jhmtehgamr20xx
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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds
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It's most definitely about the looting rather than the murder, and that is one of the most depressing things about all of this.
There was only like two pieces of graffiti that I could spot that were actually about Mike. One was "RIP Mike," another was "AVENGE MIKE!" If you want to count it, there were a lot of "fuck the police" variants, though.
WaffleTaco
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So what is exactly going on? I read the article in the OP, but it didn't say why he was shot? And now snitches get stitches? I am sorry what?
.I think somebody photoshopped that image, and poorly. Here's that very same story: http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08...n-had-struggled-with-officer-before-shooting/
If you look at the picture here, it appears as if the picture of Michael Brown is overlaid the picture that is actually used in the article. Look at the border of the picture:
It's very clearly this picture in the background:
Not to sound overly misanthropic and pessimistic, but this shit has been going on for so long from what I've read and the same scenario with protesting and rioting and looting also happens, but it never ever results in any change, except maybe more fear and panic across White America who don't understand the situation and the historical contingencies surrounding it.
Cf.
If this has happened in the last 30 years, why would this make a change? How can this particular tragedy get through the thick skulls of privileged White people and their passive racism?
Cf.
- 1980: Miami Riot 1980 - following the acquittal of four Miami-Dade Police officers in the death of Arthur McDuffie. McDuffie, an African-American, died from injuries sustained at the hands of four white officers trying to arrest him after a high-speed chase.
- 1991: Crown Heights Riot - May - between African Americans and the area's large Hasidic Jewish community, over the accidental killing of a Guyanese immigrant child by an Orthodox Jewish motorist. In its wake, several Jews were seriously injured; one Orthodox Jewish man, Yankel Rosenbaum, was killed; and a non-Jewish man, allegedly mistaken by rioters for a Jew, was killed by a group of African-American men.
- 1991: Overtown, Miami - In the heavily Black section against Cuban Americans, like earlier riots there in 1982 and 1984.
- 1992: 1992 Los Angeles riots - April 29 to May 5 - a series of riots, lootings, arsons and civil disturbance that occurred in Los Angeles County, California in 1992, following the acquittal of police officers on trial regarding the assault of Rodney King.
- 1992: Harlem, Manhattan in New York City - July - involved Blacks and Puerto Ricans against the New York Police Department, around the time of the 1992 Democratic National Convention being held there.
- 1995: St. Petersburg, Florida riot of 1996, caused by protests against racial profiling and police brutality.
- 2001: 2001 Cincinnati Riots - April - in the African-American section of Over-the-Rhine.
- 2005: Toledo, Ohio - Neo-Nazis and white supremacists marched in North Park, a mostly African-American section of town.
- 2009: Oakland CA, Oscar Grant Murder Riots.
If this has happened in the last 30 years, why would this make a change? How can this particular tragedy get through the thick skulls of privileged White people and their passive racism?
Police are such brutes, everyone I talk to do not trust police period, all ages and races. The few brought that bad image on all of the police for all of NA
Edit: Fox news racist? What else is new, no one watch their shows other than 24 before they learn white people are the same as on any other race, not our saviors.
Edit: Fox news racist? What else is new, no one watch their shows other than 24 before they learn white people are the same as on any other race, not our saviors.
Pretty off to characterize the LA riots as "not making a change". I'm less familiar with most of these.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Thanks mre. It's definitely shopped.
LAUGHTREY
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This isn't rhetorical: I really don't know what changed after the LA riots, which were arguably a pretty big deal since the goddamn military had to be called in to stop them.
I don't know, specifically, if there was any legislature or actual law-change in direct regards to Rodney Kings incident.
If there were any effects, it seems to me they were in the wrong direction. When Chris Dorner went on a cop-killing spree last year, the cops reacted by shooting at pedestrians a few times, and then burning the cabin he was in to the ground instead of just waiting him out.
I don't know how anyone can look at how they handled Chris Dorner and say they didn't take the law into their own hands.
It's also been the feeling that the LAPD haven't really gotten to a better standard, to me anyway, after both incidents.
No problem, man.
He's black. That's why he was shot.
Snitches get stitches is referring to not ratting out the looters.
The changes to LAPD happened after the Rampart scandal not because of the Rodney King riots.
WaffleTaco
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Ok, without sounding insensitive, that does not make any sense. Everything has a reason. Was the cop racist? And rat out looters? Why would they loot?
Good. I hope the rioters face justice. Victimizing innocent people is not okay, no matter how outraged you are.
Black people are generally seen as criminals. It takes significantly less for "reasonable suspicion" to be raised against a black person. Frankly, this would not have happened to a white kid. Period.
You need to go through and read the damn thread before hopping in with questions.
Holy shit. I'd like irony for a thousand, Alex.
Or because he assaulted an officer while struggling over the officer's gun.
Yes, continue with this wholly unsubstantiated and unrealistic theory that whites and blacks are treated the same.
The presumption is that the cop was racist/profiled the boy/used excessive and undue force. There's a long and troubled history when it comes to the police dealing with black youths (remnants of the ugly history regarding the treatment of blacks in GENERAL). Which is why the FBI is now involved.
The looting is a related, but essentially separate incident. It STEMMED from anger and outrage at the boy's death. The looters were simply taking advantage of an already volatile situation. Tensions were already about to boil over (after protesters were provoked by police) and some individuals saw it as an opportunity to break into some stores.
And the looters, who are only concerned with themselves, are warning anyone who might be thinking about giving any relevant information to the police.
That was random.
Nope. White kid wouldn't have been stopped, wouldn't have been shot, wouldn't have been left in the street for his body to rot.
elrechazado
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Are you saying that rioting and harming other innocents is ok? Because that seems to be the case from your response.
I keep hearing this "rot" word. How long was he left in the street?
