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[Wazzy]

Okay I'm really loving how Thanos looks. I can't wait to see it in motion.

"As a human being, we can feel empathy towards other people who are expressing a reasonable emotional reaction. This is, in the end, just a stupid movie about space assholes and a talking raccoon."

While he may directly say, "be sympathetic"--he is implying it.

What attitude am I giving off? My words aren't hostile, aggressive, demeaning, or even sarcastic. Whatever I am giving off is being interpreted by you.

All I'm saying is something this trivial doesn't deserve sympathy. If you think it does you're entitled to that position.

You said "what's there to be sympathetic about?" dismissing anyone disappointed by this. How is that not being rude? Especially when it was a post that wasn't even something to argue over.

And you continue to be dismissive. You can still have sympathy for something that's not big. You act like someone is crying over this news. Disappointment is not some huge overreaction.

 

[marrec]

Okay I'm really loving how Thanos looks. I can't wait to see it in motion.

I said it 8 hours ago and I'll say again:

I don't dig the get up. Then again, Thanos has had more costume changes than any other character in Marvel history so it's all good. As long as I can get my Monkly robed out Thanos at some point.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

He's been confirmed for the movie by Marvel for months.

It's not like OP spoiled some secret they were keeping.

Well yeah, but even then, some people go dark.

 

[Sketchbag]

Okay I'm really loving how Thanos looks. I can't wait to see it in motion.



You said "what's there to be sympathetic about?" dismissing anyone disappointed by this. How is that not being rude? Especially when it was a post that wasn't even something to argue over.

And you continue to be dismissive. You can still have sympathy for something that's not big. You act like someone is crying over this news. Disappointment is not some huge overreaction.

Yes. What is there to be sympathetic about? People being disappointed at this trivial news isn't worth it. You're wasting energy. And time. Especially time. You can feel sympathy for them all you want. Go ahead. Have at it. It's just a waste of time. It's not like they broke their leg or were robbed. Or even got wet socks and shoes on a rainy day. Some things you just can't bothered with. As I said before you can but you're wasting time and energy... oh and there's a good chance you don't apply this philosophy 100%. All I can do is shrug and move on with my day. I ain't got time for your Thanos problems.

 

[The Silver]

I can't believe Thanos isn't winning this poll, this is robbery.

 

[shacklesmcgee]

*moves around crudely made Star-Lord puppet* Ooga Chaka. Ooga Ooga.

*stick appears*

"I am Groot!"

*real raccoon starts attacking audience members*

 

[Wazzy]

Bronson: I demand a refund. That performance was weak.

I said it 8 hours ago and I'll say again:

I don't dig the get up. Then again, Thanos has had more costume changes than any other character in Marvel history so it's all good. As long as I can get my Monkly robed out Thanos at some point.

I didn't even know he had more costumes. I thought it was only the blue.

I still love how he looks but he totally looks like Ivan Ooze in the picture.

Yes. What is there to be sympathetic about? People being disappointed at this trivial news isn't worth it. You're wasting energy. And time. Especially time. You can feel sympathy for them all you want. Go ahead. Have at it. It's just a waste of time. It's not like they broke their leg or were robbed. Or even got wet socks and shoes on a rainy day. Some things you just can't bothered with. As I said before you can but you're wasting time and energy... oh and there's a good chance you don't apply this philosophy 100%. All I can do is shrug and move on with my day. I ain't got time for your Thanos problems.

Energy? Christ you act like it takes everything to feel something.

When someone asked for sympathy, they weren't saying to coddle the person and feel horrible that they're disappointed. It's literally just "stop being a dick, they're disappointed and that's it".

Since arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall, I'm stopping.

 

[BronsonLee]

*stick appears*

"I am Groot!"

*real raccoon starts attacking audience members*

I like this. Let's take this on the road!

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Of course OP isn't to blame - he didn't post a spoiler.

