Well, Sora is trademarked by Square or by Disney?
If square, theres a non zero chance to happen someday, if SE relation with Nintendo gets better (like, 5 or 6 times better), but if its disney, then nope
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XI: Where 90% correct equals 100% wrong
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If square, theres a non zero chance to happen someday, if SE relation with Nintendo gets better (like, 5 or 6 times better), but if its disney, then nope
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Affirmative!
BassForever
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LOL @ Popeye or James Bond ever being playable in Smash Bros. That's even less likely then Goku or Naruto
ShockingAlberto
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Disney owns all original KH characters.
I recall hearing that they even own the different designs of FF characters in that game.
Spinosaurus
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I'd actually be OK with Popeye.
If non-game characters were to get in -- not that they're at all likely. And Popeye and James Bond are both very significant to Nintendo's history. Goku and Naruto aren't.
I don't consider someone who just prefers brawl an apologist, people have different tastes and can enjoy what they want, I won't say I necessarily understand it, but that's just how individual tastes work.
Even if we're talking in the competitive sense and not just from a general audience perspective, someone thinking Brawl is better doesn't necessarily make them an apologist as long as they're prepared to back that opinion up in an argument.
The Brawl apologists are usually the types of people who'll just say "Brawl wasn't worse, it was just different!", they'll usually avoid the actual content of the post and focus on the fact that aspects of Brawl or defensive play in general are being criticised and lash out against that.
I personally consider the person to be a bit of an apologist when you hear them say something along the lines of "But a game that favours defensive play isn't bad, someone told me that SF4 is considered defensive and that is popular so Brawl must be better too, you just wanted a melee 2.0 and couldn't accept something different" without actually taking into consideration that Smash plays completely different to a traditional fighting game and what works in SF doesn't work for Smash, they're just trying to ride the success of another game rather than explain why their game is good. Which happened a lot in that thread from what I saw.
MiguelMexMIstery
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Same here. You're one of them actuallyYUH8 Brah?
All of you added! But Horizon and georly haven't added me yet.
So you haven't added me??
There's a rumor that Goldeneye's James Bond was considered for the original Smash Bros.
BassForever
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You do realize there have been more DB games on the NES and SNES then there ever were Popeye or JB games combined across ALL Nintendo platforms
peanutbutterlatte
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Denpa Men would be great. I was honestly hoping for an eShop rep, out of Denpa, Dillon, and Mallo (Pusmo + Crashmo). It's a nice growing stack of original IPs for Nintendo.
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Rösti
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Well, I included Popeye only because of Shiggy's and Genyo's old classic (just listing in case someone was unware of it): http://www.mobygames.com/game/popeye
But yeah, Hearst Holdings, Inc. would probably not be too interested in a deal I think.
Edit: @SuperAngelo64: Nice, I did not know that.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Do you play Persona 4 Arena seriously? Just wonder?
SuperAngelo64
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Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Aβydoς;122927272 said:
Well we got the proximity mine. Maybe we can get a Popeye item. Uh.. Spinach?
MrSaturn99
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LOL I just registered whoever I recognized, so I'll add you now. Just added Dimitri_LH too (thanks for the PM).
It's not a matter of quantity. None of the Dragon Ball games were published by Nintendo, and I wouldn't exactly call them noteworthy. Popeye and GoldenEye 007 were both important titles for the company.
Again, I don't think there should be non-gaming characters in Smash Bros., but Popeye and James Bond could both be justified as historically important retro characters. They certainly wouldn't look out of place on a Nintendo timeline.
MiguelMexMIstery
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You mean competitively? Nope. I may try doing it when Ultimax comes out.
Oh, it just kinda weirded me that you quoted me but didn't mention my name, haha. Sorry, I'll add you right now.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Popeye in Smash is a really off-putting thought. It would be such a strange addition and not in a good way.
peanutbutterlatte
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I'll take Popeye over Snake any day
*drops spinach*
*drops spinach*
Oh I can certainly imagine...Rösti;122926174 said:So, on the topic of newcomers, here are some character I would find nice:
Amiibo $$$. Not sure what the playstyle would be, but certainly something wacky.
