Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Bradlums

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Omegasquash said:
Until you get it, sure, why not.
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K well if we're just shitposting at this point I'll just quote myself in regards to manky's last post which still goes unanswered

>Your sarcasm is just too much for my feeble, racist brain to comprehend so I'll just ask you a simple yes or no question. Do you think these people were justified in looting and vandalizing?
 
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user8503492

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Well the right-wing news sources comments went from..

"Cops are Obama's Gestapo!"
and..
"Well he reached for the gun"

To now after the looting...

"Look theyre chimping out"
And terms like ; Animals, uncivilized, savages etc..


I cant understand how people like Glenn Beck can be ok with his viewers/listeners acting like this...how can he not step back and say "What kinda of people am I gathering as fans?"
 
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kame-sennin

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Sea Manky said:
Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.
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God damn...
 
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Steve Youngblood

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Bradlums said:
K well if we're just shitposting at this point I'll just quote myself in regards to manky's last post which still goes unanswered

>Your sarcasm is just too much for my feeble, racist brain to comprehend so I'll just ask you a simple yes or no question. Do you think these people were justified in looting and vandalizing?
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My main issue is that I often find focusing on reactions like looting and/or rioting to be distractions more than anything else. Obviously, it's unfortunate when such instances occur. But whether we empathize with people doing such acts and assume that there might be some deep-seeded issues that account for why this is occurring or we chalk it up as the acts of opportunistic miscreants, I dislike that becoming the focus of the discussion. Obviously, riots occurring become part of the story. It's impossible to ignore that there are racial tensions in the area right now. But at the same time, I don't like it when it's regarded as some sort of official statement sanctioned by all black people in response to the police shooting.
 
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Battersea Power Station

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Bradlums said:
get over myself? why? people are looting and vandalizing and I need to get over myself? I ask you why
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Because you're trying to apply logic to a situation where people are so psychologically claustrophobic that they're reacting with what amounts to insanity. Their reaction is irrational, but completely understandable, considering their life experiences and those in their peer group.
 
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Renzoku

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Sea Manky said:
Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.
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Regarding your first paragraph:

All the looting accomplished was to increase police scrutiny in the area, destroy community property, and (unfairly) erode sympathy for the victim by shifting focus to these crimes. That laundry list of rage and anger at institutionalized racism seems to have culminated in the raid of a Quicktrip.

I would assume that a violent response would have been pointed at the police station, which did come later in the evening, but many people seemed to just jump on the opportunity to grab some cigarettes, liquor, and...rims. I understand that it wasn't just one group of people protesting that all turned into looters, but the community as a whole has suffered due to the behavior of some of these individuals, and I guess I just wish they would have had better sense than to add fuel to the fire.

Kudos to the family for denouncing the violence and looting. I hope they can have some more peaceful protests without things going to shit again.
 
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BHZ Mayor

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Omegasquash said:
Until you get it, sure, why not.
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He's never gonna get it though. He's not going to even try to get it. He's going to keep bringing up the rioting in order to continue underming the 400+ years long war on minorities. You know this. I know this. Everyone reading this thread knows this. And we all know why as well.
But to some people that's considered an insult or a personal attack. So I'll just leave it at that.
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Edit: Case in point, Steve Youngblood hit the nail on the head.
 
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otapnam

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Steve Youngblood said:
My main issue is that I often find focusing on reactions like looting and/or rioting to be distractions more than anything else. Obviously, it's unfortunate when such instances occur. But whether we empathize with people doing such acts and assume that there might be some deep-seeded issues that account for why this is occurring or we chalk it up as the acts of opportunistic miscreants, I dislike that becoming the focus of the discussion. Obviously, riots occurring become part of the story. It's impossible to ignore that there are racial tensions in the area right now. But at the same time, I don't like it when it's regarded as some sort of official statement sanctioned by all black people in response to the police shooting.
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The problem is, looting seems to happen frequently at these protests and that unfortunately serves to reinforce the stereotype.
 