I think another factor that needs to be taken into account is that a lot of spoilerphobes don't know to spring into spoiler-attack-mode until someone else suggests to them that they might have have their "pure" experience soiled against their will. Again, lets look at the previous thread, featuring no less than four posters in THIS thread:

At no point did ANYONE in that thread suggest that maybe the factoid being posted in the title of a thread was a spoiler. Because nobody did so, nobody else in the thread thought to react like a Spoilerphobe. They just took the title as given, read the link in the OP, and proceeded to their speculation/judgment phase of the thread. Same exact facts, but no fake whistleblowing to shape how another poster *should* react to the information.

In THIS thread, someone who hasn't been paying attention and pretty literally doesn't know what they're talking about puts up the spoiler signal, and now the thread is completely derailed, even though a spoiler hasn't been posted. Because people have the possibility that they're being spoiled (they're not) planted in their head now, they react IMMEDIATELY in the negative, and it snowballs from there.

So you end up with a very frustrating situation on a messageboard, which is a person who doesn't know what they're talking about dictating the direction of the discussion for everyone else.

I think the crux of what we're trying to nail down is to have some perspective. I think the key difference between the two threads is that -- given that this is so close to release -- I think people just assume that this is probably a spoiler (because I didn't know before). And well, if I've gone this far and was going to see the movie anyway, I probably knew everything I needed to know.

But what is a spoiler, anyway. Traditionally, I think we would probably definitely call it something like revealing significant information that the entire film builds up to. Like answering who Luke's father is. Or who Keyser Soze is. Or what Rosebud refers to. Or what the twist is in a Shyamalan. Obviously, we need not limit ourselves to plot points this significant, but I think this is absolutely the primary concern here. Not that spoiling stuff about the above makes the films unwatchable, but it detracts from the experience seeing as how these are all central events and themes for the stories.

Now, at the other end of the spectrum, we agree that there's a lot of basic information that needs to be disseminated. I mean, this is obvious. I don't need to explain that one doesn't simply go up to a ticket counter and purchase two seats to "A Movie" wherein nothing is known until it starts, and if I see a credit that reveals the actors before they show up in the film I'm going to be pissed that the opening credits spoil who is starring in the movie. The movie is set up for you before you go in. Even if you're just a casual fan who doesn't geek out about the goings on of the silver screen, you know some things about the movie. You probably know some of the actors/actresses. You have a general idea of what the premise is. You probably know what genre it's supposed to be. You may know the director. You may know a lot more than this, but the short of it is that nobody goes in blind, even if they haven't followed all the news of the film.

Now, somewhere in between "having studied every frame of the film" and "I've never heard of this before" lies information that can be considered "spoiler-ish." I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all definition that will cover this. I don't think there really needs to be. I understand that the tone we've set may seem dismissive to some, but there's also been a growing sentiment on the part of the staff that concerns about what constitutes a spoiler are getting out of hand. The pushback you see is a result of that. That's not to say that I'm a fan of every rude post I've seen, mind you. But while the end here may have one side seeming kind of smug and childish, the beginning of the thread was overrun with whining that the very premise of the thread was heinous. And if ruining someone's enjoyment of a movie via unfair spoilers is a concern we need to worry about, the opposite extreme wherein this thread's title needs to be "Spoilers - Picture of person in film" for fear of ruining someone's enjoyment is also absurd. Finally, to circle back to the point about perspective, can people quantify why this would hinder enjoyment of the film?

 

[Sketchbag]

Bronson: I demand a refund. That performance was weak.


I didn't even know he had more costumes. I thought it was only the blue.

I still love how he looks but he totally looks like Ivan Ooze in the picture.


Energy? Christ you act like it takes everything to feel something.

When someone asked for sympathy, they weren't saying to coddle the person and feel horrible that they're disappointed. It's literally just "stop being a dick, they're disappointed and that's it".

Since arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall, I'm stopping.

Them being disappointed isn't our problem though. It's Thanos being shown! Them being disappointed doesn't make me stop talking about him. They can go be with the other disappointed people. Us regular folk gon' talk 'bout the the Purple-ish-Blue alien and say wild, crazy thangs about 'im.

 

[BronsonLee]

Bronson: I demand a refund. That performance was weak.