I'll take lack of reading comprehension for a thousand, Alex.
At least five fucking hours.
ReplacementPelican
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Under what circumstances are white people shot by police in America? I rarely hear of it happening.
Also, how often is a black man justified by many people, if not treated as a hero, for killing a white teenager? Something similar to George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. When white teenagers get killed does the media try to paint them as thugs? Point out the amount of white people that have, God forbid, smoked weed? Or how white kids look threatening wearing hooded tops?
Does this ever, has it ever, happened?
elrechazado
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Are you just being a flippant ass or are we having a conversation? Your response to a perfectly reasonable point about additional violence against innocents is quite bizarre and immature. Don't pretend you were misunderstood.
That seems excessive.
Using emotion and personal conjecture isn't by any means credence for a viable discussion.
Here in Chicago bodies regardless of race lie for about 5 hours too depending how busy evidence technicians are at other scenes and how much work detectives have to do.
When someone is dead, the body stays where it fell and detectives and crime scene technicians have to do their work. Once they are done, the crime scene is cleared and the body is moved.
elrechazado
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Anecdotally, but it would probably be bourn out by stats, black kids are shot at a much much higher percentage than other races, so there's less of an opportunity. This is of course a horrifying stat if true.
Homicide and CSI have to do their work, nevermind also deal with a volatile environment encompassing the deceased. Five hours does not seem unreasonable, but I am not well adversed in average times for a scene to be cleared.
Chiggs
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This is a terrible post.
That's important too. Often investigators will not work a scene if it's not secure. When police say that it's secure they move in and start the investigation process.
The only times I have heard of a body quickly being moved is when the crime scene has been contaminated. An evidence tech friend of mine says that they just take pics and ask officers to place the body in the paddy wagon because there is no point in collecting evidence thanks to people that contaminated the scene. In other words, a killer gets away.
Well they know who and what killed the teen. What is there left to investigate?
ReplacementPelican
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It's difficult when it comes to statistics though, isn't it? Because if we take the homicide rate then 93% of black victims were murdered by black criminals. Of course, what I've been led to believe is that this is mostly gang related.
It seems, from what I have seen in the media, that black people in the United States can be killed for rather trivial reasons, such as carrying a toy gun in Walmart, and people will try to justify it but this wouldn't be the case if it was a white man. Similarly I struggle to believe that a Police Officer who killed a 17 year old white kid would be put on paid administrative leave.
WaffleTaco
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My question was why he was shot, and why they were looting. I had seen the thread for a few days, but never read it. I read the OP's link, but it did not say why he was shot. I am not going to read 27 pages, when asking a question is a far easier and more time productive method. There is no reason for getting angry at me.
Thank you, this was the answer I was looking for. Both the shooting and the looting is inexcusable. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Velcro Fly
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is paid administrative leave a matter of policy in many places? i see it being thrown around quite a bit but I honestly have no idea.
They look at the totality of the scene, photograph everything, measure everything, log everything. It's not a two minute scene from television under investigation. Real Life CSI is slow, but methodical.
ShinRPGamer
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What was left to investigate with George Zimmerman? The cynic in me is saying that they will probably find something to acquit him.
It could be the terms of the police union
elrechazado
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Well that's why I said killed by police, because the stats are skewed by black on black crime, and the topic is about those killed by cop.
As to paid leave , police unions have enormous power. It's standard procedure in most situations to put the officer on paid leave while the shoot is reviewed, often by a grand jury. I think it's yet another example of the obscene power the cops have over the system.
Well I just read every last one of Valnen's posts in this thread (the person DreamDrop was responding to), and every last one was either about the rioters or had nothing to do with the boy who was shot....the reason this thread even exists.
I was under the impression that DreamDrop was calling attention to where Valnen's concerns lie.
That's not enough to convict someone.
You need evidence, you need witnesses, and then piece the crime scene back together. You need to create a case where there is no reasonable doubt that a person committed the crime. Otherwise you will simply have the story of one person vs one witnesses and both will contradict each other. That will create sufficient reasonable doubt to let anyone go.
The evidence tech friend of mine, he's now retired, tells me of multiple shootings where detectives knew the murderer but could not put them away. All because of people contaminating the scene either throwing stuff at cops, passing the red tape to attempt and learn what happened, or similar stuff. In court everything got tossed and the murderer goes free.
Oh man! I am so fucking sorry you could do the bare minimum effort to see what I've already said in this thread, but I'll gladly help you out snowflake! As I've said before, I don't support the looting or the riots, but people who don't understand why it's happening should be quiet in their ignorance. And! It's completely fucking ironic for people to be fussing about violence against innocents when a fucking unarmed teenager barely 18 years old, looking to better his life was gunned in the streets by the police. a a"what about the innocent people" argument is asinine. Black innocents have this happen to them all the fucking time! There are no less that three threads about this same shit right fucking now! We could have a hell if a lot more! A black person is killed by an authority figure once every 28 hours. Let me say that again. A black person is killed by an authority figure once every 28 hours. So excuse the fuck outta me if I find crowing for innocence people laughably disingenuous.
elrechazado
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Maybe so, it's a hard thread to keep up with. I read a pretty hostile response to an eminently reasonable point about the rioters. Agreeing that the riots are terrible and target innocents does not somehow equal a vindication of the original death.
Yeah ever since i saw that vid of a guy getting pulled over by cops ( from their very own dashboard cam) and being punched in the face repeatedly by the cop while the cop yells "stop going for my gun!!" even though the guy had his hands up the whole time. It's a bit hard for me to take cops word for anything.
http://7online.com/archive/9440401/
ReplacementPelican
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Okay, thank you for the information. I was unsure as to whether it was standard practice.
Which one??? I live very close to West County mall.
Edit- Found out it's the Galleria...
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