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Bradlums

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Steve Youngblood said:
My main issue is that I often find focusing on reactions like looting and/or rioting to be distractions more than anything else. Obviously, it's unfortunate when such instances occur. But whether we empathize with people doing such acts and assume that there might be some deep-seeded issues that account for why this is occurring or we chalk it up as the acts of opportunistic miscreants, I dislike that becoming the focus of the discussion. Obviously, riots occurring become part of the story. It's impossible to ignore that there are racial tensions in the area right now. But at the same time, I don't like it when it's regarded as some sort of official statement sanctioned by all black people in response to the police shooting.
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Honestly I see both the initial confrontation and the ensuing riots as being equally news worthy, but if the mods decide for this thread to be solely about the confrontation then so be it. Though, this story is not as black and white (bu dum ksh) as these posters truly believe it is
 
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Jaeger

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BHZ Mayor said:
He's never gonna get it though. He's not going to even try to get it. He's going to keep bringing up the rioting in order to continue underming the 400+ years long war on minorities. You know this. I know this. Everyone reading this thread knows this. And we all know why as well.
But to some people that's considered an insult or a personal attack. So I'll just leave it at that.
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Edit: Case in point, Steve Youngblood hit the nail on the head.
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Yep.
 
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Bradlums

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Battersea Power Station said:
Because you're trying to apply logic to a situation where people are so psychologically claustrophobic that they're reacting with what amounts to insanity. Their reaction is irrational, but completely understandable, considering their life experiences and those in their peer group.
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Hmm well I guess we can agree on that
 
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Bradlums

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BHZ Mayor said:
He's never gonna get it though. He's not going to even try to get it. He's going to keep bringing up the rioting in order to continue underming the 400+ years long war on minorities. You know this. I know this. Everyone reading this thread knows this. And we all know why as well.
But to some people that's considered an insult or a personal attack. So I'll just leave it at that.
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Edit: Case in point, Steve Youngblood hit the nail on the head.
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I've taken a fuckin sociology class, I understand systematic oppression and it is truly tragic. Where my opinion differs from yours though, is that I don't think looting is justified. Their reactions are irrational, but Battersea Power Station makes a legitimate point. Isn't it nice when people use logic instead of biting sarcasm to get a point across?
 
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commedieu

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Bradlums said:
I've taken a fuckin sociology class, I understand systematic oppression and it is truly tragic. Where my opinion differs from yours though, is that I don't think looting is justified. Their reactions are irrational, but Battersea Power Station makes a legitimate point. Isn't it nice when people use logic instead of biting sarcasm to get a point across?
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The fact that you're reading all of what everyone is posting as "Justifying looting" is telling. This isn't true, at all.
 
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andycapps

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Battersea Power Station said:
Because you're trying to apply logic to a situation where people are so psychologically claustrophobic that they're reacting with what amounts to insanity. Their reaction is irrational, but completely understandable, considering their life experiences and those in their peer group.
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Exactly. It's hard for me to judge people "acting out" by looting when the level of frustration that they're dealing with boils over. They don't know what else to do.
 
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captmcblack

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Sea Manky said:
Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.
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Excellent post.
 
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Gordon Shumway

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Bradlums said:
I've taken a fuckin sociology class, I understand systematic oppression and it is truly tragic. Where my opinion differs from yours though, is that I don't think looting is justified. Their reactions are irrational, but Battersea Power Station makes a legitimate point. Isn't it nice when people use logic instead of biting sarcasm to get a point across?
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Bradlums said:
the white guilt is palpable in this thread.
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This is how we started the morning..please understand.
 
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Protein

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God damn it, the comments on my local news pages are making me physically ill. Some calling for segregation. What the fuck is wrong with people?
 
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Bradlums

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BHZ Mayor said:
Also, the fact that he insists on trying to laser focus this thread on the riots says it all.
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I'm not laser focusing anything, I've discussed what I felt compelled to discuss regarding the initial confrontation. The man was unjustly murdered, I agree. Where my opinion is different from the majority in this thread are the attitudes regarding the looting, which is why I'm still discussing it
 
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Bradlums

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Gordon Shumway said:
This is how we started the morning..please understand.
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I see the merits of Battersea's points, he put it quite well. But at the same time, people should not be outraged when law enforcement take action against said rioting. People start stealing and burning shit, yea shit's gonna go down

in other words, there is STILL a lot of misplaced white quilt in this thread
 
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BFIB

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Protein said:
God damn it, the comments on my local news pages are making me physically ill. Some calling for segregation. What the fuck is wrong with people?
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That area of Ferguson is already segregated for the most part. Shouldn't they be happy?
 
