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2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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watching msnbc it seems like they're hardcore pro-isreal

whats fox's stance on this cause i wanna see a debate

I've been switching between MSNBC and CNN the last couple days and they've both been laughably biased. I don't know if I've seen a single guest or panelist explain Palestinian views on either station. At best they get someone live from Gaza like Richard Engel (who's been pretty good) to say some unbiased facts from the ground for one or two minutes, and then have some Israel mouthpiece come on and excuse Israel's actions, completely unchallenged, for the next 5-10 minutes. It's pretty infuriating.

They spend just as much, if not more, time coming up with excuses for Israel's actions in Gaza as they spend talking about the actual situation in Gaza.
 
Well, Israel is well on the way to a single state solution. The plan appears to be to kill every west bank palestinian in sight until they are all dead or out of the area.

Soon enough there will be no need for a second state, just a few parks for mass graves.
WTF? There are 2 million Palestinians in the West Bank. The Israel army killed 27 of them in 2013. You are making a huge leap of logic. Israel would have to murder them in the hundreds of thousands to make your statement true.
 
Big marches and rallies in Boston this evening. Got caught up in both the Palestinian and Israeli groups in succession while I made my way to the train. Couldn't understand the chants, but I saw banners espousing "Self-determination for Arab states" among the Palestinian flags and scarves, while the Israeli group mostly shouted on a megaphone about Hamas. A few girls (whose ethnicities I couldn't place, but they didn't appear to be Jewish or Arabic) politely asked some Palestinian ladies where they got their hijabs so that they could get some too, which surprised me.

It was loud and hot and tense, and I'm darkly glad that people are forced to see it. There are a lot of terrible things happening on our Earth, and although it's impossible to be invested in every issue and conflict, we can't bury our heads in the sand.
 
Urgh. Did the pope said anything to this? And what about america? Aren't the states to be very christian?

Catholics are less inclined to automatically jump on Pro-Israel bandwagon for the sake of it but the Bible Belt and the Evangelicals will support Israel even if they nuked people. The Evangelicals are extremists when it comes to Israeli support.
 
Has this been posted yet? Every Palestinian child that has died since this new bout of violence started, named, with their age. 132 of them in total.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ian-children-killed-by-Israeli-forces.html?fb
 
another news day here in Winnipeg and sadly an old elm grandmother tree being cut down got more press than the Palestinians, actually i dont think Palestinians got any press today, just face palms all over.
 
WTF? There are 2 million Palestinians in the West Bank. The Israel army killed 27 of them in 2013. You are making a huge leap of logic. Israel would have to murder them in the hundreds of thousands to make your statement true.

27 deaths are still 27 deaths, even if compared to the 2 million you talk about. Do you know why Palestinians got killed in the westbank? Did you know the death number in 2013 was triple the amount in 2012? There are no signs of that number going down and the manhunt they deployed after the killing of the teenagers does not hold a positive future for the people there.'

Though i would not jump to the conclusion that they want to wipe out the whole westbank, it's just that they are not doing anything to change the minds of people that have that idea.
 
my friend is bringing up the greenhouse thing that the israeli left behind. i know some folks were talking about it earlier, and about how the greenhouse wasn't actualyl destroyed by the gazan.

anyone got a link?
 

Thanks.

Have you actually read through the cases though ?

When Al Jazeera reported events featuring very graphic footage from inside Iraq, Al Jazeera was described as anti-American and as inciting violence because it reported on issues concerning national security.[126]

On Monday, 24 March 2003, two Al Jazeera reporters covering the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) had their credentials revoked.[127] The NYSE banned Al Jazeera (as well as several other news organizations whose identities were not revealed) from its trading floor indefinitely. NYSE spokesman Ray Pellechia claimed "security reasons" and that the exchange had decided to give access only to networks that focus "on responsible business coverage". He denied the revocation has anything to do with the network's Iraq war coverage.[128][129] However, Robert Zito, the exchange's executive vice president for communications, indicated that Al Jazeera's graphic footage broadcast on Saturday, 22 March 2003, led him to oust Al Jazeera.[127] The move was quickly mirrored by NASDAQ stock market officials.[130] The NYSE ban was rescinded a few months later.[131] In addition, Akamai Technologies, a U.S. company whose founder was killed in the 11 September World Trade Center attack, canceled a contract to provide web services for Al Jazeera's English language website.[132][133]

On 22 November 2005, the UK tabloid The Daily Mirror published a story claiming that it had obtained a leaked memo from 10 Downing Street saying that former U.S. President George W. Bush had considered bombing Al Jazeera's Doha headquarters in April 2004, when United States Marines were conducting a contentious assault on Fallujah.[138]

