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[EventHorizon]

The MMO Template kind of breaks the game for me. Halo was fun to play because it was fun to play not becuase some random rewards. The way I see it the MMO template goes against the shooter template MMO = time/grinding/rewards FPS = Skill-Feel.

The MMO template can work for shooters, the problem is that it is looking like Bungie is failing to implement one of the things that provide their hook, large amounts of exploitable content. People put up with the grinding, to various degrees, because they want to see what is in that next zone. They pay the toll of slowly powering up their characters in order to experience new content. With Destiny looking to have a much reduced amount of content at launch, that incentive to grind is gone and thus the current uproar.

None of that invalidates what you said about your personal preference in gaming. The amount of grinding people will accept is variable, and your threshold just could be very low. I am only pointing out that an MMO can be successfully paired with a FPS.

 

[cripterion]

I'm confused... So wanting to know if there's more than one area on each planet is now bad?

Apparently it makes you entitled and whiny for some.

It's like wanting to know if there are extra stadiums or leagues in FIFA.
I don't see what's the big deal if some us would like to know based around our initial impressions that there would be more than one area per planet since the game was said to be massive and full of exploration.

I remember when MGS4 was getting ready to launch and we'd literally only seen gameplay from one section of the game.

Seriously, some people just can't be happy.

Let's try to compare what's comparable.

 

[Darryl M R]

When a company makes a statement that says, "Our goal is to reach X point" and then years upon years pass before the product is released, I feel it's prudent of the consumer to ask, "Did you guys end up reaching that goal?" A consumer is responsible for their own money and purchases.

It is not on the creator to make sure that every tiny bit of information is spoon fed to each potential consumer. It's simply not possible.

And consumes are asking. They are putting pressure on Bungie to answer and be more transparent with their goals. Someone can not be responsible for a purchase if information is being withheld- and they have received false information-corporate law.

Actually it is possible, and companies are indeed responsible to make sure that correct information is widely available.

 

[crappybannedjunior999999]

I'm confused... So wanting to know if there's more than one area on each planet is now bad?

Not at all. What's bad is acting like it's some sort of god given right you have as a consumer that they tell you. Bungie doesn't HAVE to tell you shit. You don't HAVE to buy it.

Something tells me they will though. If for no other reason than to tear it apart.

 

[CantTrickMe]

So it's come to this.

It was a rhetorical question.

 

[jwk94]

I remember when MGS4 was getting ready to launch and we'd literally only seen gameplay from one section of the game.

Seriously, some people just can't be happy.

That doesn't seem like something to be happy about.

 

[stephen08]

I think the statement about the geometry could have been handled better. It seems to me like people took that to mean something like Skyrim when really what was meant was simply that it is real geometry the game is rendering and hopefully one day they can expand in to it as playable space. In hindsight it probably should've never been mentioned.

 

[UpDownLeftRight]

Not only is it bad, but according to a bunch of people here you're also a piece of shit for thinking anything other than this game being the most amazing thing ever!!!!! lololol The amount of haters this game is making is ridiculous...

 

[Zakalwe]

Yet I haven't complained about preordering or anything like that so who's jumping to conclusions now? I was pointing out the fact that you can have the game paid, which the poster I responded to thought impossible.

It's in your power to edit the comment you quote to respond to a particular part. If you leave the "they don't owe you shit" bit, then we'll assume you meant to respond to that to.

 

[Mr.Batman]

This...isn't really a surprise I guess. I was hoping Destiny would be a nice mix between Skyrim and BL2 but after playing the beta I can see that's probably not going to be the case. I'm not upset or super offended, I didn't follow the game very much so I wasn't quite sure what I would be jumping into with the beta.

For the most part, I really enjoyed the campaign aspect of the beta but just couldn't get into the pvp for whatever reason. I think Bungie has done a fantastic job with this game but I am pretty sure I am going to cancel my pre-order. Nothing wrong with the game per say, I just had different thoughts about what it would be. Plus, I already have Sunset Overdrive, Master Chief Collection, Assassins Creed, and Smash for the fall. I'm going to be spending an ungodly amount of time with Smash so I probably wouldn't even have time for Destiny anyway.