Don't even wanna consider the Final Smash.
The Denpa Men break the Smash Ball. Bathed in it's glorious light, they summon their Final Smash. The screen flashes a brilliant white, blinding their opponents.
When regular vision returns, the cute cartoony Denpa are replaced with realistically-rendered men in colourful lycra.
They don't even move. They straddle the stage in their spandex, oblivious to the fighters around them. Or perhaps they just like the exhibitionism. Their bulges of David Bowie-esque magnificence render all other characters sexually-confused, causing 300% damage.
The Denpa men's-men disappear as soon as they came and the regular Denpa have no trouble finishing off their enemies.
Hrmmm, tough question. I remember there once being a person dressed in a Sora costume parading around Disneyland at one point. Although my first guess would be that SE owns their original-creations and Disney theirs. Sora is still naught but a pipe-dream though (; _; )
Superlative!
MrSaturn99
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oh wow LOL I should've noticed that.
I'd like to add as many people as I can but I don't want to go through the entire list, so just tell me if you add me.
Seems odd if they do own the KH designs for the FF characters. Especially seeing that the second Dissidia game had them as DLC costumes for Cloud, Squall and Sephiroth. It'll be weird for Square to get the rights from Disney for a DLC costume for such a small game.
Then again FF XIII-2 did have Mass Effect and AssCreed DLC costumes.
Rösti;122926174 said:So, on the topic of newcomers, here are some character I would find nice:
Just like in the original NES game, this character ought to be quite slow but powerful.
Could potentially work as dual character (Ice Climbers) if his opponent is also used.
Seems like a rather natural choice, though for licensing issues it may not be.
Anyway, I suppose he could have a spinach meter which increased his power there more he eats.
I really like the Electroplankton event in Brawl, and they can obviously be implemented in some way.
Perhaps have it some kind of floating/flying character and you can change between different planktons.
Amiibo $$$. Not sure what the playstyle would be, but certainly something wacky.
Don't even wanna consider the Final Smash.
Pac-Man is already in, so why not include Don-chan as well?
Melee character, could be centered around rhythm in some way.
I find Joy Mech Fight quite incredible for being a NES game. And as it is one of Nintendo's earliest fighting games, I think he's a given.
Sadly the game never saw a release in the west. Was included as a Sticker in Brawl though.
Zip as a character may not be too interesting, but the way you could control him could be. Imagine that you don't use the analog stick, the D-pad or any other conventional way of moving.
Instead you use the gyroscope to fling him around the stage; attacks are carried out via the A-Y buttons, shoulder buttons etc.
Sorry but none of those look like anything other than a gimmicky mess. Literally no-one wants accelerometer controls in smash.
Well, there you go.
I wonder what Disney could even realistically do with 'their' versions of the FF characters. Certainly an odd situation, considering how much Square have taken the series in it's own direction.
Urban Champion could be an ice-climber like character where both fighters face each other and every move makes them fight eachother. damage done to other smashers is an indirect consequence of these two champions duking it out. Your main goal while playing as them is to trap your opponent in the middle of your character's skirmish for maximum damage. I think this would be both unique and hilarious.
MiguelMexMIstery
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Yup, I think the same!
JB-the-Hunter
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1. A nice dose of defensive gameplay is not a bad thing. In fact, it's a good thing. Brawl's overly defensive gameplay must have made some people think defensive gameplay of any kind is bad. Melee was severely lacking in defensive options.
2. There are a number of offensive elements that were increased compared to Brawl that essentially counter the low shield stun. The game is faster (including attack speed, dash speed, jump speed and fall speed) and fast speed decreases the window in which a player can react to an attack and defend himself by shielding. Also, shields are generally weaker this time around, so you can't just throw them out willy nilly. Both of these things make shielding a more strategic element of gameplay then it was in both Melee and Brawl.
If the person who created that thread was actually paying attention to the matches, the game is definitely defensive... but it's also just as offensive, which is simply amazing, and a breath of fresh air.