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marrec

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Gordon Shumway said:
I think the problem is folks don't want to hear that..
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Like Steve said, it's a convenient way for people to distract themselves from the very real issue that lead up to this kid getting killed.

People are like "Whew, a bunch of black people are rioting now, I thought we were going to have to talk about why some kid got murdered by a cop again." It's stupid that they did it but you can easily empathize with their feelings of hopelessness and condemnation that led to them rioting in the first place.

What people should be focusing on is this kid that got shot in the back.
 
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EscoBlades

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Sea Manky said:
Tut-tut. Look at these foolish black people rioting. They take a flimsy excuse like spending their entire lives being treated as second class citizens, being persecuted on a daily basis by security and police, being redlined out of prospering neighborhoods, being cheated out of a decent education, being unable to get decent jobs because of racism, being incarcerated an order of magnitude more often than other groups, and being continually portrayed as ugly and threatening in every corner of mass media, and just because of that decide to lose their shit. Just because blacks have learned over a lifetime that the rules the rest of society benefit from don't apply to them, and that regardless of whether they attempt to follow those rules or not they'll still be treated unfairly and will never be given an honest chance, they can't just explode in rage and break them! They have to respect the system that has been overwhelmingly rigged against them for over 200 years. They have to keep eating the shit plate they've been served and express any dissatisfaction with it in a nice non-threatening calm way that's acceptable to the upstanding white society whose acceptance they have yet to earn. If they let a never ending lifetime of enduring insult after insult and injury after injury provoke them into sudden outbursts of anger, they'll never convince the rest of us that they deserve to stop being insulted and injured. Riot and ruin those already ruined and economically suppressed places they can't afford transportation out of? They're clearly just doing it to themselves.

When are black people finally going to take responsibility for being persecuted and properly react to that persecution in an approved fashion? America's been benevolently waiting so long for them to get their necks out from under our boots, but without jostling us in the process, of course. I guess they'll just stay where we forced them to be until they wise up. The ball is in their court.

Now let's spend more pages focusing on pictures of individual rioters with sagging pants, since that's a far more serious issue than the sanctioned systemic murder and incarceration of young black men. Tut-tut.
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Swish.
 
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andycapps

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Bradlums said:
I see the merits of Battersea's points, he put it quite well. But at the same time, people should not be outraged when law enforcement take action against said rioting. People start stealing and burning shit, yea shit's gonna go down

in other words, there is STILL a lot of misplaced white quilt in this thread
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It's possible to be white, understand that rioting/looting is wrong, understand there are consequences for rioting/looting, but to understand why those doing so are doing it and empathize with them. That's not white guilt.
 
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Camp Lo

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Gordon Shumway said:
I think the problem is folks don't want to hear that..

Who is outraged at the police dealing with the rioters? You mind quoting some of those post? I missed them.
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With the rioters? I haven't seen any of that, at least not on here. Only the "why is rioting the answer" type responses.
 
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Jaeger

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andycapps said:
It's possible to be white, understand that rioting/looting is wrong, understand there are consequences for rioting/looting, but to understand why those doing so are doing it and empathize with them. That's not white guilt.
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That's impossible. You mean human brains are capable of intelligence at this level?
 
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Omegasquash

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Bradlums said:
K well if we're just shitposting at this point I'll just quote myself in regards to manky's last post which still goes unanswered

>Your sarcasm is just too much for my feeble, racist brain to comprehend so I'll just ask you a simple yes or no question. Do you think these people were justified in looting and vandalizing?
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It's funny, because I was responding to what I thought was a shitpost. That said, a kid got murdered by a system that isn't supposed to do that shit and, SURPRISE, it was another young black man. People don't have a right to loot, and no one is saying that they do, but people are angry and I can't really say I blame anyone for that.
 
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Bradlums

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andycapps said:
It's possible to be white, understand that rioting/looting is wrong, understand there are consequences for rioting/looting, but to understand why those doing so are doing it and empathize with them. That's not white guilt.
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you are correct. the people approaching said problem with said approach are not guilty of white guilt. that does not encompass everyone in this thread though. some people here are not only saying it's reflexive to riot, but that people SHOULD be looting and fucking shit up in general to just stir the pot. because white america has had it coming for so long
 
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