So now that the dust has settled a bit - Dark Souls 1 or 2, which is better?
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Mauricio_Magus
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Dark Souls 1
FrenchMovieTheme
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dark souls 2
Tidus_Great
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demons >> dark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dark 2
BennyBlanco
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dark souls 1, by a huge margin
SolsticeZero
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Yep.
Ambition
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Correct!
I have the "Platinum Trophy" for both, and "Dark Souls 1" is by FAR the superior game. Although "Dark Souls 2" does have some great improvements over it's predecessor, i.e. menu options/organization, and other small touches.
That atmosphere/art direction and world continuity in "Dark Souls 1" can't be touched.
That atmosphere/art direction and world continuity in "Dark Souls 1" can't be touched.
Astral/H3X
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Most of 2's faults essentially exist because 1 exists, IMO. 1 had more impact, but I think I enjoy 2 more, Soul Memory aside.
SargerusBR
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Dark >> Dark 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demons
SimulatedHoward
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I'm really liking Dark Souls 2 so far, but I don't know if it's just because I am playing a different class than I played in Dark Souls that was better suited for me, or because I like the game itself better.
TelluricTokoro
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Dark Souls for PvE, lore, music etc
Dark Souls 2 for PvP, co-op, basically all multiplayer functions.
Dark Souls 2 for PvP, co-op, basically all multiplayer functions.
Poimandres
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Almost everyone will say Dark Souls 1. It's just a more memorable game at the end of the day.
You will have a good time with both, but I think coming from Demon's you will find Dark 1 a more unique experience. Dark 2 bought some things back closer to Demon's so I would definitely go with Dark 1.
You will have a good time with both, but I think coming from Demon's you will find Dark 1 a more unique experience. Dark 2 bought some things back closer to Demon's so I would definitely go with Dark 1.
RustyNails
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Great Evil Is Vanquished.
StrangeTaco
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Dark Souls Uno
(Though I'll probably play more of Dark Souls 2 since it's netplay isn't horrendous)
(Though I'll probably play more of Dark Souls 2 since it's netplay isn't horrendous)
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Only thing Dark 2 does better is multiplayer, which to be fair is a huge improvement. Dark 1 is just a near perfect game IMO. Demon's doesn't even belong in this conversation since OP already played it.
Dark Souls 1 is better imo but just by a bit. Dark Souls 2 is way better in all the technical aspects (framerate, multiplayer, graphical options). I also like the fact that FROM made exotic weapons more viable in the sequels (you can even do good damage with greatshields!). I also liked the fact that NG+ changed things up a bit. I enjoyed the fact that NPC invaders are actually threatening in DS2 too, they were complete pushovers in the first game.
However, I do prefer the way dodging worked in the first one, and the first game's best bosses (especially the DLC ones) are better than the second game's. I also preferred the fact that you could run past pretty much anything in the first game, whereas the second game has sections where you can't really avoid fighting enemies, which can get grating on repeated playthroughs. The second game also has some enemies that attack fast and have very high poise (like the DLC's Drakeblood knights) and/or fucked up hitboxes and those can get quite annoying to fight.
However, I do prefer the way dodging worked in the first one, and the first game's best bosses (especially the DLC ones) are better than the second game's. I also preferred the fact that you could run past pretty much anything in the first game, whereas the second game has sections where you can't really avoid fighting enemies, which can get grating on repeated playthroughs. The second game also has some enemies that attack fast and have very high poise (like the DLC's Drakeblood knights) and/or fucked up hitboxes and those can get quite annoying to fight.
Dark Souls 1 by a reasonable margin, in my opinion. Although I think Dark Souls 1 falls pretty far from the "always completely fair and perfect" mantra some fans throw out constantly, it's a really good, well-designed game. The Artorias fight is the most well crafted part of the entire Souls series and highlights the best of the game.