I'm sorry, refunds cannot be given out after the halfway point of the performance. Please contact our Customer Service Center for more support options.

 

[shacklesmcgee]

I like this. Let's take this on the road!

I can get the stick and raccoon for tomorrow probably. Do you have an old He-Man we can draw veins on with a sharpie for Drax and maybe a Bratz or something for Gamorrah? Dyed green, of course, this isn't amateur hour. Now my Star Lord was gonna be an old sock with some felt crudely glue gunned on the sides, but I'm all ears for suggestions.

 

[BearPawB]

Finally, to circle back to the point about perspective, can people quantify why this would hinder enjoyment of the film?

Because part of the enjoyment of a movie is being surprised, and not knowing what to expect.

It isn't the end of the world, and I will enjoy the movie all the same. I can guarantee I wont have the same feeling the first time Thanos shows up. It is a different experience.

So no, it isn't like it ruins the movie knowing this. But it also isn't optimal.

Can you explain why people have the need to shove information like this in peoples faces, who clearly don't want it?

And all of your examples of spoilers, you know what they have in common? They are all released. Anyone had ample opportunity to see those movies.
This movie came out 2 minutes ago. All i want is a weekend, is that too much to ask?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

So no, it isn't like it ruins the movie knowing this. But it also isn't optimal.

But on the flip - you don't actually know whether or not his appearance in the film is MEANT to be a surprise. It's entirely possible the film might play out in such a manner that you absolutely know you're going to be seeing and hearing Thanos before he shows up onscreen.

Is the film itself spoiling you in that case?

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Because part of the enjoyment of a movie is being surprised, and not knowing what to expect.

It isn't the end of the world, and I will enjoy the movie all the same. I can guarantee I wont have the same feeling the first time Thanos shows up. It is a different experience.

So no, it isn't like it ruins the movie knowing this. But it also isn't optimal.

Can you explain why people have the need to shove information like this in peoples faces, who clearly don't want it?

Again, there's no hard and fast rules at play. But clearly, commercial pieces of entertainment need some degree of promotion. And that involves releasing information about the film. The crux of my concern is that I'm trying to understand what about this constitutes a problematic spoiler aside from "I didn't know about this and therefore I'm going to use the term 'spoiler' to describe this piece of information I am claiming to not have wanted to know."

Would all movies benefit from knowing literally nothing about them in advance?

 

[BearPawB]

Again, there's no hard and fast rules at play. But clearly, commercial pieces of entertainment need some degree of promotion. And that involves releasing information about the film. The crux of my concern is that I'm trying to understand what about this constitutes and problematic spoiler aside from "I didn't know about this and therefore I'm going to use the term 'spoiler' to describe this piece of information I am claiming to not have wanted to know."

Would all movies benefit from knowing literally nothing about them in advance?

Thanos wasn't in any official trailer.
Sure, Brolin was at comic con, but that is hardly something everyone follows.

If it wasn't in the trailers, if it wasn't in the commercials, if he isn't on the poster. It is a spoiler. It is something marvel's marketing promotion chose to hold from the general public.

They didn't hold it back from the diehards who clamored for it. They held it back from their mass marketing.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Would all movies benefit from knowing literally nothing about them in advance?

Hell yeah, but that's not possible.

 

[marrec]

Again, there's no hard and fast rules at play. But clearly, commercial pieces of entertainment need some degree of promotion. And that involves releasing information about the film. The crux of my concern is that I'm trying to understand what about this constitutes a problematic spoiler aside from "I didn't know about this and therefore I'm going to use the term 'spoiler' to describe this piece of information I am claiming to not have wanted to know."

Would all movies benefit from knowing literally nothing about them in advance?

I would argue that knowing about Thanos has increased my anticipation of his appearance in the movie.

Of course, I've known for like, 3 months...

Sometimes foreknowledge of an event can make the wait and eventual event itself that much more enjoyable.

 

[BronsonLee]

It is something marvel's marketing promotion chose to hold from the general public.

This is not correct.