Bugger, now I'm almost upset this isn't a thing. What a brilliant idea for a character!
Dimitri LH
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I can totally see Urban Champ as a assist trophy constantly pushing the opponents until they are over the ledge. Kind of like the piplup pokemon summon.
Thanks!
SuperAngelo64
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How is Sukapon gimmicky? He's basically the Ryu of Joy Mech Fight. All around and normal.
ShockingAlberto
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Didn't Sakurai consider Sukapon once?
Fair enough, I'll take that back
MisterHero
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Popeye in Smash would be amazing. Joey Gladstone could do the VA!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Cool, I didn't notice.
I find it really obnoxious because I'm interested in low-level game mechanics but a majority swoop in to close down the discussion with the fluff you mentioned.
Congratulations. Somehow, some way, you've convinced me that Smash Bros. needs a playable Urban Champion.
Too bad it'll never happen.
And here...
I didn't think Popeye was even legally viable, so this changes my thoughts on his possibility! Granted, he didn't debut in a video game, but it is an IP that was important to Nintendo's history and its development of Mario/Donkey Kong, as well as Pac-Man to a lesser extent (Power Pellets were designed with Popeye's spinach in mind) Here's to another brilliant-unlikely newcomer!
...I'm having computer problems with the video and the image itself is way too large, but just imagine I placed an image of the "No copyright law in the universe is going to stop me" line from Sonic Colors here.
All in all, great list, Rösti! I know next to nothing about the Denpa Men, so I can't say one way or the other about them, but I'm really liking your character ideas; they really are ones that I couldn't see working at all at first, but sound amazing within minutes of soaking them in (Although Zip might be hard to use, seeing how GCN controllers are going to be predominantly used in the Wii U version), and even though they may be longshots for 4, I'll keep pulling for them in SSB5!
I added you, and everyone else from the list. Like, literally all of it, so I don't know if I want to list all 35-some that haven't already added me, but just so you all know, you're already in.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Bomberman 64 multiplayer was my favorite, and the campaign was on another level of awesome :]
1. They may have removed ledge stalling and ever so slightly reduced the effectiveness of the air dodge, but I think the game still leans heavily towards defensive gameplay rather than a balance which is what you seem to be implying.
2. A few offensive elements might have been increased from brawl, but the defensive options have also been buffed so the power balance between the two remains the same.
The game being faster means very little honestly (when talking in this context), the shields also come up quicker and rolls and spotdodges are better than before.
Also, where have you got the idea from that shields are generally weaker, other than the fact that Bowser's bomb does heavy shield damage? Have you got any actual evidence that other moves do more shield damage or that the shield regenerates slower or decays faster?
And why can you not just throw them around willy nilly? Most aerials have high endlag so if someone approaches you, you just hold shield and punish because you'll be at a frame advantage, how does weaker shields affect this?
I didn't see anything in those matches that implied the game would be just as offensive, most of the approaches were incredibly unsafe and could have easily been punished if the other guy wasn't so bad. Brawl can look offensive if you have someone good at the game play against someone who isn't using the powerful defensive options available to them.
Shall add you soon.
Cosmic Dreams
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would be absolutely insane if popeye was in as a character! i'd love it.
who knows? he really is a big part of nintendo's history and he's still very well known. would be the perfect final surprise character to unlock for smash 4.
i have a feeling he might be in...didn't Sakurai say in some interview in the past that he wanted to put him in melee but couldn't? someone wanna clarify this?
who knows? he really is a big part of nintendo's history and he's still very well known. would be the perfect final surprise character to unlock for smash 4.
i have a feeling he might be in...didn't Sakurai say in some interview in the past that he wanted to put him in melee but couldn't? someone wanna clarify this?
I think it's from some sort of indie wiiware/DSiware thing where you have to slingshot him across a level or something.
I dunno, I might be thinking of something else, there seems to be a lot of games where you flick a yellow ball shaped thing around the screen.
There was a dark time when people were excited for FlingSmash.
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