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[jond76]

Busting' out the new Mad Mad gifs already? Nice!

 

[Zombie James]

Am I the only one who finds it pretty hilarious that there is so much uproar about the game length and scope of the game, yet it has not even been released yet? What if the other worlds are 5 times the size of earth?

Bungie should let us know, then.

 

[KiraXD]

lmao... Perfect!

 

[commish]

Bungie should let us know, then.

Because why?

 

[benny_a]

Where do you as a casual observer learn that this was changed?

Well your first clue would be the alpha and then the beta. After that you could read gaf or any forum really.

Oh right, the casuals that peruse GAF and equivalent video game forums all year long. How could I forget about those.

 

[Orayn]

Edit: NVM.

 

[base shagohod]

Especially when considering that games of this nature aren't typically homogenous in their structure.

Yeah, good point. I'm personally not worried about a lack of content, but I can see why someone would be. Just don't think it's right to base a final product off of what we've gotten a chance to play.

But yeah, this is the internet. People are almost always ridiculous about this kinda stuff haha.

 

[cripterion]

Am I the only one who finds it pretty hilarious that there is so much uproar about the game length and scope of the game, yet it has not even been released yet? What if the other worlds are 5 times the size of earth?

 

[Fletcher]

It's not so much that I'm gloating...It's more along the lines of ton of people on the GAF get butt-hurt(for the lack of a better term) for someones opinion and truthfully we're all entitled to our own. If someone were to write a well thought review of it being a good game then I would read and try to identify with the points I thought were good. I wouldn't take up arms and start calling people pieces of shit or fools for any reason. The gameplay and physics are undeniably good. The world is undeniably beautiful. But take those two things away and you're left with another Sci-Fi shooter that doesn't do too much to break new ground within the FPS genre. It would be a lie to call it a MMORPG. Proof of that is all over these forums. Im just saying that I find it comical that there are people calling each other out and bashing over an opinion on a game. It's just not necessary.

I like the irony in that you're now complaining about other peoples opinions on the game were not your opinion on the game.

 

[crappybannedjunior999999]

Am I the only one who finds it pretty hilarious that there is so much uproar about the game length and scope of the game, yet it has not even been released yet? What if the other worlds are 5 times the size of earth?

SHHHH!! Nobody wants to hear reason and clear thinking here! What the hell is wrong with you...

 

[Messofanego]

That felt a little weird to me, too. Accurately lowering gravity would break the game but I would have appreciated just an ever so slight decrease. Just enough to give you the impression of lower gravity without letting you double jump into space.

For PvE, it'd be great. I want low grav combat, damnit! Other games have done it.

The new Borderlands will do it.

Why not?

 

[Zombie James]

Because why?

Because they expect us to buy the thing?

 

[E92 M3]

Am I the only one who finds it pretty hilarious that there is so much uproar about the game length and scope of the game, yet it has not even been released yet? What if the other worlds are 5 times the size of earth?

My concern is that it's not the size but variety of environment. While Old Russia is a large area, the environment itself is rather drab and boring for my tastes. In the beta, I didn't want to replay the Russia missions more than once.

 

[Darryl M R]

How is that not a fair assumption? They had concept art of locations people expect to be in the game. Would it not make sense for them to use the design to push out one of their DLC? I am not arguing that it is a bad thing.

The whole comment on "people are jumping to conclusions" is so idiotic. Of course EVERYONE in this thread are, and those who have some logic backing them up actually have arguments. Until Bungie clarifies aspects of their game no one knows for sure.

 

[Trickster]

Somebody made a mistake. It's really that simple. That's not as exciting a narrative as "Bungie lied to us!" nor does it correlate with these same people's opinion of how much content they are entitled to for their $60.

More than one person said it during different presentations though. There's footage of Lars Bakken saying it as well. And who knows how many presentations without someone filming it had someone saying it. It definitely wasn't a "mistake".

 

[Zakalwe]

the world is full of peculiars...

Says the guy giving beta finalised /100 scores and making absolute statements about the finished game.

