THANOS IS IN GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY, THE INTERNET IS A SNAKE EATING ITS OWN TAIL

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enzo_gt said:
My issue with this thread isn't that Thanos is in the film, I mean, duh, if you've been following anything MCU in the past few years. It's that I clicked on the thread title at the time and got a cell phone screencap of a movie I wanted to walk into fresh and see Thanos in the context of the film, which probably would have had some buildup to it.
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If you got in before the thread title changes, that's all on you as he says "First look at Thanos" you can't go in expecting a high quality picture as that's not at all what the title promises you.

If you entered after the thread title changes then you can blame it on the mods. I think what he looks like is a definite spoiler since it hasn't been in any promotional material.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
And people are responding in kind that someone's not knowing something isn't the baseline definition of "Spoiler,"

Yes, it can (and should) be taken into account to varying degrees, but there's also a point at which the person who doesn't know whether or not they've actually been spoiled need to apply perspective to the situation, and examine the context. This thread is as large as it is because there are a lot of people who get to that point, and decline to apply perspective and context, and stall out at "But I didn't know!" as if that should count more on a discussion forum where knowing what you're talking about is maybe not as valued as it should be, but it IS definitely valued.

Yondu isn't in any trailers, either. I don't think saying his character is in the movie would be considered by anyone to be a spoiler - at least not until someone who didn't know any better decided to get publicly aggrieved at the idea that there are things they don't know about that other people DO know about and that's unfair.

If a guy goes to the trouble of looking some shit up to see if and when a piece of information is public knowledge to a certain degree (as the Thanos information absolutely was) then it's hard to say they're being completely inconsiderate. They're thinking before they post. But if you are suggesting that discussion of non-spoilers needs to be hampered and further constrained because there are people who DON'T KNOW that's a NON-SPOILER and that in itself is a SPOILER, then we're going to continue to go in circles because that's kind of ridiculous.

Again - if you're making the decision to go above and beyond when it comes to that first viewing "purity," then at some point you need to take that into account and behave accordingly, and that doesn't mean getting angry at people when they don't spoil a non-spoiler that you didn't know about. It's on you to discover whether or not you ACTUALLY got spoiled before you start complaining, not just react. Otherwise, the inconsideration and unfairness is on the part of the person who does not know what they're talking about dictating the terms of discussion for everyone else.
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I think this is a nicely worded post. And really should somehow be turned into something larger. I think it is really interesting. Other people have said similar things, but I think you articulated it best.

I really don't have much of a counter to that. It's like when i can't watch game of thrones that night, i know to stay off twitter. Maybe if I am trying to avoid facts about a movie, because i want a pure experience, that puts the onus on me to avoid it, rather than everyone else to keep it away from me. Fair enough

I am interested in how this idea is different for movies than in games. Is it a spoiler for me to say Gone Home isn't a horror game? By your definition no. But I think a lot of the reason why I liked that game, is because i thought it could have been. At any minute i was expecting something awful to happen. The developers were always very clear it wasn't a horror game. The previews stated it wasn't. But I didn't know that, I just saw everyone talking about it and checked it out myself. But I guess, in the end I agree with you. That isn't a spoiler. But it is a case where my lack of knowledge enhanced an experience...So i get wanting to have that purity.Perhaps that should not be an expectation, but a delight when it does/can occur.

I still think their is a politer response to those who felt spoiled then what happened on this forum. But I guess that is another discussion
 
Mariolee said:
It just degrades your advice considering that apparently it isn't good enough for even you yourself to follow. There's a reason no one listens to hypocrites.
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That's not hypocrisy. Telling people not to be weak enough to be consumed by their coffee addiction while drinking coffee myself would be hypocrisy. Saying that I think coffee is bad for me while drinking it isn't.
 
DarkFlow said:
You really don't see how that's the same thing?
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No. Being aware that something you do is bad for you isn't hypocrisy. Giving advice that you yourself can't follow is. I'm not giving advice when I say that I think all movies would be better if people went in blind to them. I'm giving an opinion. Saying that is not the same as telling people that they really should stop watching all trailers and talking about movies altogether.

Advice: Darkflow, you should really stop drinking coffee. It's bad for you.
Opinion: Coffee is bad for you, Darkflow.

See how in the second instance I'm not advising or recommending you take any action on the information. It's just an opinion.

Are bulimics being hypocrites for thinking that they're fat? Of course not.
 