 

[BearPawB]

This is not correct.

show me a poster/commercial/happy meal toy with thanos in it.
Was josh brolin on the jimmy kimmel show with the rest of the cast?

You don't get to say "this is not true", and then not back it up

 

[bananafactory]

Thanos wasn't in any official trailer.
Sure, Brolin was at comic con, but that is hardly something everyone follows.

If it wasn't in the trailers, if it wasn't in the commercials, if he isn't on the poster. It is a spoiler. It is something marvel's marketing promotion chose to hold from the general public.

They didn't hold it back from the diehards who clamored for it. They held it back from their mass marketing.

Except for the press release used by mass news outlets

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/josh-brolin-to-play-thanos-in-marvels-guardians-of-87326949187.html

 

[BearPawB]

Except for the press release used by mass news outlets

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/josh-brolin-to-play-thanos-in-marvels-guardians-of-87326949187.html

By press release you mean the leak from Latino Review? A website that deals in spoilers?

 

[Sketchbag]

show me a poster/commercial/happy meal toy with thanos in it.
Was josh brolin on the jimmy kimmel show with the rest of the cast?

You don't get to say "this is not true", and then not back it up

Was random guard #17 on the Jimmy Kimmel show?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Have the mods abandoned us?

They all voted for Zeliard is a Doodoo Head: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=266

 

[BearPawB]

Was random guard #17 on the Jimmy Kimmel show?

if you can't see the difference, then you are just being obstinate

 

[J10]

show me a poster/commercial/happy meal toy with thanos in it.
Was josh brolin on the jimmy kimmel show with the rest of the cast?

You don't get to say "this is not true", and then not back it up

Been pointed out several times in this thread that it's literally year-old news from the mouth of the film's producer.

http://screencrush.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-thanos/

 

[bananafactory]

By press release you mean the leak from Latino Review? A website that deals in spoilers?

Fair point - not a press release. Regardless - you can't be angry at someone creating a thread on GAF when news sites like Yahoo already reported it.

Been pointed out several times in this thread that it's literally year-old news from the mouth of the film's producer.

http://screencrush.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-thanos/

^ And there you go, there's Feige talking to IGN about Thanos in GOTG.

 

[marrec]

Been pointed out several times in this thread that it's literally year-old news from the mouth of the film's producer.

http://screencrush.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-thanos/

Year old news that was then posted on NeoGAF a few months ago.

 

[Intheflorsh]

Oh come on, they announced it at SDCC in front of thousands of cameras and journalists.

It's the worst kept secret of all time.

 

[BearPawB]

Been pointed out several times in this thread that it's literally year-old news.

http://screencrush.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-thanos/

An actor accidentally saying something at a panel. and people writing about it does not count.

I am saying Marvel explicitly did not themselves advertise it.

It leaked out, a long time ago. But Marvel did not play that up.

If you saw nothing but trailers/tv promos, which a lot of people is all they did. Then you did not know this information

 

[BronsonLee]

You don't get to say "this is not true", and then not back it up

I will do exactly that and you can deal with it. I've literally explained when/where/why they officially announced Thanos was in this movie like 8 times. The onus is on you to fucking read now. This conversation has been had, and I'm not going to have it again with you because you're trying to argue spoiler semantics when you should just go see the goddamn movie.

tldr; not my damn problem, also this spoiler means nothing in the grand context of the movie because REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED IN THE REDACTED WITH THE REDACTED

 

[DarkFlow]

Hell yeah, but that's not possible.

Says the guy who posts every little crumb of info on the Avatar sequels.

 

[botty]

i never knew he was in it, therefore i've been spoiled. not that I care either way.

 

[J10]

An actor accidentally saying something at a panel. and people writing about it does not count.

I am saying Marvel explicitly did not themselves advertise it.

It leaked out, a long time ago. But Marvel did not play that up.

If you saw nothing but trailers/tv promos, which a lot of people is all they did. Then you did not know this information

I said producer. Read the article.