 

[Lakitu]

yeah but they come with new activities, gear, strikes, etc

Summary: The two expansions will include new story missions, new coop activities, new PvP arenas and new weapons and gear for you to earn.

Oh right, thanks.

 

[Orayn]

I think the statement about the geometry could have been handled better. It seems to me like people took that to mean something like Skyrim when really what was meant was simply that it is real geometry the game is rendering and hopefully one day they can expand in to it as playable space. In hindsight it probably should've never been mentioned.

Yeah, that always seemed kind of suspect to me. I mean, I'd love it if it were true, but it was hard to believe given the cross-gen nature of the game and them only showing content that took place in smaller areas.

 

[EternalTruth]

From what I played of the beta, Destiny is way overhyped imo... sure the combat is fun and everything is polished to a fine sheen, but the story, environments, and balance are all pretty terrible in their current state...

 

[B.O.O.M]

Is it important to other consumers? As I said before, there have been thousands of games released without such information, yet I have never heard a similar outcry. And even when such game length is discussed by the company, most times the "hours of gameplay" is grossly inflated or includes finding every secret in every area of the game on every difficulty level, which is actually worse for consumers because it is grossly misleading.

Again, if it's so important, then wait until release. Why is this simply not an option? I still don't get it. You have a problem, and there is a ready solution, but that solution isn't good enough for some unknown reason.

Honestly it seems like you are making an effort to miss the point here. Come on man it's not that hard to understand.

Depending on the game/genre some pieces of information will be more important than others. Number of locations is a VERY important piece of information for Destiny. For example the number of locations in the SP of Uncharted 4 won't be as important. But the Number of locations is important for a racer like DriveClub. We are not talking about the time it would take to complete this game because it's not gonna be useful as you say, especially for a game like Destiny.

Again, it may not be important to you personally, but depending on prior purchasing plans other consumers have they will like to know the information before the launch of the product. And please let's not pretend that buying a game on day 1 is a new and crazy idea in the video game industry. So yes the answer to your question 'is it important to other customers?' is a definite yes, and this thread already have shown that.

 

[veritassin]

When a company makes a statement that says, "Our goal is to reach X point" and then years upon years pass before the product is released, I feel it's prudent of the consumer to ask, "Did you guys end up reaching that goal?" A consumer is responsible for their own money and purchases. It is not on the creator to make sure that every tiny bit of information is spoon fed to each potential consumer. It's simply not possible.

This is crazy. People get in an uproar if estimated gas mileage is off by a few miles. If Tesla said that their new car would get 220 miles off of one charge and then released it without saying a word that it actually only got 200, there would be a huge controversy. Probably lawsuits and recalls etc.

 

[Jest Chillin]

I intend to still buy the game. I still like what the game has to offer. Do I like what it has to offer less than I did before? Sure, but it is still worth the $60 me. We are doing nothing but critiquing how I express my discontent over their failure to communicate. Why is this such a bother for you? I said I don't like that they have allowed misleading statements to remain unchecked. Period. I do not like that act. That is the act I do not like. It doesn't mean I think Bungie is horrible and I refuse to ever buy a Bungie game again. I just don't like that act. Why can't I say I don't like that act without being critiqued in a thousand different ways on how I should feel about that act and all the different ways we could hypothetically justify that act?

We're not critiquing how you feel at all. We're talking about whether or not it's a fair judgement to jump immediately to claims of "lies" and "misleading" based on a not-well-supported assumption on the part of some consumers.

I've enjoyed my time with Destiny thus far and will likely enjoy my time with the game upon release. At this point, I want the game to do well and I want sequels to be released in the future so I can have more fun down the line. Exaggerated claims that negatively effect Bungie's reputation can easily lead to sales problems which then leads to issues with sequels. If a Game or Developer deserves the negative claims being given, then that's fine. If they don't deserve it though, then it's not justified simply because a few people felt like expressing themselves a little louder.