In late June, 2014, three Al Jazeera English employees were sentenced to seven to ten year jail terms on "terrorism" charges for news reports deemed supportive of the banned Muslim Brotherhood. The sentences were applied after several court hearings took place featuring no evidence to back the government's claims[102] The three, Mohamed Fahmy, Peter Greste and Baher Mohamed, plan an appeal. There was international condemnation of the court proceedings from both governments and media, with the terms "chilling and draconian" used by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to describe the jail sentences.[103] Newly elected Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi however was unmoved, a day after the verdicts declaring his government would not intervene in judicial rulings.[104]

On 27 January 1999, several Algerian cities lost power simultaneously, reportedly to keep residents from watching a program in which Algerian dissidents implicated the Algerian military in a series of massacres.[34][35][38]

On 4 July 2004, the Algerian government froze the activities of Al Jazeera's Algerian correspondent. The official reason given was that a reorganization of the work of foreign correspondents was in progress. The international pressure group Reporters Without Borders says, however, that the measure was really taken in reprisal for a broadcast the previous week of another Al-Itijah al-Mouakiss debate on the political situation in Algeria.[95]

These cases kinda go against the argument you're leading.

EDIT: Bolivian ambassador wearing Palestinian scarf at UN hearing:

https://twitter.com/PalAnonymous/status/491692566300327938/photo/1


The Palestinian Cause seem to resonate alot with south-american countries.
 
WTF? There are 2 million Palestinians in the West Bank. The Israel army killed 27 of them in 2013. You are making a huge leap of logic. Israel would have to murder them in the hundreds of thousands to make your statement true.
They're taking their time. Ethnic cleaning doesn't have to happen overnight.

"soon" wasn't meant to mean months, but years.
 
These cases kinda go against the argument you're leading.

EDIT: Bolivian ambassador wearing Palestinian scarf at UN hearing:

https://twitter.com/PalAnonymous/status/491692566300327938/photo/1

The Palestinian Cause seem to resonate alot with south-american countries.

Our countries were victims too of wars, abuse, pillage, violations we've suffered through recent history and can be attributed to one of the same protagonists and principal supporter of israel... Of course we should be cooperative and supportive of them.
 
The Loudest Voice in the Room is a good book that formulates its case with memos and testimony of company meetings that show how Fox News gets its marching orders from Roger Ailes' politics.

I think you'll understand that getting such hard evidence out of Russian and Qatari state-run media is a bit more difficult. If Al Jazeera is merely coincidentally on the exact same side on every issue as its financial benefactor, the Qatari government, then that's quite a coincidence.
So your theory of AJ is mouth piece of Qatar is pure conjecture based on shaky assumptions.

Let me help you further to make my point. What is #1 issue facing Qatar? Its the expat workers' treatment and horrid slave like conditions they work in. Here is AJ reporting it:http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/2/17/hundreds-of-migrantworkersfacedeathinqatar.html

Why would they do such a thing and bite the hand that feeds. Answer is the hand doesnt set the marching orders like Roger Ailes. You can bet that if this story were in Russia, RT would have blamed the migrants
 
my friend is bringing up the greenhouse thing that the israeli left behind. i know some folks were talking about it earlier, and about how the greenhouse wasn't actualyl destroyed by the gazan.

anyone got a link?

Its discussed here [100 post per page]: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851077&page=17

[50 ppp] http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851077&page=34

Not sure if that is the only place. There was a lack of security and the place got looted.

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It says 30% of the Greenhouses were damaged, not that they completely destroyed the entire site. The acting leader of the Palestinian people was quoted and sounded furious about the "chaos" of the looting. On top of that, Palestine was hoping to use the Greenhouses to sell crops, which Israel would never allow due to the insane trade restrictions they impose. Move on, this singular story from almost a decade ago is not indicative of their entire culture.
 
I think people over exaggerate the greenhouse thing. You people just want it to sound like the Gazans are savages who cannot behave (and thus deserve to live under blockade). Well I am from Gaza. And I was there three years ago.
Anyway, the green house issue. There was looting (people wanting to see how settlers were living and some decided to take home some of the shit) but the reason for the destruction of the greenhouses were to make sure there wasn't anything toxic (rumours about settlers digging and putting chemicals/toxic waste). I argue that it was a stupid reasoning but that is what happened.

And where the green houses/settlement were is today a new city. No idea how it looks like now though.
 
Your gone for a few days on vacation and suddenly it's like the whole world has been flipped upside-down Not just this but the Malaysia Airlines too.