 

[DNAbro]

It's not so much that I'm gloating...It's more along the lines of ton of people on the GAF get butt-hurt(for the lack of a better term) for someones opinion and truthfully we're all entitled to our own. If someone were to write a well thought review of it being a good game then I would read and try to identify with the points I thought were good. I wouldn't take up arms and start calling people pieces of shit or fools for any reason. The gameplay and physics are undeniably good. The world is undeniably beautiful. But take those two things away and you're left with another Sci-Fi shooter that doesn't do too much to break new ground within the FPS genre. It would be a lie to call it a MMORPG. Proof of that is all over these forums. Im just saying that I find it comical that there are people calling each other out and bashing over an opinion on a game. It's just not necessary.

Why the hell would you review a game that isn't out yet?

 

[CantTrickMe]

I like the irony in that you're complaining about other peoples opinions on the game were not your opinion on the game.

Where did you get that idea? I never once complained about another persons opinion on the game. I said that if a well-thought review was written about the game, I would try to identify with the points I thought were good. That is in no way bashing anyone's opinion.

 

[commish]

Because they expect us to buy the thing?

Then wait until the game is released and read the reviews? This isn't rocket science.

 

[Two Words]

More than one person said it during different presentations though. There's footage of Lars Bakken saying it as well. And who knows how many presentations without someone filming it had someone saying it. It definitely wasn't a "mistake".

Also, an uncorrected mistake is a lie. If you tell me you can and will do something for me, and later find out you are unable to and decide not to tell me you can't because you are worried about the backlash and just wait for me to find out when it doesn't happen, it is a lie. It doesn't matter if the original intent was to lie. The act of not retracting the promise turns it into a lie.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

Yeah, good point. I'm personally not worried about a lack of content, but I can see why someone would be. Just don't think it's right to base a final product off of what we've gotten a chance to play.

But yeah, this is the internet. People are almost always ridiculous about this kinda stuff haha.

I can fully understand why some people are skeptical. But it's the nature of the beast for online, skill-tree/gear focused games: the biggest and best content is usually designed for after the player has acquired a fuller extent of his skills and gear choices, not before.

 

[Nocturnx]

After playing the Beta for 3 hours and beating pretty much all the Earth standard missions I took the net to give my thoughts and impressions. I was ridiculed by my peers for my review and now it seems that everyone is finally catching up on what the final product will be. I stated that the game is beautiful and there isn't much in the way stopping the rest of the game looking good, but I also gave my opinion on how I thought the game was really lacking. It wasn't hard to figure out that the beta would be a lot of the game we'd get launch day. Further "rumors" seem to be verifying my thoughts. It's a decent game...76 out of 100 for me. PvP could have saved the game for me but it truthfully was just plain bad and I honestly don't see it being a competitive game. MP gets a 62/100 from me(that's being nice about it). I guess I just find it comical that everyone was defending this game with their biggest guns and now they're all realizing what I saw.

The beta was probably only 10% of the final game. It's a bit soon to reach such a finite conclusion.

 

[majik13]

I'm going to need a source on your claim that there will be a Destiny 2 in two years. If the dlc sells destiny may not get a sequel for 5-8years. All they would do is patch the game for higher levels to go with the dlc.

wasnt there the court document saying as much. The 10 year plan with a sequel coming every 2-3 years. They even listed date/timeframe for each sequel. I think they are a year behind though. IIRC the document said the first game was supposed to come out last year. Its pretty obvious this game will have a sequel within a few years even w/o this info.

Im on my phone so don't really wanna search for it.

 

[PooBone]

I don't understand how this can be an accurate statement (thread title) given all the areas of Earth, specifically, that they've already mentioned being part of the game.

Old Russia
Chicago
The Wall
The European Dead Zone
The Western Flood Zone

I haven't been partaking in the beta, hopefully these aren't all just multiplayer/competitive maps.