 

[Pattycakes]

Not only is it bad, but according to a bunch of people here you're also a piece of shit for thinking anything other than this game being the most amazing thing ever!!!!! lololol The amount of haters this game is making is ridiculous...

Do you even read your own posts?

 

[Darryl M R]

I actually wonder if there will ever be a gaming lawsuit on information being withheld and companies over-promising. The lawsuit could be basically, "I bought this game expecting X, I had to play Y amount of hours until I realize X wasn't there. When I tried to return the game because X was not there and I have multiple citation implying that X would be in there I was not able to get a full refund."

It actually sounds like a sound lawsuit. I am not suggesting consumers go out and sue, but I would not be surprised if there is a gaming lawsuit that actually brings regulation to this industry. And maybe then entitlement from both consumers and companies will go away and we can treat this industry like the business it is.

 

[Trickster]

As someone who has followed this game religiously, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Bungie has been hammering this as an action game for forever and a year. After the strike gameplay reveal, urk came in here talking about the different modes, and we haven't even seen all of Old Russia yet (several areas were blocked off). Maybe being well-versed in Bungie's games has helped me reasonably set my expectations better than most, but from what I've seen, Bungie is not coming up short in delivering on its promises. It's great that people have high expectations and imaginations of incredible experiences an order of magnitude higher in scale, but it's not Bungie's fault for not delivering on those expectations.

Dunno where you have been following it. But what Bungie touted this game has, was a huge, ambitious game that would have you travel across the solar system, visiting, exploring and rediscovering long lost human civilization. And when they began to show off old russia during e3 2013, they presented what we now know is only part of the skybox, as part of the playable space players would run around it. Basically presenting zones as being much bigger and open than they are.

They never bothered to try and correct the obvious misconceptions about what zones Destiny would contain or how many there would be. Even though ever since GDC 2013, people have been talking about how they were looking forward to visiting europa, mumbai push, black garden, flooded chicago, european dead zone etc.

 

[B.O.O.M]

I actually wonder if there will ever be a gaming lawsuit on information being withheld and companies over-promising. The lawsuit could be basically, "I bought this game expecting X, I had to play Y amount of hours until I realize X wasn't there. When I tried to return the game because X was not there and I have multiple citation implying thatXi would be in there I was not able to get a full refund."

It actually sounds like a sound lawsuit. I am not suggesting consumers go out and sue, but I would not be surprised if there is a gaming lawsuit that actually brings regulation to this industry. And maybe then entitlement from both consumers and companies will go away and we can treat this industry like the business it is.

I could have sworn there was something similar that actually happened a while ago..something about the expectations not being met. Sims maybe? lol

 

[CantTrickMe]

Do you even read your own posts?

I didn't hate on a single person in this thread or any previous thread, whereas there are tons of people who write demeaning things about one another on here. What you quoted was sarcasm and if you cant figure out the context then I'm sorry for you.

 

[cripterion]

It's in your power to edit the comment you quote to respond to a particular part. If you leave the "they don't owe you shit" bit, then we'll assume you meant to respond to that to.

Yeah and I guess If some of you weren't too occupied to defend this game/company to the core, I wouldn't have to clarify a simple reply.

 

[WarpathDC]

If I have to play old Russia one more time...

 

[commish]

Honestly it seems like you are making an effort to miss the point here. Come on man it's not that hard to understand.

Depending on the game/genre some pieces of information will be more important than others. Number of locations is a VERY important piece of information for Destiny. For example the number of locations in the SP of Uncharted 4 won't be as important. But the Number of locations is important for a racer like DriveClub. We are not talking about the time it would take to complete this game because it's not gonna be useful as you say, especially for a game like Destiny.

Again, it may not be important to you personally, but depending on prior purchasing plans other consumers have they will like to know the information before the launch of the product. And please let's not pretend that buying a game on day 1 is a new and crazy idea in the video game industry. So yes the answer to your question 'is it important to other customers?' is a definite yes, and this thread already have shown that.

