Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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BPoole

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What do you think is missing here? Do you think the black kid had to have done something to get shot otherwise this makes no sense?
There had to have been something. Cops don't just roll up on people, blow some holes in them, and roll out.

I'm not saying he did something that was necessarily worthy of being shot, but he had to have done something during the encounter to trigger lethal force
 

aeolist

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lol at mandatory cameras

most PDs in america don't even require video or audio recording of police interrogations, much less patrolmen and women as they're out and about
 

Enzom21

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There had to have been something. Cops don't just roll up on people, blow some holes in them, and roll out.

I'm not saying he did something that was necessarily worthy of being shot, but he had to have done something during the encounter to trigger lethal force

If he was unarmed as reports have stated, then there is absolutely nothing he could have done to have been shot 10 fucking times... nothing.
 

Camp Lo

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You're not not right. Maybe emotion and history are getting the better of most of us, but that it's become (and likely has always been) so endemic, that it's the first conclusion we jump to until further evidence convinces us otherwise.

Well said.
 
If he was unarmed as reports have stated, then there is absolutely nothing he could have done to have been shot 10 fucking times... nothing.

I could think of a few things, such as pretending to hold up his friend with a fake gun in his pocket, or pretending to brandish something inside his pants and telling the police he better mind his own manners. Something dumb like that would give the police authorization to use legal deadly force.
 

diamount

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Police need to be mandated to wear google glass or something so we can figure out WTF they are doing in situations like this.

What the hell is that going to do? How many times has there been clear cut footage of police just outright murdering people with no consequence?
 
You're not not right. Maybe emotion and history are getting the better of most of us, but that it's become (and likely has always been) so endemic, that it's the first conclusion we jump to until further evidence convinces us otherwise.

I mean, I get it, I just hate when people immediately try to make something a race issue or blame corrupt cops when those things could have nothing to do with this situation. For example, lets assume this cop is guilty - maybe they were a rookie and it comes down to inadequate training. Certain emotional responses can take away from meaningful discussions in the long run.
 

BPoole

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If he was unarmed as reports have stated, then there is absolutely nothing he could have done to have been shot 10 fucking times... nothing.
That's what I meant by what he did didn't warrant getting shot, but there had to have been something to escalate the situation
 
I mean, I get it, I just hate when people immediately try to make something a race issue or blame corrupt cops when those things could have nothing to do with this situation. For example, lets assume this cop is guilty - maybe they were a rookie and it comes down to inadequate training. Certain emotional responses can take away from meaningful discussions in the long run.

...and maybe a black target riled up those emotions.
 

Azure J

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I saw my Twitter feed explode and without knowledge checked it all at once only to be bombarded with pictures of the scene.

This kid was murdered.

I'm increasingly starting to worry about the reality that any member of my family or myself could be doing nothing and get killed because.

Also a hearty LOL at media already starting the "man" spin when reporting the case.
 
Ooooh, yes please. We legal graduates need more jobs.
Probably wouldn't require a whole lot (basically just to police the police...), but sure! We can throw you a bone!

There had to have been something. Cops don't just roll up on people, blow some holes in them, and roll out.

I'm not saying he did something that was necessarily worthy of being shot, but he had to have done something during the encounter to trigger lethal force
... uh, he was unarmed. Cops apparently do what you suggested they don't, since that's exactly what happened.
 

Valnen

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How would it help solve matters? What's stopping the cop just smashing it and saying it got damaged in the perp resisting arrest?

It'd be pretty easy to see if a cop intentionally destroyed it, at which point you fire them and assume the worst in the investigation.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
There had to have been something. Cops don't just roll up on people, blow some holes in them, and roll out.

I'm not saying he did something that was necessarily worthy of being shot, but he had to have done something during the encounter to trigger lethal force

Have you seriously never heard of a cop just killing someone for no reason? It happened in my home town. A cop pulled over a woman and strangled her to death.
 

Camp Lo

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Damn the photo of his pops...

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blakep267

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Have you seriously never heard of a cop just killing someone for no real reason? It happened in my home town. A cop pulled over a woman and strangled her to death.

The thing that people don't realize is that cops are normal flawed people. They aren't some righteous and just force. So there could very well be no reason at all for him killing somebody
 

rtcn63

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I mean, I get it, I just hate when people immediately try to make something a race issue or blame corrupt cops when those things could have nothing to do with this situation. For example, lets assume this cop is guilty - maybe they were a rookie and it comes down to inadequate training. Certain emotional responses can take away from meaningful discussions in the long run.

I actually hope you're more right than not. That race or anything of its ilk had nothing do with it. That we'll wake up tomorrow and won't have yet another reason to distrust the people and society meant to protect us.
 

aeolist

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I mean, I get it, I just hate when people immediately try to make something a race issue or blame corrupt cops when those things could have nothing to do with this situation. For example, lets assume this cop is guilty - maybe they were a rookie and it comes down to inadequate training. Certain emotional responses can take away from meaningful discussions in the long run.
i might agree with you if i could remember the last time something like this happened to a white person
 
Ugh any life loss ever is such a tragedy. Is there an article with a reason why 10 rounds were supposedly fired??