 

[Sketchbag]

if you can't see the difference, then you are just being obstinate

The difference in story telling? What if that guard did something funny in the background or punched Star Lord in the nuts? Thanos was in Avengers 1. Saying you're being spoiled is like saying you're spoiled Agent Smith is in Matrix Reload and Matrix Revelations.

 

[marrec]

An actor accidentally saying something at a panel. and people writing about it does not count.

I am saying Marvel explicitly did not themselves advertise it.

It leaked out, a long time ago. But Marvel did not play that up.

If you saw nothing but trailers/tv promos, which a lot of people is all they did. Then you did not know this information

It didn't leak, they talked about it openly for a long time.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=114087985#post114087985

 

[Narag]

But on the flip - you don't actually know whether or not his appearance in the film is MEANT to be a surprise. It's entirely possible the film might play out in such a manner that you absolutely know you're going to be seeing and hearing Thanos before he shows up onscreen.

Is the film itself spoiling you in that case?

This is actually how it does play out.

 

[cametall]

Just saw the movie. Thanos

Spoiler

appears in the middle of it, on screen for a few minutes

.

I don't see this as a spoiler at all really.

The credits scene was... Well it was what it was lol.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

This is actually how it does play out.

Heh.

An actor accidentally saying something at a panel. and people writing about it does not count.

Well, it's kinda hard to tell people they can't tell you that something is untrue when you reserve the right to respond in kind that their factual statements "don't count."

And that's aside from the fact you're misinterpreting the facts that are being presented to you, which (not-so) helpfully allows you to say it "doesn't count" all the more easily.

So basically - it's not a spoiler, it hasn't been a spoiler for a long time, and the movie itself doesn't present the character's appearance or presence as if it's meant to be a surprise. The movie itself, by the way you're asking people to define it, spoils you as to Thanos' appearance.

It would be ridiculous to suggest James Gunn spoiled the appearance of Thanos in his own movie, but this is the path you're going down.

 

[DarkFlow]

An actor accidentally saying something at a panel. and people writing about it does not count.

I am saying Marvel explicitly did not themselves advertise it.

It leaked out, a long time ago. But Marvel did not play that up.

If you saw nothing but trailers/tv promos, which a lot of people is all they did. Then you did not know this information

How's this one then.

http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLN...g-thanos-in-guardians-of-the-galaxy-and-more/

Does this not count either?

 

[BearPawB]

Heh.



Well, it's kinda hard to tell people they can't tell you that something is untrue when you reserve the right to respond in kind that their factual statements "don't count."

It didn't count because it didn't respond to my point

I have only ever argued, that because Thanos did not appear in a trailer/commercials, there is a plausable situation that many people did not know he is in the movie. That is all. So no, having a producer talk to IGN does not count as official Marvel promotional material that was given to the general public.Believe it or not a lot of people don't pay attention to comic con

I am not even really upset about this.
I just can't believe people are arguing that everyone knew this, when clearly, some did not. I guarantee my Dad didn't know Thanos was in this movie.

 

[Tacitus_]

This is actually how it does play out.

Now the question for the ages. Is this post a spoiler?

Spoiler

:lol

 

[DarkFlow]

It didn't count because it didn't respond to my point

I have only ever argued, that because Thanos did not appear in a trailer/commercials, there is a plausable situation that many people did not know he is in the movie. That is all. So no, having a producer talk to IGN does not count as official Marvel promotional material that was given to the general public.Believe it or not a lot of people don't pay attention to comic con

I am not even really upset about this.
I just can't believe people are arguing that everyone knew this, when clearly, some did not. I guarantee my Dad didn't know Thanos was in this movie.

Do you think your dad is going to care when he sees Thanos, or is he just going to be another character in the film to him.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It didn't count because it didn't respond to my point

I have only ever argued, that because Thanos did not appear in a trailer/commercials, there is a plausable situation that many people did not know he is in the movie. That is all.