Scullibundo said:
That's not hypocrisy. Telling people not to be weak enough to be consumed by their coffee addiction while drinking coffee myself would be hypocrisy. Saying that I think coffee is bad for me while drinking it isn't.
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To me, a hypocrite is someone who states an opinion is preferrable but lives with another opinion.

"Coffee is bad for me" is stated as more of a fact than an opinion. You're arguing that coffee has properties that are in fact unhealthy for your body. There's objective measures on whether or not something is healthy for your body.

"Seeing a movie without knowing anything about it is a better experience than if you did know things about it" is an opinion. There's no objective measure on what someone's opinion is on a film because naturally an opinion is subjective.

Having me kill myself with a note stating, "Killing yourself is harmful for your body", doesn't make me a hypocrite.

Killing myself with a note stating, "Killing yourself is stupid" does.
 
"THANOS IS IN THE GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY" And here's a shitty phone picture of him in a theatre ? Glad I saw that now instead of, you know, tomorrow when I go to see the movie. Stupid thread title, should have a spoiler warning for the pic.
 
TalkingToast said:
"THANOS IS IN THE GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY" And here's a shitty phone picture of him in a theatre ? Glad I saw that now instead of, you know, tomorrow when I go to see the movie. Stupid thread title, should have a spoiler warning for the pic.
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To be fair, I do think the Mods should put a spoiler warning for the pic in the thread title, but it's their fight not mine.
 
Mariolee said:
To me, a hypocrite is someone who states an opinion is preferrable but lives with another opinion.

"Coffee is bad for me" is stated as more of a fact than an opinion. You're arguing that coffee has properties that are in fact unhealthy for your body. There's objective measures on whether or not something is healthy for your body.

"Seeing a movie without knowing anything about it is a better experience than if you did know things about it" is an opinion. There's no objective measure on what someone's opinion is on a film because naturally an opinion is subjective.

Having me kill myself with a note stating, "Killing yourself is harmful for your body", doesn't make me a hypocrite.

Killing myself with a note stating, "Killing yourself is stupid" does.
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I had a really dark counter-response to your last example that I wouldn't want to be taken seriously or the wrong way, so I won't post it. Except to say that I don't think your examples are equivocal.
 
Tricky I Shadow said:
What an....odd thread.

**slowly backs away**
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Scullibundo said:
I had a really dark counter-response to your last example that I wouldn't want to be taken seriously or the wrong way, so I won't post it. Except to say that I don't think your examples are equivocal.
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Yeah, that may have been a poor example, but I hope you get my gist even if you don't agree with it.

DarkFlow said:
That looks like a spoiler to something.
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It's the climax to the universe.
Or the universe climaxing ;)
 
Mariolee said:
If you got in before the thread title changes, that's all on you as he says "First look at Thanos" you can't go in expecting a high quality picture as that's not at all what the title promises you.

If you entered after the thread title changes then you can blame it on the mods. I think what he looks like is a definite spoiler since it hasn't been in any promotional material.
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I think this thread got multiple title changes. I came in on one that looked super sarcastic and was all caps and definitely did not warn me that I was about to see a screencap from GotG.

That's pretty shitty, especially if mods are defending that.
 
DarkFlow said:
Was it? I've never seen someone call spoiler over something that's NOT in the film.
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I've definitely seen people get mad because they've been told that something ISN'T in a game/movie/tv show.

pretty sure Sculli's seen it himself which is why he said that so sarcastically.
 
The Silver said:
I've definitely seen people get mad because they've been told that something ISN'T in a game/movie/tv show.

pretty sure Sculli's seen it himself which is why he said that so sarcastically.
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I'm pretty sure I've said it myself.

I think around TDKR, somebody came into the thread saying
ALFRED DIES ALFRED DIES ALFRED DIES.

After he was banned, a GAFFER who had already seen the film assured everybody not to worry, because Alfred doesn't die.

I didn't want to know either piece of information.
 
DarkFlow said:
Was it? I've never seen someone call spoiler over something that's NOT in the film.
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I saw some guy in gaming get mad over people discussing how GTA V's console performance was before he got a chance to see it firsthand with his own copy. There's always some new and interesting way to be offended.
 
Interstellar is actually Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

Christopher Nolan is directing, he wanted massive misdirection cause it's now a psychological space opera.

Matthew McConoughey plays Richard Ryder.
 
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