering them?

 

[Maninthemirror]

That's what it said.

Report: U.N workers gave rockets to HAMAS.

I don't know what report they were referring to though.

yes the rockets which were built by and for hamas were found in a location and given to the local police by UNHCR. So Hamas's rockets ended up being with Hamas......