In all honesty, the way things are going in Gaza it will either end with one side (Palestine) being left in a completely hopeless situation or Isreal will make one big mistake and get the rest of the Arab world directly involved. There is no way this will end well
 
Your gone for a few days on vacation and suddenly it's like the whole world has been flipped upside-down Not just this but the Malaysia Airlines too.

In all honesty, the way things are going in Gaza it will either end with one side (Palestine) being left in a completely hopeless situation or Isreal will make one big mistake and get the rest of the Arab world directly involved. There is no way this will end well
If there is a will then there is a way. The will to find common goals is lacking but not imaginary.
 
I think people over exaggerate the greenhouse thing. You people just want it to sound like the Gazans are savages who cannot behave (and thus deserve to live under blockade). Well I am from Gaza. And I was there three years ago.
Anyway, the green house issue. There was looting (people wanting to see how settlers were living and some decided to take home some of the shit) but the reason for the destruction of the greenhouses were to make sure there wasn't anything toxic (rumours about settlers digging and putting chemicals/toxic waste). I argue that it was a stupid reasoning but that is what happened.

And where the green houses/settlement were is today a new city. No idea how it looks like now though.

Are you still in Gaza? Do you have family there? Are they okay?
 
Are you still in Gaza? Do you have family there? Are they okay?
No I was there three years ago for visit. Yeah, more or less all my relatives are there and all are currently okay even if it a shitty situation. A good friend of mine lost six relatives of his, three generations basically.
 
Your gone for a few days on vacation and suddenly it's like the whole world has been flipped upside-down Not just this but the Malaysia Airlines too.

In all honesty, the way things are going in Gaza it will either end with one side (Palestine) being left in a completely hopeless situation or Isreal will make one big mistake and get the rest of the Arab world directly involved. There is no way this will end well

the situation in Gaza has been hopeless for decades, and there is no way the arab states will do anything without their Uncle Sam's approval.

Gaza will continue to get beaten and raped while the rest of the world demonizes her for struggling or does nothing at best.
 
Literally the same logic Hamas uses to justify rocket attacks.
And fuck that Post article to hell and back for using the word "controversial" to describe the policy, do they use the word "controversial" to describe Hamas rockets? No they call it what it is, fucking indefensible, criminal behaviour.
Wow, that's straight up gang tactics from Israel. Next they'll start doing drive-bys on suspect's families instead of just destroying their homes.
 
The foreign fighters of Israel.



Approximately 5,000 Jews carry the title "Lone Soldier" - given in Israel to volunteers from abroad, new immigrants or orphans who have served in the Israeli army. Lone soldiers receive special rights and benefits, such as financial assistance, help with housing and time to visit family abroad.

In May 2014, the Tel Aviv Lone Soldier Center, where lone soldiers can relax and unwind together, was opened thanks to funding from a Dutch NGO named Israel Actie, which is affiliated to the Amsterdam Sar-El branch. Sar-El are civilian volunteer groups who undertake non-combat work for the Israeli military. Jews, non-Jews, and non-Israelis - eligible from the age of 16 - can volunteer their time, money and efforts, wearing army uniforms, to reinforce the Israeli military.

It is represented in more than 30 countries and hundreds of volunteers join each year.

Israel is applying outright treachery in its recruitment of young Jews worldwide, through tens of programmes. Israel Experience is a Zionist project that aims to create new allies for Israel. It targets western youngsters from the age of 13, recruiting them for what appears at first to be a programme of fun and amusement. But these children end up in a simulation, spending between one and six weeks exposed to guns, reproducing military manoeuvres and receiving "educational" classes on Zionism and the Israeli military.

Entertainment also features on the side. These indoctrinated children are then sent back to their parents and countries as advocates to justify occupation, apartheid and the defence of Israel at all costs. Israeli recruitment programmes have different dimensions but one and the same goal: the strengthening of the Israeli army and the networks of the state's mindless supporters.
 
Perhaps they should destroy the homes of the three Zionist terrorists who burned that poor boy alive.

There was a pro-Israel rally today in Chicago which was met with a much larger Gaza massacre protest. One Zionist was arrested for having brought a concealed weapon. There is another free Palestine rally this Saturday in Chicago. I'd encourage all of you chicago gaffers to go. I'm planning to make a sign this time and take red,green,white,black balloons. Perhaps "Free Palestine" and on the other side "Let my people go"
 
American media is hardcore Pro-Israel. Fox news is practically ready to fellate anyone who will support Israel on the air.