Were ten rounds fired or did the person get hit 10 times?

I don't know anything about law enforcement training, but if you're in a situation where you are shooting somebody, you want to make sure the threat is neutralized. Like somebody said earlier, cops are flawed people just like the rest of us; most cops are never going to fire a shot at a person. When that happens, I am sure they panic, miss, etc. Training will only take you so far.
 

Shaanyboi

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Is it just me or are you guys just looking to broadcast the line on your bumper sticker without any idea what actually happened here? I can't find a single article that discusses why shots were fired, so how the fuck could you already know that it was unjustified, that it's time for revolution, or whatever?

An unarmed teen stole some candy. You think that justifies opening fire?
 

turtle553

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Sounds pretty bad, but I'll wait until more details get released before seeing how outrageous it was. Twitter is not the best news source and this only happened a few hours ago.
 

RedStep

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Yeah it's not like there have been any recent killings by police of unarmed citizens, why in the world would people be upset about something as rare as this

I think the fact that details seem so hard to come by makes it all the more suspicious.

Because we live in a world where it's not particularly uncommon for people of color- specifically blacks- to be hassled/arrested/murdered for absolutely no justifiable reason?

I don't think we can pretend that we are enlightened and make no assumptions on one side (when we think somebody that "fits the profile" is innocent) and jump to the conclusion that suits our agenda (when we think somebody that "fits the profile" is guilty) on the other.

I don't know how you can't be chilled to see that we are becoming another group with no information but plenty of pitchforks. All of those groups through history think they're right, they rarely actually are. I think we're better than that.

An unarmed teen stole some candy. You think that justifies opening fire?

How do you take "we don't know what happened" and turn that into me assuming that it was justified? I have no idea what happened between the police contacting this guy and him being dead, none of us do. I absolutely do not assume it was justified.
 
i might agree with you if i could remember the last time something like this happened to a white person

I am sure you could find find examples of this happening to a white person if you looked. However, I think that there is more media coverage when a racial element can be reported on even if racism isn't a factor in the particular situation. That is the world that we live in.
 

Darksol

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When I was in Police Foundations I was taught never to raise my gun unless my life was threatened or the life of somebody else was in immediate danger. I was never instructed to draw on an unarmed man, yet alone an unarmed kid, especially for petty theft.

Of course, this was in Canada, so maybe it's different, but I'm finding it hard to justify any possible scenario where you can draw on an unarmed civillian.

America bums me out sometimes.
 

Camp Lo

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When I was in Police Foundations I was taught never to raise my gun unless my life was threatened or the life of somebody else was in immediate danger. I was never instructed to draw on an unarmed man, yet alone an unarmed kid, especially for petty theft.

Of course, this was in Canada, so maybe it's different, but I'm finding it hard to justify any possible scenario where you can draw on an unarmed civillian.

America bums me out sometimes.

You and me both. :/
 

aeolist

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I am sure you could find find examples of this happening to a white person if you looked. However, I think that there is more media coverage when a racial element can be reported on even if racism isn't a factor in the particular situation. That is the world that we live in.
is this a joke? black people are murdered by cops daily and it doesn't make the news, even the few stories covering this incident are calling peaceful protests mobs

when this happens to a white person it's a tragic article on the front of every news network's site
 

rtcn63

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However, I think that there is more media coverage when a racial element can be reported on even if racism isn't a factor in the particular situation. That is the world that we live in.

I'm not sure if you and the rest of us are living in the same world.
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
see, this is why we don't want armed coppers in our country. This shit is just too fucking impossible to fathom
 
is this a joke? black people are murdered by cops daily and it doesn't make the news, even the few stories covering this incident are calling peaceful protests mobs

when this happens to a white person it's a tragic article on the front of every news network's site

I'm not sure if you and the rest of us are living in the same world.

How many people are killed every day? Which stories get national/worldwide coverage? We live in a society where racism exists and it is an extremely emotional topic; do you really think the media won't use this to their benefit?
 

Camp Lo

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How many people are killed every day? Which stories get national/worldwide coverage? We live in a society where racism exists and it is an extremely emotional topic; do you really think the media won't use this to their benefit?

That's funny because I've been waiting for this story to get some national coverage but nothing beyond twitter and blogs as of this posting.

new laws enacted to legalizing candy theft

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rtcn63

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How many people are killed every day? Which stories get national/worldwide coverage? We live in a society where racism exists and it is an extremely emotional topic; do you really think the media won't use this to their benefit?

So if a white teenager was believed to have been gunned down by police for stealing candy, you don't think it would receive a similar level of media coverage? My boy, in the span of the information going viral, the officers would already have lost their badges, new laws enacted to legalize minor candy theft, and a grand memorial dedicated to his memory would have been inked and stamped two days prior.
 
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