 

[base shagohod]

Where did you get that idea? I never once complained about another persons opinion on the game. I said that if a well-thought review was written about the game, I would try to identify with the points I thought were good. That is in no way bashing anyone's opinion.

You'll get plenty of reviews when the game is reviewable.

Where's the eye-rolling smiley when you need it....

I can fully understand why some people are skeptical. But it's the nature of the beast for online, skill-tree/gear focused games: the biggest and best content is usually designed for after the player has acquired a fuller extent of his skills and gear choices, not before.

For sure.

 

[jett]

Bungie should let us know, then.

I can smell the entitlement all the way from here.

 

[Trickster]

A thought:

This map has a Strike icon not connected to any particular destination.

If we assume each of the five explorable destinations has ~2-3 Strikes, that doesn't account for the 23 Strikes suggested by the data mining from the beta.

Is it possible that some locations, like Old Chicago, gas giant moons, etc. are one-off adventures that are only used for specific Strikes?

We don't assume that. We pretty much know that there's gonna be 1 strike on earth and the moon, and 2 on venus. Mars is really the only unknown at this point.

the 23 strikes number is because it counts different difficulties as seperate strikes. And there's some endgame thing where every strike will be max level of some such thing.

 

[Zombie James]

Then wait until the game is released and read the reviews? This isn't rocket science.

That's exactly the point I was making earlier: We shouldn't have to wait until a game launches to get answers to these basic questions. It's disrespectful to the consumer.

 

[PooBone]

wasnt there the court document saying as much. The 10 year plan with a sequel coming every 2-3 years. They even listed date/timeframe for each sequel. I think they are a year behind though. IIRC the document said the first game was supposed to come out last year. Its pretty obvious this game will have a sequel within a few years even w/o this info.

Im on my phone so don't really wanna search for it.

During all the Activision vs EA/West/Zampella lawsuits the Bungie contracts apparently came up and showed that they were to release a Destiny game every two years with two expansions per game in between. Not sure when that actually was set to begin. They've always said "ten year plan" so that would indicate 4 Destiny games.

 

[luckygodzilla]

Am I the only one who finds it pretty hilarious that there is so much uproar about the game length and scope of the game, yet it has not even been released yet? What if the other worlds are 5 times the size of earth?

Welcome to the wonderful land of GAF my friend, where judgement is passed and verdict given before anyone has had time with the full game.

 

[Altima]

It is very funny when people who state that they have canceled their preorder still keep wandering in this thread.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

A thought:
If we assume each of the five explorable destinations has ~2-3 Strikes, that doesn't account for the 23 Strikes suggested by the data mining from the beta.

The data mine found 6 strikes, one exclusive. Everything else is a variation on those strikes.

Venus
The Nexus
Winter's Run

Earth
The Devils' Lair

Moon
The Summoning Pits

Mars
Cerberus Vae III
Dust Palace (PS3/4 exclusive supposedly)

 

[Nightengale]

Am I the only one who finds it pretty hilarious that there is so much uproar about the game length and scope of the game, yet it has not even been released yet? What if the other worlds are 5 times the size of earth?

B-b-b-b-but but no Europa, no Chicago, no exploring the solar system, no mountain geometry, t-t-t-t-t-they lied to us, doesn't matter i-i-i-i-if--

Jokes aside, it's unlikely for your scenario to happen, because it'd be weird for a hub that you return to multiple times to be given extremely different treatment in scale.

I understand many of the concerns raised by many of the GAFers here in terms of Bungie not delivering on their 2013 teasers of Destiny ( I've vocalised why I'm practically treating 2013's teasers/reveals as bullshit, because reasons, but that's my approach to it, thus me being hardly surprised by all this ), but at the same time, I don't think that it's an entirely fair reproach towards Destiny.

Sure, the game that's shipping in the disc this September is probably not the game Bungie teased it was back in 2013. But there could easily be a million reasons for that that isn't them nickel diming or bullshitting you, given that they're not even able to deliver on some gameplay mechanics demo-ed in 2013, like the real-time ship joining of Fireteams.