Again, if it's important to you, then why is waiting until a review hits (probably the day before release) not an option? Yes, in an ideal world, Bungie would give us this information and we'd all be better informed. Until that happens, however, there is an alternative solution, which is waiting. I feel like I'm talking in circles, and no one is telling me why waiting until reviews is not possible, especially when it's possible/likely that reviews will hit before/at release, meaning you can still play day one. Just tell me that.

 

[Interficium]

I didn't hate on a single person in this thread or any previous thread, whereas there are tons of people who write demeaning things about one another on here.

Well, aside from that whole bit where you accused that dude of taking money from Activision.

 

[nynt9]

Again, if it's important to you, then why is waiting until a review hits (probably the day before release) not an option? Yes, in an ideal world, Bungie would give us this information and we'd all be better informed. Until that happens, however, there is an alternative solution, which is waiting. I feel like I'm talking in circles, and no one is telling me why waiting until reviews is not possible, especially when it's possible/likely that reviews will hit before/at release, meaning you can still play day one. Just tell me that.

Preorder bonuses? Limited editions? Publishers encourage front loaded sales with such bonuses and late review embargoes.

 

[gatti-man]

I didn't hate on a single person in this thread or any previous thread, whereas there are tons of people who write demeaning things about one another on here. What you quoted was sarcasm and if you cant figure out the context then I'm sorry for you.

So you troll and then get some funny responses and now claim you're being persecuted? No one is believing you so just stop.

Don't like the game state Legitimate reasons and join the debate.

 

[Pattycakes]

I actually wonder if there will ever be a gaming lawsuit on information being withheld and companies over-promising. The lawsuit could be basically, "I bought this game expecting X, I had to play Y amount of hours until I realize X wasn't there. When I tried to return the game because X was not there and I have multiple citation implying that X would be in there I was not able to get a full refund."

It actually sounds like a sound lawsuit. I am not suggesting consumers go out and sue, but I would not be surprised if there is a gaming lawsuit that actually brings regulation to this industry. And maybe then entitlement from both consumers and companies will go away and we can treat this industry like the business it is.

That would be the Battlefield 4 lawsuit. And if I recall it went no where fast.

 

[ryan299]

Dunno where you have been following it. But what Bungie touted this game has, was a huge, ambitious game that would have you travel across the solar system, visiting, exploring and rediscovering long lost human civilization. And when they began to show off old russia during e3 2013, they presented what we now know is only part of the skybox, as part of the playable space players would run around it. Basically presenting zones as being much bigger and open than they are.

They never bothered to try and correct the obvious misconceptions about what zones Destiny would contain or how many there would be. Even though ever since GDC 2013, people have been talking about how they were looking forward to visiting europa, mumbai push, black garden, flooded chicago, european dead zone etc.

Don't you worry, you'll be able to travel across the solar system. *


*In paid DLC and in Destiny 2.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

I didn't hate on a single person in this thread or any previous thread, whereas there are tons of people who write demeaning things about one another on here. What you quoted was sarcasm and if you cant figure out the context then I'm sorry for you.

I'm sure he realized it was sarcasm. I think his point is that it was the sort of eyeroll-inducing post you would expect a 13-year-old to make.

 

[Jest Chillin]

They have not clarified that the game will not be open and playable.

That "one comment" was the way they E3 demo started for every publication that came to see Destiny, thereby marking it as a prominent feature.

But yes, you can't use comments made about a game from the makers of the game and think that the game will be anything like the comments you made about the when you first showed the game. How unreasonable of people to assume Bungie was being representative of their own game when indirectly debuting it to millions.

I'm done with the conversation for now but I will be sure to reference it in the future that misrepresenting your product is all fine and dandy because.

By all means reference this conversation. But do so as an example of you taking quite a few leaps of logic to misrepresent what I'm saying and using your own personal measurement of things like "open world" as well as making an assumption about the entire game based on a single early comment about a goal hoped to be achieved at a future date.

And consumes are asking. They are putting pressure on Bungie to answer and be more transparent with their goals. Someone can not be responsible for a purchase if information is being withheld- and they have received false information-corporate law.