Dark Souls 2 was plagued by a number of things that just made the game feel much cheaper and annoying compared with 1. Souls 2 had wonky hitboxes, broken enemies, and replaced quality and quantity. For example, the Artorias fight, if designed by the way of Souls 2, would have been a clunkier fight with Artorias flanked by a half a dozen minor enemies. Souls is at its best in well-designed one on one fights, not shit like the Royal Rat Authority. Souls 2 just throws a bunch of enemies at you and assumes that's just as good. The vaccuum hippos and infinite stamina mace drakekeeper knights are just shitty game design.
Dark Souls 2 was plagued by a number of things that just made the game feel much cheaper and annoying compared with 1. Souls 2 had wonky hitboxes, broken enemies, and replaced quality and quantity. For example, the Artorias fight, if designed by the way of Souls 2, would have been a clunkier fight with Artorias flanked by a half a dozen minor enemies. Souls is at its best in well-designed one on one fights, not shit like the Royal Rat Authority. Souls 2 just throws a bunch of enemies at you and assumes that's just as good. The vaccuum hippos and infinite stamina mace drakekeeper knights are just shitty game design.
Giolon
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I far prefer Dark Souls 2. The difficulty curve feels a lot smoother. There is more spell variety. None of it feels like a chore. Going back to the server-based architecture means multiplayer actually works reliably.
I don't mind the lack of Metroid-vania structure, since I preferred Demon's Souls hub-based design over Dark Souls anyway.
I don't mind the lack of Metroid-vania structure, since I preferred Demon's Souls hub-based design over Dark Souls anyway.
Yoshichan
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Dark Souls 2, by a fat fucking margin
+ Gameplay is more precise
+ The game is solid from beginning to end
+ 60fps
+ Better graphics
+ PvP (I've played ~500 matches in DkS2 and consider it really good compared to the lag-fest that was DkS1)
- Worse map design (<50% of DkS1 is genius)
- Worse bosses
+ Gameplay is more precise
+ The game is solid from beginning to end
+ 60fps
+ Better graphics
+ PvP (I've played ~500 matches in DkS2 and consider it really good compared to the lag-fest that was DkS1)
- Worse map design (<50% of DkS1 is genius)
- Worse bosses
bobawesome
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Yes. I know opinions and everything but I find it extremely hard to understand how anyone can legitimately think Demon's Souls is a better game than Dark Souls.
That said, I still prefer the original Dark Souls to its sequel by a fair amount.
Punished_Snake
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Correct sir. Demons was a good start for the franchise, but it lacks in many areas compared to its spiritual successor and its sequel.
Better bosses, better atmosphere, less of a drop off in quality towards the end, better NPCs, faster, and there is something to be said for playing it first.
Dark Souls 1 has higher highs but lower lows. Dark Souls 2 has some tightened mechanics and is mostly consistent, but never soars like its older brothers. Demon's Souls has the best level design but as the first in line had to carve out a niche a little rougher. I rate them all 10 out 10.
I'm replaying DeS right now for the first time when I first beat it years ago, and I don't see what is so hard about it. It is faster, more intuitive (except lol tendency, don't even fuck with that this time around), and the fact the levels aren't tied into an "open world" means there's more of those "aha!" ladder moments and shortcuts that feel oh so satisfying. While I don't prefer any of them, I totally understand those who would like any one of them over the other.
I'm replaying DeS right now for the first time when I first beat it years ago, and I don't see what is so hard about it. It is faster, more intuitive (except lol tendency, don't even fuck with that this time around), and the fact the levels aren't tied into an "open world" means there's more of those "aha!" ladder moments and shortcuts that feel oh so satisfying. While I don't prefer any of them, I totally understand those who would like any one of them over the other.
You are fucking high. The hitboxes in Dark Souls II alone make it a much less precise game.
For PC, Dark Souls 2 purely because of its more thought out port qualities. While using Durante's fix is great, you can still enjoy the game without modding it unlike the original which needs a fair ton of fixes to even form a proper game.
Both have their own pros and cons, be it environments, enemies or weapons, but both are definitely enjoyable with DS2 fixing a number of problems from DS1.
Both have their own pros and cons, be it environments, enemies or weapons, but both are definitely enjoyable with DS2 fixing a number of problems from DS1.