Ultimately, there will be something shipping this September, and it may not necessarily be the greatest game ever, but whether or not the content in that disc is worth $60 is something you'll have to decide for yourselves.

 

[Orayn]

We don't assume that. We pretty much know that there's gonna be 1 strike on earth and the moon, and 2 on venus. Mars is really the only unknown at this point.

the 23 strikes number is because it counts different difficulties as seperate strikes. And there's some endgame thing where every strike will be max level of some such thing.

Does it? That would really mess with the number of story missions, then, since each one has at least two difficulty settings. (Three in the alpha.)

The data mine found 6 strikes, one exclusive. Everything else is a variation on those strikes.

Venus
The Nexus
Winter's Run

Earth
The Devils' Lair

Moon
The Summoning Pits

Mars
Cerberus Vae III
Dust Palace (PS4 exclusive supposedly)

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I didn't know we had the names, just those total numbers.

 

[Zombie James]

I can smell the entitlement all the way from here.

Wanting to know what you're paying for is entitlement now?

 

[David___]

How is that not a fair assumption? They had concept art of locations people expect to be in the game. Would it not make sense for them to use the design to push out one of their DLC? I am not arguing that it is a bad thing.

The location may have been in the game, or planned to be at the time of them releasing it. Then realities of cross-gen came to effect where they started needed to scale back. Could it be DLC? Maybe. Or it very well was scrapped.

 

[commish]

That's exactly the point I was making earlier: We shouldn't have to wait until a game launches to get answers to these basic questions. It's disrespectful to the consumer.

But why is this the case all of a sudden? Thousands of games have been released without an accurate account of all included content, yet I really haven't heard this complaint before until Destiny. Out of all the things game companies due that are "disrespectful" to consumers... and there are quite a few... this one seems pretty low on the list since there is an easy way to overcome it, e.g., reading a single review. No one is forcing you to buy the game blind and uninformed.

 

[cripterion]

I don't understand how this can be an accurate statement (thread title) given all the areas of Earth, specifically, that they've already mentioned being part of the game.

Old Russia
Chicago
The Wall
The European Dead Zone
The Western Flood Zone

I haven't been partaking in the beta, hopefully these aren't all just multiplayer/competitive maps.

That's what some of us would simply like to know, "no, there isn't just one exploratory area per planet". Yet for some posters we are supposed to shut the fuck up and wait for reviews/impressions at launch.

 

[Cheech]

Wanting to know what you're paying for is entitlement now?

Sure. As you can't even buy the game yet, they don't owe you shit.

 

[Minions]

We don't assume that. We pretty much know that there's gonna be 1 strike on earth and the moon, and 2 on venus. Mars is really the only unknown at this point.

the 23 strikes number is because it counts different difficulties as seperate strikes. And there's some endgame thing where every strike will be max level of some such thing.

Spoilers below don't hover if you don't want to read them.

I can tell you there may be a second strike on earth.... there are at least other "arena" type areas people have glitched into on earth. In Kings watch, there is

Spoiler

a huge guy called the Ultra Captain, when you enter the arena it spawns him + 10-20 other guys. Jovian Complex has a bunch of doors that are fogged over and likely will have some mission that had a bunch of enemies attack from all sides.

 

[Jamesways]

And now you're being unreasonable. Admiral Woofington already told you this: Plenty of us thought there were flaws in the game, but the pros outweighed the cons. Proper criticism is welcome. Calling people shills or whatever for liking Destiny is not welcome.

No, it's ok, you can tell him you work for Bungie and paid me to like and pre-order the Beta.

Ha!

I feel the opposite after playing the Beta. I wasn't interested in this before at all, not even on my radar. But after trying it out and getting lucky to play a bit of the Moon mission, I can't wait to try the full game. The gameplay was fun, the sci-fi is interesting, the skies were beautiful for set pieces. Seriously, the moon level graphics were jaw ropping for me. Makes me excited to see the rest of the worlds.

Like others, I'm hopin in some mission variety, but I think it'll be worth it alone for the environments at least.