Actually it is possible, and companies are indeed responsible to make sure that correct information is widely available.

People in this thread are asking for a wide variety of different levels of information depending on each persons personal desires, some go so far as to want an actual itemized list of activities and locations. It's excessive and way to wide a spectrum. I'm also not seeing where Bungie is with-holding anything. They've said there will be one area on each planet. They've said it's larger than any previous game. Are they expected to give specific square mile/square kilometer measurements now?

And Bungie has released a ton of information through a wide variety of outlets. Interviews all over the place. But none of that information appears to be being taken into consideration and instead a few people would rather focus on one passing comment about a future goal from early on in Destiny's announcement year.

This is crazy. People get in an uproar if estimated gas mileage is off by a few miles. If Tesla said that their new car would get 220 miles off of one charge and then released it without saying a word that it actually only got 200, there would be a huge controversy. Probably lawsuits and recalls etc.

This is taking an example and going off topic with it but what you're responding to doesn't take into account what I actually said. A projected goal announced well before the vehicle goes into production is not something that any reasonable consumer would hold a company to. An officially announced figure nearing the release of the product is something different entirely.

 

[crappybannedjunior999999]

Somebody should re-do the new El Torro Gif.

http://a.pomf.se/rknxao.gif

"We won't support a lack of transparency."
"Just give Gaf something. Anything?!"

"How many strikes?"

"How many exploration zones?"

"How many PvP maps?"

Etc.

 

[veritassin]

This is taking an example and going off topic with it but what you're responding to doesn't take into account what I actually said. A projected goal announced well before the vehicle goes into production is not something that any reasonable consumer would hold a company to. An officially announced figure nearing the release of the product is something different entirely.

This isn't what you were saying though. You were saying that consumers shouldn't even expect companies to release more accurate information closer to release and should seek it out themselves, at least that's what it seemed like to me. But yes, if a company can't meet their stated goals they should release new information closer to release. HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that people can and should be disappointed and faith in the product and manufacturer will be reduced.

 

[Zakalwe]

Yeah and I guess If some of you weren't too occupied to defend this game/company to the core, I wouldn't have to clarify a simple reply.

You responded to a comment that was directly referencing the idea that Bungie don't owe us anything.

Your lack of clarity is not our fault, conversations have threads, we can't read your mind, we can only go with the words you left on the page.

 

[KeRaSh]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but could it be that Bungie can't just release all the info because IGN has that deal going on and they paid for the world exclusive reveal of some of the unknown content?

 

[Two Words]

We're not critiquing how you feel at all. We're talking about whether or not it's a fair judgement to jump immediately to claims of "lies" and "misleading" based on a not-well-supported assumption on the part of some consumers.

I've enjoyed my time with Destiny thus far and will likely enjoy my time with the game upon release. At this point, I want the game to do well and I want sequels to be released in the future so I can have more fun down the line. Exaggerated claims that negatively effect Bungie's reputation can easily lead to sales problems which then leads to issues with sequels. If a Game or Developer deserves the negative claims being given, then that's fine. If they don't deserve it though, then it's not justified simply because a few people felt like expressing themselves a little louder.

Should Bungie expect me to not feel lied to if they tell us that you can openly explore out into the horizon when you cannot in the final game? Should they expect me to simply rationalize it was a mistake or something that didn't pan out? Should they expect me not to expect some sort of retraction?

 

[B.O.O.M]

Again, if it's important to you, then why is waiting until a review hits (probably the day before release) not an option? Yes, in an ideal world, Bungie would give us this information and we'd all be better informed. Until that happens, however, there is an alternative solution, which is waiting. I feel like I'm talking in circles, and no one is telling me why waiting until reviews is not possible, especially when it's possible/likely that reviews will hit before/at release, meaning you can still play day one. Just tell me that.

holy shit it's like talking to a wall!