And people are responding in kind that someone's not knowing something isn't the baseline definition of "Spoiler,"

Yes, it can (and should) be taken into account to varying degrees, but there's also a point at which the person who doesn't know whether or not they've actually been spoiled need to apply perspective to the situation, and examine the context. This thread is as large as it is because there are a lot of people who get to that point, and decline to apply perspective and context, and stall out at "But I didn't know!" as if that should count more on a discussion forum where knowing what you're talking about is maybe not as valued as it should be, but it IS definitely valued.

Yondu isn't in any trailers, either. I don't think saying his character is in the movie would be considered by anyone to be a spoiler - at least not until someone who didn't know any better decided to get publicly aggrieved at the idea that there are things they don't know about that other people DO know about and that's unfair.

If a guy goes to the trouble of looking some shit up to see if and when a piece of information is public knowledge to a certain degree (as the Thanos information absolutely was) then it's hard to say they're being completely inconsiderate. They're thinking before they post. But if you are suggesting that discussion of non-spoilers needs to be hampered and further constrained because there are people who DON'T KNOW that's a NON-SPOILER and that in itself is a SPOILER, then we're going to continue to go in circles because that's kind of ridiculous.

Again - if you're making the decision to go above and beyond when it comes to that first viewing "purity," then at some point you need to take that into account and behave accordingly, and that doesn't mean getting angry at people when they don't spoil a non-spoiler that you didn't know about. It's on you to discover whether or not you ACTUALLY got spoiled before you start complaining, not just react. Otherwise, the inconsideration and unfairness is on the part of the person who does not know what they're talking about dictating the terms of discussion for everyone else.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I just can't believe people are arguing that everyone knew this, when clearly, some did not. I guarantee my Dad didn't know Thanos was in this movie.

Well, OK. But it's not exactly clear to me why this is the end-all-be-all barometer. Not being a giant fan of the first Captain America movie, I didn't pay attention to anything surrounding the Winter Soldier. I honestly didn't know that Scarlett Johansson was going to be in it. If I happened to see a thread here called "pics of Black Widow in Winter Soldier," do I get to complain about being spoiled? Or is my complain null and void because she was probably in trailers I never watched?

Anyway, firstly, I'm not sure I understand why the cutoff for "what most people should/will know" is automatically just trailers and posters. Secondly, I'm still not sure that I understand why knowing something about a movie before seeing it that wasn't shown in a trailer automatically constitutes a "spoiler" that is necessarily detrimental to enjoying the film.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Do you think your dad is going to care when he sees Thanos, or is he just going to be another character in the film to him.

My dad was a fan of The Ultimates comic and was blown away by Iron Man's post credit scene though. We had a moment when we saw that and it was great

If that got spoiled for him, it would've lessened the impact. Isn't that right, DarkFlow

 

[DarkFlow]

Ronan and Nebula are shown in the trailers for like 2 secs total, with zero context to what or who they are. Yet I don't see people losing there shit if I told you they were the villains.

My dad was a fan of The Ultimates comic and was blown away by Iron Man's post credit scene though. We had a moment when we saw that and it was great

If that got spoiled for him, it would've lessened the impact. Isn't that right, DarkFlow

Well if he read the comics, he would know Thanos is kinda the main bad guy of cosmic marvel, and therefor would not be impacted, Spring-Loaded. Plussss he already saw him in avengers, he's not a new character now, you know he exists in the MCU.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Says the guy who posts every little crumb of info on the Avatar sequels.

And? I know all movies would be better going into blind. It doesn't mean I'm never going to watch a trailer. What's your point? I can express an opinion that one's health would be better without coffee whilst still be a coffee drinker myself.

 

[Mariolee]

And? I know all movies would be better going into blind. It doesn't mean I'm never going to watch a trailer. What's your point? I can express an opinion that one's health would be better without coffee whilst still be a coffee drinker myself.

It just degrades your advice considering that apparently it isn't good enough for even you yourself to follow. There's a reason no one listens to hypocrites.

 

[enzo_gt]

My issue with this thread isn't that Thanos is in the film, I mean, duh, if you've been following anything MCU in the past few years. It's that I clicked on the thread title at the time and got a cell phone screencap of a movie I wanted to walk into fresh and see Thanos in the context of the film, which probably would have had some buildup to it.