I expect more Christian Church vandalism in the coming days in Israel. The various Christian Faiths held a joint mass for Gaza and all of the Clergy involved had Palestinian scarfs

Are there any articles that accompany this photo? Reverse image search is failing me. =(
 
Chris Hayes on msnbc has been doing a pretty good job on his show about the conflict so far. Yesterday he had Tariq Abu Khdeir and his mother to discuss what happened. Today he is going to talk about media bias regarding the conflict.

Edit: He is going to have Rula Jebreal on
 
That seems to be the argument for letting Hamas shoot rockets into Israel with impunity.

You assume that I'm trying to justify what happened, intentional or not.

I merely called you out for being disingenuous and spreading more disinformation in a conflict that's already full of it.
You should follow your own advice. Arguments about the scale of rocket attacks aren't about justification or support (I think if someone on this forum openly supported those attacks they'd be banned fairly quickly), they are about the proportionality and appropriateness of Israel's response.
 
Chris Hayes on msnbc has been doing a pretty good job on his show about the conflict so far. Yesterday he had Tariq Abu Khdeir and his mother to discuss what happened. Today he is going to talk about media bias regarding the conflict.

Edit: He is going to have Rula Jebreal on

Rula Jebreal tweeted that she will be on Democracy Now tomorrow morning. It's a fantastic show and I recommend anyone who's following this thread to subscribe to the podcast or watch the videos. Today's episode was great. http://www.democracynow.org/
 
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinio...iansconflictunitedstatesinternationallaw.html

Another fact that is less known — but perhaps more important — is that within hours of the three teens’ disappearance on June 12, Israeli officials knew that they were dead. Yet for the next two weeks authorities put on a phony rescue effort, instituted a gag order to prevent the public from knowing the truth and rallied the Jewish domestic and diaspora populations in anticipation of their move against Hamas.
 
No, the uproar is about the terribly biased (think Fox News but 10x worse) coverage of the main Al Jazeera (arabic) network (at least back when Al Qaeda was in full force). It was basically a mouthpiece for pro-terrorism and anti-americanism. That's the issue with Al Jazeera and why it will take generations before it becomes a household and credible media outlet in the USA.

I guess I am one of the few. Al Jazeera America is my go to network for news and it delivers bar none the best journalism on TV in the US.
 
Ahh I missed it, what was the deal??
She pointed out the hypocrisy of giving Israeli government and it's mouthpieces more airtime than any Palestinian official and had numbers with her. Wish the interview was longer. She also pointed out what I have been screaming for days, that no media coverage is talking about the occupation and the blockade, and jumps straight to rocket fire and ground invasion.
 
No, the uproar is about the terribly biased (think Fox News but 10x worse) coverage of the main Al Jazeera (arabic) network (at least back when Al Qaeda was in full force). It was basically a mouthpiece for pro-terrorism and anti-americanism. That's the issue with Al Jazeera and why it will take generations before it becomes a household and credible media outlet in the USA.
Al jazeera America is one of my family's go-to news sources.

They're still getting weaned off MSNBC though. :-\
 
Holy shit this Chris Hayes interview

Yeah, I saw it when it aired earlier. I'm glad she brought up the point that frustrates me most, which is the media's complete lack of any attempt to give context to this situation (regarding the blockade, occupation, settlements in the West Bank, etc.), and making it appear that Hamas just woke up one morning deciding to fire rockets at their peaceful neighbors for no reason.

I mean yeah, Hamas is terrible. I will never defend the murder of innocents/civillians. But the media doesn't even attempt to explain the motivation behind Hamas or the reasons they've gained power/mindshare among Palestinians at all. American coverage basically boils down to "look at these pictures of all the dead people. Isn't that so sad? War is sad guys. Now lets have some pro-Israel guests go unchallenged explaining why Israel has no choice in the matter for the next 15 minutes."
 
Al jazeera America is one of my family's go-to news sources.

They're still getting weaned off MSNBC though. :-\

MSNBC isn't bad for smaller issues, but they have a bad track-record when it comes to bigger stuff. You will notice they don't cover anything related to net neutrality (sucks being owned by Comcast!) and on their Morning Show usually have a circle-jerk for pro-establishment views like Citizen's United or Wall Street regulations. Al Jazeera is definitely better journalism.
 
She pointed out the hypocrisy of giving Israeli government and it's mouthpieces more airtime than any Palestinian official and had numbers with her. Wish the interview was longer. She also pointed out what I have been screaming for days, that no media coverage is talking about the occupation and the blockade, and jumps straight to rocket fire and ground invasion.

I think I found it.
Chris Hayes HEATED Debate with Rula Jebreal Who Called Out Israel Coverage - MSNBC - 7-22-14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZu11fqLT3Y
 
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