Ffs man let me break this down for you

SOME PEOPLE want to buy the game on day 1....And they would rather get the information before day 1...That is important to 'them'. It may not be for you, but it is for them. Why do they need to wait until review embargos to 'ask'? Do we even know when the embargo is? Or should we wait until reviews come out because then we will know when the embargo is lifted right?

You basically went after a poster who wanted more info as if he/she is in the wrong or acting entitled. Which is absolute nonsense. You can't put the blame on consumers for wanting to know more no matter what. 'But why don't they wait' is not a valid line of reasoning. It doesn't have to be an ideal world for a consumer to ask questions about a product/service they want to pay for.

Why are you defending Bungie anyways? Tell me this, expecting Bungie to answer a simple question regarding the number of areas in the game too much? Wouldn't knowing this be good for everyone? Bungie doesn't even need to give a concrete number. They can say the only one area info is wrong or they can say there are more than one in some locations or something. All I ask is let's not go after posters who want to know the info..we are all consumers here and learning more details early never hurt us. it may hurt the company if they have something to hide or have been misleading, but it won't hurt us consumers.

 

[MMaRsu]

Have you guys seen the new pvp map on Earth?

It's another map with Old Russia visuals. So yeah more brown drab visuals.

 

[Symbiotx]

Haha wow, this has turned into some big gripe about how the skybox isn't explorable, and that they're lying tricksters that planned to get us interested in a game that isn't big enough.

I spent an hour and a half exploring in the moon, and there were walled off areas you couldn't go. Deej says "Moon is our smallest destination", so I'm sure there will be plenty of other places to explore.

They also said they will have "ongoing activities and events" to keep providing things to do.

They aren't trying to under deliver here. There will be plenty to do. We've only seen a small piece of what will be there in the full game.

 

[Zakalwe]

BOOM

I think the idea is that maybe Bungie don't want to release all the information yet, maybe they want it to be a surprise, maybe they just want to tease us in with small bits of information, or maybe they are really hiding a bad game and trying to lure pre-orders....

Whatever the reason, they're under no obligation to us and we have the power to decide with our wallets.

There may be legit reasons why they're not revealing every single detail about the game.

Does that suck for the people who need to know before pre-ordering? Sure, but they have a strategy and they're sticking to it for now.

We make do with what we have, I just don't see why people are getting so upset about it either way.

 

[Lrrr]

The expansions are $20 each.

Yes, you are correct.

 

[cripterion]

You responded to a comment that was directly referencing the idea that Bungie don't owe us anything.

Your lack of clarity is not our fault, conversations have threads, we can't read your mind, we can only go with the words you left on the page.

Ok... I responded to a comment saying one couldn't have already paid for the game. I thought the reply was pretty simple.
I also never implied that me preordering was bad thing so don't see what's the problem here.

BOOM

I think the idea is that maybe Bungie don't want to release all the information yet, maybe they want it to be a surprise, maybe they just want to tease us in with small bits of information, or maybe they are really hiding a bad game and trying to lure pre-orders....

Whatever the reason, they're under no obligation to us and we have the power to decide with our wallets.

There may be legit reasons why they're not revealing every single detail about the game.

Does that suck for the people who need to know before pre-ordering? Sure, but they have a strategy and they're sticking to it for now.

We make do with what we have, I just don't see why people are getting so upset about it either way.

We make due with what we have indeed. I don't think anyone is upset about this, more like disappointed.
They sure seem to have no problem showing us what bonuses we get for preordering though :/

 

[Jest Chillin]

This isn't what you were saying though. You were saying that consumers shouldn't even expect companies to release more accurate information closer to release and should seek it out themselves, at least that's what it seemed like to me. But yes, if a company can't meet their stated goals they should release new information closer to release. HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that people can and should be disappointed and faith in the product and manufacturer will be reduced.

Different parts of my posts are referencing different aspects of multiple conversations, so it's easy to misunderstand if you haven't followed them all along. My statements about consumers seeking information are in reference to some claims that Bungie should be held accountable for early statements referencing goals and that if those goals weren't met, it must have be an intentional lie. My stance is that the onus is on the consumer to seek out the information that is most recently available. If there is a specific aspect of information that isn't being expressed/released after so much time has passed, then the consumers thought process should be to seek a confirmation or denial of that information with the reasonable expectation that it may have changed in the meantime considering it hasn't been mentioned again. After that, having a reasonable reaction to the new info.