I'm pre-ordering it tomorrow when I pick up TLoU.

 

[gatti-man]

Oh right, the casuals that peruse GAF and equivalent video game forums all year long. How could I forget about those.

I personally know 8 casuals that played the beta. Besides I don't know many casuals that dig through old E3 videos anyways.

 

[Wizman23]

After playing the Beta for 3 hours and beating pretty much all the Earth standard missions I took the net to give my thoughts and impressions. I was ridiculed by my peers for my review and now it seems that everyone is finally catching up on what the final product will be. I stated that the game is beautiful and there isn't much in the way stopping the rest of the game looking good, but I also gave my opinion on how I thought the game was really lacking. It wasn't hard to figure out that the beta would be a lot of the game we'd get launch day. Further "rumors" seem to be verifying my thoughts. It's a decent game...76 out of 100 for me. PvP could have saved the game for me but it truthfully was just plain bad and I honestly don't see it being a competitive game. MP gets a 62/100 from me(that's being nice about it). I guess I just find it comical that everyone was defending this game with their biggest guns and now they're all realizing what I saw.

Has someone put together a list of awful posts in this thread? I would have a hard time seeing any post top this GEM!!

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

Does it? That would really mess with the number of story missions, then, since each one has at least two difficulty settings. (Three in the alpha.)

Wouldn't be surprised if each story mission gets something like 4-5 difficulties a piece, "difficulties" just being rebalanced for higher levels, e.g. level 6, level 9, level 12, level 15, level 18, etc.

 

[commish]

That's like some of us would simply like to know, "no, there isn't just one exploratory area per planet". Yet for some posters we are supposed to shut the fuck up and wait for reviews/impressions at launch.

But why can't you wait until the game is released? Why is that not good enough for you?

 

[B.O.O.M]

Guys I don't think wanting to know information regarding aspects of a product prior to release is entitlement at all. Consumers have that right. Yes they will have all their questions answered one way or the other after the product launch but it doesn't help those who are willing to commit to a purchase on day one.

While I understand some are going a little too far with hyperbole in this thread regarding the topic at hand, let's not outright dismiss valid concerns. The post earlier by the Bungie employee (at least I think he/she was) didn't really answer anything but rather side step the questions, which doesn't really help.

Just my two cents, and I personally don't care either way as I doubt I'll be buying this day 1

 

[commish]

Guys I don't think wanting to know information regarding aspects of a product prior to release is entitlement at all. Consumers have that right. Yes they will have all their questions answered one way or the other after the product launch but it doesn't help those who are willing to commit to a purchase on day one. 1

If it's that important to you, why can't you just buy the game on day two?

 

[cripterion]

Sure. As you can't even buy the game yet, they don't owe you shit.

My PSN credit says otherwise. The Bungie defense force is getting ugly in here.

But why can't you wait until the game is released? Why is that not good enough for you?

i can wait.
I'm also not part of canceling preorder crowd but why am I not allowed to voice my concerns on the forum, especially considering the thread title?

 

[David___]

Guys I don't think wanting to know information regarding aspects of a product prior to release is entitlement at all. Consumers have that right. Yes they will have all their questions answered one way or the other after the product launch but it doesn't help those who are willing to commit to a purchase on day one.

While I understand some are going a little too far with hyperbole in this thread regarding the topic at hand, let's not outright dismiss valid concerns. The post earlier by the Bungie employee (at least I think he/she was) didn't really answer anything but rather side step the questions, which doesn't really help.

Just my two cents, and I personally don't care either way as I doubt I'll be buying this day 1

They will get that info launch day with reviews. No one is forced to buy the game at launch and unless Bungiee/Activision puts a NDA on content in a review then there isn't anything wrong with waiting.

 

[Karl Hawk]

My PSN credit says otherwise. The Bungie defense force is getting ugly in here.

Eh, pre-ordering digitally on a console sounds a waste of space to me, but it's your call.

Besides, no one forced you to pre-order it in the first place.