Thinking there would be more than one zone per planet and thinking that everything in sight would be reachable based on early presentations that state goals and list the conceptual ideas behind the IP isn't very realistic in terms of expectations in my opinion but regardless of that, when it's said that those things aren't true, a reasonable reaction isn't jumping immediately to "They lied!" If the most recent information still echo'd those older statements and phrased them as facts, then such a claim can be reasonably made but that's not the case here.

My stance has never been that people can't or shouldn't be disappointed. That's perfectly reasonable. My stance is that the reaction to that disappointment should be relative to development capabilities and a general understanding that sometimes things change or get cut for reasons that don't have bad intent. Not everything is a nebulous plot to trick consumers out of more money.

 

[EventHorizon]

Giving Bungie the benefit of the doubt, I think Destiny was always intended to be a content delivery system. They have mentioned a few times that the most difficult part of developing Destiny was in setting up the infrastructure and pipeline needed in order to deliver a steady stream of new content. So all their promises about the game come from the standpoint of that entire system delivering new experiences over time.

The problem is that to experience all that requires a constant outlay of money by the player and waiting the time for the content to be delivered. The $60 released game just won't live up to the promise. Unless you are a person that buys every game that even slightly interests you, the wise move to make now is to wait and see how the game turns out before committing. That is especially true given the other games coming out this fall.

 

[Rogue_element]

I really dont want to as I love what I have played so far but I think im going to cancel my preorder until we see exactly what the content is.

Just cancelled my pre order. Cheers Amazon UK

 

[McLovin]

I dont mind as long as the later expansions involve taking back another city.

 

[Angelcurio]

I hope we end up getting a clearer answer regarding content available at launch day before the official release of destiny. I really enjoyed the beta, and already have the game preordered on Amazon, but in the beta i ended up playing most of the missions in just one or two sittings, and from that point the only thing left to do was to replay those same missions over and over again. Even though it was a beta, it felt really light on content, and it definitiely worries me if that already represents a good 20-25% of the whole game.

I really didn't like the PvP portion of the game, but to me it didn't matter since i'm more of a single player type of gamer, and i was more interested in the cooperative aspect of the game, which i really really enjoyed. Let's hope that Destiny doesn't end up being half a game, with the other half available through DLC.

 

[Zakalwe]

Ok... I responded to a comment saying one couldn't have already paid for the game. I thought the reply was pretty simple.
I also never implied that me preordering was bad thing so don't see what's the problem here.

As I said, conversations have threads, if you only mean to respond to a part of a comment you should quote that part only or it can cause legitimate confusion.

Surely you understand that?

 

[MMaRsu]

Haha wow, this has turned into some big gripe about how the skybox isn't explorable, and that they're lying tricksters that planned to get us interested in a game that isn't big enough.

I spent an hour and a half exploring in the moon, and there were walled off areas you couldn't go. Deej says "Moon is our smallest destination", so I'm sure there will be plenty of other places to explore.

They also said they will have "ongoing activities and events" to keep providing things to do.

They aren't trying to under deliver here. There will be plenty to do. We've only seen a small piece of what will be there in the full game.

We can still be skeptical about the amount of landmass and the fact they claimed much grander scale before the alpha and beta came out. The fact is that what we have played in Old Russia and The Moon aren't that huge. That underground tunnel system in the moon feels pretty big but if you've run through it twice and that's all there is on the moon to explore that would suck.

I think it's last gen holding them back, and the fact they want the game to play the same on every platform. A nice gesture to 360 and ps3 players but sadly their original vision is something that's probably been shoved to Destiny2.

 

[commish]

I dont mind as long as the later expansions involve taking back another city.

This is my only concern, that they scaled back the game simply to sell it to us later as DLC.